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Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

And what if Aliens find different constants in the universe to measure against derive their units?

Ones that we haven't discovered or even considered?

Or even base their units on measurements on things that we don't consider "Constant"?

What we've discovered via science might not the be the end all be all at the moment.

We're constantly discovering new things over time.

If they are able to travel the stars, they might know more about science than we do and use completely different ways of measure that are different/better than what we do.

Of course we've not discovered everything yet. On top of that, our units are very much based on Earth centric measurements. However, those measurements will be the same wherever in the universe we make them.

I don't know what units that spacefaring aliens will use, but I guarantee they will be based on constants. For example, how do you measure 1/86400 of an earth day if you're nowhere near earth?

This topic: Why is USA not using metric?
B.b.but what if we discover aliens that uses a different measure system!!!

CassandraCroft posted...

Let me show you something:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d166af62.jpg

That's also a map of countries that landed men on the moon.
https://youtu.be/Ssnw2GA657s

Paragon21XX posted...

That's also a map of countries that landed men on the moon.
https://youtu.be/Ssnw2GA657s

I already said that in post 43.

reincarnator07 posted...

I don't know what units that spacefaring aliens will use, but I guarantee they will be based on constants. For example, how do you measure 1/86400 of an earth day if you're nowhere near earth?

You know what will be hilarious, the first Alien humans meet, their standards aren't based on a "Universal Constant" but use a arbitrary measurement like we used to do.

TC almost got it. Add Fahrenheit for weather temperatures being objectively better. The short scale ~0-100F, give or take, allows it to be more precise in a degree-to-degree basis. That, and a scale meant to measure water freezing and boiling is simply a poor way to measure weather temperatures humans care about - about 70% of the scale is enough to kill humans, and thus irrelevant. Fahrenheit ironically does the base 10 = easier to remember model of temperatures better than Cel for weather.

CassandraCroft posted...

Oh really?

Try telling that to the 192 countries of the planet that use Celsius some of whom have been doing that for over 200 years.

Try telling that to the US Scientific community, The National Weather Service and NASA who all use the metric and Celsius systems.

I think you will find that only stuck in midval times Yankeeland thinks that true.

I'm just going to keep posting this every time some miserable salty Brit wants to lecture Americans about the metric system. AT LEAST WE DON'T STILL USE FUCKING STONES.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc0aa8e5.jpg

Paragon21XX posted...

That's also a map of countries that landed men on the moon.
https://youtu.be/Ssnw2GA657s

jumi posted...

I already said that in post 43.

Jamaica and Belize landed men on the moon? Damn, I must have missed that
Foppe posted...

This topic: Why is USA not using metric?
B.b.but what if we discover aliens that uses a different measure system!!!

No shit lol

If America went metric what would happen to songs like I cant drive 55?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

TC almost got it. Add Fahrenheit for weather temperatures being objectively better. The short scale ~0-100F, give or take, allows it to be more precise in a degree-to-degree basis.

I don't get this "precision" about weather issue at all.

1) There is no precision about weather temperatur anyways. Currently it's 11C / 52F in my city according to my weather app. There is no way that this is correct for all of my city anyways.

2) the apparent temperature varies even more because of stuff like wind and humidity.

52F on one day doesn't feel like 52F on another day, and you won't notice a difference of +/- 1 F either.

So what's the benefit of "more precision" there?

Karovorak posted...

I don't get this "precision" about weather issue at all.

1) There is no precision about weather temperatur anyways. Currently it's 11C / 52F in my city according to my weather app. There is no way that this is correct for all of my city anyways.

2) the apparent temperature varies even more because of stuff like wind and humidity.

52F on one day doesn't feel like 52F on another day, and you won't notice a difference of +/- 1 F either.

So what's the benefit of "more precision" there?

Setting my A/C temperature in Celsius would be a pain in the ass but not in Fahrenheit.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Fahrenheit > Celsius actually

Literally the entire world disagrees with you.

divot1338 posted...

Setting my A/C temperature in Celsius would be a pain in the ass but not in Fahrenheit.

+1C is +1.8F. If you are able to notice this 0.8F difference to make it "a pain in the ass", okay, but...

My A/C is in +/- 0.5C steps, so I can configure it in 0.9F steps.

What's "the pain in the ass" in there?

Karovorak posted...

What's "the pain in the ass" in there?

The only pain in the ass for people like him is adapting to anything unfamiliar.

GunmaN1905 posted...

The only pain in the ass for people like him is adapting to anything unfamiliar.

For real.

"Fahrenheit makes much nicer 10-Degree steps!"
"Yeah, just use 5-Degree steps in Celsius if you want them, and you are fine."

"Fahrenheit is much more precise than Celsius!"
"That's why we use the decimal numbers if the accuracy is needed (like in body temperature)".

Karovorak posted...

+1C is +1.8F. If you are able to notice this 0.8F difference to make it "a pain in the ass", okay, but...

My A/C is in +/- 0.5C steps, so I can configure it in 0.9F steps.

What's "the pain in the ass" in there?

The dial is in Fahrenheit.

Karovorak posted...

"Fahrenheit is much more precise than Celsius!"
"That's why we use the decimal numbers if the accuracy is needed (like in body temperature)".

They never do for weather though

Karovorak posted...

I don't get this "precision" about weather issue at all.

It's more precise degree over degree, since there's less of a leap in 1F , compared to 1C. And humans are extremely sensitive to minute temperature variations (i.e., 72F definitely feels different than 73F), meaning F is a more accurate read out, since the variation between 1 degree in C is too large.

And yes, using decimals could solve this, but no one does, and it's clumbsy.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It's more precise degree over degree, since there's less of a leap in 1F , compared to 1C. And humans are extremely sensitive to minute temperature variations (i.e., 72F definitely feels different than 73F), meaning F is a more accurate read out, since the variation between 1 degree in C is too large.

And yes, using decimals could solve this, but no one does, and it's clumbsy.

I would challenge anyone to tell the difference between 72 and 73f in a blind test.

According to google, that's 22.22 and 22.78c. If only there was an easy way of allowing for a difference of 0.5 degrees...

reincarnator07 posted...

I would challenge anyone to tell the difference between 72 and 73f in a blind test.

According to google, that's 22.22 and 22.78c. If only there was an easy way of allowing for a difference of 0.5 degrees...

lol who uses half degrees lol

Paragon21XX posted...

lol who uses half degrees lol

People that believe they need the precision?

reincarnator07 posted...

People that believe they need the precision?

Who cares about scientists lol? We're talking about Joe Blow here lol.

reincarnator07 posted...

I would challenge anyone to tell the difference between 72 and 73f in a blind test.

I could snap my fingers and find you hundreds. This is extremely common. Hell, have you ever lived with a woman?

Paragon21XX posted...

Who cares about scientists lol? We're talking about Joe Blow here lol.

If one believes they can perceive the difference, then they would fall under "People that believe they need the precision".

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I could snap my fingers and find you hundreds. This is extremely common. Hell, have you ever lived with a woman?

I was married. We never worried about a difference less than half a degree C.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I could snap my fingers and find you hundreds. This is extremely common. Hell, have you ever lived with a woman?

Even worse, I was in a large shared office room with a dozen coworkers.

"Who turned down the heating?!?? It's freezing in here!"
<Checks heating>

Oops, no one did.

*Replace with AC/cooling during summer.

For weather, Fahrenheit makes more sense. It's based on a scale of 0-100 which EVERYONE is acquainted with.
Temperatures can occur outside of them, sure, but 0 and 100 are extremely natural upper limits.

Roughly -20 to 45 are cartoonishly arbitrary, provided you're not extremely invested in knowing if water is going to freeze or not.

Somebody have never experienced freezing rain.

LostForest posted...

For weather, Fahrenheit makes more sense. It's based on a scale of 0-100 which EVERYONE is acquainted with.
Temperatures can occur outside of them, sure, but 0 and 100 are extremely natural upper limits.

Roughly -20 to 45 are cartoonishly arbitrary, provided you're not extremely invested in knowing if water is going to freeze or not.

Everyone in the US is accquainted with Fahrenheit.

Outside of the US, EVERYONE is accquainted with Celsius, no cartoons involved.

Karovorak posted...

Everyone in the US is accquainted with Fahrenheit.

Outside of the US, EVERYONE is accquainted with Celsius, no cartoons involved.

US is the only country that matters, all other countries are cartoons!!!

/s

Karovorak posted...

Everyone in the US is accquainted with Fahrenheit.

Outside of the US, EVERYONE is accquainted with Celsius, no cartoons involved.

I said everyone is acquainted with a scale of 0-100 and what it fundamentally symbolizes. Even the metric system itself is based on a system ten.

Have you ever taken a test before? Do you not understand the idea of 0 being an upper limit and 100 being an upper limit?

LostForest posted...

I said everyone is acquainted with a scale of 0-100 and what it fundamentally symbolizes. Even the metric system itself is based on a system ten.

Have you ever taken a test before? Do you not understand the idea of 0 being an upper limit and 100 being an upper limit?

Why should there be some made up limit for temperature that isn't true anyways?

0-100 is just as arbitary, 50F isn't 50% hotness at all. And 25F isn't half as hot as 50F either.

Please take a look at how Fahrenheit and Celcius were defined at first, before you call any of them "cartoonish arbitrary".

Hint: Fahrenheit was also defined by freezing water.

LostForest posted...

For weather, Fahrenheit makes more sense. It's based on a scale of 0-100 which EVERYONE is acquainted with.
Temperatures can occur outside of them, sure, but 0 and 100 are extremely natural upper limits.

Roughly -20 to 45 are cartoonishly arbitrary, provided you're not extremely invested in knowing if water is going to freeze or not.

That's great if your location fits that 0-100F scale. Many do not.

On top of that, I really don't get this obsession with a 1-100 scale for something that doesn't scale linearly. Literally the rest of the world functions fine with Celsius, so it's not like there's a struggle. It purely comes down to what you're used to. The big issue comes when you have to convert between systems, which is literally only an issue with America.

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We just use a decimal point here, although the only thing I see it on here is the boiler. I legit cannot tell a difference of only a couple of degrees, especially when there are other factors contributing to how weather feels.

reincarnator07 posted...

The big issue comes when you have to convert between systems, which is literally only an issue with America.

Most people are telling you that Americans are fine with it, if we need to convert, that's our problem.
We can deal with it just fine.

You can use your Metric System and not convert to US Customary units if you don't want to.
Just keep everything in Metric and don't worry about US Customary units.

We'll do the conversions when we need to.

Why do you feel the need to force everybody else to assimilate to your system?

Are you the Borg? Do you need everybody to think and do things the exact same way?

When Aliens become friends with humanity, will you try to force the Metric System on them as well?

If they don't comply and don't care, what will you do?

Karovorak posted...

Everyone in the US is accquainted with Fahrenheit.

Outside of the US, EVERYONE is accquainted with Celsius, no cartoons involved.

And every one of those countries are worse off for it.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

Why do you feel the need to force everybody else to assimilate to your system?

Are you the Borg? Do you need everybody to think and do things the exact same way?

When Aliens become friends with humanity, will you try to force the Metric System on them as well?

If they don't comply and don't care, what will you do?

If you didn't notice, it's currently the US people who go around in this topic saying that Fahrenheit is "objectivly better" or makes "more sense" and that Celsius is "cartoonishly arbitrary" and that our countries are "worse off" for using it.

Never did I say that Celsius is superior at all.

But when I hear others making up some arguments like "EVERYONE is acquainted with it, so it's better!", ofc I shake my head and say "wtf, no".

Karovorak posted...

If you didn't notice, it's currently the US people who go around in this topic saying that Fahrenheit is "objectivly better" or makes "more sense" and that Celsius is "cartoonishly arbitrary" and that our countries are "worse off" for using it.

It's better for human usage for temperature control of HVAC/Heating/Cooling units, but only in that instance.
Granted that's a very common use case.

I still prefer using Celsius for figuring out if my Electronics are overheating since if you're anywhere near 100C, your CPU/GPU will have a very bad time.

The (1-100)C scale is superior for electronics temperature stability and easier to understand.

Never did I say that Celsius is superior at all.

There are some folks that believe Celsius/Metric is superior to all, along with trying to force the last hold-out of measurement systems to convert.

But when I hear others making up some arguments like "EVERYONE is acquainted with it, so it's better!", ofc I shake my head and say "wtf, no".

It's better for us in the US, you folks have already converted and prefer to stay converted.

Those in Canada:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a56c35f9.jpg

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I could defo see that for plants and I'd want a similarly precise system if my plants were so sensitive. I think that's one of the reason most of my indoor plants are succulents. I only wish some of my weeds outside were so easy to kill!

I can also feel the difference in single degrees in our house, too. I'm a nerd about it and built some in-home automations around temperature and what we are doing. Like if one of us starts a work out (elevated heart rate), I'll drop the temp in the house down a few degrees until heart rate returns to normal.

Honestly same here and that makes perfect sense. It kinda has to be planned in here though due to a lack of AC. The only way to dump heat is time.

Paragon21XX posted...

That's also a map of countries that landed men on the moon.
https://youtu.be/Ssnw2GA657s

Appeal to popularity is all Croft has.

reincarnator07 posted...

I only wish some of my weeds outside were so easy to kill!

houseplant: *dies if you give it one drop of water too much*

outdoor weed: *grows through a sidewalk*

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

It's better for human usage for temperature control of HVAC/Heating/Cooling units, but only in that instance.
Granted that's a very common use case.

I still prefer using Celsius for figuring out if my Electronics are overheating since if you're anywhere near 100C, your CPU/GPU will have a very bad time.

The (1-100)C scale is superior for electronics temperature stability and easier to understand.

There are some folks that believe Celsius/Metric is superior to all, along with trying to force the last hold-out of measurement systems to convert.

It's better for us in the US, you folks have already converted and prefer to stay converted.

Those in Canada:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a56c35f9.jpg

The concept of using multiple scales of the same dimension just because it's a different object (but still of comparable size) that gets measured eludes me anyways.

"This panel is 1.83 meter in height"
"This person is 6 ft in height"

"This panel is 1.90 meter in height"
"The person is 6.23 ft (or 6' 2.8'')"

That seems like an unnecessary pain in the ass, and the metric system has the base 10 for unit conversion as an advantage in most situations.

Of course the base 10 argument is completly void for Celsius, so there is no difference between Fahrenheit and Celsius at all.

And the accuracy simply depends on what you are doing. My AC is managed in 0.5C steps, my baking oven in 10C (i think. I actually would have to check it again).

Weather is in simple full C, but it doesn't matter that much, because every gust of wind, and any kind of humidity, changes the perception of temperature much more than +1C air temperature could do.

Karovorak posted...

The concept of using multiple scales of the same dimension just because it's a different object (but still of comparable size) that gets measured eludes me anyways.

Try living in Canada and dealing with people who uses both systems.

It's normal, and it'll probably be that way for quite the forsee-able future.

I use both Metric & US Customary here in the US.

Depending on what I want, I'll switch between the two.

e.g.

Do you prefer your Monitor/TV/Display size in "Diagonal Inch's" or "Diagonal Centimeters".

For me: "Diagonal Inch" has a more meaningful impact change in Display Area, so I prefer at least whole "Diagonal Inch increment" changes.

But for Monitor Bezels, I prefer the bezel to be 5 mm on all sides if possible on LapTops/Desktop.

Worst case scenario, I'd want 1 cm / 10 mm to be the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM Bezel thickness for DeskTops.

LapTops need to follow Dell's design trend and be 5 mm on all sides.

In the current era, displays needs smaller & smaller Bezels to look good.

If you can get rid of them completely w/o risking the displays structural integrity, so be it.

But since Structural Integrity & protection of the delicate panel needs to be considered, some amount of protective bezel usually must exist.

For Human Height: how accurately can you measure/guesstimate a persons height w/o using any actual measuring tools.

The only thing you have is your eye-balls and limbs to guess by.

How accurate can you be w/o measuring tools?

I think you can easily get down to the decimeter by stacking objects that are close to a decimeter in size on top of each other.
Usually my fist is about a decimeter wide and I can stack them one on top of each other for a rough guesstimate.

If stacking foot steps on top of each other when the persons lying down, I can get down to individual feet with some fuzziness / change.

Metric for everything. Imperial in the garbage where it belongs.

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I had a giant bramble root that I pulled out (that I was very proud of getting!) and left on the patio almost as a trophy due to my laziness. A month down the line it was trying to grow again.

This is still so wild to me that places will not have AC. I've only experienced that in some European countries and San Francisco. It's the opposite of where I live (Austin), where we barely use the heater. Today's high is 86 F... in February.

It's not so much that we won't have it, it's just that it's a lot of work to add in to the homes here for the couple of weeks where it would be useful. It's not unusual for homes here to predate electrically powered air conditioning. It's not economic. Most newer builds will incorporate air conditioning.

Karovorak posted...

Everyone in the US is accquainted with Fahrenheit.

Outside of the US, EVERYONE is accquainted with Celsius, no cartoons involved.

Well, of course, you can make any system work. You could make it a base 25 system or something, and it would still "work" for people.

The point of this topic is, what is preferred. C "works", but it's actually a lesser system than F for weather temperatures is the point.

Revisited posted...

Also explains the Celsius thing, because besides it already making sense, it's just easier to determine temperature at a glance (if it's in the 10s it's very cold, if it's in the 20s it's nice and cool, if it's in the 30s it's considerably warm, if it's in the 40s it's sweltering hot, and 50... you dead)

I prefer it this way.
below-10 -- get indoors idiot
10-30 --- sub-freezing, really cold.
30 to 45 --- cold, approaching freezing
50 to 65 -- brisk
65 to 75 -- nice
75 to 85 -- warm
85 to 95 -- hot
95 to 110 -- fucking hot
110 and up -- dying