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TsunamiXXVIII
07/01/11 9:32:00 PM
#51:


swirIdude posted...
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Awesome. Now that Black/White's actually receiving votes again, I have greater justification for considering it a quality win that keeps RBY at the top of my ballot.

No, you don't. That was one of the several games that got votes this week for no adequately explored reason. 6 vote win over TF2 isn't worth anything.


Justification for. Means I was doing it anyway, to avoid having to face the fact that my preseason ballot was extremely screwed up.

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swirIdude
07/01/11 9:35:00 PM
#52:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
swirIdude posted...
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Awesome. Now that Black/White's actually receiving votes again, I have greater justification for considering it a quality win that keeps RBY at the top of my ballot.

No, you don't. That was one of the several games that got votes this week for no adequately explored reason. 6 vote win over TF2 isn't worth anything.

Justification for. Means I was doing it anyway, to avoid having to face the fact that my preseason ballot was extremely screwed up.


Doesn't admitting this mean you've already faced the fact?

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:36:00 PM
#53:


There's no shame in admitting your preseason top 25 was way off base! This is true for most everyone, I imagine!

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:37:00 PM
#54:


I mean, Umineko was 8 points away from being in the preseason top 25.

Umineko.

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th3l3fty
07/01/11 9:44:00 PM
#55:


I think the only stinker I gave any points in the preseason is Goldeneye

and that may just be a case of rotten luck!

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:45:00 PM
#56:


Well, based on the games it's lost to, it probably doesn't deserve the top 25, but it's probably better than the record indicates.

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red sox 777
07/01/11 9:45:00 PM
#57:


I don't remember my preseason 25 much, except that I had Chrono Trigger #1 and RBY way too low.

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:49:00 PM
#58:


Oh, and I suppose I should go ahead and ask since it's only two weeks away (Man, this contest is flying by. It felt like we just finished the first one!):

Suggestions for matches you'd like to see during Rivalry Week #2? It can be any sort of "perceived" rivalry, whether it's a contest rivalry, same-series rivalry, inter-company rivalry, whatever.

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red sox 777
07/01/11 9:50:00 PM
#59:


How about FFVII vs. FFX?

Chrono Trigger can face.......I'm scared about CT/SSBM. RBY is a good opponent too, but I'm thinking that can wait until later in the season.

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:51:00 PM
#60:


Pitting CT against other Mario games is a decent rivalry because CT has faced them almost all of them in contests before. CT/LTTP might also work.

And although it'd probably be a slaughter, something like CT vs. FFVI could work.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/01/11 9:54:00 PM
#61:


Melee now has a 6 vote lead and Castlevania now has a 1 vote lead.

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red sox 777
07/01/11 9:54:00 PM
#62:


CT/SSBM has been my dream contest match since.....maybe 2006. It's perfect: Nintendo vs. Square, Old vs. New, Night vs. Day, all at once. It's perhaps the strongest possible close Nintendo/Square match that isn't OOT/FFVII. But I'd be pretty scared of CT losing if it ever came to pass, because it would be very painful.

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:54:00 PM
#63:


No need for score updates! Leave those up to the host!

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LinkMarioSamus
07/01/11 9:57:00 PM
#64:


I can't help keeping track of score for no reason!

I think it's because of a KH2 > HL2 upset almost materializing completely out of left field.

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Orochimaru_Fan
07/01/11 9:57:00 PM
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From: swirIdude | #016
That was one of the several games that got votes this week for no adequately explored reason.


Good to hear from somebody else that my vote was as screwed up as I thought it was on reflection.
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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 9:58:00 PM
#66:


You can keep track of scores personally, but don't post them all over the topics! Whenever I want updates, I'll do them myself!

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LinkMarioSamus
07/01/11 10:00:00 PM
#67:


Well you asked earlier why I thought the two Mario games were losing pretty badly! I never expected either of them to ever have 5 or 6 vote deficits!

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 10:01:00 PM
#68:


No, I said "your definition of losing badly is strange." That doesn't mean "Talk about the scores and then post another update about it later in the topic!"

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paulg235
07/01/11 10:03:00 PM
#69:


If AC2 is still undefeated by RW2, I recommend putting it against one of the strongest games in the field.

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 10:03:00 PM
#70:


From: paulg235 | #069
If AC2 is still undefeated by RW2, I recommend putting it against one of the strongest games in the field.


Hey, this isn't "Let's be mean to games for no reason" Week!

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LinkMarioSamus
07/01/11 10:05:00 PM
#71:


Oh yeah and for the record Melee is against the one N64 game I'd vote for over it.

Sorry if that came entirely out of left field.

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swirIdude
07/01/11 10:06:00 PM
#72:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: paulg235 | #069
If AC2 is still undefeated by RW2, I recommend putting it against one of the strongest games in the field.
Hey, this isn't "Let's be mean to games for no reason" Week!


LeonhartFour posted...
And although it'd probably be a slaughter, something like CT vs. FFVI could work.

Hmm...

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 10:07:00 PM
#73:


Yeah, because there's not any sort of connection to be made between CT and FFVI! It's not like they were both well renowned SNES RPGs made by Square or anything!

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red sox 777
07/01/11 10:14:00 PM
#74:


Brawl can always beat Melee on this board it seems, but it loses to games Melee beats. I hope it's the same for the contest site-wide......and I really don't see MM beating Melee. I just.......don't see it after Melee beat WW 65-35.

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swirIdude
07/01/11 10:14:00 PM
#75:


But you said yourself you could give CT better competition! If you were to pick FFVI, that's being mean for no reason in my book!

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LeonhartFour
07/01/11 10:16:00 PM
#76:


Nah, CT/FFVI is a legit matchup. It just probably wouldn't go well for FFVI.

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TheKnightOfNee
07/01/11 10:25:00 PM
#77:


Looking at back at my pre-season top 25, it was a mistake to put MvC3 and SSF4 on there, thinking that modern fighting games would do really well.

Other than that, Bioshock, Mega Man X, Super Mario RPG, and Shadow of the Colossus are the only things I put on there not on the top 25 now, and none of those were that bad of choices.

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Haste_2
07/02/11 9:34:00 AM
#78:


So if Melee beats Mario 64, how many of us are willing to put it back in the top 5?

In that case I'd put both Melee and Mario 64 in the top ten, easily, but probably not the top five.... I'd reserve that for Chrono Trigger, RBY, RE4, Mario 3, and Link to the Psat, most likely (not necessarily that order).


If AC2 is still undefeated by RW2, I recommend putting it against one of the strongest games in the field.

Actually, I think it would be better to let it go undefeated for like 20 weeks facing weaklings. Then, people will start being convinced of its worthiness of being ranked! Then, in the next five weeks, pit it against five ranked games and watch it lose the next five matches. >:)

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LeonhartFour
07/02/11 6:10:00 PM
#79:


Yesterday's results:

Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (6-2) – 30 (68.18%)
Cave Story (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (2-6) – 14 (31.82%)
--DQ8 continues to do well with a strong showing against Cave Story.

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (2-6) – 20 (37.74%)
#18 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Nintendo Objections Conference) (6-2) – 33 (62.26%)
--PW1 gets an easy win over D/P/P.

Professor Layton and the Unwound Future (Brawl for Broke Conference) (3-5) – 31 (68.89%)
Dynasty Warriors 4 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-8) – 14 (31.11%)
--Layton ends a 5 game losing streak by beating up on DW4.

Diablo II (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (4-4) – 20 (39.22%)
#25 Final Fantasy VII (Fanservice Conference) (6-2) – 31 (60.78%)
--Diablo II went on a little run toward the end of the match to make the final result a bit more respectable, but FFVII whipped it pretty badly here.

Tales of Vesperia (Brawl for Broke Conference) (6-2) – 31 (62.00%)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Smash Trigger Conference) (3-5) – 19 (38.00%)
--And that's 5 wins in a row for Vesperia.

Sonic Adventure (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (3-5) – 23 (47.92%)
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (6-2) – 25 (52.08%)
--DMC3 holds on for a close win against Sonic Adventure after last week's embarrassing loss to MM9.

Street Fighter II (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (5-3) – 36 (67.92%)
MVP Baseball 2005 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-8) – 17 (32.08%)
--Fireballs > Fastballs

Burnout 3: Takedown (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-6) – 15 (30.00%)
#24 Mega Man 2 (Zelda Overload Conference) (8-0) – 35 (70.00%)
--Mega Man 2's first week in the top 25 goes well as it blows out Burnout.

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (2-6) – 17 (35.42%)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Fanservice Conference) (3-5) – 31 (64.58%)
--KOTOR follows up on last week's impressive performance against LTTP with a beatdown of Lufia II.

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Metroid Eater Conference) (4-4) – 28 (51.85%)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (6-2) – 26 (48.15%)
--All according to plan.

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (Nintendo Objections Conference) (7-1) – 38 (74.51%)
No More Heroes (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (2-6) – 13 (25.49%)
--Diddy knows what it takes to be a true hero. He collected all those Hero Coins, after all!

Tekken 3 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (1-7) – 15 (30.00%)
Earthbound (Games of the Decades Conference) (7-1) – 35 (70.00%)
--Earthbound has no problems beating Tekken 3.

Halo: Combat Evolved (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-6) – 17 (32.69%)
Skies of Arcadia (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (6-2) – 35 (67.31%)
--Skies of Arcadia gets back to its winning ways by doubling Halo.

#2 Super Mario 64 (Nintendo Objections Conference) (7-1) – 25 (43.86%)
#12 Super Smash Bros. Melee (Fanservice Conference) (6-2) – 32 (56.14%)
--Melee shakes things up around the top of the chain with a solid win over Mario 64.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/02/11 7:19:00 PM
#80:


Bring on the RPI!

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Lopen
07/02/11 8:41:00 PM
#81:


From: LeonhartFour | #079
Sonic Adventure (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (3-5) – 23 (47.92%)
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (6-2) – 25 (52.08%)
--DMC3 holds on for a close win against Sonic Adventure after last week's embarrassing loss to MM9.


Thank gawd. This should be a blowout stupid B8.

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swirIdude
07/02/11 8:41:00 PM
#82:


This Mario hate is so childish! Good thing you'll all get bored of it by the end of the season.

Oh, right, I'm away from my main computer and won't be back until Monday night. Looks like the RPI will be taking a short break.

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LeonhartFour
07/02/11 8:43:00 PM
#83:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #080
Time to start anti-voting Zelda games instead? LttP, OoT, and TP are all undefeated still.


The other three Zelda games already have multiple losses, and there are only 2 ranked Zelda games as opposed to 8 ranked Mario games.

But hey if people want to anti-vote Zelda, go for it.

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charmander6000
07/02/11 8:55:00 PM
#84:


I'm fine with people anti-voting Mario this early in the season. By the time the season ends the series will have fallen down to earth with only half their games remaining in the top 25.

Then comes the win.

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vcharon
07/02/11 11:39:00 PM
#85:


Yeah, not like SotN is just a better game or anything.

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Janus5000
07/02/11 11:46:00 PM
#86:


I'm all for anti-voting Zelda!

Except Wind Waker. It'd be hilarious if it ended up being the third-strongest Zelda.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/02/11 11:47:00 PM
#87:


Not to sound horribly impatient (which I basically am), where is the RPI?

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Janus5000
07/02/11 11:48:00 PM
#88:


Oh, right, I'm away from my main computer and won't be back until Monday night. Looks like the RPI will be taking a short break.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/02/11 11:53:00 PM
#89:


Stupid me did not see that, even though it has now appeared on the page twice.

Dear god.

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KCF0107
07/03/11 7:22:00 AM
#90:


Why doesn't everyone just vote for the game they like better in a match? Anti-voting is beneath all of us

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swirIdude
07/03/11 12:23:00 PM
#91:


What happened to the voters yesterday? All celebrating early?

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LeonhartFour
07/03/11 12:24:00 PM
#92:


This is what happens when you don't have an attractive headline event!

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/03/11 12:28:00 PM
#93:


Okay, here's a rather stupid idea for rivalry week--we pit the "black sheep" of the dominant franchises against each other: Final Fantasy VIII vs. Super Mario Sunshine.

Told you it was a stupid idea.

What else...well, we could always put in more same-franchise battles. Earthbound vs. Mother 3 might be a bit lopsided, and the same goes for Halo vs. Halo 2, but Super Metroid vs. Metroid Prime would be nice, Black/White vs. Gold/Silver/Crystal might be decent, and Kingdom Hearts vs. Kingdom Hearts II has the bonus of having had a high-profile contest match behind it. The fact that the original, which lost the match in question, has been much stronger so far in this contest makes it even more intriguing.

Also on the subject of "contest rivalries": Shadow of the Colossus vs. the Metal Gear Solid series. I think the best idea would be to recreate the most notable of those battles and pit it against MGS2, but really, any of the games would work. (Except for 4, which is in the same conference as SotC.) Meanwhile, MGS1 can take on MGS3 so we can see which MGS game is really the most beloved here.

As for what MGS4 would be doing during all of this...well, we could always send it against Sonic 3 & Knuckles. I'm sure that match would be at least somewhat more competitive than Snake's repeated beatings of Knuckles in the Character Battles. As for other Sonic things, SA2 definitely needs to face another Sonic game during rivalry week. I'd say go with SA1, because the other two namesakes of the "Sonic Overload" Conference have already faced it, and that way Colors can actually be fed a win against Sonic CD.

Last but certainly not least: Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Super Mario World. They've never really had a conclusive battle in the contest setting thanks to lol4ways and SFF, so they could really use this opportunity. I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to do with SMW2. Its contest history is brief and involves getting fed to Chrono Trigger right away and SFFed into oblivion in Round 2 by SM64, and Yoshi's own contest history, though rich, contains few truly memorable battles (not even his duel with Missingno. was very memorable.) I suppose we could always try matching it up against Symphony of the Night, third place in said fourway, to see what happens when the two meet up without SMW2 getting Mario SFF from SM64 and SNES SFF from CT, but...it's kind of a weak justification.

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LeonhartFour
07/03/11 12:32:00 PM
#94:


A lot of those really huge marquee rivalry matches will be saved for the Week 30 blowout Rivalry Week extravaganza!

I suppose we could do Mario World vs. Yoshi's Island, but that might fall under "mean for no reason."

But if Yoshi's Island actually beats FFX this week, then I'll have a reason!

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/03/11 12:34:00 PM
#95:


LeonhartFour posted...
Yeah, because there's not any sort of connection to be made between CT and FFVI! It's not like they were both well renowned SNES RPGs made by Square or anything!

So you can put CT against a fellow well-renowned Square SNES RPG, or you could have another Crono vs. Mario battle. Why not do both? Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

(On the subject of Mario RPGs, obviously we need the original Paper Mario to go up against Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.)

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VeryInsane
07/03/11 12:37:00 PM
#96:


I wouldn't mind seeing FFX vs. FF7, or FF7 vs. FF9 or Tactics.

If only 4 was in the contest. >_<

Melee vs. Brawl? PW1 vs. PW3? Twilight Princess vs. WindWaker?

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/03/11 12:41:00 PM
#97:


LeonhartFour posted...
A lot of those really huge marquee rivalry matches will be saved for the Week 30 blowout Rivalry Week extravaganza!

I suppose we could do Mario World vs. Yoshi's Island, but that might fall under "mean for no reason."

But if Yoshi's Island actually beats FFX this week, then I'll have a reason!


Ah. Okay, then, that makes sense. Yeah, a lot of those matches are more suited for the Week 30 extravaganza. I still like the SMW2 vs. SotN idea, though, and now that Symphony of the Night actually has a decent win, it no longer falls under the "mean for no reason" category to send it against yet another ranked game.

And I still think that the MGS4 vs. S3&K and FFVIII vs. SMS ideas were pretty funny, with the former actually being potentially a good match. Still, with MGS1 vs. MGS3 being more suited to Week 30, maybe it would be better to just pit MGS1 against MGS4 and MGS3 against MGS2 (because we already had 1 vs. 2 and 3 vs. 4 in Rivalry Week 1).

Also the SA1 vs. SA2. I'd save SA2 vs. Colors for Week 30.

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LeonhartFour
07/03/11 12:54:00 PM
#98:


Yesterday's results:

Jet Force Gemini (Smash Trigger Conference) (1-7) – 14 (41.18%)
Fallout 3 (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (6-2) – 20 (58.82%)
--Looks like we had some fallout in the vote totals today, yikes.

World of Warcraft (Fanservice Conference) (0-8) – 10 (25.64%)
Valkyria Chronicles (Brawl for Broke Conference) (4-4) – 29 (74.36%)
--Valkyria Chronicles has won four in a row after its 0-4 start to get up to .500.

Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (6-2) – 15 (38.46%)
Bioshock (Sonic Overload Conference) (7-1) – 24 (61.54%)
--In a battle between under the radar 1-loss games, Bioshock gets the easy win.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Brawl for Broke Conference) (4-4) – 25 (71.43%)
Twisted Metal 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-6) – 10 (28.57%)
--Brotherhood has no problem beating Twisted Metal.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (0-8) – 10 (26.32%)
GoldenEye 007 (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (2-6) – 28 (73.68%)
--GoldenEye finally gets away from Nintendo games, and surprise! It wins.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Sonic Overload Conference) (6-2) – 23 (58.97%)
Shadow of the Colossus (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (3-5) – 16 (41.03%)
--S3&K takes care of business against SOTC.

flower (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-7) – 8 (26.67%)
Grim Fandango (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (6-2) – 22 (73.33%)
--Grim vote totals, our flower is withering.

Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (6-2) – 21 (58.33%)
Super Street Fighter IV (Nintendo Objections Conference) (1-7) – 15 (41.67%)
--The low vote totals may have helped SSFIV keep it close here, but it wasn't enough to beat Persona 4 here.

Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal (Games of the Decades Conference) (6-2) – 27 (67.50%)
Elite Beat Agents (Nintendo Objections Conference) (1-7) – 13 (32.50%)
--G/S/C puts the beatdown on Elite Beat Agents.

Donkey Kong Country (Zelda Overload Conference) (5-3) – 29 (72.50%)
Max Payne (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-6) – 11 (27.50%)
--DKC1 brings the pain to Max Payne.

Pokemon Black/White (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (5-3) – 21 (51.22%)
Mega Man X (Fanservice Conference) (4-4) – 20 (48.78%)
--This was a hard-fought back and forth match, and B/W ends up on top in the end.

SoulCalibur II (Games of the Decades Conference) (7-1) – 29 (76.32%)
Wild ARMs (Fanservice Conference) (0-8) – 9 (23.68%)
--SC2 whips Wild ARMs into shape.

#5 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Metroid Eater Conference) (8-0) – 31 (77.50%)
WWF No Mercy (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-7) – 9 (22.50%)
--MGS3 CQCs No Mercy into submission.

Sonic Adventure 2 (Sonic Overload Conference) (7-1) – 23 (57.50%)
Contra (Games of the Decades Conference) (3-5) – 17 (42.50%)
--SA2 gets the win over Contra to improve to 7-1.

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"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."
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Janus5000
07/03/11 2:56:00 PM
#99:


Looks like Bioshock wants to get ranked.

Though looking at its next opponent, it probably wouldn't last.

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Maniac64
07/03/11 5:12:00 PM
#100:


Okay, here's a rather stupid idea for rivalry week--we pit the "black sheep" of the dominant franchises against each other: Final Fantasy VIII vs. Super Mario Sunshine.

I actually like this idea.

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