Current Events > Israel/Palestina War XIII - Lets steal some more land from the West Bank

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CommonStar
03/23/24 3:04:28 PM
#401:


MrMolinaro posted...
Trying to blame him for the Republican budget is beyond stupid.
Okay, so why would you blame him for shutting down the government rather than the Republicans?
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ButteryMales
03/23/24 3:12:25 PM
#402:


We've been through the shutdown dance over and over. The blame always go to the Republicans and they cave.
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MrMolinaro
03/23/24 3:19:41 PM
#403:


CommonStar posted...
Okay, so why would you blame him for shutting down the government rather than the Republicans?

I didnt say that I would. The blame for all shutdown threats is always with the Republicans. The only reason they have the leverage to block UNRWA funding is because of the previous round of shutdown bullshit that only got us 3 months of government funding.
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ScazarMeltex
03/23/24 3:21:49 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
Israel says they will invade Rafah, no matter what.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-invade-rafah-no-203418024.html
Then they can do it without an ounce of American aid going forward. Ever again.

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Cheater87
03/23/24 3:26:06 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Then they can do it without an ounce of American aid going forward. Ever again.

Sadly that will never happen, it will cost Biden the election.

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darkace77450
03/23/24 3:29:46 PM
#406:


MrMolinaro posted...
Both sides is never an intelligent response.

Both sides are enabling this ethnic cleansing.
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Foppe
03/23/24 3:31:26 PM
#407:


I mean, it should be easy to find proof if any side is against it, right?

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Trumble
03/23/24 4:34:53 PM
#408:


MrMolinaro posted...
Both sides is never an intelligent response.
Wrong. It's often used in an unintelligent manner, but in a case like this where one side is openly supporting Israel and the other is saying they don't while still very much supporting them behind closed doors, it is perfectly correct to be calling out both sides.

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MrMolinaro
03/23/24 4:40:46 PM
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Trumble posted...
Wrong. It's often used in an unintelligent manner, but in a case like this where one side is openly supporting Israel and the other is saying they don't while still very much supporting them behind closed doors, it is perfectly correct to be calling out both sides.

When one side is trying to starve refugees and the other is trying to stop weapons transfers to the people bombing the refugees, its safe to say that both sides arent the same. While I will grant that both parties are disappointing on the issue, just as with every other possible topic, both sides is a lazy false equivalence.
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darkace77450
03/23/24 4:42:20 PM
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MrMolinaro posted...
When one side is trying to starve refugees and the other is trying to stop weapons transfers to the people bombing the refugees, its safe to say that both sides arent the same.

Which side is trying to stop the weapon transfers?
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MrMolinaro
03/23/24 4:49:21 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
Which side is trying to stop the weapon transfers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/22/israel-gaza-arms-transfer-law/

A group of 17 Democratic senators is calling on the Biden administration to reject Israels claims that it is not violating international law by restricting humanitarian aid amid a growing debate in Washington over whether the United States should suspend arms transfers to the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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Trumble
03/23/24 4:52:05 PM
#412:


MrMolinaro posted...
When one side is trying to starve refugees and the other is trying to stop weapons transfers to the people bombing the refugees, its safe to say that both sides arent the same. While I will grant that both parties are disappointing on the issue, just as with every other possible topic, both sides is a lazy false equivalence.
On the other hand, when the second side is only talking the talk and not delivering any actual action to stop weapons transfers, and has even explicitly facilitated weapons transfers on several occasions... both sides becomes very, very valid again.

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SHRlKE
03/23/24 4:54:13 PM
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Really hope Israel dont go into Rafah. Would be an absolute shit show.

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darkace77450
03/23/24 4:58:26 PM
#414:


MrMolinaro posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/22/israel-gaza-arms-transfer-law/

I'll see your 17 Democrats trying to stop the sale of weapons to Israel and raise you a Democratic President who bypassed Congress on multiple occasions to sale weapons to Israel.
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Scardude
03/23/24 5:34:31 PM
#415:


Trumble posted...
On the other hand, when the second side is only talking the talk and not delivering any actual action to stop weapons transfers, and has even explicitly facilitated weapons transfers on several occasions... both sides becomes very, very valid again.
US really made politics into a sports team instead of a functioning government.. I guess when they removed all the ability of a third party government to form. This is the result.

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ButteryMales
03/23/24 5:42:06 PM
#416:


Scardude posted...
US really made politics into a sports team instead of a functioning government.. I guess when they removed all the ability of a third party government to form. This is the result.
U.S. was first past the post since the beginning.

Third parties getting in to power isn't a fix in itself as Israel has multiple parties and it didn't fix anything. Benjamin Netanyahu partnered with the even more right wing crazies to stay in power.

The underlying system in the U.S. and Israel is the problem.
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Trumble
03/23/24 5:46:23 PM
#417:


ButteryMales posted...
U.S. was first past the post since the beginning.

Third parties getting in to power isn't a fix in itself as Israel has multiple parties and it didn't fix anything. Benjamin Netanyahu partnered with the even more right wing crazies to stay in power.

The underlying system in the U.S. and Israel is the problem.
It's not an automatic fix, but it would enable other options to exist if a third party could be elected.

Which on a side note, it actually can be if people damn well vote for one.

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IceCreamOnStero
03/23/24 9:42:24 PM
#418:


MrMolinaro posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/22/israel-gaza-arms-transfer-law/
Quick question, how do you think the Biden administration will end up responding to this?

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Neo
03/24/24 1:47:43 PM
#419:


UN experts demand investigation into claims Israeli forces killed, raped and sexually assaulted Palestinian women and girls

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html

Edit: Looks to be a bit of an old article. Did Israel allow the investigation?

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Zoks
03/24/24 2:21:05 PM
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Last I saw they wanted to get the US officials that acknowledged it fired.

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Ricemills
03/24/24 4:40:11 PM
#421:


Neo posted...
Edit: Looks to be a bit of an old article. Did Israel allow the investigation?

We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong


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bkilla
03/24/24 4:49:47 PM
#422:


Time to release the hostages.

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CommonStar
03/25/24 10:56:30 AM
#423:


https://twitter.com/UN_News_Centre/status/1772272727866388505
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ai123
03/25/24 11:00:04 AM
#424:


BBC News - Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815

Shimon has lived in Gaza in the past and claims a God-given right to return.
"We must do it. It's part of Israel area," he says. "This is the land that God gave us, and you couldn't go to God and tell him, 'OK you gave me, and I gave to other people.' No. I believe in the end we will go back to Gaza."
I ask what this means for the Palestinians.
"They have 52 other places to go in the world," he says, "52 Muslim countries". He says the new Gaza will be "another Tel Aviv".

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ThyCorndog
03/25/24 11:17:09 AM
#425:


literally only the settlers make this about religion. does being christian mean you can just go live in the congo or colombia or italy or anywhere else, just because you share the religion? why does that standard only get applied to muslims? you don't "have somewhere to go" just because the other place has your same religion

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Foppe
03/25/24 12:18:27 PM
#426:


CommonStar posted...
https://twitter.com/UN_News_Centre/status/1772272727866388505
Israel got angry at USA, PM Netanyahu decided to cancel a delegation to Washington that was slated to discuss alternatives to a Rafah ground operation.

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SHRlKE
03/25/24 12:54:38 PM
#427:




wow Hamas calls for immediate ceasefire and exchange of prisoners https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/482a90ed.jpg

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CobraGT
03/25/24 12:57:49 PM
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*confetti*


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Foppe
03/25/24 1:10:22 PM
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But will Israel follow it?

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Cheater87
03/25/24 1:12:08 PM
#430:


Foppe posted...
But will Israel follow it?

Of course not!

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Zikten
03/25/24 1:13:16 PM
#431:


Cheater87 posted...
Of course not!
Then they should be globally condemned and lose all foreign aid
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Charged151
03/25/24 1:14:13 PM
#432:


Foppe posted...
But will Israel follow it?
They might follow it for a little bit if it means more hostages get released...but I feel an invasion of Rafah is inevitable.

Zikten posted...
Then they should be globally condemned and lose all foreign aid
Israel is not a poor country. They can buy the weapons they need. No reason they should get foreign aid.

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ThyCorndog
03/25/24 1:26:34 PM
#433:


Foppe posted...
But will Israel follow it?
no cuz they don't want the hostages back. the hostages give them a constant excuse to keep bombing and killing

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Takuya_Lee
03/25/24 1:28:40 PM
#434:


ThyCorndog posted...
no cuz they don't want the hostages back. the hostages give them a constant excuse to keep bombing and killing

But they will lose the public if they don't at least try. Hostage rescuing is big in their culture.

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bkilla
03/25/24 1:30:41 PM
#435:


Cheater87 posted...
Of course not!

Nor should they.

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Foppe
03/25/24 1:36:25 PM
#436:


Now thats an old alt.

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Foppe
03/25/24 1:46:07 PM
#437:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-stop-working-with-unrwa-gaza-government-spokesperson-says-2024-03-25/

Israel will stop working with the U.N. Relief Works Agency in the Gaza Strip, a government spokesperson said on Monday, accusing the aid agency of perpetuating conflict.
"UNRWA are part of the problem, and we will now stop working with them. We are actively phasing out the use of UNRWA because they perpetuate the conflict rather than try and alleviate the conflict," spokesperson David Mencer told reporters.

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ClayGuida
03/25/24 1:47:36 PM
#438:


Israel has gone full Iraq.

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Takuya_Lee
03/25/24 1:49:09 PM
#439:


ClayGuida posted...
Israel has gone full Iraq.

Sigh. Never go full Iraq....

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Sir_Will
03/25/24 1:51:49 PM
#440:


Takuya_Lee posted...
Hostage rescuing is big in their culture.
I mean, that should always be the goal for any group.

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CommonStar
03/25/24 2:57:50 PM
#441:


https://twitter.com/LailaAlarian/status/1772317189174854017

The NYT article "Scream without Words" has largely now been debunked multiple times to the point where NYT themselves also debunks. Yet, they still stand by that original article and refuse to retract it. Insane.
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MrMojoRising
03/25/24 3:18:11 PM
#442:


NYT continues to reach new lows of journalistic malpractice tbh. Some of the people who wrote and researched that story worked for Israeli intelligence.

They rely on Yossi Landau and Zaka heavily, which have both been shown to be liars and partisans who do the right wing government's bidding or parrot/think up lies for them.

Electronic Intifada, Grayzone, Mondoweiss all reported this months ago shortly after the story came out. Still, no major outlet was covering the lie for weeks until The Intercept came out with their story.

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CobraGT
03/25/24 8:50:53 PM
#443:


Foppe posted...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-stop-working-with-unrwa-gaza-government-spokesperson-says-2024-03-25/

Israel will stop working with the U.N. Relief Works Agency in the Gaza Strip, a government spokesperson said on Monday, accusing the aid agency of perpetuating conflict.
"UNRWA are part of the problem, and we will now stop working with them. We are actively phasing out the use of UNRWA because they perpetuate the conflict rather than try and alleviate the conflict," spokesperson David Mencer told reporters.


I was not aware that Israel was working with UNRWA.

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Trumble
03/25/24 9:59:48 PM
#444:


CobraGT posted...
I was not aware that Israel was working with UNRWA. (And I am not being sarcastic)
Well you see, UNRWA are Hamas (/s) and Israel funds Hamas (I wish this part was /s too), so...

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Foppe
03/26/24 1:54:54 AM
#445:


CobraGT posted...
I was not aware that Israel was working with UNRWA. (And I am not being sarcastic)
Israel controls the borders so you kinda need to work with them if you want to send in 200+ aid trucks daily.

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CobraGT
03/26/24 2:06:39 AM
#446:


Foppe posted...
Israel controls the borders so you kinda need to work with them if you want to send in 200+ aid trucks daily.

It was thoughtless of me to think Israel could not be less cooperative. Thank you for explaining.


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03/26/24 11:04:34 AM
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bkilla
03/26/24 11:55:42 AM
#447:


Foppe posted...
Israel controls the borders so you kinda need to work with them if you want to send in 200+ aid trucks daily.

Egypt has a border too. Let's be accurate. Anyways, Hamas has rejected another ceasefire offer (6 weeks, 40 Israelis for 700 terrorist exchange), so the Rafah incursion should be starting soon.

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Foppe
03/26/24 12:00:03 PM
#448:


bkilla posted...


Egypt has a border too. Let's be accurate. Anyways, Hamas has rejected another ceasefire offer (6 weeks, 40 Israelis for 700 terrorist exchange), so the Rafah incursion should be starting soon.
700 terrorists or 700 "terrorists"?

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DnDer
03/26/24 12:19:14 PM
#449:


Foppe posted...
700 terrorists or 700 "terrorists"?

We all know which one he meant.

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