Board 8 > Rise of Skywalker- How satisfied were you with how it ended Star Wars? BEE Week4

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FAIR WARNING - I promise there will be zero spoilers in the opening posts of this topic series, however everything after that could be Spoiler City. After all, we're exclusively discussing the final moments of some of the most beloved and long running series in the history of popular media... so proceed with caution!

Welcome to Best Ending Ever, the topic series where Board 8 will decide the best (and worst) endings in the history of film, television, literature, and video games. Each week we'll cover a well-regarded or controversial new entry.

For this fourth week the topic title meant to ask How satisfied were you with the way Rise of Skywalker wrapped up the 9 film Star Wars: Skywalker Saga?
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Last Week's Result
* Avengers: Infinity War & Endgame earn an average of 3.31
Over 50% of Board 8 awarded the original era of the MCU's ending the full four points; Breaking Bad did slightly better in that regard, but the Avengers films countered by collecting fewer low votes. I thought BB's strong score might earn it the BEE championship belt for years, but IF/EG came within one voter of stealing the crown in Week 3! Our general sentiment was that the films were pure crowdpleasers with amazing setpieces and only a few missteps, and a fitting finale for the original class of Marvel superheroes.

BEE All Time Rankings
* 3.32 w/ 117 votes - Breaking Bad
* 3.31 w/ 102 votes - Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame
* 1.65 w/ 121 votes - Game of Thrones


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ngamer why

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Ng's Hot Take
As luck would have it, I discussed this topic in depth with yoblazer and Nick and TPLink a couple months ago while we were taping The Show, so you can give that a listen if you're interested!

http://board8.speedrunwiki.com/interviews/theshow/20200429-TheShowEP06BONUS-MovieTalk.mp3


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NFUN posted...

ngamer why

Can't make a topic series for the biggest names in popular media and not cover Star Wars!

That being said, I'd have skipped the series if this would have been the 1023rd Last Jedi topic, but the Rise of Skywalker horse hasn't been beaten to death yet on this board IMO.


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I mean
It didnt actually come close to ending Star Wars
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If anyone votes good or excellent they are huge trolls.

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I voted 2 but as an ending it probably deserves a 1 more.

Wasn't a terrible movie per se, but just felt amazingly inconsequential.

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Went with 2, but really want to say like 2.5. It wasn't "very good," but I liked it well enough.

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glad my vote was able to prevent the shitty endgame from surpassing breaking bad

for star wars I say a 2 I guess. it's somewhere between a 1 and a 2, but it's tough to say I was "extremely disappointed" when I already went into the movie expecting it to be very bad.


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In the words of Immortan Joe, MEDIOCRE!

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Other than The Kiss it was fine, that was really dumb though

2 from me

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If it was the entire trilogy I'd give it a 1. For an ending it was... okay, given the complete lack of a cohesive thread through the movies. Went with 2.

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2

Lots of unanswered questions. How does Palpatine survive a Death Star explosion? Who was secretly having relations with Palpatine during the prequel trilogy? That's just the tip of the iceberg, but mostly a disappointing end to the Skywalker saga

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Palpatine pivot felt so forced it was unreal

Apart from that it had a decent amount of charm, 2/4 we could always use more Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac.

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Loved it

but I am the easiest to please Star Wars fan ever

as I have said many times, Star Wars could dump on my chest and I would happily scream for more

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I voted 2 but as an ending it probably deserves a 1 more.

Wasn't a terrible movie per se, but just felt amazingly inconsequential.

I love when I can just quote someone else to sum up my thoughts.

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Meh.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I voted 2 but as an ending it probably deserves a 1 more.

Wasn't a terrible movie per se, but just felt amazingly inconsequential.

it actually is a terrible movie

so yeah, a fat 1 from me

Ngamer64 posted...

Can't make a topic series for the biggest names in popular media and not cover Star Wars!

If you have to do Star Wars, why not do Return of the Jedi instead? It's just as much of an ending, has a wider opinion range, and hasn't been discussed to death for the six months.
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Nom Lost

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I thought there were lots of things that should have been explained but weren't, like how did Palpatine survive, which has already been mentioned. The Rise of Skywalker itself still felt Marvelly with less of the unique Star Wars feel, like the previous two films. It doesn't help that the finale copies Endgame pretty blatantly at least twice (The bit where all the ships arrive to provide back-up, I thought for sure Portals was going to play while someone radioed in saying "On your left." and the climax of the Palpatine Vs Rey battle is a dead ringer for "I am inevitable." "I am Iron Man.") Comparing to Endgame last week, that film was considered a major crowd-pleaser, which had it scoring highly. The Rise of Skywalker tried to do the same, but the audience goodwill needed for such an approach to work wasn't there between the Last Jedi, Solo, and the Star Wars Battlefront 2 lootboxes debacle. To be fair, it's also a lot harder to come up with a satisfying conclusion to a 40 year old saga than a 10 year old one that's been a more or less constant presence throughtout the last decade.

I'm between 1 and 2, but I voted 1. The Force Awakens tried to set up a plot arc for the trilogy, and the Last Jedi undid it all, but didn't replace it with anything. Therefore, I couldn't bring myself to care much about the Rise of Skywalker because we're coming to the end of the trilogy, and yet we still had no real idea of where the plot would go, so I found it difficult to get invested. That progression of the overall arc can be seen in the Original and Prequel Trilogies, but not in the Sequel Trilogy. I only watched it because a friend invited me to the cinema with him, and I wouldn't have gone otherwise.

I will say however, Babu Frik is the MVP. He better be in Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga! With around 500 playable characters promised, I fancy his chances. Should I cross fingers for Pong Krell as well?

Ronnie James Dio was the only redeeming part of this abortion

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Babu Frick gets this one point.

I can't imagine liking Babu Frick.

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Whiskey_Nick posted...

Loved it

but I am the easiest to please Star Wars fan ever

as I have said many times, Star Wars could dump on my chest and I would happily scream for more

Pretty much this.

Stuff like Palps coming back doesn't need any more of an explanation than we got for me. Honestly I'd even be ok with absolutely no explanation because my reaction to him coming back is "Yeah of course that asshole is back."

I'm too influenced by outside media, even if it's no longer canon, and it still informs my thoughts on characters and their motivations. So when the movie says Palps is back and drops a "maybe cloning and Sith sorcery?" speculation, I go "Yeah that makes sense" and move on.

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ZeroSignal620 posted...

Who was secretly having relations with Palpatine during the prequel trilogy?

No one!

Rey's dad is actually a failed Palps clone per outside sources. Just before his body's death he jumped his spirit into a partially completed clone on Exegol and his men there continued to try to create a body that could contain his power without deteriorating. Rey's dad is one of their attempts that survived, but had no Force potential at all. Palps hated that but allowed him to live for the potential of carrying on the Palpatine line the natural way.


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man I didn't realize how quickly people turned on this movie

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for me it was during the opening crawl

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FFDragon posted...

for me it was during the opening crawl

THE DEAD SPEAK overtook WAR for best opening crawl imhotbqh

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Was a pretty whatever finale to a bad trilogy. The new characters werent good and the old characters got probably the worst treatment I have ever seen a returning cast get in anything ever.

The new characters were fine, they just didn't know what the fuck to do with any of them.

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Murphiroth posted...

No one!

Rey's dad is actually a failed Palps clone per outside sources. Just before his body's death he jumped his spirit into a partially completed clone on Exegol and his men there continued to try to create a body that could contain his power without deteriorating. Rey's dad is one of their attempts that survived, but had no Force potential at all. Palps hated that but allowed him to live for the potential of carrying on the Palpatine line the natural way.

Like

read this post again and realize how dumb it sounds

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Aecioo posted...

Like

read this post again and realize how dumb it sounds

I never said it wasn't dumb!

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red13n posted...

The new characters were fine, they just didn't know what the fuck to do with any of them.

I agree with the not knowing what to do with them part, but I also just plain did not like Rey or Kylo at all. Poe was...sorta ok when the writing for him wasnt all over the place to the point of being stupid at times. Finn was decent in the one movie that actually cared about writing for him.

Hbthebattle posted...

I mean
It didnt actually come close to ending Star Wars

As I explained, there wasn't room in the title.

"The topic title meant to ask How satisfied were you with the way Rise of Skywalker wrapped up the 9 film Star Wars: Skywalker Saga?"

Xeybozn posted...

If you have to do Star Wars, why not do Return of the Jedi instead? It's just as much of an ending, has a wider opinion range, and hasn't been discussed to death for the six months.

That's a fair point. We'll do it one year from now to celebrate the anniversary of this suggestion!


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Not even through the first day yet and already 85 votes! B8 sure loves their Star Wars.

*checks results*

Erm, well...


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i'll bite the bait.

i was going to put 2, and after some thought downgraded it to 1

I originally gave Rise of Skywalker some credit for cobbling together the broken vase of milk that was the sequel trilogy, but as a capstone for the trilogy of trilogies it's abysmal.

The basic premise and plot doesn't bother me, but the movie paints with such broad and vague strokes that nothing carries any weight, and the entire film feels obligatory when it should be exciting.

At this point, I wouldn't mind if we wiped the canon again. Can we go back to the dumb-as-hell-but-still-entertaining Thrawn timeline? Find a way to keep all of the actors somehow to make sure it's not out of spite

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banananor posted...

At this point, I wouldn't mind if we wiped the canon again. Can we go back to the dumb-as-hell-but-still-entertaining Thrawn timeline? Find a way to keep all of the actors somehow to make sure it's not out of spite

They would have to recast all the OT characters....

Best just to move on and do completely original stories, like The Mandalorian.


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On one hand the answer is definitely a 1 and it was a shit show.

On the other, after walking out of the theater, I felt a great sense of relief that I would (hopefully) never have to consume another piece of media surrounding the sequel trilogy and these characters again, so the movie did make me happy in some ways.

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banananor posted...

I originally gave Rise of Skywalker some credit for cobbling together the broken vase of milk that was the sequel trilogy, but as a capstone for the trilogy of trilogies it's abysmal.

I never felt like the sequel trilogy was such a jumbled mess beforehand, though I've only seen each movie once. To me The Last Jedi, flawed as it was, set the trilogy in a clear direction and to see this new film completely backpedal was dumb, not even because I liked TLJ or was even on board with it but because it was plain jarring. There was no indication that Palpatine was magically controlling the whole thing before, and I didn't even have a problem with being brought back to life! I mean, this is a science fantasy setting, you can invent any stupid thing to bring him back.

Honestly Palpatine's abrupt return and the film's rushed handling of exposition were the only things I particularly didn't like in Rise of Skywalker, but there wasn't anything major I liked much either. The acting was mostly nice, some of the special effects were cool, I enjoyed the interactions between the main characters, but like I've said before I swear Rise of Skywalker is the most generic Hollywood blockbuster ever made. The whole thing reeks of laziness. I don't even think the execution of the sequel trilogy was bad so much as it was half-hearted.


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davidponte posted...

On the other, after walking out of the theater, I felt a great sense of relief that I would (hopefully) never have to consume another piece of media surrounding the sequel trilogy and these characters again, so the movie did make me happy in some ways.

I mean

You could have just not gone to see this one!

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I don't really get why some Star Wars fans are so venomous towards the sequel trilogy. I've never seen anything as disparaged by its fans as much. Even Sonic fans found things to like about Sonic 06 that they felt Generations picked up on well, and ditto Metroid fans with Other M and Samus Returns. Why are people acting like these movies came to life and ate their families?

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Murphiroth posted...

I never said it wasn't dumb!

Haha fair enough.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I don't really get why some Star Wars fans are so venomous towards the sequel trilogy. I've never seen anything as disparaged by its fans as much. Even Sonic fans found things to like about Sonic 06 that they felt Generations picked up on well, and ditto Metroid fans with Other M and Samus Returns. Why are people acting like these movies came to life and ate their families?

This coming from the guy who literally hasn't shut up about it for 3+ years

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I voted 3.

It's not that great a movie, but I found it more enjoyable than the two before it. Considering what it had to work with, I'm not sure what it could have done all too much better.

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Leonhart4 posted...

This coming from the guy who literally hasn't shut up about it for 3+ years

Partially for that reason.

I mean, Metroid fans welcomed Samus's VA from Other M into the fandom despite all the criticism she got from her performance and had no problem with aspects of that game's combat being in Samus Returns. Meanwhile Star Wars fans bully Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran off of social media and act like the films are unsalvageable train wrecks even though two of them received reviews on par with any other Star Wars movie. WTF?

Anyone who seriously thinks the sequel trilogy is feminist propaganda is basically a misogynist to me who just doesn't want to express it so blatantly. Goodbye.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Partially for that reason.

So you've crapped on it for three years and you're stunned that you're not the only one?

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I'm no fan of these films but I feel like the fanbase response towards them is nothing short of detestable.

Maybe the problem is I'm one of the most critical of the sequel trilogy out of the regular users of this board.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I'm no fan of these films but I feel like the fanbase response towards them is nothing short of detestable.

Maybe the problem is I'm one of the most critical of the sequel trilogy out of the regular users of this board.

Wow, it only took three years for you to realize this. You might develop self-awareness yet.


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It's a fun movie. The sequel trilogy unfortunately has 3 movies that feel like they're from 3 separate trilogies. Somewhere between a 2 and a 3 for me.

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