Board 8 > What four games are on the Mario Games Mount Rushmore?

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:16:42 PM
#51:


The wild Mario 3 disrespect around here

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FFDragon
03/10/24 1:17:51 PM
#52:


1
World
64
Super Kart

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:19:02 PM
#53:


The truth is kinda that neither 3 or World belong. The Wii/DS era was huge and not leaving it with some sort of representative is insane. 64 was a lot more important to 3D platformers than SMB3 was to 2D platformers.

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Lopen
03/10/24 1:20:16 PM
#54:


On a gaming Rushmore I'd include SM64 way before SMB3 just because I'm not sure 3D era gaming really goes the same if it's a bunch of Crash Bandicoots.

On a Mario Rushmore I consider SMB3 the most essential include aside from SMB1 for me.

I really think people aren't realizing just how many formative SMB concepts debuted in 3.

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Snake5555555555
03/10/24 1:20:58 PM
#55:


I just don't see the need to have both SMB3 & SMB1 since they essentially represent the same era of the series.

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:23:49 PM
#56:


Snake5555555555 posted...
I just don't see the need to have both SMB3 & SMB1 since they essentially represent the same era of the series.

I mean they came out on the same console sure

But Mario 3 ushered in the new era of the series

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:24:53 PM
#57:


LightningStrikes posted...
That game A) brought multiplayer into the series which became the default, B) brought the platformers back into the mainstream in a way they hadnt been for a while, and C) was one of the main selling points for the Wii at its peak.

A) Yoshi being introduced in World sounds about as big of a deal. Yoshi is in nearly every game going forward, and has his own series. But otherwise a fair point.
B) Maybe? Rayman and Donkey Kong would come back after, but that's all I could think of for mainstream titles. I guess Kirby threw in multiplayer too, but casual mainstream platformers is still a tiny genre.
C) Eh who cares? The Wii is a dubious era to celebrate anyways because it clearly had fad-like properties. But even then every mario game is a best-selling game for its console.

So I can agree World can get replaced, but I'm not convinced NSMBWii deserves it more. Maybe if that original NSMB game didn't exist I would do it.

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:26:18 PM
#58:


Snake5555555555 posted...
I just don't see the need to have both SMB3 & SMB1 since they essentially represent the same era of the series.

It's like how RE1 and RE2 both deserve to be on the RE rushmore.

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xenosaga
03/10/24 1:26:36 PM
#59:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8
NSMB Wii

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:26:57 PM
#60:


pjbasis posted...
The Wii is a dubious era to celebrate anyways because it clearly had fad-like properties.
What exactly does this mean

No really, what? Every single video game has fad like properties, that's how releases work. Every single console drops sales over time, too.

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:28:13 PM
#61:


Also I'm not sure why the Wii/DS era demands representation

The Wii was massively popular for a time and then people soured on it

Nobody is clamoring for a NSMBWii HD or a remake or anything like that. Nobody misses that game.

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ZenOfThunder
03/10/24 1:29:14 PM
#62:


YES

feed me more Mario discourse

this is why I make these topics

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:29:39 PM
#63:


Hbthebattle posted...
What exactly does this mean

No really, what? Every single video game has fad like properties, that's how releases work. Every single console drops sales over time, too.

He means it's a fad in the sense that it was actually a fad

People thought the Wii was cool. People no longer think the Wii is cool.

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LightningStrikes
03/10/24 1:31:03 PM
#64:


To be clear Im not actually arguing for NSMBWii to get on, Im more making the point that most Super Mario games are highly influential to the series and to gaming in general. Its still the biggest franchise in the medium for a reason.

My actual passion pick is Mario Kart 8. But I should save my energy for tomorrow when I will need to make an impassioned argument for It Happened One Night lol.

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:32:35 PM
#65:


Hbthebattle posted...
Every single console drops sales over time, too.

The Wii dropped BIG by the time even Skyward Sword came out, and it was till two years off the ill-fated Wii U. 2010-2017 is the dark era of Nintendo and the Wii is part of that.

People talk about the Wii like it was the old Switch, but that party only lasted like half the lifespan of the Switch, which has clearly proven itself to be much more.

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Xeybozn
03/10/24 1:32:52 PM
#66:


Xeybozn posted...
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
New Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart 8

Replace NSMB with NSMBWii

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Lopen
03/10/24 1:34:00 PM
#67:


Snake5555555555 posted...
I just don't see the need to have both SMB3 & SMB1 since they essentially represent the same era of the series.

I don't see the reason to include Washington and Jefferson

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:34:04 PM
#68:


Leonhart4 posted...
Also I'm not sure why the Wii/DS era demands representation

The Wii was massively popular for a time and then people soured on it

Nobody is clamoring for a NSMBWii HD or a remake or anything like that. Nobody misses that game.
Leonhart4 posted...
People thought the Wii was cool. People no longer think the Wii is cool.
yeah ok sure whatever

where's the people demanding a SMB3 remake? Where's the kids nowadays demanding their parents buy them an NES? This is a ridiculous argument because it implies the most relevant Mario games are Galaxy 2 and the first 3 Paper Mario games. People have not soured on every single Wii game, that's ridiculous.


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Lopen
03/10/24 1:35:46 PM
#69:


SMB3 is what made Mario cute and pop (mainstream friendly)

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:38:15 PM
#70:


pjbasis posted...
The Wii dropped BIG by the time even Skyward Sword came out, and it was till two years off the ill-fated Wii U. 2010-2017 is the dark era of Nintendo and the Wii is part of that.
Zelda just did not do anywhere close to Mario numbers until BotW. But if we're talking "there's no wii nostalgia", Skyward Sword HD was asked for and then made. Several other Wii games were too, like Kirby's Return to Dream Land HD.

The ratio of Skyward Sword/Twilight Princess sales is HIGHER than SMB3/SMB1 sales. All video game consoles have game sales drop off as their lifespan continues.


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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:39:22 PM
#71:


This is literally the first mention of NSMBWii I've heard in literally years

That game is forgotten except when someone wants to argue Mario 3 is outdated in this topic

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:39:40 PM
#72:


Hbthebattle posted...
where's the people demanding a SMB3 remake?

It's already on the switch...

By remake he probably meant like an HD rerelease. (I think a New Super Mario Bros. Collection is very possible one day)

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swirIdude
03/10/24 1:40:26 PM
#73:


Donkey Kong
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8

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Snake5555555555
03/10/24 1:40:41 PM
#74:


Maybe there's an argument to be made that SMB1 doesn't need to be on it then!

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:41:09 PM
#75:


Hbthebattle posted...
All video game consoles have game sales drop off as their lifespan continues.

Yeah you're right I guess there's no difference between the ps2 dropping off 10 years after it's released and the atari jaguar within 1 year.

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:41:46 PM
#76:


Lopen posted...
SMB3 is what made Mario cute and pop (mainstream friendly)
Mario had TV shows before SMB3 ever made it to the west. Mario was pop culture since Donkey Kong.

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Snake5555555555
03/10/24 1:42:31 PM
#77:


pjbasis posted...
It's like how RE1 and RE2 both deserve to be on the RE rushmore.

Not necessarily...!

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:44:20 PM
#78:


Snake5555555555 posted...
Not necessarily...!

Bah humbug.

What are you puttin on besides 2 and 4 and 7?

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MacArrowny
03/10/24 1:44:29 PM
#79:


Topic needs more people arguing about whether Donkey Kong deserves a spot imo

pjbasis posted...
It's already on the switch...

By remake he probably meant like an HD rerelease. (I think a New Super Mario Bros. Collection is very possible one day)
Super Mario RPG got a full remake. Why not SMB3, a much more popular game?

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:45:33 PM
#80:


pjbasis posted...
Yeah you're right I guess there's no difference between the ps2 dropping off 10 years after it's released and the atari jaguar within 1 year.
How many of the bestselling PS2 games came out in the latter half of that, again?

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:46:14 PM
#81:


MacArrowny posted...
Topic needs more people arguing about whether Donkey Kong deserves a spot imo
I'm not sure it's eligible, but if it is it definitely belongs on, yeah.

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:47:00 PM
#82:


MacArrowny posted...
Super Mario RPG got a full remake. Why not SMB3, a much more popular game

It already got one! It's called Super Mario All-Stars!

And Super Mario RPG is hella popular...

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Snake5555555555
03/10/24 1:47:07 PM
#83:


pjbasis posted...
Bah humbug.

What are you puttin on besides 2 and 4 and 7?

REmake of course :P

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MacArrowny
03/10/24 1:47:40 PM
#84:


ZenOfThunder posted...
DK counts as a Mario game


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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:47:54 PM
#85:


Mario 3 and Mario World don't really need to be "remade" per se. They're both perfectly playable as is.

Mario 3 was one of the first HD re-releases in Mario All-Stars anyway.

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 1:48:30 PM
#86:


Also get Donkey Kong outta here

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:48:58 PM
#87:


pjbasis posted...
It already got one! It's called Super Mario All-Stars!

All-Stars is itself ancient. Why aren't people asking for it to be remade.
(Hint: the answer is Mario Maker for all of these questions)

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:49:14 PM
#88:


Hbthebattle posted...
How many of the bestselling PS2 games came out in the latter half of that, again?

Probably about as many as the Wii? Skyward Sword and Galaxy 2 are the only games I can think of in that 2010-2013 space. Maybe Kirby was in there?

PS2 definitely had God of War II and Persona 4 post-ps3 release. (the wii was buried by the time wii u came out, in time to bury itself)

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tazzyboyishere
03/10/24 1:49:55 PM
#89:


Drop World, Add Donkey Kong

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:50:03 PM
#90:


Yeah ok if DK counts
Hbthebattle posted...
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
New Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart 8

Love em or hate em, the NSMB series is huge and probably deserves representation. Open to arguments though (maybe Mario Maker?)
Swap NSMB for Donkey Kong


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lordjers
03/10/24 1:50:12 PM
#91:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:52:43 PM
#92:


Snake5555555555 posted...
REmake of course :P

cheater! cheater! All versions should be combined!

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WhiteLens
03/10/24 1:52:54 PM
#93:


Donkey Kong
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario 64

Y'all forgetting the game Mario debuted in.

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:52:59 PM
#94:


yeah but there's the rub: you guys are including 1 AND 3 AND World. In other words, the only era you guys think matters is the NES/SNES/64 - in other words, gamefaqs on its usual bullshit.

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ctesjbuvf
03/10/24 1:53:27 PM
#95:


Ifrit posted...
Mario 3 took Mario from "Fireflower + Super Mushroom" to "Fireflower, Super Mushroom, Tanooki Suit, Kuribo Shoe, Frog Suit, Raccoon Tail, and Hammer Suit." It also introduced a world map, the modern version of Bowser, gave us the koopalings, thwomps, Boom Boom, the Koopalings. Mario 3 was truly the next step of Mario after Mario 1. Moreso than World, which I'd be more likely to replace than SMB3.

I mean most of those power ups got removed again. You could also say World introduced ghost houses, Yoshi, Magikoopas, Wiggles and of course most importantly secret exits and special worlds with more difficulty which feels like a bigger deal than the Bros 3 stuff, although Bros 3 coming first is an argument for that one.

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LeonhartFour
03/10/24 1:54:36 PM
#96:


And most of that stuff got brought back too

When Nintendo wants to do nostalgia pulls in Mario games, they almost always pull from 3 or World for a reason (and 64 occasionally in stuff like Galaxy 2)

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pjbasis
03/10/24 1:54:57 PM
#97:


It's really not a surprise to think that earlier games had more infuence on an old genre.

Other genres and franchises would obviously have newer reps. I mean no one is doubting BotW gets on Zelda's or Metroid Prime for Metroid. Ya crying just to cry

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 1:56:42 PM
#98:


pjbasis posted...
Probably about as many as the Wii? Skyward Sword and Galaxy 2 are the only games I can think of in that 2010-2013 space. Maybe Kirby was in there?
That's my point! All consoles experience this trend. The exact numbers might not be the same, but the ratios and proportions are consistent.

pjbasis posted...
It's really not a surprise to think that earlier games had more infuence on an old genre.

Other genres and franchises would obviously have newer reps. I mean no one is doubting BotW gets on Zelda's or Metroid Prime for Metroid. Ya crying just to cry
sorry but less people care about the old and busted than the new hotness. That's just how it is.

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LeonhartFour
03/10/24 1:57:07 PM
#99:


Hbthebattle posted...
yeah but there's the rub: you guys are including 1 AND 3 AND World. In other words, the only era you guys think matters is the NES/SNES/64

3, World, and 64 will be in the top 5 most popular Mario games wherever you go, not just here

I'd sooner drop 1 than any of those three but its overall impact is kinda undeniable (unlike Donkey Kong)

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Snake5555555555
03/10/24 1:57:37 PM
#100:


pjbasis posted...
cheater! cheater! All versions should be combined!

Survivor then since it made first-person RE a thing!

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