Board 8 > NCAA Games II: Week 8 Results and Discussion Topic

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LeonhartFour posted...
Batman would probably beat Bioshock, and it'd have a great shot at Portal, I think.

Admittedly, I always forget Nintendo when it comes to current-gen games, for some reason.

Also, Haste, I'm warning you: You are about to get put on my hit list.

So...this contest is suddenly going topsy-turvy?

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From: LinkMarioSamus | #199
Are you warning me or some user named "Haste"? I didn't see a user by that name post in the last two pages in this thread.

Then you don't have 50 posts per page.

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Batman would probably beat Bioshock, and it'd have a great shot at Portal, I think.

I dunno, Bioshock's got a stronger Cult base, and I've voted for all both in matches, and I would kindly take Bioshock over Batman.

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Maybe Bioshock is stronger, but Batman's resume looks a lot better to me.

Bioshock has ONE win over a game with a winning record, and that's Aria of Sorrow. Its lone loss was to Earthbound, which isn't a terrible loss, but it's not a great one either.

Batman has beaten DKC1 (which beat Earthbound, while we're at it), Fallout 3, and TTYD. Its lone loss was to MK64, which is probably about on the level to a loss to Earthbound, maybe a little better. Both were in Week 1, so it's excusable, I suppose.

Bioshock could win, certainly, but I'd favor Batman.

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Although really, this argument seems to be more about the strongest western game in this contest, not really the strongest current-gen game.

And don't sleep on Assassin's Creed II...!

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Is there anywhere I can go to see how this thing works? Does a loss by a big margin matter more than a small loss? Does a win over a popular game do more for you ranking than a win over an average game?

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From: Swarles_Barkley | #206
Does a loss by a big margin matter more than a small loss? Does a win over a popular game do more for you ranking than a win over an average game?

As far as the RPI is concerned, yes.

swirl can explain the RPI formula to you better than I can. That's his part.

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Okay, I'll mention some random things about Super Metroid's turdiness.

When I saw that MGS2 had won, for some reason I was thinking "SOUND THE ALARM!!!" Nothing to do with outright hating the result (I absolutely don't mind it, and to boot I take back all my badmouthing of Skies earlier, seriously!), it was just out of thematics. Even now when I think about that result, I hear alarms, sirens, and stealth bombers. Oh wait, the game's name is "Sons of Liberty", so...FOR AMERICA!!!

And then I read "Super Metroid falls through the Portal and Aperture Science rises...the door is wide open for the debut of BioShock" and started thinking of an ocean laboratory for whatever reason.

And these two songs constantly played through my head:





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I don't think margin of victory matters, just that you win. You however do get more points for defeating games with higher RPIs.

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Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest.

margin of victory does matter in RPI - in fact, by the end of the contest, it's probably the most important part

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I guess swirl uses a different formula than basketball NCAA.

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Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest.

RPI formula is:

(((2/3*Win% + 2/3*Vote% + 1/2*OWin% + 1/2*OVote% + 1/3*OOWin% + 1/3*OOVote%) / 2) - 0.5) * 2

OOWin% is opponent's opponent's Win%, same thing for OOVote%

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Perhaps we should feature SMB3 and OoT every week. Even when they're not playing.

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So the undefeated games are now...

Chrono Trigger
Fire Emblem: Path Of Radiance
Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Mega Man 2
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Resident Evil 4
Paper Mario
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow

Right?

"What a group"

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Well now we know what KCF's Top 10 is!

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Wait, Assassin's Creed II lost?

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Three undefeateds down in one day.

Victory.

also Path of Radiance top 10 game right there

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KCF0107 posted...
Wait, Assassin's Creed II lost?

Yep, 28-23 by my count.

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From: KCF0107 | #216
Wait, Assassin's Creed II lost?

And to your favorite game, too!

Good day.

Everyone go give FFVIII a 10/10 in Rate the Game to celebrate!

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PoR, luckiest game in the tournament so far?

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Assassin's Creed II lost to FFVIII. Totally not a surprise to me.

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charmander6000 posted...
PoR, luckiest game in the tournament so far?

*Looks at the game it's facing next week*

Won't be for much longer!

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VeryInsane posted...
charmander6000 posted...
PoR, luckiest game in the tournament so far?

*Looks at the game it's facing next week*

Won't be for much longer!

What do you mean? It'll have the Mario anti-vote on its side!

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Looks like AC5 picked up its second win, 9-8.

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Man, you people and spoiling results before they're posted

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Yesterday's results:

#14 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (Fanservice Conference) (8-0) – 35 (63.64%)
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (Nintendo Objections Conference) (4-4) – 20 (36.36%)
--PW1 and T&T both faced Pokemon games with near identical results this week, but T&T does a little bit better!

Final Fantasy VIII (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-3) – 28 (56.00%)
Assassin's Creed II (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (7-1) – 22 (44.00%)
--Squall knows a thing or two about assassination missions, and so he was able to foil AC2's plot to stay undefeated.

Killer7 (Metroid Eater Conference) (2-6) – 26 (52.00%)
Mortal Kombat II (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (1-7) – 24 (48.00%)
--MK2 made a late charge, but it fell short of getting the win.

#8 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Zelda Overload Conference) (8-0) – 40 (76.92%)
Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (3-5) – 12 (23.08%)
--LTTP rocks DQ5 to remain one of the few undefeated games left.

Suikoden II (Nintendo Objections Conference) (6-2) – 23 (43.40%)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (8-0) – 30 (56.60%)
--Twilight Princess weathered the early rush from Suikoden II and eventually took control of this match as it went on.

Devil May Cry (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (1-7) – 13 (24.07%)
#1 Chrono Trigger (Smash Trigger Conference) (8-0) – 41 (75.93%)
--CT's stranglehold on #1 looks stronger than ever after its closest competition struggled mightily this week.

#17 Final Fantasy X (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (7-1) – 28 (50.91%)
#15 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-1) – 27 (49.09%)
--Yoshi's Island looked like it was going to take this one, but a glorious 5-0 run to end the match gave FFX the win. FFX wasn't just playing to do its best. Its goal was victory!

Viewtiful Joe (Brawl for Broke Conference) (3-5) – 18 (33.96%)
#22 Final Fantasy VI (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (6-2) – 35 (66.04%)
--FFVI takes care of business against Viewtiful Joe.

Starcraft (Fanservice Conference) (5-3) – 24 (43.64%)
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (5-3) – 31 (56.36%)
--Persona 3 was never able to build a big lead, but it kept Starcraft at a safe distance most of the way.

Xenogears (Brawl for Broke Conference) (5-3) – 33 (66.00%)
Crash Team Racing (Zelda Overload Conference) (1-7) – 17 (34.00%)
--Xenogears has no problems taking out CTR.

Mother 3 (Sonic Overload Conference) (6-2) – 27 (61.36%)
Dark Cloud 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-4) – 17 (38.64%)
--Mother 3 wins a low scoring duel against Dark Cloud 2.

Gears of War (Sonic Overload Conference) (0-8) – 22 (48.89%)
Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (2-6) – 23 (51.11%) (OT, 9-8)
--Gears of War looked to be on the brink of its first win, but those cruel OT voters decided to deny it.

Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (Smash Trigger Conference) (0-8) – 11 (24.44%)
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (2-6) – 34 (75.56%)
--R&C is able to "crack" this "puzzle" and "turbo" boosts its way to victory.

#6 Super Mario Bros. 3 (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (7-1) – 30 (52.63%)
#4 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (7-1) – 27 (47.37%)
--Mario 3 got off to a hot start, but Ocarina of Time came back to make a match of it. Mario 3 got the votes it needed down the stretch to hand OoT its first loss.

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Good to see Yoshi's Island and OoT suffer their first losses.

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RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3)
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 (5)
5. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (4)
6. Resident Evil 4 (7)
7. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (6)
8. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (8)
9. Super Mario 64 (9)
10. Super Mario Galaxy (10)
11. Paper Mario (12)
12. Metal Gear Solid (13)
13. Super Metroid (16)
14. Portal (14)
15. Final Fantasy IX (19)
16. Final Fantasy X (25)
17. Mega Man 2 (18)
18. Final Fantasy VI (21)
19. Batman: Arkham Asylum (20)
20. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (26)
21. Metroid Prime (22)
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (11)
23. Super Smash Bros. Melee (24)
24. Super Mario World (23)
25. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (15)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (27)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (28)
Bioshock (30)
Final Fantasy Tactics (29)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (32)

Lots of falling and lots of rising. And Brawl is back in.

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Lol Assassin's Creed II.

And lol Gears of War. Now I can't pull off my silly joke!

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Ranking it because it finally won (or looked like it would)? I thought of doing the same when that match was still going.

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Gears was winning by three votes last time I checked, too, but I guess I'll post the "joke" anyway even though I (sort of) already did AND it isn't fully true:

Games that lose their matches this week:

Super Mario 64
Ocarina of Time
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy X (lol this didn't come true either, entirely because of me!)
Brawl

Games that win their matches this week:

Professor Layton and the Unwound Future
Civilization IV
Worms Armaggedon
Knights of the Old Republic
Gears of War

Oops.

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That's not a joke.

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VeryInsane posted...
So the undefeated games are now...

Chrono Trigger
Fire Emblem: Path Of Radiance
Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Mega Man 2
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Resident Evil 4
Paper Mario
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow

Right?

"What a group"

Of this group:

-Chrono Trigger has looked really strong of course.
-Path of Radiance struggled to defeat Shadow of the Colossus in week 3, and has generally drawn week competition. It too could turn out to be a fraud, and quite frankly, with all the anti-Nintendo sentiment, I honestly think Shadow of the Colossus could turn that result around now.
-A Link to the Past struggled to break 55% on Knights of the Old Republic last week.
-Twilight Princess struggled against Kingdom Hearts II and Link's Awakening, and has otherwise drawn extremely weak competition. We now know that 70% on Star Ocean 2 doesn't mean a whole lot, for instance. I'm quite frankly amazed that it managed to pull off that huge comeback against Suikoden II, though, and TP > OoT in the stats is a delight.
-Mega Man 2...I have nothing to say. I don't think it has faced any particularly strong competition yet.
-Metal Gear Solid 3 hasn't faced any particularly tough competition but has made up for it with hilarious blowouts.
-Same with Resident Evil 4, really. I'd give it the slight edge over Snake Eater.
-Paper Mario struggled to break 55% on a Grand Theft Auto game, which is effectively the same thing as losing.
-Trials and Tribulations had that close-fought victory against Pokemon GSC a while back and I can't remember if it has faced any particularly tough opponents otherwise. I have a feeling that it will lose next week somehow.
-Pokemon RBY of course narrowly stayed undefeated this week thanks to overtime.

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From: LinkMarioSamus | #233
-Paper Mario struggled to break 55% on a Grand Theft Auto game, which is effectively the same thing as losing.

Shut up.

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Yes sir.

And while I know I said it in another topic, but I wish I had "Leon" in my username now.

On a side note, is it ironic that I beat both Chrono Trigger and Resident Evil 4 for the first time while this very contest was going on?

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Aww poor Yoshi's Island. Oh well, at least it had a good run.

Now please don't put it against SMW for rivalry week.

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From: YoboD | #236
Now please don't put it against SMW for rivalry week.

Consider yourself fortunate it didn't win yesterday...!

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LinkMarioSamus posted...
On a side note, is it ironic that I beat both Chrono Trigger and Resident Evil 4 for the first time while this very contest was going on?
That's nothing. This contest (somehow) got me interested in the Ace Combat series; I just bought this anime flight sim game by Project Aces a couple of days ago. Also, I only finished Chrono Trigger (the DS one) for the first time last month, so you're not alone there either lol.

I also found both games to be god-tier, no less. And...hey, they're undefeated in this contest! I honestly think they're the two strongest games at the moment.

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That's not.... that's not ironic or coincidental or absolutely anything. You beat 2 of the most acclaimed games in history during a popularity contest that's been going on for 8 weeks now. You can beat each of them in under a day easily if you try.

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Another question to ask: how the heck is StarCraft so weak here despite it being currently #1 in "Rate the Game"? And no, "this is different" is not good enough an answer, and if I hear that it's because people are anti-voting Blizzard, I'm going to...yeah.

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From: LinkMarioSamus | #241
And no, "this is different" is not good enough an answer

Actually, it is.

I'm not sure what other answer you need.

Obviously, the people voting for it in Rate the Game aren't voting in this contest.

Or not enough of them are.

Or just because they gave it a high ranking doesn't mean they'll vote it over anything.

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Rate the Game tends to suffer from biased samples moreso than contests like this

besides, that's hardly a reliable source - the last iteration of Rate the Game had Tetris Attack at #1

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Surely the anti-Blizzard sentiment doesn't extend to StarCraft, though?

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What anti-Blizzard sentiment?

The only Blizzard game Board 8 outright hates is World of Warcraft.

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Well I suppose StarCraft might suffer from a low playrate due to being an old PC exclusive.

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Starcraft is probably one of the highest played non-Nintendo games on the board.

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Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest.

As the current host of Rate the Game, don't put too much stock into the results from there translating to contests set up like this. That is based on a number system where all the other games are irrelevant while this is set up as an either/or, one-on-one matchup. I mean, Assassin's Creed II lost to FFVIII. FFVIII is starting to trend towards being in the Bottom 15 in Rate the Game but if and when I do Assassin's Creed II, I would imagine it would be a threat to enter the Top 15

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Low scores mean a heck of a lot more than high scores in Rate the Game anyway.

Judging from that topic, FFVIII has more people who like it than don't, but those low scores are going to drag it down. Some games getting high scores means that a whole lot of people haven't played them (Half the games in the top 10 have 25 votes or less) or they just don't have many haters (or the haters didn't vote, for whatever the reason).

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Perhaps I'll do a playthrough topic of FF8 soon.

Only FF game I haven't finished other then 12 and 3! (And 13 but I don't own it yet) >_>

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