Current Events > Trump Trials General Part 14: Dawn of the criminal trials

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King_Rial
04/13/24 4:31:22 PM
#251:


divot1338 posted...
This is an election fraud trial
No, it isn't. He's charged with falsifying business records. We know he didn't to cover up his affairs before the election, but he isn't being charged with fraud.

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UltimateWing
04/13/24 4:54:59 PM
#252:


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1779193832288010532

Pretty much election interference, one of his favorite terms. Also, he violated gag orders again, attacking Michael Cohen.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1779197646852550718

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Cemith
04/13/24 4:56:13 PM
#253:


UltimateWing posted...


Pretty much election interference, one of his favorite terms. Also, he violated gag orders again, attacking Michael Cohen.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1779197646852550718

Time for another stern slap on the wrist!

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darkace77450
04/13/24 4:58:54 PM
#254:


"...disgraced attorney and felon Michael Coehn..."

So much for only hiring the best. And yes, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to perjury.
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ClayGuida
04/13/24 5:00:42 PM
#255:


Yes, Michael Cohen went to jail for lying.

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darkace77450
04/13/24 5:02:38 PM
#256:


In 2016, Trump ran on draining the swamp. In 2024, he claims the swamp is trying to unfairly prosecute him for crimes he didn't commit. If he didn't drain the swamp in four years as president, why do his supporters think he deserves a second bite at the apple?
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divot1338
04/13/24 5:08:19 PM
#257:


King_Rial posted...
No, it isn't. He's charged with falsifying business records. We know he didn't to cover up his affairs before the election, but he isn't being charged with fraud.
What?

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King_Rial
04/13/24 5:14:24 PM
#258:


divot1338 posted...
What?
Typo. I meant "we know he did it to"...

Thank you for getting that before I couldn't edit. For some reason, even though typos make me die a little bit inside, I still don't read over my shit to make sure it isn't full of typos.

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ClayGuida
04/13/24 5:27:11 PM
#259:


darkace77450 posted...
In 2016, Trump ran on draining the swamp. In 2024, he claims the swamp is trying to unfairly prosecute him for crimes he didn't commit. If he didn't drain the swamp in four years as president, why do his supporters think he deserves a second bite at the apple?
Because project 25 will remove those obstacles.

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Irony
04/13/24 5:32:56 PM
#260:


UltimateWing posted...
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1779193832288010532

Pretty much election interference, one of his favorite terms. Also, he violated gag orders again, attacking Michael Cohen.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1779197646852550718
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Kradek
04/13/24 6:34:37 PM
#261:


King_Rial posted...
No, it isn't. He's charged with falsifying business records. We know he did it to cover up his affairs before the election, but he isn't being charged with fraud.

Bragg is prosecuting it as an election interference case because Trump was trying to cover up the Daniels affair from the American people as he was afraid it would come out during the election and had the story not been killed by the National Enquirer, whose head was working in coordination with Trump to buy and kill stories like this, it would have came out like 2 weeks or so before the election, which would surely have been close enough to the election in order to sway it. If I'm not mistaken this is how he got it bumped up to a felony instead of a civil case and what had so many legal analysts worrying and talking shit about the case for the longest time, as the documentation used to sentence Cohen has already been established and is the basis for holding Trump account for this crime, which would normally be less severe were it not for the angle of Trump suppressing the story from the American people to win the election.

The only thing incorrectly said by the poster you quoted is they said election fraud instead of election interference.

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thronedfire2
04/13/24 6:40:40 PM
#262:


Kradek posted...
Bragg is prosecuting it as an election interference case because Trump was trying to cover up the Daniels affair from the American people as he was afraid it would come out during the election and had the story not been killed by the National Enquirer, whose head was working in coordination with Trump to buy and kill stories like this, it would have came out like 2 weeks or so before the election, which would surely have been close enough to the election in order to sway it. If I'm not mistaken this is how he got it bumped up to a felony instead of a civil case and what had so many legal analysts worrying and talking shit about the case for the longest time, as the documentation used to sentence Cohen has already been established and is the basis for holding Trump account for this crime, which would normally be less severe were it not for the angle of Trump suppressing the story from the American people to win the election.

The only thing incorrectly said by the poster you quoted is they said election fraud instead of election interference.

he also allegedly used campaign funds too didn't he?

you can't use campaign funds to pay off escorts and porn stars

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FortuneCookie
04/13/24 6:41:20 PM
#263:


He in prison yet?
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Kradek
04/13/24 6:52:05 PM
#264:


thronedfire2 posted...
he also allegedly used campaign funds too didn't he?

you can't use campaign funds to pay off escorts and porn stars

Well yeah, that's how it ties into the Cohen case.

Everything applicable to Cohen's trial & conviction is applicable to Trump because it was literally Trump who ordered him to do it. Trump is guilty of the same crime as he's the only reason Cohen committed the criminal activity, so on that front they have all the documentation they need and it's already been proven.

What Bragg is arguing, and what elevated it to a felonious case, is that Trump didn't do this to keep it secret from his wife (we all know Trump doesn't give a fuck about trying to hide something like this from Melania), but that he did it to hide it from the American people in an election year so he could win the election, and had the people had this information so close to the election, it could have drastically changed the outcome.

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King_Rial
04/13/24 9:07:37 PM
#265:


Kradek posted...
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Yeah... Quite literally none of what you said was even remotely necessary because I'm well aware of what the case is and what he is charged with. Read back what the actual line of dialogue from us was.

GTA1984 said he believes Trump likely won't go to jail over this. Takuya_Lee said Trump would talk himself into a cell. I said I don't think sentencing guidelines would account for that. Then divot1338 "This is an election fraud trial not some kind of financial mismanagement."

But this is indeed a trial about falsifying business records. That's the actual crime. Again, we all pretty much know why he did it. But that's motive, not the crime itself.

The burying of the story is not actually a crime. Catch and Kill is not illegal. And it's not Election Interference to do so. The actual crime here was how he went about it. That's the illegal part.

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thronedfire2
04/13/24 9:09:58 PM
#266:


Trump is never ever going to go to 'jail'. for one thing, jail is where you go for minor crimes while you wait to see a judge. prison is another thing entirely.

even if Trump gets convicted he isn't going to a regular prison. it would be a security and logistical nightmare. he'll be sent to a 100 acre ranch under witness protection where he's not allowed on the internet or any social media and can't see anyone without secret service approval.

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King_Rial
04/13/24 9:11:42 PM
#267:


thronedfire2 posted...
he also allegedly used campaign funds too didn't he?

you can't use campaign funds to pay off escorts and porn stars
The alleged use of campaign funds is what makes this a felony. That would be the crime outside of fraud that elevated this from a misdemeanor to a felony, in the state of New York.

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mystic_belmont
04/13/24 9:13:16 PM
#268:


They should really get to the bottom of why Michael Cohen is a felon.

It's a mystery.

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King_Rial
04/13/24 9:15:52 PM
#269:


thronedfire2 posted...
Trump is never ever going to go to 'jail'. for one thing, jail is where you go for minor crimes while you wait to see a judge. prison is another thing entirely.
Technically, if your sentence is a year or less, you can be sentenced to jail. You can have a felony conviction with a 1 year sentence and be sent to Rikers.

Not saying that will happen here, but it has happened before and is possible.

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Block_that_Kick
04/13/24 9:54:41 PM
#270:


I feel so devastated for him.

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1778954056280469617

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mystic_belmont
04/13/24 9:56:21 PM
#271:


Maybe if Trump stopped braking the law, he wouldn't be on trial.

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CADE_FOSTER
04/13/24 9:57:39 PM
#272:


Block_that_Kick posted...
I feel so devastated for him.

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1778954056280469617
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darkace77450
04/13/24 10:30:33 PM
#273:


Block_that_Kick posted...
I feel so devastated for him.

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1778954056280469617

A Stalinist-like trial? Stalin wouldn't have bothered with a trial. Trump and his supporters would have been lined up against a wall and shot. And Mark Levin knows this.

It is also represents the greatest effort to interfere with and steal a federal election in American political history.

Yeah, the prosecution of the man who conspired to steal the 2020 election is the greatest attempt to steal a federal election in American history.

unconstitutional impeachments

Trump's two impeachments were by the books.

relentless Democrat Party-media attacks

Because the right wing media never attacked Obama or Hillary or Biden, right?

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creativerealms
04/13/24 10:32:57 PM
#274:


Block_that_Kick posted...
I feel so devastated for him.

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1778954056280469617
If he was right there would be no trial. Trump would have just been arrested, or killed, or both.

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04/13/24 11:03:06 PM
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GTA1984
04/14/24 1:05:31 AM
#275:




Never before has a president sought to imprison his political opponent in Trumps case, a former president running for president again and who holds leads in the most crucial battleground states. Biden is seeking to clear the field like Vladimir Putin did before his phony election....
If Biden really was trying to poison the opposition then why has it just been Trump?Remember after the 2022 mid-terms Trump's star was fading and it seemed like DeSantis was going to be the front runner for Republicans in 2024. Why didn't DeSantis get indicted about a year ago as well as Trump?

Donald Trump is, in fact, the most persecuted man in America legally and politically...
More so than all the civil rights leaders who lost their lives trying to promote equality? More so than the native Americans who were forced to journey to Oklahoma?

attempts to bankrupt him and destroy his businesses with a preposterous law...
Isn't it odd complaints about the New York fraud seldom falls back on whether or not Trump done it and more on the law that was used on him?

the criminalization of the law by Democrat prosecutors in four cases brought in four different jurisdictions and totaling 91 cooked up charges
Do they really need this many charges in this many jurisdictions if it is all a witchhunt? Wouldn't a few charges in on place be damaging enough?

the use of a criminal warrant and an FBI SWAT team to search his home
All could have been avoided had Trump simply returned the documents. The fact he deleted footage and told people they didn't know anything about the documents shows that he knew he was in the wrong.

the denial of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendment rights denying ...competent representation
Maybe if Trump would actually pay his lawyers he could get competent representation...

denying him a jury trial
Typically the Letitia James case in New York is a bench trial. Trump might have been able to get a jury trial had his lawyers filed a motion requesting it. If they had no clue it would be a bench trial and they would have to request a jury trial whose fault is that?

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/24 1:45:34 AM
#277:


Block_that_Kick posted...
I feel so devastated for him.

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1778954056280469617
I am not really a big history buff but I think Stalin's idea of a trial was shooting you in the back of your head.

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toreysback
04/14/24 4:39:03 AM
#278:


stalin had trials. the defendant had already been arrested and jailed and held until trial.

so the trial was held, but the punishment had already begun.

as noted above, he also just had people shot too

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GranAures
04/14/24 4:53:51 AM
#279:


GTA1984 posted...
the denial of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendment rights
What does 2A have to do with this? Is he wishing Trump was allowed to draw on the FBI and "fear for his life?"

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Kradek
04/14/24 1:02:44 PM
#280:


toreysback posted...
stalin had trials. the defendant had already been arrested and jailed and held until trial.

so the trial was held, but the punishment had already begun.

That's how it works in the U.S. as well if you can't post bail, which ultimately makes it a "fuck you poor people" system.

At least in the U.S. that time counts towards your sentence.

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creativerealms
04/14/24 1:36:12 PM
#281:


toreysback posted...
stalin had trials. the defendant had already been arrested and jailed and held until trial.

so the trial was held, but the punishment had already begun.

as noted above, he also just had people shot too
This is what they want. They are claiming that's what Biden is doing so that if they gain power, all they are doing is what is being done to them

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toreysback
04/14/24 1:57:31 PM
#282:


those who stalin had arrested were not permitted to remain at their dacha in sochi before trial. those that stalin had arrested were not permitted lengthy interviews in pravda or whatever the soviet radio system was called calling the legitimacy of the upcoming trial into question.

there is no meaningful analogy between stalin's justice system and the treatment the US system has provided trump.

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creativerealms
04/14/24 2:48:25 PM
#283:


toreysback posted...
those who stalin had arrested were not permitted to remain at their dacha in sochi before trial. those that stalin had arrested were not permitted lengthy interviews in pravda or whatever the soviet radio system was called calling the legitimacy of the upcoming trial into question.

there is no meaningful analogy between stalin's justice system and the treatment the US system has provided trump.
I agree with you 100 percent. This is about lying to the republican base and hoping they win in November, then they can try to copy Putin's Russia.

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toreysback
04/14/24 3:10:04 PM
#284:


i get you. thing is, tho, if you want to compete on that level, the response needed would not be the logical explanation, it would be more along the lines of "no stalinist! no stalinist! you're the stalinist!"

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tremain07
04/14/24 7:15:33 PM
#285:


Almost time. Maybe he's finally run out of plot armor

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Humble_Novice
04/14/24 7:18:04 PM
#286:


There had better not be a last minute plot twist that enables Trump to walk free.

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UltimateWing
04/14/24 8:15:07 PM
#287:


I do hope that Judge Merchan addresses the gag order violations tomorrow. Also, I hope the judge is willing to hold Trump in contempt should he try to walk out of the courtroom without being instructed to. It should be a bigger difference in criminal court compared to civil court.

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CableZL
04/14/24 9:35:35 PM
#288:


So Trump is gonna have to be in court tomorrow morning Itll definitely be interesting to see if the prosecution brings up the gag order violation(s). New York law prohibits cameras in the courtroom, but I wish there would be an exception made for this an all of Trumps trials.

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CADE_FOSTER
04/14/24 10:36:06 PM
#289:


would love to see Trump crying
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Humble_Novice
04/14/24 10:37:32 PM
#290:


CableZL posted...
So Trump is gonna have to be in court tomorrow morning Itll definitely be interesting to see if the prosecution brings up the gag order violation(s). New York law prohibits cameras in the courtroom, but I wish there would be an exception made for this an all of Trumps trials.
Good thing we have courtroom artists.

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_____Cait
04/14/24 10:38:09 PM
#291:


So is trump gonna face a consequence or will he be able to continue ruining democracy

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mystic_belmont
04/14/24 10:45:43 PM
#292:


So, no last minute delays?

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RchHomieQuanChi
04/14/24 10:47:16 PM
#293:


mystic_belmont posted...
So, no last minute delays?

BREAKING: On April 15, 2024 at approximately 6:34 am EST, Trump "miraculously" trips and breaks his legs and is rushed into the ER. Will not be able to attend trial.

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lilORANG
04/15/24 8:24:31 AM
#294:


I mean jury selection will take weeks, right? How big is this panel? I would not want to handle that voir dire lol.

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Heineken14
04/15/24 8:32:48 AM
#295:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
BREAKING: On April 15, 2024 at approximately 6:34 am EST, Trump "miraculously" trips and breaks his legs and is rushed into the ER. Will not be able to attend trial.

*later that day at a Donnie rally*

"Many people are saying I broke my legs. Didn't. Great legs. Great legs. People often come up to me, tears coming out of their face. Out of their ears. Tears from everywhere. They say. They say to me "Sir, your legs. How do you have such great legs? Nobody has ever seen legs as great as these. Crooked Hillary doesn't even have legs." It's true. It's true. Anyway, Crooked Barry. I call him Barry. Crooked Barry who I am running against for president, from stolen election..........

You get the idea.

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Irony
04/15/24 8:33:07 AM
#296:


The perfect legs

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toreysback
04/15/24 8:41:14 AM
#297:


strong men walk up to him with ears in their eyes, saying "Sir, those are the finest legs i've ever seen"

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King_Rial
04/15/24 8:41:38 AM
#298:


Beautiful legs. Believe me.

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CableZL
04/15/24 8:49:51 AM
#299:


https://Twitter.com/tylermcbrien/status/1779831631831867395?s=46

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CableZL
04/15/24 9:11:15 AM
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https://Twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1779859813263978950?s=46

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