Board 8 > 2 men caught cheating in an ohio fishing tournament

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Emeraldegg 10/04/22 10:40:42 AM #1:	I dunno why but I am fascinated. Here's the vid of the other fishermen going bonkers on the guy that cheated (other guy must've bolted) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSVZMuBmHk Basically the gist is, these two guys stuffed weights and filets into the fish to have them be heavier. Fishing is serious business, these fishermen sign up to take polygraphs if they do well apparently. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:968481073] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>I dunno why but I am fascinated. Here's the vid of the other fishermen going bonkers on the guy that cheated (other guy must've bolted)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSVZMuBmHkBasically the gist is, these two guys stuffed weights and filets into the fish to have them be heavier. Fishing is serious business, these fishermen sign up to take polygraphs if they do well apparently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/04/22 10:47:17 AM #2:	They won hundreds of thousands from their cheating, too --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:968481195] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>They won hundreds of thousands from their cheating, too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shattered 10/04/22 12:41:11 PM #4:	Was the Chess thing ever proven or just speculation? Like I know people will go to extremes but I also wonder how vibrations can tell you which moves to make. The fishing thing my friend was telling me about as he's a competitive fisher (deep sea spear fishing) and it's pretty wild just because of the money involved. I wonder if they will face criminal charges. Also saw someone accused of cheating in poker with a vibrating ring and whilst not proven they handed over like a $200k+ pot so presumably did it <cite>Shattered posted [p:968483513] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Was the Chess thing ever proven or just speculation? Like I know people will go to extremes but I also wonder how vibrations can tell you which moves to make. The fishing thing my friend was telling me about as he's a competitive fisher (deep sea spear fishing) and it's pretty wild just because of the money involved. I wonder if they will face criminal charges. Also saw someone accused of cheating in poker with a vibrating ring and whilst not proven they handed over like a $200k+ pot so presumably did it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 10/04/22 12:44:44 PM #5:	from what I can tell it's speculation at this point. Carlsen clearly thinks the guy he was playing is a cheater, and the guy admitted he cheated when he was younger, but everything beyond that is just guessing afaik. They are trying to get police involved in the fishing thing yeah, possibly a felony fraud and/or theft. They def called the police and have been giving them information. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:968483596] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>from what I can tell it's speculation at this point. Carlsen clearly thinks the guy he was playing is a cheater, and the guy admitted he cheated when he was younger, but everything beyond that is just guessing afaik.They are trying to get police involved in the fishing thing yeah, possibly a felony fraud and/or theft. They def called the police and have been giving them information. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 10/04/22 12:44:48 PM #6:	Shattered posted... wonder how vibrations can tell you which moves to make. Morse code or some other code --- to me hero's is just bad person <cite>KingButz posted [p:968483601] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Shattered posted... </cite><quote>wonder how vibrations can tell you which moves to make.</quote>Morse code or some other code</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/04/22 1:07:24 PM #7:	Shattered posted... I wonder if they will face criminal charges. They should. That's theft. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:968484153] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Shattered posted... </cite><quote>I wonder if they will face criminal charges.</quote>They should. That's theft. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
guffguy89 10/04/22 1:08:40 PM #8:	I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh? --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. <cite>guffguy89 posted [p:968484185] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 10/04/22 1:16:26 PM #9:	and also how they were suspected of cheating before this and yet their fish were never checked until now --- does anyone even read this <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:968484379] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>and also how they were suspected of cheating before this and yet their fish were never checked until now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 10/04/22 1:49:08 PM #10:	KommunistKoala posted... and also how they were suspected of cheating before this and yet their fish were never checked until now My thinking on that is thus: 1) They are subject to polygraphs basically every time they place, and they passed those tests. The commish himself said that (I listened to a pod on it). If they pass the tests, they are obligated to give them the prizes. 2) The thing that made him catch on this time was just how overboard it went compared to expected weight. It's possible they could have cheated just enough prior (or not at all, we don't really know) that it didn't catch the commish's eye. But when several fish came in like 3 lbs overweight, that was enough. The commish went on the pod and said that he feels confident in his ability to accurately guess any walleye's weight within a pound, so he knows his stuff apparently. He also said he goes through towards the end and calculates how many places each team needs to make up so that he knows to look out for any obvious discrepancies (someone jumpin gfrom 6th to 1st for example). 3) As the commish described, it's a very tight-knit community; you can't really make an accusation without pissing off someone, and then others start to think they'll be targeted next unfairly etc. So it really took an outlandish incident to give him an idea beyond a doubt that cheating was taking place. Even in the video, the other anglers prior to the cheat being discovered can be heard grumbling about how there was no way those fish were weighing in that much. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:968485075] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>KommunistKoala posted... </cite><quote>and also how they were suspected of cheating before this and yet their fish were never checked until now</quote>My thinking on that is thus: 1) They are subject to polygraphs basically every time they place, and they passed those tests. The commish himself said that (I listened to a pod on it). If they pass the tests, they are obligated to give them the prizes. 2) The thing that made him catch on this time was just how overboard it went compared to expected weight. It's possible they could have cheated just enough prior (or not at all, we don't really know) that it didn't catch the commish's eye. But when several fish came in like 3 lbs overweight, that was enough. The commish went on the pod and said that he feels confident in his ability to accurately guess any walleye's weight within a pound, so he knows his stuff apparently. He also said he goes through towards the end and calculates how many places each team needs to make up so that he knows to look out for any obvious discrepancies (someone jumpin gfrom 6th to 1st for example). 3) As the commish described, it's a very tight-knit community; you can't really make an accusation without pissing off someone, and then others start to think they'll be targeted next unfairly etc. So it really took an outlandish incident to give him an idea beyond a doubt that cheating was taking place. Even in the video, the other anglers prior to the cheat being discovered can be heard grumbling about how there was no way those fish were weighing in that much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/04/22 2:15:30 PM #11:	guffguy89 posted... I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh? Its like the guy who realized a horse betting site's API accepted bets after the race ended so he placed small bets to not make it obvious. lol jk he became the first person to bet that correctly in 50 years which immediately tipped everyone off something was wrong. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:968485676] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>guffguy89 posted... </cite><quote>I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh?</quote>Its like the guy who realized a horse betting site's API accepted bets after the race ended so he placed small bets to not make it obvious.lol jk he became the first person to bet that correctly in 50 years which immediately tipped everyone off something was wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/04/22 2:19:11 PM #12:	Fishing tournament winners have to do polygraphs every time? Fucking weird! --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:968485780] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Fishing tournament winners have to do polygraphs every time? Fucking weird!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 10/04/22 2:21:17 PM #13:	Nobody lies like a fisherman and you can't keep surveillance on every participant the entire time, so the polygraph is their insurance policy, I guess? Even though polygraphs are pretty inaccurate --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:968485840] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Nobody lies like a fisherman and you can't keep surveillance on every participant the entire time, so the polygraph is their insurance policy, I guess?Even though polygraphs are pretty inaccurate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wallmasterz 10/04/22 3:28:39 PM #15:	UltimaterializerX posted... Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie. blinking guy gif --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:968487269] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie.</quote>blinking guy gif</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 10/04/22 3:46:27 PM #16:	UltimaterializerX posted... Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie. Lol --- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:968487640] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie.</quote>Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shattered 10/04/22 3:56:15 PM #17:	guffguy89 posted... I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh? Probably just gradually escalated. The more they cheated and got away with, the more they pushed boundaries. Eventually reaching the point where they got so overconfident they wouldn't be caught that they made it too blatant. I remember clicking through the Twitter comments and there was some golf dude who was really blatant about cheating in qualifying school because people didn't dare question it even though they suspected it and it wasn't policed very well. Eventually he got caught but it seemed he was constantly pulling off outlandish feats when nobody was watching. He claimed something ridiculous like 17 career hole in ones on par 4s when there's only been 1 on PGA tour and it required a freakish deflection off someone's club or something to happen <cite>Shattered posted [p:968487869] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>guffguy89 posted... </cite><quote>I've been following this too, and what seems odd to me is by how much they cheated. They didn't even try to make it realistic they went so overboard. Perhaps they were worried about other cheaters, or maybe they are somehow that ignorant on how much those type of fish should generally weigh?</quote>Probably just gradually escalated. The more they cheated and got away with, the more they pushed boundaries. Eventually reaching the point where they got so overconfident they wouldn't be caught that they made it too blatant. I remember clicking through the Twitter comments and there was some golf dude who was really blatant about cheating in qualifying school because people didn't dare question it even though they suspected it and it wasn't policed very well. Eventually he got caught but it seemed he was constantly pulling off outlandish feats when nobody was watching. He claimed something ridiculous like 17 career hole in ones on par 4s when there's only been 1 on PGA tour and it required a freakish deflection off someone's club or something to happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 10/04/22 3:57:04 PM #18:	yeah, it's kind of funny. i thought polygraphs have known to be bunk for 20 years- they just measure how nervous you are it's more of a light or "security theater" measure, meant to ward off crimes of spontaneity kind of like how your front door's lock can't prevent a determined lockpicker from getting in your house, but it for sure will deter a drunk person from stumbling in --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:968487887] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>yeah, it's kind of funny. i thought polygraphs have known to be bunk for 20 years- they just measure how nervous you areit's more of a light or "security theater" measure, meant to ward off crimes of spontaneitykind of like how your front door's lock can't prevent a determined lockpicker from getting in your house, but it for sure will deter a drunk person from stumbling in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 10/04/22 3:58:07 PM #19:	also damn, these men are passionate, haha. i know it's for good reason, but getting that blast of manly screaming hit my funny bone --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:968487917] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>also damn, these men are passionate, haha. i know it's for good reason, but getting that blast of manly screaming hit my funny bone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/04/22 5:10:00 PM #20:	There is a real cheating scandal in chess but I don't think anybody seriously has any reason to believe that it involves vibrating anal beads. It was a crazy idea mentioned by a streamer mainly for comedy that the wider media somehow got wind of. It is known (by his own admission) that the player cheated online before, and today chess.com released a report saying it occurred more frequently than the player had admitted to. I don't think there's been anything definitive as far as cheating at in-person tournaments goes though there are obviously suspicions because of his online cheating history and his rapid (but not unprecedented) rise in ranking. It is worth mentioning the online cheating occurred in online tournaments with prize money so it is still a meaningful problem. --- I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways. <cite>pyresword posted [p:968489684] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>There is a real cheating scandal in chess but I don't think anybody seriously has any reason to believe that it involves vibrating anal beads. It was a crazy idea mentioned by a streamer mainly for comedy that the wider media somehow got wind of.It is known (by his own admission) that the player cheated online before, and today chess.com released a report saying it occurred more frequently than the player had admitted to. I don't think there's been anything definitive as far as cheating at in-person tournaments goes though there are obviously suspicions because of his online cheating history and his rapid (but not unprecedented) rise in ranking. It is worth mentioning the online cheating occurred in online tournaments with prize money so it is still a meaningful problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Blur_ 10/05/22 1:04:47 AM #21:	https://youtu.be/xSta3wFK15Y Seth Myers just covered this --- Feel the sadnesss of the Earth, and I close my eyes. And I'm beyond time now. <cite>_Blur_ posted [p:968498788] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/xSta3wFK15YSeth Myers just covered this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cavedweller2000 10/05/22 2:20:34 AM #22:	UltimaterializerX posted... Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie. Somebody's seen Oceans Thirteen --- Well done to azuarc for finishing 67 places above me in the 2020 GOTD Guru Contest! <cite>Cavedweller2000 posted [p:968499546] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Beating a poly is easy. Just put thumb tacks in your toes and push when you need to lie.</quote>Somebody's seen Oceans Thirteen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 10/05/22 4:38:21 AM #23:	Polys are unreliable. Always have been. I know people who lost multiple tournaments to these people lol. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:968500536] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Polys are unreliable. Always have been. I know people who lost multiple tournaments to these people lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aecioo 10/05/22 6:26:01 AM #25:	Easiest way is to just be a sociopath who feels no difference between telling the truth and telling a lie --- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:968501273] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Easiest way is to just be a sociopath who feels no difference between telling the truth and telling a lie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 10/12/22 6:33:54 PM #26:	Update: The 2 men have been indicted on felony charges of cheating(I love that this is a crime), attempted grand theft, possessing wildlife unlawfully (Misdemeanor), and possessing criminal tools. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:968672578] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Update: The 2 men have been indicted on felony charges of cheating(I love that this is a crime), attempted grand theft, possessing wildlife unlawfully (Misdemeanor), and possessing criminal tools. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/13/22 5:30:36 PM #27:	Deserved, but still, dayum --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:968694248] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Deserved, but still, dayum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 10/13/22 6:47:25 PM #28:	Emeraldegg posted... indicted on felony charges of cheating(I love that this is a crime) i need a court ruling on whether screenwatching is cheating now --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:968695815] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Emeraldegg posted... </cite><quote>indicted on felony charges of cheating(I love that this is a crime)</quote>i need a court ruling on whether screenwatching is cheating now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 10/18/22 8:40:48 AM #30:	UltimaterializerX posted... I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament? It's probably against the law to tamper with wildlife in the way they did. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:968796590] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament?</quote>It's probably against the law to tamper with wildlife in the way they did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 10/18/22 10:35:21 AM #31:	Thorn posted... i need a court ruling on whether screenwatching is cheating now Goldeneye players have left the chat. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:968798262] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Thorn posted... </cite><quote>i need a court ruling on whether screenwatching is cheating now</quote>Goldeneye players have left the chat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 10/18/22 10:41:24 AM #32:	UltimaterializerX posted... I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament? Its probably to do with what they did before the tournament to stuff them with weights --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:968798368] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament?</quote>Its probably to do with what they did before the tournament to stuff them with weights </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 10/26/22 12:17:12 PM #33:	The 2 men have pleaded not guilty It's on film my dudes, what is the plan here --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:968985281] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>The 2 men have pleaded not guiltyIt's on film my dudes, what is the plan here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 10/26/22 12:30:30 PM #34:	WE GOT WEIGHTS IN FISH will forever live in my head. Every time this topic gets bumped that gets played --- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:968985586] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>WE GOT WEIGHTS IN FISH will forever live in my head.Every time this topic gets bumped that gets played</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-hotdogturtle-- 10/26/22 3:39:36 PM #35:	UltimaterializerX posted... I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament? I don't exactly know how laws regarding fishing tournaments in general work, but I'm guessing it's something like: the tournament has whatever permits/rights to fish in this area, which apply to all participants, and by cheating in the tournament, you're not legally obtaining the rights from them, so your catches are considered illegal. --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC <cite>-hotdogturtle-- posted [p:968989845] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>I don't see how one would possess wildlife unlawfully in a fishing tournament?</quote>I don't exactly know how laws regarding fishing tournaments in general work, but I'm guessing it's something like: the tournament has whatever permits/rights to fish in this area, which apply to all participants, and by cheating in the tournament, you're not legally obtaining the rights from them, so your catches are considered illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 10/26/22 3:41:36 PM #36:	Emeraldegg posted... The 2 men have pleaded not guilty It's on film my dudes, what is the plan here Unfortunately "wasting taxpayer dollars" isn't an additional charge to hit them with. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:968989900] in 2 men caug... [t:80187114]...</cite> <quote>Emeraldegg posted... </cite><quote>The 2 men have pleaded not guiltyIt's on film my dudes, what is the plan here</quote>Unfortunately "wasting taxpayer dollars" isn't an additional charge to hit them with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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