Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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Karovorak posted...

There are literally people in this topic defending this, claiming it's the best for waiters, and calling others "gutter trash tier", when the issue is the US culture of exploiting their employees.

This just another form of "'No way to prevent this,' says only nation where this regularly happens".

Well then change the nation. Is not tipping actually going to force employers to pay their employees a livable wage? Or is it essentially a useless form of protest? I'd stop tipping right now if I believed that would somehow directly lead to change.

I've spent enough time in America to have vitriol for employers, customers, and even other workers. When you're treated like shit by a customer, you don't go "Ah well I can't be mad. It's my employers fault for not protecting me! The customer is blameless!"

BlueKat posted...

She's mad at the wrong person. It's not the customer's fault she isn't being paid a livable wage

This.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

Dinner for two is like 150 bucks these days lol.

I took my gf out to the beach to eat and get a drink. An appetizer, one drink each, and a meal for each was $75. I don't remember what I tipped the lady, I let my gf write the tip. She used to be a waiter and I just deferred to her on what to tip. I think it was 15

Smackems posted...

This.

So if a bunch of customers screamed insults at you and caused a scene, you would go "I'm only mad at my employer. Maybe they should have fixed the culture so I wasn't subject to this"?

pazzy posted...

People like her are one of the many reasons I don't eat out anymore.

That's very understandable

hockeybabe89 posted...

So if a bunch of customers screamed insults at you and caused a scene, you would go "I'm only mad at my employer. Maybe they should have fixed the culture so I wasn't subject to this"?

What

hockeybabe89 posted...

So if a bunch of customers screamed insults at you and caused a scene, you would go "I'm only mad at my employer. Maybe they should have fixed the culture so I wasn't subject to this"?

Are you that shit at this you get screamed at? This is why you aren't getting tips, Erica.

Smackems posted...

What

Nonsense. Seriously. Anyone screaming at a customer for not paying enough is ridiculous.

Incidentally, the reason I don't go is because it causes things like this to happen. And furthermore, it makes waiters have a nasty tendency to treat people that "look poor" worse. Which leads to them getting inferior tips for inferior service, and then they have the same attitude that this hockey person has about it.

Nothing good came from tipping culture, so I just pass on eating out altogether.

I had a ln Uber Eats deliverer gets angry at me because he thought I left no tip

In reality they just changed the app so that you can only tip after the delivery is made. So that's why he wasn't seeing tips on his receipt initially.

I told him I didn't see the prompt to tip at the moment and that I normally do but he didn't believe me at the time and was upset. After a while I defended myself and told him if he has a problem he needs to take it up with Uber not me, and he should leave me alone and go about his day.

People really get crazy and emotional over tips sometimes, when in reality is all optional at the end of the day. I used to work as a cashier, and bartender at a sports stadium, some days we got tips which was cool and others we didn't. But the days that we didn't I wasn't standing their upset at the customers that they didn't give me extra money on top of their order. Some people just get entitled

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Yeah, but that's them buying something for THEM that they worked for themselves. Your boss didn't earn me paying part of your wage just because he won't pay you properly/you don't have a proper job.

You're giving a company your own money for them to use as they see fit. How is that not unjust to you? You are giving your money away to someone else for a service.

Deutschenlied posted...

You're giving a company your own money for them to use as they see fit. How is that not unjust to you? You are giving your money away to someone else for a service.

Because one is a product and the other is your wage?
I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them *for* you.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Because one is a product and the other is your wage?
I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them *for* you.

Hell in many ways with other companies in the food industry its the same thing its only when you have a wait staff that tipping becomes a problem. You arent t tipping your local McDonalds staff anything extra since they get paid a living wage.

Deutschenlied posted...

You're giving a company your own money for them to use as they see fit. How is that not unjust to you? You are giving your money away to someone else for a service.

And? The person tipped here regardless.

pazzy posted...

Nonsense. Seriously. Anyone screaming at a customer for not paying enough is ridiculous.

Incidentally, the reason I don't go is because it causes things like this to happen. And furthermore, it makes waiters have a nasty tendency to treat people that "look poor" worse. Which leads to them getting inferior tips for inferior service, and then they have the same attitude that this hockey person has about it.

Nothing good came from tipping culture, so I just pass on eating out altogether.

I've never experienced any of this and I'm definitely a poor

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Are you that shit at this you get screamed at? This is why you aren't getting tips, Erica.

What alternate reality do you live in where employees only get yelled at by customers because they actually suck at their job?

The average person who yells at an employee is unjustified. And the average person who doesn't tip isn't doing it as protest or because of their "principles"

A good person will never, ever, take their anger out on an employee or any innocent person. Don't like tipping? Fight for changes and force employers to comply via law. You aren't fixing shit by not tipping. The right people are not suffering when you do it. This is exactly like not voting to punish Democrats. It ignores all the people who aren't the problem that will suffer your decision.

Baha05 posted...

Hell in many ways with other companies in the food industry its the same thing its only when you have a wait staff that tipping becomes a problem. You arent t tipping your local McDonalds staff anything extra since they get paid a living wage.

tbh, i don't want to go somewhere and have to think about the person serving me's living situation. I think that's fair enough, right? If I knew a place was paying below minimum wage, I'd choose not to support the business at all. How is it even the minimum wage if people are getting paid below that anyway?

Smackems posted...

I've never experienced any of this and I'm definitely a poor

Try going to a higher end restaurant. I once had a friend rant about it, and it translated to "white people good other races bad," as one of the many excuses for why they didn't give even service across the board.

In other words, some waiters and waitresses will be nice to people that think have money and then give inferior service to people they think don't have money.

Both the tipper and the waitress are assholes in this particular situation. That shit happens to servers on a regular basis, so going onto social media for clout is just being an attention hog.

the only comment I have about the tipping debate is that, based on my personal experience, I find it extremely annoying when people complain about "not making enough in tips" when every single restaurant job I worked at, the people who got tips (wait staff or delivery drivers) always made more money overall than the kitchen staff who are the ones who actually make the food and have to do a lot more work when it comes to cleaning the restaurant.

Nemu posted...

Both the tipper and the waitress are assholes in this particular situation. That shit happens to servers on a regular basis, so going onto social media for clout is just being an attention hog.

Why is the tipper an asshole for giving a tip?

pazzy posted...

Try going to a higher end restaurant. I once had a friend rant about it, and it translated to "white people good other races bad," as one of the many excuses for why they didn't give even service across the board.

In other words, some waiters and waitresses will be nice to people that think have money and then give inferior service to people they think don't have money.

I don't even know any high end restaurants

The one on the beach I went to is about the highest I've ever been to

I guess I'm so poor that these places are just unknown completely to me lol

I tip very generously but it's not an obligation, and $15 for one table isn't horrible so long as they aren't being rowdy or super demanding

pazzy posted...

Why is the tipper an asshole for giving a tip?

Everyone knows the standard range. You aren't fighting the system by being an asshole to the server. You fight the system by not patronizing businesses that require tips to fill wages.

8%? No class. Probably tourists or something.

Nemu posted...

Everyone knows the standard range. You aren't fighting the system by being an asshole to the server. You fight the system by not patronizing businesses that require tips to fill wages.

But then those waiters get nothing instead

I get what you're saying though. But that will probably never happen

Wait staff are never going to fight for the end of tipping culture because then they would, for the most part, make far less money than they do now.

LeCh0nk posted...

Wait staff are never going to fight for the end of tipping culture because then they would, for the most part, make far less money than they do now.

Citation needed

Baha05 posted...

Citation needed

Common sense, basic math, and talking to waiter friends.

LeCh0nk posted...

Common sense, basic math, and talking to waiter friends.

Again an actual citation needed.

How her ass?

Yeah if you ignore the price total, the 15$ would seem like a great tip. But stupid percentage system that we have been forced to become a norm makes them feel entitled to more.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Because one is a product and the other is your wage?
I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them *for* you.

They are fleecing you for those products and you happily pay them

Deutschenlied posted...

They are fleecing you for those products and you happily pay them

Thats not how that works.

Kinda scary how many people on CE hate workers and think the proper response to not liking store policies and norms is to ignore them, only harming the workers and doing nothing to the actual people responsible. Customers don't get a free pass to treat workers like dirt because the employers do shitty things. You can't ever take out your frustrations on the wrong people.

Looks like she calculated the tip after tax. I always calculate my tip before tax (Im not gonna tip you on taxes). Had she kept that in mind, the tip is actually a higher percentage than 8%.

There's definitely an argument to be made that there's a certain threshold where tips shouldn't be based on percentage of the bill anymore. I'm not going to begin to argue where the line is, but they're definitely has to be one. If I go to outback steakhouse and get a $20 ribeye or go to some fancy restaurant paying $2-300 for an A5 wagyu both waiters potentially provide the same level of service but only one should get tipped $4 and the other should get tipped $60? Doesn't make sense. The waitress from the op could have served 3 tables in a roughly 60-90 minute window, regardless of the total for each bill if those three tables tipped $15 each then the worst case scenario is $30/hr on top of her regular wage. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. But at the end of the day I'm sure almost everyone agrees that tips should be complementary to their salary, not supplementary.

Baha05 posted...

Thats not how that works.

How what doesn't work? We massively overpay for products for no reason other than for the rich to rake in profit for their bonuses. Why don't we protest that on principle? Why are we conforming to norms instead of pushing for change?

Baha05 posted...

Again an actual citation needed.

That line has always sounded like bullshit manufactured consent.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Well then change the nation. Is not tipping actually going to force employers to pay their employees a livable wage? Or is it essentially a useless form of protest? I'd stop tipping right now if I believed that would somehow directly lead to change.

I've spent enough time in America to have vitriol for employers, customers, and even other workers. When you're treated like shit by a customer, you don't go "Ah well I can't be mad. It's my employers fault for not protecting me! The customer is blameless!"

If paying a 15$ tip seems equals to "treating me like shit", then there is something beyond wrong.

And no, it's not the 15$ tip.

Deutschenlied posted...

How what doesn't work? We massively overpay for products for no reason other than for the rich to rake in profit for their bonuses. Why don't we protest that on principle? Why are we conforming to norms instead of pushing for change?

Because its still goods and services and we are not expected to pay retail workers tips for selling these items. Where as the food and hospitality industry is a weird thing since only specific areas with wait staff its expected to tip them for that is their wages but others its not expected. The only other exception would be delivery drivers are lumped into this and they get fucked hard as well.

As someone who worked in food service, she has the right to be upset, I get it. But taking a picture of it and posting it on social media is trashy as hell.

If they ordered 50 free water refills and a $5 plate of nachos would she have been happy with that tip?

Would $15 be a fair rate for the time spent on serving these customers?

I was thinking what I would tip in this same situation, and I think I would have added an additional ten dollars in there so my total would have been $210.

she gets around $26, everyone wins. Well not me lol cuz I just tipped $26 but ya know

I mean I always try to do at least 12 per
Deutschenlied posted...

How what doesn't work? We massively overpay for products for no reason other than for the rich to rake in profit for their bonuses. Why don't we protest that on principle? Why are we conforming to norms instead of pushing for change?

Because your not hurting the rich owners doing that. They don't care if you don't tip the wait staff.

Karovorak posted...

If paying a 15$ tip seems equals to "treating me like shit", then there is something beyond wrong.

And no, it's not the 15$ tip.

Customers and employers can both be wrong. Why can't you guys just follow societal norms and fight to change them in the meantime?

America is a shithole, but that's no excuse to not tip when tips are currently necessary.

Not tipping does not end tipping or restructure American society. All it does is get employees fired because employers will view them as shitty employees and they certainly aren't going to lose profits to pay them.

hockeybabe89 posted...

"She should take it up with her employer"

Cool, and while we're busy redoing American society, she and others will still be getting stiffed by assholes. Passing laws will remove tipping culture. Employers don't give a fuck about your civil disobedience. You aren't hurting them.

If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, employers would just wonder why their employees suck so bad at their jobs. It wouldn't fix anything.

Customers have no problem voluntarily overpaying for everything else and helping assholes make profit, but a tip that directly goes to a low-level employee? Well that's just a bridge too far! My money is not for paying other people!

How the fuck is $15 "getting stiffed"?

Nemu posted...

Everyone knows the standard range. You aren't fighting the system by being an asshole to the server. You fight the system by not patronizing businesses that require tips to fill wages.

And there isn't anything about fighting a system. It's stupid that if I order a bottle of liquor for $60 and that's the only thing I get, I'm expected to pay $12, but if I buy something for $10, suddenly $2 is fine. Again, this garbage is the reason I don't eat out. Screw people that think that me buying more expensive stuff means their tip should be more.

pazzy posted...

And there isn't anything about fighting a system. It's stupid that if I order a bottle of liquor for $60 and that's the only thing I get, I'm expected to pay $12, but if I buy something for $10, suddenly $2 is fine. Again, this garbage is the reason I don't eat out. Screw people that think that me buying more expensive stuff means their tip should be more.

Oh yes, the whole thing is dumb, but anyone who chooses to participate and stiffs the servers is just an asshole. Not participating is the correct answer for anyone vehemently against it.

If she has 3 other tables (minimum) and they all tipped that which is $16, she made $64 in an hour if they were all there 1 hour or $32 per hour if they were there for 2 hours.