Current Events > Are the soldiers of the IDF actually worse human beings than the Russian Army?

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Israeli soldiers aren't sitting in cold trenches in fear of drones dropping grenades on them

Has the IDF done anything on par with what we saw in Bucha? There was some really depraved shit that Russian troops did to civilians and I'm not just talking about executions and airstrikes.

Look, all I'm saying is I've seen plenty reports of people fleeing/betraying the Russian army, and I haven't heard any similar stories from the IDF.

Even though they are objectively less severe repercussions for doing so to the Israeli government than the Russian government.

The power disparity between Russia and Ukraine isn't nearly as big as that between Israel and Gaza. There's a much larger risk of a Russian soldier actually dying in combat than there is for an Israeli soldier. Thus, self-preservation is an obvious motive for Russian soldiers to flee/surrender at the first opportunity.

Likewise, Russia is simply a bad place to live for most people. Especially for the ethnic minorities who are vastly overrepresented among Russia's conscripted soldiers. Even while under Russian bombardment, Ukraine is still probably a better place to live than anywhere in Russia that's not Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and possibly some of the other large cities like Novosibirsk and Nizhny Novgorod. So defecting to Ukraine would be a lifestyle upgrade. And even better if they could flee to western Europe or America.

There's also the fact that while Ukrainians have been oppressed many times by Russia throughout Russian history, Russians never grew up being taught that Ukrainians are their mortal enemy. While that is exactly what Israelis grew up being taught about Palestinians.

Your joking right? The gap in power between Russa and Ukriane is far greater. Russia is one of the most powerful nations in the world...and no can help Ukraine because otherwise Putin will destroy the entire planet while Israel is surrounded by nations that hate them and want to destroy them just for being Jews.

Is this supposed to be a joke? If that were true, Russia would be winning easily instead of suffering vastly greater losses than Ukraine. Whereas Israel is "fighting" an opponent that essentially has no military power at all.

The narrative of "everybody around Israel is out to destroy them" is just the propaganda that Israel uses to justify their continued ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. And Putin's empty threats of nukes are something the West should've stopped paying any attention to years ago.

Your joking right? The gap in power between Russa and Ukriane is far greater.

As I'm sitting here trying to figure out what's worse I realize that there's literal Neo Nazis in the Russian army at all ranks and the fact that this is still a hard question knowing that is starting to bother me.

All it takes is a few nukes to mess up the world and Putin has thousands and Putin IS starting to win because its sheer larger size is grinding Urkane apart and the traitors in the Congress in America are not helping by stopping the support for Ukraine out of sheer treason.

Its not propaganda when even now countless nations like Iran and Yemen are attacking Israel clearly showing that so many nations around it will always seek to destroy a Jewish state and have been trying to do so for decades.

So Putin is winning by continually dumping barely and untrained soldiers into a meat grinder. That is not power. The myth of Russia's powerful military has been s***tered with their struggles in Ukraine and nobody fears his empty nuke threats. Even if he gave the order he wouldn't live long after and they most likely would not be carreid out and he knows that.

Was there ever a story where Russia was floating the idea of flooding a tunnel and risking the lives of hostages?

Maybe the Russia war kinda stopped being covered. But I don't remember hearing stuff like that or them killing civilians waiting for food trucks.

The gap in power between Russa and Ukriane is far greater.

Who is supporting Palestine? Literally nobody.

The idf is pretty bad but you are wildly misinformed if you think they have been as bad as Russias army in Ukraine.

We have already discovered mass graves and we know they have been raping and executing civilians and pows.

They purposefully deploy neo nazis and convicted killers.

The idf is pretty bad but you are wildly misinformed if you think they have been as bad as Russias army in Ukraine.

Israel has killed about 20 times as many children in about one-fifth of the time, compared to Russia.

Israeli soldiers aren't sitting in cold trenches in fear of drones dropping grenades on them

Russians aren't fighting those who would do the same thing if the tables were turned. One lesson of Gaza is that "underdog" is not a permanent designation.

Russians aren't fighting those who would do the same thing if the tables were turned. One lesson of Gaza is that "underdog" is not a permanent designation.

Nah they're just in their diapers and accidentally shooting each other in friendly fire incidents.

So the Azov fuckers who thinks Putin's a Jew and their mission is part of a race war doesn't count right?

And LOL @ thinking that every Palestinian who fights back are Hamas.

So you think that Israel is just as bad as Hamas. Noted.

So you think that Israel is just as bad as Hamas. Noted.

You have misinterpreted my subtle point. Israel had been the underdog for a long time, surrounded by enemies dedicated to it's destruction. But at this exact moment, Gaza is the underdog. A main goal of the October 7 attack was to rally renewed support in the Arab world to turn the tables again. That failed, for now (or did it succeed, in the public relations sense?). I'm making no statement about how "bad" anybody is.

Nabela thought the United Nations school in Gaza City was a safe haven. Then, the Israeli army arrived.

Soldiers stormed the place, ordering men to undress and hauling women to a mosque for strip searches, she said. So began six weeks in Israeli custody that she says included repeated beatings and interrogations.
The soldiers were very harsh, they beat us and screamed at us in Hebrew, said the 39-year-old from Gaza City, who spoke on condition that her last name not be used for fear of being arrested again. If we raised our heads or uttered any words, they beat us on the head.

Putin wishes his army was as effective as the IDF.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226977365/israel-idf-gaza-middle-east-deaths

At least 1/5 of the IDF deaths are caused by friendly fire though

At least Russia is fighting an actual military with support from a superpower. The IDF is just massacring people.