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Tom_Joad 10/18/23 6:51:01 AM #1: |
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-heads-middle-east-inflamed-by-gaza-hospital-blast-2023-10-18/ --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/18/23 6:53:24 AM #2: |
Tom_Joad posted...
Biden has strongly backed Israel following the Oct. 7 attacks. But he is under intense pressure to win a clear Israeli commitment to alleviate the plight of civilians in the Gaza Strip, where 2.3 million Palestinians are under total siege, with no access to food, fuel, water or medical supplies.It's so absurd that the US is trying to bargain and plead with Israel to not mass murder civilians with the 'unconditional support' and imminent military aid the US will provide. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 10/18/23 6:53:52 AM #3: |
The British Foreign Secretary has the most ironic name in politics.
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Bass 10/18/23 6:54:50 AM #4: |
I still don't buy it since Joe just took the baby thing at face value too and then walked back on it.
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JuanCarlos1 10/18/23 7:03:33 AM #5: |
Part of me wants to renounce my American citizenship over US unequivocally backing Israel
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FlyEaglesFly24 10/18/23 7:08:37 AM #6: |
JuanCarlos1 posted...
Part of me wants to renounce my American citizenship over US unequivocally backing Israel So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed. Back to topic - as much as I want to believe the President, the gaff during the speech last week has me very skeptical about this. You just dont know who to believe anymore. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 10/18/23 7:08:54 AM #7: |
He is just parroting what Netanyahu told him. He doesn't actually have proof of who did it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 10/18/23 7:10:25 AM #8: |
Idk why we should believe anything he has to say on this after the 40 babies fiasco.
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Shadow_Don 10/18/23 7:18:26 AM #9: |
You don't have to take bidens word for it, there is conclusive video evidence.
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Fenriswolf 10/18/23 7:20:46 AM #10: |
FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed. Of course anyone who criticizes the US government must be supporting North Korea LMAO --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom_Joad 10/18/23 7:21:32 AM #11: |
Fenriswolf posted...
Of course anyone who criticizes the US government must be supporting North Korea LMAO So about them Uighurs... --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/18/23 7:22:54 AM #12: |
And there goes the thread
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BurmesePenguin 10/18/23 7:24:29 AM #13: |
I only knew Fenris was in the thread because someone quoted him, making them the bad guy.
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ZaruenKosai 10/18/23 7:34:05 AM #14: |
Tom_Joad posted... "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."How much more vague can he be. "Based on what I've seen" " It appears" So he saw IDF Propaganda and went "Okay yeah based on that propaganda it appears" Biden was also wrong about the beheaded babies story and had to walk back on that statement. He may not walk back on the statement this time only because that would require him to admit that Israel bombed a hospital full of wounded civilians. I don't see any way out for him that won't make him look like he's anti semite in Israels eyes. He is still factually incorrect, and the videos hes seen are the same ones we all saw. I would just like to remind once again, israel issued a warning before attacking the hospital israel tweeted right after attacking the hospital, israel than deleted said tweet and tried to back pedal and kept changing stories trying to save face each time only to instead make a bigger embarssment of themselves. by having biden say this, it once again paints israel as the good guys basically giving them permission to continue to commit their genocidal atrocities on the people of palestine if biden did not say this, the backlash he would face from Israel would also be enormous, he is stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I still feel that he made the wrong decisions. if israel bombed the hospital, he should not be scared to call them out on it, and if he was so sure that it wasn't Israel, than why is his statement so vague? --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/18/23 7:34:59 AM #15: |
Israel and America do share values, seeing as how democracy is under attack in both countries and genocides are brewing.
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FlyEaglesFly24 10/18/23 7:35:22 AM #16: |
Fenriswolf posted...
Of course anyone who criticizes the US government must be supporting North Korea LMAO Criticizing the US government is one thing. Renouncing your citizenship is something else. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/18/23 7:36:13 AM #17: |
Israel: "We warned people that Hamas was going to accidentally hit the hospital"
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Fenriswolf 10/18/23 7:36:59 AM #18: |
Tom_Joad posted...
So about them Uighurs... Says the one justifying Israeli apartheid, never mind the fact that Zionist settlers has been expanding into the West Bank because their holy book says the land belong to them. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/7/AACDhFAAE8nF.jpg --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 10/18/23 7:38:07 AM #20: |
FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Criticizing the US government is one thing. Renouncing your citizenship is something else. So tell me again how does renouncing your citizenship to protest US foreign policy automatically make someone a supporter of North Korea? --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/18/23 7:38:45 AM #21: |
FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed. Wait til you hear how many dictatorships the US backs --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whitelytning 10/18/23 7:42:53 AM #22: |
FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
So do it. Its not hard. Maybe North Korea would be more your speed. You dont know who to believe because war is a mess and the facts just arent clear. It isnt clear what happened with this hospital and it will take time to figure it out. Jumping in, one way or any other, immediately after that or any other blast (not suggesting you did that) is just not a great idea. --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/18/23 7:45:26 AM #24: |
Biden is as weak as them all. No balls to call out both sides in this ongoing war of atrocities. We should not have allies there. Fuck Israel and fuck Hamas.
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indica 10/18/23 7:46:02 AM #25: |
Fenriswolf posted...
So tell me again how does renouncing your citizenship to protest US foreign policy automatically make someone a supporter of North Korea?Maybe he's just comparing countries that are known mainly for committing crimes against humanity --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZaruenKosai 10/18/23 7:47:50 AM #26: |
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100% real , I will try to find it , the tweet is absolutely real, and the warning that they would attack the hospital is also real, and the warning came before the attack and the tweet came after the attack with them admitting they attacked the hospital because they believed there was hamas there, still inexcusable to bomb a hospital with over 1500 wounded ciivlians to kill 1 or 2 hamas .. Sorry that is not even close to a proportional response. i highly doubt biden knows much more than anyone else, seeing as how wrong he was about the decpapitated babies, he fell for the same propaganda than, I don't see any reason for him not to fall for the same propaganda now.. again, his statement did not feel like he was speaking from a place of confidence .. he said based on information he has, it appears, and he believes.. so in other words, based on the IDF propaganda he saw, it appears exactly how Israel wants it appears and therefore based on that , he has no reason not to believe that. even if every single point of evidence points to the contrary. Here is the warning https://www.livemint.com/news/world/israelhamas-war-gaza-hospital-was-warned-an-hour-before-the-blast-reveals-palestinian-envoy-11697612434649.html Here is the deleted Tweet https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a86gg/israel_spokesperson_took_credit_for_bombing_the/ yes I know he is in a very hard position right now, so I don't really blame him for his position, but I am still dissapointed by his blind loyalty to Israel and Netanyu. --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FlyEaglesFly24 10/18/23 7:49:15 AM #27: |
indica posted...
Maybe he's just comparing countries that are known mainly for committing crimes against humanity Actually, I figured if you are going to be a traitor, why not go all the way with it? --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/18/23 7:49:57 AM #28: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Biden is as weak as them all. No balls to call out both sides in this ongoing war of atrocities. We should not have allies there. Fuck Israel and fuck Hamas. Supporting Israel is one of very few truly bipartisan issues in the US. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/18/23 7:50:34 AM #29: |
FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Actually, I figured if you are going to be a traitor, why not go all the way with it? Renouncing citizenship is treason? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/18/23 7:51:59 AM #30: |
Yeah sorry, anyone believing the IDF's line on crater outline etc is gullible. Israel does not get the benefit of the doubt after the genocidal rhetoric of its leaders, including Netanyahu saying stuff like there are no innocents in Gaza. And even if Israel wasn't responsible for this particular incident, they're literally still shelling civilian buildings all over and around.
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James_xeno 10/18/23 7:52:25 AM #31: |
Looking at the evidence it think it's probably a safe bet to make. At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc. Given the video of the rocket breaking up over the area just before the explosion (complete with another much smaller explosion near by just seconds before the big one) and the nature of the damage to the hospital, well it's parking lot to be more specific. Little to no high explosive evidence, all fire and fire explosion damage. This seems like a tragic case of the misfire of a rocket.
I do tend to believe the final (or at least actual) death toll is going to be far lower than some of the numbers floating around. The crowd would have to have been so dense as to risk a crush, just at the right spot to kill those kinds of numbers. This is not high explosive damage: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/1/AADhijAAE8nJ.jpg Those cars aren't even banged up, just burned. I mean unless something else comes out.. or we see stuff much more severe, i don't see how this can be pinned on anyone intentionally, or the IDF in general. --- http://imgur.com/a/s2O4b Koto and Juri and Ruka oh my! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gu-gohan 10/18/23 7:52:55 AM #32: |
Zikten posted...
He is just parroting what Netanyahu told him. He doesn't actually have proof of who did itSo, do you have any proof who did it, then? Don't get me wrong: We all have the same opinion about civil casualties. They should be avoided at all costs, regardless of which group they belong to. At least, I hope that still unites us. But after reading through several topics here, I think some people don't quite get the facts straight and are way too invested into this. They only believe anymore, what they want to believe. I mean, your post suggests that both Netanyahu and Biden lied, but what proof do you have? If I don't know something, I try to stay rational and avoid jumping to conclusions. Most importantly, I don't believe each and all sources, especially not from Twitter and alikes. What I wanna say: Some people should take a deep breath once and a while... What happens to Palestine citizens is not okay, but so is what happened to Israel and other nations citizens 1.5 weeks ago. This conflict is complex and can't just be divided into a "good" and a "bad" side. That's why it's important to stay rational. It's okay - even needed! - to criticize Israel for Palestine civil casualties. On the other hand, what Hamas did was absolutely cruel, because they intenionally and deliberately targeted civilians. They should be called out, too. That's why it's wrong to just demonizing one group and glorifying the other. --- Like: videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, bias ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/18/23 7:57:57 AM #33: |
gu-gohan posted...
So, do you have any proof who did it, then?No one on this board is glorifying fucking Hamas! That's just bullshit from pro-Israel jokers who can't handle that both sides are equally bad and that America is aiding an evil scumfuck like Netanyahu who wants to exterminate Palestinians as much as the terrorists want to exterminate the world's Jews. Both sides can get fucked. Fuck America for assisting the Israeli government. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom_Joad 10/18/23 7:59:04 AM #34: |
James_xeno posted...
Looking at the evidence it think it's probably a safe bet to make. At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc. Given the video of the rocket breaking up over the area just before the explosion (complete with another much smaller explosion near by just seconds before the big one) and the nature of the damage to the hospital, well it's parking lot to be more specific. Little to no high explosive evidence, all fire and fire explosion damage. This seems like a tragic case of the misfire of a rocket. Wow, I hadn't seen the aftermath photo. Geez, the cars are intact and the parking lot is still navigable. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Karovorak 10/18/23 8:00:26 AM #35: |
James_xeno posted...
Looking at the evidence it think it's probably a safe bet to make. At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc. Given the video of the rocket breaking up over the area just before the explosion (complete with another much smaller explosion near by just seconds before the big one) and the nature of the damage to the hospital, well it's parking lot to be more specific. Little to no high explosive evidence, all fire and fire explosion damage. This seems like a tragic case of the misfire of a rocket. Here in Video form: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714535687070916987 And here, again, the thread by GeoConfirm: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1714390254935851272.html That's not something you can simply explain with "IDF is lying anyways". --- Planning is the process of replacing chance with error. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TetsuoS2 10/18/23 8:00:48 AM #36: |
don't understand why people keep engaging with one of the biggest trolls since this horrible series events started.
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Doe 10/18/23 8:00:53 AM #37: |
James_xeno posted...
At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc.Besides the fact it is exactly what Israel said they would do. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/18/23 8:02:30 AM #38: |
TetsuoS2 posted...
don't understand why people keep engaging with one of the biggest trolls since this horrible series events started. These events have exposed a lot of people actually. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 10/18/23 8:02:36 AM #39: |
He also said he saw dead babies beheaded , then found out that he didn't . So yeah.
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Shadow_Don 10/18/23 8:03:19 AM #40: |
Guys it doesn't even matter what the idf said or didn't say. You can just watch the video ffs
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Starks 10/18/23 8:05:59 AM #42: |
There is no physical evidence of an IDF strike.
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FlyEaglesFly24 10/18/23 8:06:17 AM #43: |
James_xeno posted...
Looking at the evidence it think it's probably a safe bet to make. At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc. Given the video of the rocket breaking up over the area just before the explosion (complete with another much smaller explosion near by just seconds before the big one) and the nature of the damage to the hospital, well it's parking lot to be more specific. Little to no high explosive evidence, all fire and fire explosion damage. This seems like a tragic case of the misfire of a rocket. To be honest, I dont think it matters really who did what. Its like Trevor Noah said, the further you go back the more it looks like the other side did it. Bottom line is that hospital was destroyed during the fighting between Israel and Hamas. Which means you can blame Hamas for starting this whole conflict (as in October 7th - not the Arab Israeli conflict as a whole) or you can blame Israel for taking the bait and continuing with their siege of Gaza and the airstrikes. The dead dont care if it was an accident or not. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 10/18/23 8:06:51 AM #44: |
We've reached the stage where Trump is more critical of Netanyahu than Biden
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/us/politics/trump-hezbollah-israel-palestine.html He took swipes at Mr. Netanyahu on the Brian Kilmeade Show, a Fox News Radio show, broadcast on Thursday, arguing that intelligence lapses by Israel had left it vulnerable to the sweeping attack, kidnappings and slaughter of civilians leading to the war. --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow_Don 10/18/23 8:08:31 AM #45: |
Fenriswolf posted...
We've reached the stage where Trump is more critical of Netanyahu than Biden Only reason trump is critical of Netanyahu is because he didn't back the stolen election claims. If trump were president right now gaza would be a nuclear wasteland. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trelve 10/18/23 8:09:42 AM #46: |
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ZaruenKosai 10/18/23 8:10:02 AM #47: |
James_xeno posted...
Looking at the evidence it think it's probably a safe bet to make. At the very least it is highly improbable that this was an intentional (targeted) attack by anyone, and especially no IDF air strike etc. Given the video of the rocket breaking up over the area just before the explosion (complete with another much smaller explosion near by just seconds before the big one) and the nature of the damage to the hospital, well it's parking lot to be more specific. Little to no high explosive evidence, all fire and fire explosion damage. This seems like a tragic case of the misfire of a rocket. gu-gohan posted... o, do you have any proof who did it, then? So answer why did they warn the hospital about the attack 1 hour before. Why did they claim they did it in a tweet they then deleted ? Tom_Joad posted...
Are you seriously going with that as your argument? "If Israel actually did this ,the explosion would be bigger? THAT Is your fucking defense?" Starks posted... There is no physical evidence of an IDF strike.Here is the warning https://www.livemint.com/news/world/israelhamas-war-gaza-hospital-was-warned-an-hour-before-the-blast-reveals-palestinian-envoy-11697612434649.html Here is the deleted Tweet https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a86gg/israel_spokesperson_took_credit_for_bombing_the/ here is some VIDEO Evidence that would counter those saying it cant be israel and it has to be a failed HAMAS Rocket. https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17ag02q/israel_doesnt_stop_lying_here_the_full_video_they/ --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 10/18/23 8:10:59 AM #48: |
Between yesterday's topic and this one we can basically conclude the IDF position is: Israel didn't do it, but if they did then they were right for doing it and should do more of it actually
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Doe 10/18/23 8:14:07 AM #49: |
ThyCorndog posted...
Between yesterday's topic and this one we can basically conclude the IDF position is: Israel didn't do it, but if they did then they were right for doing it and should do more of it actuallyThat's part of how absurd this whole thing is yep. It's not like the US or Europe would condemn it if Israel took credit. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gu-gohan 10/18/23 8:30:30 AM #50: |
ZaruenKosai posted...
So answer why did they warn the hospital about the attack 1 hour before.I can't reply to something that I don't know. No one can't answer that question except those who were responsible for it. You seem to misunderstand my intention. I'm not "for" or "against" a side here and I'm not excusing the attack on the hospital. I'm also not interested in any disputes here or elsewhere, since I'm accepting that I simply don't have the first-hand knowledge to know what's true or not. I'm merely saying that the best one can do in complex conflicts like this is to stay rational. It's especially important to not believe everything that's been posted online, because it's practically impossible to differentiate fake news or assumptions from facts. --- Like: videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, bias ... Copied to Clipboard!
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