Current Events > Biden, in Israel, says hospital blast caused by militants

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Dark_Arbron posted...

These events have exposed a lot of people actually.

I find it interesting how extremely (zealously) passionate people are getting about a war that has less effect on their lives than other wars that are currently happening. Like, no one in any of these topics I've seen has expressed having family or relatives in this area who they are concerned for--it's just who is the the bigger bad guy speak ( -_-)

The fact that western media is trusting the word of Hamas at face value is absurd. CNN, AP, Reuters etc. NEEDS to be better.

I hope this board learns it's lesson as well. It's the 2022 missile explosion in Poland all over again. Or the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.

It wasn't a hospital. It was a parking lot. 500 people didn't die. The missile didn't come from Israel. It was an Islamic Jihad rocket that malfunctioned.

WAIT FOR CONFIRMATION AND EVIDENCE BEFORE MAKING A CONCLUSION.

Prismsblade posted...

Idk why we should believe anything he has to say on this after the 40 babies fiasco.

I'm so confused. Wasn't it confirmed that they found decapitated babies?

emblem-man posted...

I'm so confused. Wasn't it confirmed that they found decapitated babies?

That turned out to be complete bull. They had 3 dead babies 2 burned to death and 1 physical trauma injuries but all of them still had their heads.

emblem-man posted...

I'm so confused. Wasn't it confirmed that they found decapitated babies?

The reporter who started back tracked her statement. I dont no if they just so happen to find them else where. But fir she Biden didn't see them at the time he made the claim

Dragon56 posted...

The fact that western media is trusting the word of Hamas at face value is absurd. CNN, AP, Reuters etc. NEEDS to be better.

Unless you have sources, none of those outlets are trusting the word of Hamas--they're just rightly not trusting the word of the IDF, except they kind of are...

Dragon56 posted...

It wasn't a hospital. It was a parking lot. 500 people didn't die.

While its clear it came from Gaza you might want to simmer down on this part.

The parking lot was right next to the hospital and the reason so many died is probably because people were crowding the area because of the conflict. There's hundreds of people crowding hospitals all over Gaza. Israel isn't at all helping itself when they say stuff like "but the hospital building wasn't damaged!", that's disingenuous as hell.

indica posted...

Unless you have sources, none of those outlets are trusting the word of Hamas--they're just rightly not trusting the word of the IDF, except they kind of are...

They absolutely were trusting the "local authorities of Gaza". And so was everyone here.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That turned out to be complete bull. They had 3 dead babies 2 burned to death and 1 physical trauma injuries but all of them still had their heads.

Pretty sure there's more than 3 but that they released images of 3 bodies.

Shadow_Don posted...

Pretty sure there's more than 3 but that they released images of 3 bodies.

Well yeah there's been a lot of fighting even before they released the photos but there was never "40 decapitated babies"

Dragon56 posted...

They absolutely were trusting the "local authorities of Gaza". And so was everyone here.

Attributing =/= trusting

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17acnur/msnbc_raises_questions_about_israeli_claims/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a6obc/theyre_trying_to_claim_it_was_a_hamas_missile/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a6jwb/netanyahuappointed_israeli_digital_spokesperson/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17ag02q/israel_doesnt_stop_lying_here_the_full_video_they/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a72w3/a_video_from_inside_alahly_baptist_hospital_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17amai4/alahli_im_confused/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a8xis/proof_israel_bombed_the_hospital/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a9q6f/comparison_between_hamas_rockets_and_us_jdam/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17ai763/bbc_journalist_its_hard_to_see_what_else_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a7g1n/a_popular_israeli_telegram_channel_with_85000/

ZaruenKosai posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/

You don't think that a Palestine subreddit might have a bias?

Dragon56 posted...

They absolutely were trusting the "local authorities of Gaza". And so was everyone here.

No, they weren't and you failed to provide sources to back that up ( -_-)

CE will always be a reactionary echochamber but wow did the media drop the ball on this.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed.

Back to topic - as much as I want to believe the President, the gaff during the speech last week has me very skeptical about this. You just dont know who to believe anymore.

yep. And when the rich and evil rage war its the poor who die

Trelve posted...

Is it really so unreasonable to wait for investigations to be conducted into this by intelligence agencies before we can say who did it?

The most reasonable take.

Dragon56 posted...

The fact that western media is trusting the word of Hamas at face value is absurd. CNN, AP, Reuters etc. NEEDS to be better.

I hope this board learns it's lesson as well. It's the 2022 missile explosion in Poland all over again. Or the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.

It wasn't a hospital. It was a parking lot. 500 people didn't die. The missile didn't come from Israel. It was an Islamic Jihad rocket that malfunctioned.

WAIT FOR CONFIRMATION AND EVIDENCE BEFORE MAKING A CONCLUSION.

Rampant antisemitism is the least surprising thing in the world.

If it isn't eye opening that people will take the good word of a terrorist organization over waiting for any outside evidence or confirmation.

To be clear, I overwhelmingly agree with your post.

This is the position the Western media is willing to fight for.

The egregious reporting must be called out. We need to do better.

Treasure posted...

Rampant antisemitism is the least surprising thing in the world.

If it isn't eye opening that people will take the good word of a terrorist organization over waiting for any outside evidence or confirmation.

To be clear, I overwhelmingly agree with your post.

This is the position the Western media is willing to fight for.

The egregious reporting must be called out. We need to do better.

What the ever loving fuck are you two talking about. Like honest to god what are you talking about. The media is very pro Israel. And the reason people were reporting that Israel did it, but because at first they said it was them and blamed terrorist for hiding in the hosptial. Beyond that people still believe the story about the babies that was not a lie, and the Media push that without question. Beyond that Israeli army killed American Reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, lied about it for months and blamed the Pals. And people are still give the benefit of the doubt all the time. So what are you talking about.

Zikten posted...

He is just parroting what Netanyahu told him. He doesn't actually have proof of who did it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN5KHmCrLeA

Video and verbal proof with a thorough explanation.

Ahh yes The Sun, owned by the same people behind Fox News and still boycotted in Liverpool today for falsely claiming Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-PhbKnOPKU

Fenriswolf posted...

Ahh yes The Sun, owned by the same people behind Fox News and still boycotted in Liverpool today for falsely claiming Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-PhbKnOPKU

It's a full uncut and unedited press conference with the IDF giving a full breakdown.

WoodenRook posted...

It's a full uncut and unedited press conference with the IDF giving a full breakdown.

Logic and reason have no purpose here. They want to be mad at Israel, so they are going to be mad at Israel.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Logic and reason have no purpose here. They want to be mad at Israel, so they are going to be mad at Israel.

Implying that the IDF never lie and never did lie about its past atrocities.

Whether they lie lied or are going to lie... there's the video and audio proof they have. Even from the Sun.

ive had enough of biden at this point.

Who to believe, Biden? IDF? Hamas representatives? The Palestine people?

Just about every response to the on going war is reactionary.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed.

Donald Trump loves his little buddy Kim Jong Un - maybe you should go there or Turkey or Russia or one of the many places run by authoritarians your dear MAGA messiah loves and praises?

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Who to believe, Biden? IDF? Hamas representatives? The Palestine people?

Just about every response to the on going war is reactionary.

You can believe the clear video evidence

No American president is going to turn on Israel. Even when they shoukd.

This whole war definitely proved the saying: "A lie can travel the world in a minute while the truth is still putting its shoes on."

And people who should know better don't actually.

creativerealms posted...

No American president is going to turn on Israel. Even when they shoukd.

Correct.

Well.... exception goes for former US presidents. Jimmy Carter has criticized Israel and even wrote a book on the Palestinian relations. "Peace not Apartheid."

Remember when Biden lied about seeing photos of decapitated babies like 2 days ago

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed.

Back to topic - as much as I want to believe the President, the gaff during the speech last week has me very skeptical about this. You just dont know who to believe anymore.

Just want to say that I got this FB ad after writing that....

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/9/AAHS2BAAE8qj.jpg

Torgo posted...

Donald Trump loves his little buddy Kim Jong Un - maybe you should go there or Turkey or Russia or one of the many places run by authoritarians your dear MAGA messiah loves and praises?

Yeah, Im a democrat. Im not about to side with someone who does this. You might want to try again. There are plenty of American Jews that cant stand the MAGA movement but stand with Israel. Thats usually what happens when you have friends and family there. Im one of them. And for the record, Im critical of Israel when I need to be.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/18/politics/trump-american-jews-attack/index.html

Good try though.

America stands strong with our comrades, bros and friends in Israel.
Biden will help Israel end this asap

zammox posted...

America stands strong with our comrades, bros and friends in Israel.
Biden will help Israel end this asap

America loves to help evil countries like Israel.

We'll tell them in private that if they do too many more human rights abuses right now, that we'll be very disappointed but continue to blindly support them.

James_xeno posted...

Anyone that thinks there were 500 dead is a fucking idiot.

Hey Fenris, you remember that time you celebrated coming off Suspension by sending me a cringetacular rant on PMs and swiftly got suspended again?

Saddam also had WMDs.

Coming from the same person who claimed to have seen the dead babies that didn't exist, who has also promised unconditional support to Israel? Yeah, no, no one legitimately believes Biden's statement is useful evidence.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Anyone that thinks there were 500 dead is a fucking idiot.

Yo man you might want to chill with that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number was a lot less but do not be surprised if it was 100-500.

Clearly it was a rocket fired from within Gaza and it malfunctioned and fell onto a parking lot. But it was a parking lot right next to a hospital and every hospital in Gaza is basically swarmed with people.

You can literally see huge crowds on the streets trying to get into hospitals in Gaza. A rocket falling there would result in a devastating number of casualties.

Shadow_Don posted...

Yo man you might want to chill with that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number was a lot less but do not be surprised if it was 100-500.

Clearly it was a rocket fired from within Gaza and it malfunctioned and fell onto a parking lot. But it was a parking lot right next to a hospital and every hospital in Gaza is basically swarmed with people.

You can literally see huge crowds on the streets trying to get into hospitals in Gaza. A rocket falling there would result in a devastating number of casualties.

The total number of casualties really isnt important. If we dive through all the bullshit finger pointing and whatever, and get to the heart of the matter, its the emotional reaction taking place between the muslim world and the west where we are seeing the most damage. Its no longer about how many died or the logistics. All the goodwill and trust that that has been created between Israel and its Arab Neighbors like Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, and especially Saudi Arabia is going up in smoke - and if the rest of the world begins to choose sides, well holy damn the hospital will be the least of our worries. I mean you see it on this forum, these emotional outbursts driven by a sense of self righteousness and unwavering belief in the superiority of their moral position, its dangerous.

WoodenRook posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN5KHmCrLeA

Video and verbal proof with a thorough explanation.

Then why did Israel tweet that they did it right after attack, and then deleted the tweet?

zammox posted...

America stands strong with our comrades, bros and friends in Israel.
Biden will help Israel end this asap

Israel murdered several citizens over the years. They are not our friends

Zikten posted...

Then why did Israel tweet that they did it right after attack, and then deleted the tweet?

Are you certain the xhit came from the Israeli government, or someone posing as the Israeli government, or someone posting that they saw this:

You can't trust anything on Xhitter because there's no trustworthy validation system on it anymore. Anyone with $8 can say they are whoever they want to be.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80596949

Both sides of the conflict shared false information: A widely shared screenshot purported to show an Israeli government Facebook page claiming credit for the blast but the government denied ever publishing such a post and said the account was fraudulent. Others, including fact-checkers, noted that the account in the screenshot was not verified on Facebook.

Zikten posted...

Then why did Israel tweet that they did it right after attack, and then deleted the tweet?

Spreading misinformation.

Israel has provided video and audio proof. Hamas is there with the missile shrapnel available to refute it and haven't. An airstrike would crater the parking lot. Without Palestinian or Hamas refuting the new facts, why still believe it was Israel?

Why does Israel have to provide even more proof on top of what they already provided and you still won't budge from your opinion based on nothing provided from the other side except that it happened.

WoodenRook posted...

Spreading misinformation.

Israel has provided video and audio proof. Hamas is there with the missile shrapnel available to refute it and haven't. An airstrike would crater the parking lot. Without Palestinian or Hamas refuting the new facts, why still believe it was Israel?

Why does Israel have to provide even more proof on top of what they already provided and you still won't budge from your opinion based on nothing provided from the other side except that it happened.

Because Israel has told nothing but lies for 70 years

Zikten posted...

Because Israel has told nothing but lies for 70 years

So bias...

You're unable to absorb facts and change your mind. Also, because of your attitude with this, you lose credibility on anything you say. Not that you had any to begin with after trying to use a Facebook post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKWRkf5iz8

Ronaldo posted...

CE will always be a reactionary echochamber but wow did the media drop the ball on this.

CE is a right wing echo chamber? Or you dont know what reactionary means?