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From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #344
lol I played the Survivor PC game last night

got 6th place :|

I wish I had kept it

For all of its flaws, it's still Survivor and the challenges were fun

I always thought it was hilarious that you could skip the camp/alliance building periods with no penalty whatsoever

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the challenges are repetitive, stupid, and range from easy as hell to impossible. lol

But then I still like the game solely because it's Survivor.

They need to make a better one.

And actually, someone should run a Board Survivor soon, that'd be cool.

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I think I still have it back at my parents' house somewhere. And since I'm going back home for Memorial Day... I'm totally playing it. All I remember is that the graphics were awful, camp life was pretty funny and pointless, and it's hard to win. I don't really remember anything about making alliances or things like that. Oh! I also remember some challenge where you float down a river and shoot things. I think I was really bad at that.

Now I can't wait to play it

All the shooting challenges are so impossible for me >_>

and yeah, the social interaction is hilarious.

"I can't believe what Rodger gets away with."
"Yeah."
"Who do you think is the weakest?"
"Rodger."
"Rodger?"
"Definitely."
"I hope you don't really believe that."

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I remember the first time I ever played it I completely failed at the initial immunity challenge and thought I was going to be voted off first for sure, but got spared somehow

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/569265-survivor-ultimate-edition

Has anybody ever played this one? Supposedly it's better than the first, but still not all that great

And I'd totally sign up for B8 survivor

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I never played that one, I always wanted it back in the day.

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I hosted a PotD Survivor last Spring.

DarkFalconX participated in it and came in 2nd! He got Stephen'd 7-0 in the final vote. His tribe also went into the merge down 3-7.

fun stuff

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board 8 survivor was better imo imo

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Yeah that was fun. The turnaround that my allies and I orchestrated was an absolute blast especially since we did it without an hidden immunity idol. In the end, I just ran into a player that everyone liked and on top of that I kind of screwed up at the final tribal. If I would have won the final immunity challenge, the ending could have been different. Still, it is kind of crazy that that game ended up being very similar to how Tocantins ended.

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Andrea live on the radio:

http://alldigitalradio.com/?q=node/2911&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Big rumor that Coach is returning next season. Other rumors are that either Ozzy or Phillip will be the other returnee.

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If Coach and Phillip come back next season, is there going to be any camera time left for anyone else?

/sarcasm

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It seems like every season there is always a narrator (sometimes 1 for each tribe) who basically states the obvious, without ever having much of anything interesting to say.

Would you agree or disagree that these have been the narrators in each season:

22: Mike
21: Alina
20: Amanda
19: Mick
18: Brendan
17: Marcus (Kota)
17: Matty (Fang)
16: Amanda (Favorites)
16: Alexis (Fans)
15: Amanda

I don't feel like going further back. But it seems to be something more recently where they assign one boring tribe member all the "state the obvious" comments.


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For the most part, yeah. Narrators occasionally switch between episodes as well.

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Went out today and sold a bunch of 360/DS games I never play, and with that bought a Wii, Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, a GC memory card, and a new controller!

time to play wind waker :3

also i saw the boats at the beginning island of WW and they reminded me of the boats in micronesia (where JFP gets his head bashed by Yau)

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Nice! You must have had a lot of games to rack up that kind of money. Or maybe you just sold them somewhere that doesn't cheat you (i.e. not GameStop).

Have you played Twilight Princess and Wind Waker before? I love them, especially Wind Waker.


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I've played Wind Waker before, but it was at least 5 years ago. I really liked it.

I also just got Farore's Pearl.

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And I've never played Twilight Princess. Don't know much about it.

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Even bigger rumors that Ozzy and Coach return now...

I'd be okay with that, since Ozzy ain't that bad. And Coach... could be worse.

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Ozzy is really bad actually.

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I won't have to worry about him winning the game though, because there's a strong likelihood that he'll get blindsided along the way - and it'll be glorious.

Though Ozzy is definitely not on my list of Survivor's I'd like to see back. But he's better than a majority of the top names I've seen being thrown around.

Also, Probst finally posted on Sucks for the first time ever. It's stickied on the main forum. He responded to a long-winded fan letter to the editors about why RI sucks, F3's suck, and Jeff and the producers aren't giving the fans the light of day they demand.

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For those of you that want to read the letter/Probst's response without having to venture to Sucks or sift through the topic (though it isn't that hard to navigate), I'm gonna repost it all here.


The letter to the editors:

"This note will be long and will no doubt only be read by those who already agree with its contents (the myth that Jeff Probst actually cares about, let alone reads what we have to say, is just that--a myth), but as someone who has been faithful to the Survivor brand for 11 years now, I just feel I have to speak out.

Judging from the preview for Survivor: South Pacific--a generic name selected to mask the fact that this season (and season 24) will be the third and fourth of the last six to be filmed in Samoa--CBS, Jeff Probst and the producers of Survivor are so out of touch with what fans want out of this show that I have to assume that they are deliberately trying to kill it off. That's the only logical conclusion, because the evidence that fans find the show to be in complete shambles is right in front of them in a multitude of places but no effort is being made to fix what was once the gold standard of reality TV. Survivor has strayed so far from its roots that it's entirely unrecognizable from the phenomenon that transfixed us for a decade.

Survivor 22 was one of, if not the single least popular and least enjoyable installments in the history of the show for me and many other fans, but not only are the producers not trying to fix the many, many problems that exist with the show, next season is basically just repeating this past one (16 new + 2 old contestants, Redemption Island) in an old location. At the reunion every year, Jeff comments that they continue doing the show because of the fans...so why are we constantly ignored? It's not like this is just a passionate minority of fans at SurvivorSucks.com or something. At CBS.com, EW.com, Jeff's blog, Twitter and countless other sites--the reaction to this season has been intensely negative. All of these form into what is essentially a free, worldwide focus group; something you would think the producers would kill for. Instead, they operate under the mentality of, "We're right; the thousands of fans that speak up are wrong."

The Redemption Island format is one of the most controversial and game-changing elements ever brought into the show. Before this season began, Jeff told fans to give it a chance--we would love it after six episodes, he promised. In an early blog he stated that, as much as he personally loved Redemption Island, it was ultimately in fans' hands to determine whether or not it would be repeated in future seasons. It quickly became apparent that fans were not responding to it as Jeff had hoped--in fact, we flat-out hated Redemption Island. Jeff acknowledged this--barely--by conceding that some fans were "on the fence" about Redemption Island.

Of course, nobody was on the fence; barely anyone saw any value to it at all: Redemption Island robbed us of the drama of the finality of Tribal Council. It waters down the impact of blindsides (not that there were many to speak of this past season). It deprived us of separate reward challenges, which is particularly an issue post-merge, especially in this season where we really needed some people to get out of camp and have an opportunity to strategize, because the dynamics of the game literally never shifted from week 2. The uselessness of Redemption Island was only affirmed by how it played out on the show--both of the players who came back from Redemption Island were immediately voted out. It did not change strategy or drive drama one bit.

This is not even a case of a semi-decent idea being poorly implemented (such as the too-powerful idols held by Terry and Yul in Panama and Cook Islands respectively), but an awful concept that went against everything the show was about, and was handled in an incredibly stupid way (you don't even have to win multi-person duels to stay alive?). Yet the preview for next season didn't acknowledge any of this; instead, the producers facetiously tooted their own horns and had the audacity to pretend that Redemption Island was a successful evolution to the game of Survivor. This isn't just patently ignoring fans' requests to remove this horrifically bad format; it rubs Redemption Island's maddening failure in our faces with a blatant lie that amounts to, "Yeah, we really don't care what you think."

The preview for next season continued by announcing that two past contestants will be joining the new players once again. Bringing back returning players every once in a while can be fun. The occasional All-Star season is exciting and, in moderation, can hype fans up to a major degree. But bringing back people all the time and sprinkling them in with new contestants takes away the thrill of seeing past players come back and play against each other. It's also an insult to the new contestants, who are basically told from day one, "Even though we're the ones that cast you, we don't think you're exciting enough to drive the season, so let's bring in a couple of ringers to provide the entertainment."

The fact is, the Rob and Russell return was a large factor in why this season was such a letdown. People say that without Rob, this season would have been a total dud. But it was his presence that caused Ometepe to be a bunch of zombies who refused to have minds of their own. It was Russell's presence that caused Zapatera to divide so quickly and never be able to recover to serve as adequate competition. Bringing back Rob for a fourth stint and Russell for a third time in four seasons was far too much. Both promised they would never play again...I give it two years, tops, before we see at least one of them back, if not both.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the so-called "Russell factor" of not-so-hidden immunity idols? After the back-to-back fiasco of a whopping ten idols being found and/or played in Samoa and Heroes vs. Villains, Jeff said it was important that they change things up and make idols more difficult to find. He credited Russell with outsmarting the producers by tracking down multiple idols without clues. In Nicaragua, the players had to solve a complex visual puzzle to uncover the idol. This season, when Russell returned, idols were once again in plain sight. Two of season 22's three idols were discovered without clues; one on the very first day and the other was stumbled upon accidentally. It's a wonder the producers didn't just take it out of Ralph's hands and say, "Sorry, that one was intended for Russell. Yoink."

Anyway, one of the recurring comments this season from fans on Jeff's blog has been that mixing new and returning players is a bad idea. Even Parvati, the winner of "Fans vs. Favorites," has admitted that when newbies play against veterans, they are too star struck to think straight. Boston Rob may finally have the title, but is it really that much of an accomplishment considering how complacent the bulk of his competition was? There were literally no roadblocks in the way of his million-dollar quests besides the early and easily ejected Francesca and Kristina (thanks for ignoring them, along with Krista, Stephanie, Sarita and Steve, at the reunion by the way--we really hadn't had enough of Rob, Russell, Matt and Phillip all season long). Redemption Island was a dud that made no impact. The tribes were never shuffled to create new dynamics. Rob's cult followers never even had the opportunity to leave his sight by going on rewards that would take them out of camp and potentially reveal the pecking order and create new strategies.

Now this gimmick of mixing new players with predictable old blood--and it cannot be classified as anything but a gimmick--is being repeated for seemingly no reason whatsoever. The Rob/Russell rematch was apparently devised because the two challenged each other at the Heroes vs. Villains reunion--which is a stupid idea to build part of a season around, but Jeff wanted it to happen, so it happened. Now what? Are we going to see a kook-off between Coach and Phillip? We want new people and new stories. We don't need to see regurgitated characters getting a second...or third...or fourth (really?) chance to win the money and suck up airtime.

The star of Survivor has always been the game. Obviously, personalities and characters emerge, but the main appeal of the show was (alas, I cannot say "is") the concept itself. Yet the producers and CBS no longer seem to have any faith in that deliciously simple concept, now resorting to ideas that completely change the fabric of the show (remember when fire represented life?) and lazily opting to pull out the same old retreads over and over in the hopes that it will attract viewers. The fact that nearly every episode of season 22 pulled in a new record-low rating each week is proof that that is the opposite of true.

Here's the thing: this past season, for the first time, Survivor faced off against American Idol, the #1 show in the country, on a weekly basis. Obviously that's the main catalyst behind the dwindling ratings. But when they cater the season to the casual audience and flat-out ignore the hardcore fans (who they know will be watching anyway), what you're going to end up with is that those hardcore fans are going to tune in, be absolutely irritated by the direction the show is headed in and then head to the blogs and Twitter to voice their complaints. It creates an environment of jaded fans sharing their disgust, futilely wondering when--or if--they'll ever be heard. Meanwhile, the rest of the audience, the viewers that producers actually tried to attract, is watching American Idol and doesn't really care that Boston Rob and Russell are back, or that there's some major game modification like Redemption Island.

And for years, perhaps the biggest issue that fans have had with the show was the incorporation of the final three contestants facing the jury rather than the final two. This has remained overwhelmingly unpopular, as an incredible majority of fans feel the final two makes for a much more dramatic and enjoyable (and sensible) finish. For some inane, unexplainable reason, the show has continued to conclude with a final three, and now more than a third of the seasons have ended with this awful, universally hated format. I don't think Jeff and the producers understand how much goodwill they would earn from fans if the show brought back the final two. I could post an even longer rant purely just about how frustrating and unsatisfying the final three is, but all I'll say for right now is that it truly is a slap in the face to fans that this huge mistake has not been rectified.

On a smaller scale, one of the complaints lobbied at recent seasons is the lack of water challenges, which Jeff has explained is because the waters in both Samoa and Nicaragua were far too dangerous to shoot in. Okay, that makes sense. So why on earth are they returning to Samoa for another year of puzzle challenges and a goofy-looking pool that will be used maybe twice?

The funny thing is, Jeff Probst actually agrees with us. He used to really be a stickler for the integrity of Survivor, long refusing to even consider a celebrity edition (now, of course, he's obsessed with the idea) and speaking out against the stunts he regretted the show attempting. Witness these comments he made back in 2005:
"I hated the Outcasts. I felt it went against everything we say the show is about — that if you are voted out, you are out of the game."
"Much like the Outcasts, I would hope we never do All-Stars again, because Survivor is a game about strangers living together. Once they have had that experience and have spent time together socially, it's a completely different game. It's stunt casting."
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20354695_1024612,00.html

But now Jeff seems to actively be trying to turn Survivor into the kind of garbage that gives reality television such a bad reputation. He's all about stunt casting. His pet twist is a replica of the Outcasts (albeit in a much more boring and time-consuming fashion). And to give an idea of just how out of touch he is and how little he cares about the show's integrity nowadays: at this past season's reunion, he did everything but get down on his knees and beg for Russell Hantz to play again. Mind you, not only is Russell Hantz an incredibly polarizing player whose presence in three seasons in less than two years has alienated countless fans, he also spoiled his original two seasons to an unprecedented degree. If the people who create this show had any self-respect, Hantz would be persona non grata. Instead, they're rolling out the red carpet in a desperate attempt to convince a one-note character who has played the same predictable way every single time that it's absolutely vital that he return to the show.

Now, the host of our favorite show has become our greatest enemy in the battle to make Survivor good again. Jeff seems to have a few stock answers in place for the rare occasions where he actually responds to (let alone acknowledges) fan criticism. There's the always-charming middle school retort of "Get over it!" There's the enormously condescending, "If we got rid of [unpopular twist/player], you'd miss it!" And of course, who could forget the classic, "If you don't like [unpopular twist/player], you're not a true Survivor fan"? I don't know which of these Jeff would levy at me if he reads this, but just to be prepared for anything:
"No, you get over it! Stop ruining the show!"
"The audience is smart enough to know what we like and dislike, more so than you do."
"A true Survivor fan is not going to blindly accept whatever gimmicks you choose to throw into the game and show. On the contrary, true fans are passionate enough to speak up when we don't like what's happening to our favorite show."
That should cover me.

The producers are relying on the idea that hardcore fans will watch the show no matter what...and sadly, they are exactly right. I've stuck with this show out of loyalty and the hopes that we'll have another great season like Borneo, Marquesas, Amazon, etc. But honestly, at this point I would settle for a Thailand or Gabon. Ultimately, I know that by continuing to watch, I'm part of the problem. But having been there since the third episode of the first season, I feel like I've been on this ship too long to jump off now. It's quickly sinking anyway; there won't be too many more seasons at this rate. Besides, it's way beyond the point of going out with dignity and leaving the audience wanting more, although I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong with a back-to-basics season that actually makes me enthusiastic about Survivor again.

Thanks for 21 mostly enjoyable seasons, Jeff. It was a fun ride before you decided the fans didn't matter.

Sincerely,
A (former?) fan "

From Probst:

"Well, this is quite a moment for me. I’m finally joining the conversation. After years of Survivor Sucks abuse I’m entering the fray with a smile on my face and the slightest touch of optimism that this may answer some of your questions about whether or not I still care about Survivor.

I got a google alert about an “Open Letter To Jeff Probst” so I clicked on it and then realized that I could respond with my twitter account and just like here I am... joining your conversation.

The truth is I actually enjoy criticism of the show and I welcome suggestions on how to improve the show and a lot of you are very good writers. But this site reached a point where it was so negative, so sarcastic and so cynical that it was hard to separate the worthy criticism from the full-on haters.

Don't misunderstand. I like opinions and I love different points of view. That's what it's all about. But I have read stuff on here that is so dark and twisted it does make me wonder why so many of you take the time to post when it seems like you really don’t even like the show. I'm hoping it’s because you actually do care about the show and you’re just very vocal. If not, then I would guess that you're house bound and really have nothing else to do. If that's the case that truly is a bummer and wish for you a speedy recovery.

REDEMPTION ISLAND
Okay onto the letter – you don’t like Redemption Island. I get it. Fair enough. I’m not saying it’s the end all be all either. I think it’s a twist worth exploring and that’s what we’re doing. When you’ve been on the air for 11 years and 22 seasons you have to try new things. It’s the invoice for being successful for this long. You have to give the audience "The same thing only different." You can make fun of that line but if you want to know how storytelling on a successful show works, it can be summed up with that line. "The same thing... only different."

I realize there are pros and cons to Redemption Island. No need debating the list. I don't disagree with any of the cons you mentioned and I've never said that any of the pros are earth shattering. It's just a twist. We tried it in S22, we’re trying it again in S23 and we may try it again in S24. We may do it for the rest of the series and we may never do it again. The show is an on going experiment. It ebbs and flows.

What I do take exception to is the rant about me and the rest of the Survivor team not caring about the opinions of our fans. That’s just silliness. We listen to feedback all the time. We solicit it and it comes to us. CBS does focus groups, I get people stopping me on the street. It’s constant. It’s endless.

Maybe you don’t feel we listen to YOU specifically, but generally speaking we listen. The job of a producer is to listen to the criticism, both good and bad, and then decide what they think is best for their show. For example, if I listened to every person who said Russell should never be on the show again, we would not have asked him back for Survivor: Redemption Island. Yet, one of the highest rated and most talked about episodes in our history was the night Russell finally left the game…for good.

You have to use your judgment as to what will be the most entertaining. We think Redemption Island is worth another shot.

I get that you may not agree.

Moving on.

FINAL 2 vs FINAL 3

As for the final 2 vs final 3 debate. Look, it’s opinion about which is better. Not fact. A final 2 offers some great drama but also makes it so easy for the winner of the last immunity challenge to simply pick the person he/she knows they can beat in the end. I’ve heard many people complain about seasons in which we did a final 2 that the final vote was a blow out because “Nobody was gonna vote for… (fill in the blank).”

I'm not saying Final 2 is wrong, but that doesn't mean it's right. We may go back to a final 2 at some point and try it again. Nothing is locked in stone.

LOCATIONS

You guys complain that we’re going back to the same places over and over. Have you looked at a world map lately? Between political unrest and dangerous weather, finding suitable spots to shoot Survivor is not an easy task.

We have a crew of over 300 people who have to be housed and fed. We need several isolated beaches. We need a government that will work with us. We need to know our crew is safe from unrest and weather. We have to be able to take over the island for 5-6 months. We have to be able to afford accommodations and shipping. The dollar is falling. Budgets are shrinking. This is a business, not a travel agency.

So yes we will be repeating locations. It’s yet another “good problem to have” and an unavoidable truth that comes with being on the air for 12 years.

PROBST NEVER READS OR RESPONDS TO ANYTHING

This is where you guys are the toughest. It’s okay, I can handle the complaints, but just for the record - let’s review my contributions to the Survivor conversation.

For years I wrote a blog for EW.com. Damn thing took hours to write. Hours. I didn’t get paid a penny, nor was I contractually obligated. I did it because I wanted to keep the Survivor conversation going.

Every week people would complain that I was:
a. “trying to be too clever”
b. “not clever enough”
c. “telling us things we already know”
d. “not telling us enough things.”
e. all of the above

I finally decided to create my own website, “JeffProbst.com” so that I could bring you some Survivor behind-the-scenes features and people immediately complained that I didn’t respond to enough questions, or post enough material.

Let me tell you the truth - the site cost $20,000 to build plus monthly maintenance. I paid for it. I post the blogs myself. My little fingers typing in the keys. It’s usually late at night after a long day.

There is no staff. No big room full of paid employees. I do it from my house to keep the Survivor conversation going.

I make the videos and I post them as well. Myself. And because they take hours to upload to Youtube, I even woke up early on Thursday mornings to post them to my site. Myself. You think Ryan Seacrest is doing that for AI fans?

Then, in an effort to be more interactive and personal, I tried video blogging. It cracked me up that people even complained about that - saying that they couldn’t watch the video at work and would I please write a blog as well.

This season, I started to tweet live during the show. (Yes, I stole the idea from Howard Stern.) I had to beg CBS to offer some support because nobody thought there was any value in tweeting live. I started tweeting and within a few weeks lots of people on lots of different shows were tweeting. CBS even did a "tweet week."

I dedicated every Wednesday evening for the entire season so I could tweet live for both costs and people would still complain:

a. your tweets are spoiling the show please stop
b. your tweeting some of the same stuff you did during the east coast feed
c. your tweets are boring
d. why aren’t you responding to my tweets? I thought this was interactive?

Fortunately, it’s as funny as it is annoying. But ya gotta give me a little credit, don't you? I've do my part. I can't respond to every comment or every tweet. I do have other things I want to do in life besides Survivor. It's called balance.

AND FINALLY… IN CONCLUSION… TO SUMMARIZE

Here’s my wrap up.

I think there are some good writers on this site.
I think there are some total ass's on this site.
I think some of the good writers are also the ass's.
I think some of the good writers are probably pretty decent people.
I think there are some valid criticisms made on this site.
I think there are some ridiculously absurd criticisms made on this site.
I think there are some very funny posts and funny animations on this site.

I am confused as to the purpose of this site. It still eludes me why anyone who appears to hate Survivor as much as some of you do, would dedicate the hours it takes to post a response.

I am glad the site exits because it does make me smile to know you guys are still engaged enough to talk about the show.

I am glad my cherry has finally been broken and I am no longer a Survivor Sucks virgin. This day was long overdue.

Yes, this is me. I’m sure many of you will doubt it’s me and others will race to post pretending to be me.

I can assure you it’s me because I know how the clues for the hidden immunity idol will work next season and no matter how many spoilers you may think you have, you don’t know that answer. At least not yet.

I do not anticipate responding again anytime soon – it doesn’t mean I don’t care, I just really don’t have anything else to say right now.

So if there are other posts claiming to be me, they’re most likely fake. But hey it’s all part of the fun right?

Believe what you want.

Chop this post up, dissect it, criticize it, animate a photo next to it.

It’s your world."



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*spoilers for the two returning players*

http://www.truedorktimes.com/s23/survivometer23.htm

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TDT doesn't really know yet. But it's likely.

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Began watching BB10 again. Oh Brian...

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Random thought: With Ozzy possibly returning, I wonder how Andy feels.

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I feel like they are sticking to strong male returning players so they don't get voted out right away. They noticed they made a mistake by picking a devious player like Russell, so this time they chose 2 honorable and strong males that players would love to have on their team.


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Well they've mixed old players with new players three times. All three times at least one returning player has made the finals. Of those returning players in the finals, 3/4 were women. A returning player has won 2/3 of the mixed seasons.

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I think they are picking men because there are just more "big" male characters so they need to save the big female characters for all stars

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they should return 2 first-ish boots people so they can be redeemed

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I'm still hoping that Peter from Marquesas will return some day. Best contestant to ever be booted first (Fairplay doesn't count).


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alternate idea that probably wouldn't be good in practice: recruit 14 people who have never seen the show and bring back 2 first-ish boots and don't tell anyone and see if they can win

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Alright, since BB13 is only a month away, I'm gonna go ahead and watch BB9 for the first time (and hopefully finish it). Maybe I'll finish BB11 as well.

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where are you watching BB? I've never seen it but I dunno anywhere to watch it.

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I'm "kind of a big deal".
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Whenever I want to watch old seasons, I just go here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigBrotherEpisodes

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Yeah, that's the YouTube page I have bookmarked. Every season in decent quality in order to their entirety.

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Wow @ both Allison and Amanda going down back to back. I vaguely remember this.

Despite the fact that it was really shocking, I laughed when someone said to Matt "get some glasses (cups)" and Matt yelled back as he was running to the kitchen "WE DON'T HAVE ANY GLASSES!" (they took away the cups for the week due to a challenge)

xd bb

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Natalie: "Goodnight Matty."
Matt: "Goodnight."
Natalie: "Can I have a hug goodnight?"
Matt: "No."
Natalie: "Come on."
Matt: "Shut up."

lol

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Literally a trainwreck of a season that doesn't stop even once the season is over.

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There is so much fighting it's insane. It never, ever ends, and almost all of the fights stem from the smallest of occurrences.

Though to be fair to most of them, Joshuah brings a lot of heat, and he's still in the game (at the final 10 now), so I'm not surprised.

Though... I know who wins this season, which at this point makes it all the funnier. If there is any one player who is not playing the game/has not played the game so far this season, it's him.

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I think BB9 is a pretty underrated season. I remember being entertained by it the whole time, and I liked the outcome. A number of good characters too.


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