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that would 100% prevent further attacks by terrorists

1. US (not UN) brings humanitarian aid to Gaza. Either side attacks US at their own risk.
2. All Palestinian refugees in Arab camps granted citizenship status (in those countries). Why are there no Palestinian refugees in the US? Because they are citizens.
3. Israel withdraws from West Bank.
4. Trade resumes between Israel and Palestine. As an increasing number of Arab countries have seen, it's better to make money trading with Israel than to repeatedly lose wars against it.

- Remove all Israelis from the illegal West Bank Settlements

- make the West Bank and Gaza an independent country

- expel joke countries like Syria and Russia from the UN, and have a UN peacekeeping force wipe out Hamas and enforce Palestinian sovereignty

As long as Hamas is supported by Western leftists who think all Israelis are 100% responsible for any pogroms against them, nothing will change. Hamas wants to provoke Israel into attacking them, and they would happily get everyone in Gaza killed in order to do this. At some point they will come after Westerners because they see them as the enemy too.

long as Hamas is supported by Western leftists who think all Israelis are 100% responsible for any pogroms against them, nothing will change.

What Western leftists in any kind of position of power are fully supporting Hamas and saying Israelis kind of deserve to be massacred?

r/poldersocialisme, the largest Dutch left subreddit who says Hamas isnt that bad and just defending itself against the evil capitalist Israel. They literally state all Israelis are bloodthirsty savage colonists who should go.

The problem isn't Hamas, it's the resentment and hatred over the injustices inflicted that allows groups like Hamas to operate

if we wanted an ally in the region we could have just found somebody else in the region.

What Western leftists in any kind of position of power are fully supporting Hamas and saying Israelis kind of deserve to be massacred?

What benefit is Hamas gaining from the backing of American college students? What have those college students achieved except their own blacklisting from future jobs?

Public goodwill is a powerful tool,

Just move Israel and its people. Idk whose bright idea it was to bring them back there in the first place.

We gain very little supporting them as much as we do, and if we wanted an ally in the region we could have just found somebody else in the region. Idk why our government is so obsessed with them.

Is it as powerful as actual power?

If it can let you get away with stuff then absolutely, one can lead to the other.

After the attack on the kibbutzes lots of people, here included, were saying that any violence against Israelis was all the fault of Israelis. Those student dorks at Harvard said it. Don't know why you're trying to weasel on about "leftists in a position of power," all that Hamas cares about is that they know a lot of Western leftists will now carry water for them until they are no longer needed. Doesn't matter if they have actual political power if they can distract everyone.

Have Hamas gotten away with anything?

Well multiple parties in my country are pro-Hamas and want Israel to disappear so absolutely. They even get funding from the same sources. Plenty of people in my country say Hamas is guilty of nothing but self defense.

Is fucking Turkey hating Jews really proof that Hamas is getting away with terrorism? The death and destruction doesn't seem to support that notion.

Well multiple parties in my country are pro-Hamas and want Israel to disappear so absolutely. They even get funding from the same sources

Is that "Western leftists," the original point of contention, or might the dynamics of Turkey be more relevant here than those of Harvard?

You guys do realize that Hamas would still want to kill all Jews even if Palestine was a free country and all settlers were removed, and that terrorists like Hamas feel the same "resentment and injustice" about the entirety of Western history, right? You're just digging your own grave if you start making excuses for terrorist groups that would kill everyone in the West if they could, including you. And the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism BY FAR are Muslims, so if you care about Muslims, you need to stop making excuses for literal terrorists.

Yes, western leftists. The dynamics of Turkey are just relevant to one party here since theyre a Turkish infiltrant party who want to Islamify The Netherlands.

I can see caring about innocents, but queers for Palestine is honestly a naive as hell movement.

would 100% prevent further attacks by terrorists

Its only naive if you believe emancipation is conditional on people believing in the things you do.

Can you point to Western leftists helping Hamas in any real way? Or is the party with two percent of the seats in one house of the Dutch legislature going to be your only cited example here?

Im from The Netherlands.

I feel for the innocents, but I sure as hell wont be part of a movement carrying signs for people who, despite being largely innocent, would cheer for my death.