Poll of the Day > I dunno about you guys but I'm feeling a bit suspicious of this pandemic.

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https://youtu.be/Lh6VnB7JvW0

The whole vid is 30 minutes long but I think it's worth a watch.

I'll try to summarize a bit from the beginning of the video.

So in Ireland there has been 1,777 deaths in Covid-19 as of September 2nd 2020.

Out of all 1,777 people that died of Covid, 1,677 had underlying conditions like old age, cancer, etc. and with the median age being 84.

So according to these statistics, in Ireland, there has only been like 100 deaths out of 1,777 from people that wasn't already at the life-expectancy age or already very sick of something else.

Doesn't this seem kinda... Odd to anyone else or is it just me?

I apologize in advance for my poor grammar : (
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Well, the average age of people that die from Covid-19 is older than the average age people die at period.

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So what? So fuck vulnerable people with underlying conditions that make them more prone to die from covid? Where does this line of thinking trend to?

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No I don't want anyone to die.
If anything this whole thing should be a reminder on how we should do to protect the elderly during all future flu seasons.
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AIDS doesn't kill people either.
It creates the opening for secondary infections to come in and create massive issues.

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shadowsword87 posted...

AIDS doesn't kill people either.
It creates the opening for secondary infections to come in and create massive issues.

That's kinda what happens with Pneumonia too.
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Pneumonia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of a disease.

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shadowsword87 posted...

Pneumonia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of a disease.

he clearly doesn't know his top from his bottom, ok?

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LeetCheet posted...

That's kinda what happens with Pneumonia too.

Other way around. Pneumonia's usually the secondary infection that comes in and kills people. Pneumonia's not actually a specific infection, it's just a blanket term for inflammation/infections of the lower lung, regardless of the cause (much like bronchitis is any inflammation of the bronchi, regardless of the cause). Serious cases (which are much more likely to happen in patients whose lungs and/or immune systems have already been compromised) have a pesky habit of keeping people from breathing, which tends not to be good for humans.

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People with underlying conditions are the ones that need to isolate. To blanket the entire planet and alter everyones life over a non-pandemic is absolutely ridiculous. Our immune systems are going to be shot after this is over because we wont have been sick with common bugs for so long.

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"don't worry, the pandemic is only killing old or sick people!"

eat shit and die, bigot

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zebatov posted...

Our immune systems are going to be shot after this is over because we wont have been sick with common bugs for so long.

thats not how the immune system works you fucking moron

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zebatov posted...

People with underlying conditions are the ones that need to isolate. To blanket the entire planet and alter everyones life over a non-pandemic is absolutely ridiculous. Our immune systems are going to be shot after this is over because we wont have been sick with common bugs for so long.

Yeah, the handling has been atrocious.

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zebatov posted...

People with underlying conditions are the ones that need to isolate. To blanket the entire planet and alter everyones life over a non-pandemic is absolutely ridiculous. Our immune systems are going to be shot after this is over because we wont have been sick with common bugs for so long.

I don't understand how someone can actually have this opinion this far into 2020. Like how?

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Talk to quigonzel about it just hurting the elderly

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I don't understand how someone can actually have this opinion this far into 2020. Like how?

Because their bio-medical degrees were earned on YouTube University

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Also, at least in America, when we say 'they died of covid plus one or more underlying conditions', that usually doesn't mean much, as things like obesity, high collateral, anxiety, high blood pressure, etc. count as underlying conditions. A lot of people, if not the majority of the country, has something that would qualify as an 'underlying condition' in the way people seem to talk about it to discount the deaths due to Covid in America. (Not sure if its the same in the Ireland/the video you mentioned, but its important to note nonetheless)

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Wow, I remember my first beer, Oni. Arent you like twenty and still learning about life and how to do laundry?

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zebatov posted...

Wow, I remember my first beer, Oni. Arent you like twenty and still learning about life and how to do laundry?

im only 15 idiot, im not allowed to drink beer.

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OniRonin posted...

im only 15 idiot, im not allowed to drink beer.

not being allowed isn't stopping ya (though i never did until I was 18 either)

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I drank ALOT of alcohol before I was 18, in fact, more then I did in the following 32 years (by far), by the time I was 20-21 or so, I pretty much stopped drinking alcohol after losing a GF when I drank 2 2 liters of Sunkist mixed 50% with Vodka and threw up all over her living room.

Never really drank sunkist after that either lol.

While it may kill someone, I think doing that will help prevent many people from becoming alcoholics later in life lol.

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OniRonin posted...

im only 15 idiot, im not allowed to drink beer.

Does anyone believe this guy is 15

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OniRonin posted...

im only 15 idiot, im not allowed to drink beer.

Oh so you lied when you said you were turning twenty in December. And so I was right, then.

And yeah, people can drink underage in most jurisdictions with parental supervision on your own property at that age.

wolfy42 posted...

I drank ALOT of alcohol before I was 18, in fact, more then I did in the following 32 years (by far), by the time I was 20-21 or so, I pretty much stopped drinking alcohol after losing a GF when I drank 2 2 liters of Sunkist mixed 50% with Vodka and threw up all over her living room.

Never really drank sunkist after that either lol.

While it may kill someone, I think doing that will help prevent many people from becoming alcoholics later in life lol.

I drank two 26s of CapMos and starting ranting to my half-Japanese cousin about how Im not jealous of Japanese dudes and my girlfriends. Ive actually never hurled from drinking.

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zebatov posted...

Oh so you lied when you said you were turning twenty in December.

no, that was my sister. she forgot to log off ym account and log onto hers

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OniRonin posted...

no, that was my sister. she forgot to log off ym account and log onto hers

Oh? Tell her I said whats up.

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zebatov posted...

Oh? Tell her I said whats up.

dude.

Shes 15

This topic is a mess lol

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Soup_or_Science posted...

dude.

Shes 15

Do not deliver until January 2023.

Also that wasnt what was said, but I dont believe anything that kid says.

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zebatov posted...

Do not deliver until January 2023.

Also that wasnt what was said, but I dont believe anything that kid says.

nice defense, no one will think you're creeping on his younger sister now, ok?

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Hopefully theyre clever enough to follow a three-post conversation. Cant really expect too much around here, though.

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ClarkDuke posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Pneumonia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of a disease.

he clearly doesn't know his top from his bottom, ok?

Instead of questioning other people's intelligence we should try to work together and get through this whole thing alive.
I know I'm not the smartest guy around and suffering from depression doesn't make things any easier.

It has even started to affect my memory and it gets increasingly harder for me to get my thoughts into words, like posting on Gamefaqs or just speaking with someone IRL.

Anyway, ever since that net neutrality debacle, I can't trust any government or corporation.

They clearly showed us how little they really cared about any of us then. Why should it be any different now?

I really hope I'm wrong and I want to believe there actually exist decent people in powerful positions.
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I... what?
I was telling you about that.

I'm really confused what you're on about.

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TC a lot of folk are thinking most of this COVID -19 stuff is bullshit. Others however believe everything they read. All I can do is get on with my life the best I can, live by whatever rules the UK government put in place and let science eventually find a suitable vaccine that has been tried and tested then maybe this shitshow can fade away and become obsolete.

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shadowsword87 posted...

I... what?
I was telling you about that.

I'm really confused what you're on about.

You were talking about how AIDS doesn't kill you but rather makes you more prone to other diseases to sweep in and kill you instead and I tried to compare it with Pneumonia, which in retrospect, is a completely wrong comparison.

I originally wanted to say flu but I thought people would just lump me with the "It's just a flu bro" people so I changed my post slightly.

Because if a flu gets bad enough, it eventually weakens your immune system to a point that other microbes and viruses starts spreading out of control and starts to wreak havoc.

Sorry if I'm being slow/dumb. It's not on purpose : (

madadude posted...

Also, at least in America, when we say 'they died of covid plus one or more underlying conditions', that usually doesn't mean much, as things like obesity, high collateral, anxiety, high blood pressure, etc. count as underlying conditions. A lot of people, if not the majority of the country, has something that would qualify as an 'underlying condition' in the way people seem to talk about it to discount the deaths due to Covid in America. (Not sure if its the same in the Ireland/the video you mentioned, but its important to note nonetheless)

I missed this post earlier so I'm responding to it now.

Yeah I think it's common knowledge by now that most Americans have some kind of underlying issue in comparison with European countries.

But yeah, its harder to compare the situation in America and say Ireland because its such a different beast across the pond.

With all the corporate bullshit all Americans has to deal with it makes sense though.

Health care is too expensive and corporations can do whatever the hell they want like fire people for little to no reason which robs those people of their livelihoods(and health care insurances).

In Sweden we have unions that protects people from stuff like that.

Like when Toys r Us tried to open stores here, they tried doing it like in US but the unions stopped them and they had to comply with Swedish laws if they wanted to keep their stores.
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wwinterj25 posted...

TC a lot of folk are thinking most of this COVID -19 stuff is bulls***.

Mostly people who have been insisting that's true since the beginning and continue to latch onto anything they can find that validates that belief. People don't want to believe that there's a highly infectious deadly disease rampaging across the globe. That's scary and inconvenient. It's only natural that some would try to deny or minimize the issue rather than accepting or confronting it.

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adjl posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

TC a lot of folk are thinking most of this COVID -19 stuff is bulls***.

Mostly people who have been insisting that's true since the beginning and continue to latch onto anything they can find that validates that belief. People don't want to believe that there's a highly infectious deadly disease rampaging across the globe. That's scary and inconvenient. It's only natural that some would try to deny or minimize the issue rather than accepting or confronting it.

I bet there are also people who thinks huge corporations and overreaching governments are scary and inconvenient and therefore prefer to not believe in those things either.

I mean, all those corporations could've easily make so many things better for people all around the world but instead they just hoard all that fortune for themselves.
Not to mention all the tax they aren't paying.

I mean, look at all smaller businesses that has been forcibly shut down due to the pandemic.
I don't know about you but now feels like an excellent opportunity for the ultra rich people to get even more power and monopoly over the various markets.

These companies are getting too much power over our lives and no one gives a fuck.

I do believe there's an highly infectious virus out there but I think we've gone a bit too far with the precautions due how it mostly seems to affect old and already ill people.

Look at Australia, perfectly healthy people can barely do normal things like go out for a walk in the park without being bothered by police officers.
Is that a world you want to live in?

No safety in the world is worth sacrificing over your freedom and human rights.
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LeetCheet posted...

I don't know about you but now feels like an excellent opportunity for the ultra rich people to get even more power and monopoly over the various markets.

These companies are getting too much power over our lives and no one gives a fuck.

Let's not forget how the government will and has used this pandemic to remove freedoms, like you can't go to a bar and just drink. This is a recently created law in Pennsylvania that New York tried before and it failed since bars just charged a penny for a stale sandwich that no one ate.

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LeetCheet posted...

Doesn't this seem kinda... Odd to anyone else or is it just me?

What's odd about healthy people being less likely to die from getting sick?
The thing that makes COVID-19 especially deadly is how it can infect and spread without symptoms, using the healthy and most likely to survive without complications as a vector to spread it to those who are much less likely to survive it.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

LeetCheet posted...

Doesn't this seem kinda... Odd to anyone else or is it just me?

What's odd about healthy people being less likely to die from getting sick?
The thing that makes COVID-19 especially deadly is how it can infect and spread without symptoms, using the healthy and most likely to survive without complications as a vector to spread it to those who are much less likely to survive it.

But regular flus has literally done that for as long as humanity has existed.

Why haven't we've had any lockdowns during any previous flu seasons?
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LeetCheet posted...

Why haven't we've had any lockdowns during any previous flu seasons?

Covid is killing roughly as many Americans per month as influenza does in a typical year despite all these efforts to control it, to say nothing of hospitalizations and the long-term health effects that seem to be following non-lethal cases. The flu doesn't prompt a response like this because the flu isn't anywhere close to being as dangerous and infectious as Covid is. There's a reason everybody with any grasp on the situation stopped comparing it to the flu six months ago.

It will be interesting to see, however, what impact anti-Covid precautions have on this year's flu season, and whether or not those results will cultivate a culture of taking similar precautions in future flu seasons. I doubt businesses and public gatherings and the like will be subject to any of the same formal restrictions, but it would not surprise me to see more people wearing masks next fall.

LeetCheet posted...

I do believe there's an highly infectious virus out there but I think we've gone a bit too far with the precautions due how it mostly seems to affect old and already ill people.

The thing with a situation like this is that you have to err on the side of caution. If you do too little, by the time that becomes apparent, it's too late to do anything and tens of thousands of people will die while you scramble to try to catch up to it. Suggesting that high-risk people are the only ones that need to be taking precautions seems reasonable at face value, but in practice, the degree to which the disease would spread if left unchecked would make such precautions almost impossible (bearing in mind that many high-risk people need to make regular trips to the doctor/hospital, which would become even more dangerous as those places become saturated with infected people). It's also important to note that many lower-risk people have only survived because their bodies are healthy enough to survive until the virus runs its course while being treated. Fill up hospitals such that they can't get that treatment, and that mortality rate gets a lot uglier.

Are people being overly cautious? Probably. But when the alternative is a whole lot of people dying, I'm okay with being extra careful for a year or so. It's annoying, but hardly the end of the world.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Let's not forget how the government will and has used this pandemic to remove freedoms, like you can't go to a bar and just drink.

Yes, a global public health crisis does make it necessary to lose some freedoms for the sake of public safety. This should not be surprising. It'd be nice if regulations like that weren't needed because people were capable of exercising some common sense and not packing into bars the second it became legal to do so with no regard for infection control protocols, but apparently people are stupid, which is the usual reason we can't have nice things.

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Because this isnt the fucking flu

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LeetCheet posted...

Doesn't this seem kinda... Odd to anyone else or is it just me?

Nope.

Fatality rate rapidly increases depending on these factors, with age being the most dramatic by far:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-underlying-medical-conditions.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html

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Sorry I don't watch known conservative pied pipers like Computing Forever.

FrozenBananas posted...

Talk to quigonzel about it just hurting the elderly

^ This like wtf, how ignorant can you be?

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@judgmenl
So you don't listen to other people just because they're not on "your side"?

Seems kinda stupid to not want to not listen to other people's arguments.

I always try to listen and rationalize what other people are trying to tell me.

And @adjl
I don't think it's worth losing freedom for anything.
Sacrifice your human rights for some temporary security and you'll eventually end up with having neither.

Just look at China. I certainly don't want to live in a world where that's the new normal.

If America just had a more affordable healthcare this probably would've not been as bad as it is now.

Just look at Sweden. We have a pretty decent healthcare and almost everything has been open like usual and stuff has been pretty much like normal the whole time.

It just sucks to know that these people that were already dying were forced to die alone in a hospitalroom instead of being with friends and family in their final moments because they weren't protected from Covid by the hospital workers.

I think it's kinda stupid to blindly trust anyone and anything for any reason.

If we all did, we'd probably still have lead in gasoline and even more people would've suffered from cancer.
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Dont get your news from youtube my dude

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LeetCheet posted...

I don't think it's worth losing freedom for anything.

An absurdly vague, extreme statement that has no practical validity in the real world. You lose your freedom to drive through intersections when the light's red, is that so bad? Everyday life is full of "infringements" on personal liberty that just make sense and need to be accepted in order for society to function without everyone dying horribly. When you have an emergency/crisis situation, it becomes necessary to accept more restrictions to help minimize the damage until the emergency is resolved.

Can that be taken too far? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that it's remotely reasonable, practical, or even safe to categorically oppose every restriction regardless of how reasonable or sensible it is, especially in a crisis situation where lives are on the line.

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LeetCheet posted...

So you don't listen to other people just because they're not on "your side"?

There are no sides.

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You think it's odd that unhealthy people are more likely to die than healthy ones?

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adjl posted...

LeetCheet posted...

I don't think it's worth losing freedom for anything.

An absurdly vague, extreme statement that has no practical validity in the real world. You lose your freedom to drive through intersections when the light's red, is that so bad? Everyday life is full of "infringements" on personal liberty that just make sense and need to be accepted in order for society to function without everyone dying horribly. When you have an emergency/crisis situation, it becomes necessary to accept more restrictions to help minimize the damage until the emergency is resolved.

Can that be taken too far? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that it's remotely reasonable, practical, or even safe to categorically oppose every restriction regardless of how reasonable or sensible it is, especially in a crisis situation where lives are on the line.

I doubt things will ever be the same as before the pandemic.
I mean just look at airports post 9/11.

These "temporary safety measures" will probably stay permanently for "the safety of the people".

I understand things might be worse in such places such as America and that sucks but that doesn't mean it's equally as bad in other countries.

More drastic measures might be needed for countries with overall less healthy people.
The ones at risk should get more protections.

Here in Scandinavia though, there shouldn't be as many restrictions because we're generally more healthy because our healthcare isn't lobbied to hell by giant corporations.

papercup posted...

You think it's odd that unhealthy people are more likely to die than healthy ones?

No I just think it's kinda odd that no one is reporting how big of a gap there are between Covid-deaths of elderly/already sick people and perfectly healthy people.

Also why are people that clearly died from something else still counted as a Covid death just because they happen to have traces of Covid in them at the time of death?

Like cancer patients that were already on their deathbeds. Just because they got infected by Covid at the end it shouldn't be counted as a Covid death IMO.

The cancer was obviously the reason they were dying in the first place, Covid just happened to finish them off.
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OniRonin posted...

no, that was my sister. she forgot to log off ym account and log onto hers

wait a minute ive seen this before

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