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It'll have to wait til the morning got work tomorrow after all

That Camilla map.

I did not care for it.

Spent two and half hours on that shit.

All right @tremain07, here's the team idea that I came up with. Try this for the Tiki paralogue the next time you get around to attempting it:

Alear w/ Roy (required, but try not to use much for the next couple of battles because the paralogues and skirmishes scale to Alear's level)
Louis w/ Sigurd or 3H (very tanky)
Jade w/ Sigurd or 3H (also tanky plus your best axe user at this point)
Alcryst w/ Leif (bows are effective against those ice wyverns)
Yunaka (tanky, 1-2 range, always great)
Citrinne w/ Celica (good strong magic user)
Celine w/ Marth (more versatile magic user)
Chloe w/ Micaiah (flying healer plus have her fly up and take out those healers on the towers that have physic staves)

Promote Celine (to Vidame) or Citrinne (to Sage) with that second master seal so you have a staff user who can use them naturally without needing Micaiah's ring. You can decide which one, but promoting one of them is pretty much necessary for you because your Framme/Jean are underleveled liabilities.

If you have that third master seal that I mentioned should have been in the shop, you have a few good options for it. You could promote either Louis or Jade to make them even more tanky, either to Great Knight (for more mobility and a second weapon type) or to General (to make them super mega tanky and to let them use S rank weapons really late in the game). You could promote Alcryst to Bow Knight or Warrior so he's not locked to only bows. Or you could wait until Chloe is level 10 and promote her to Griffin Knight, so she can also use staves without needing Micaiah's ring. They're all good ideas, but in the end, it's up to you.

Ivynn posted...

That Camilla map.

I did not care for it.

Spent two and half hours on that shit.

That's the only one of the DLC paralogues that I have left to do, and it looks very huge and annoying.

Soren is fucking ridiculous. He has 3 health bars and can do damage from basically anywhere on the map. How is that fair?

Ivynn posted...

That Camilla map.

That map tricked me good Haha. At first, I was like whats the big deal. She kept destroying stuff, but nothing was changing. And then, my group split up. Some stayed back to handle the reinforcements that kept coming Then she blew up a piece she already destroyed and I saw it was now passable. I was like, thats whats fucking happening It was a mad dash. But the forward group split up, too I had left 4 behind while six went forward. So, Anna went back to help on her own through the bottom path. Chlo did too, but took a more direct path up top. Alear and Diamant went up, but had a longer path. While Yunaka and Citrinne took a bottom path together It was a little exciting Then Camilla decided she came to kill It took a few resets to find where to place everyone But Framme could take a hit, which allowed me to destroy Camilla But I actually enjoyed that surprise Ot reminds me of the Fates maps (the one where Camilla joins) because of the mad scramble to get everyone into other positions once shit changes

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

How was the Sigurd map for you? I could not defeat those two mages on the bottom of the map. I had to run away from them.

I'm playing on Maddening. I didn't do Sigurd's map immediately but did it like after 1 other ch and 1 other paralogue? I don't remember.

But the key for the 2 mages is to lure them out and trap them with Corrin Engage and then kill the Thoron mage first. Then you can reposition or canter everybody out of the range of the 2 range mage and then kill them the next turn

With extremely tricky concentrated attack, it's possible to also kill them both in one turn, but you need well built units for it, also you probably need to start with Corrin Engage attack to begin with anyways lol.

Another option is to silence or freeze them. It shouldn't be too high of a % but if you get it off, then you're good to go tbh.

ArchNemo posted...

Soren is fucking ridiculous. He has 3 health bars and can do damage from basically anywhere on the map. How is that fair?

Tbf, he doesnt always use it. For me, he used that once. Then used a special on Anna (which she brushed off like a mosquito bite. Then a whacked him with some weapons

Calwings posted...

That's the only one of the DLC paralogues that I have left to do, and it looks very huge and annoying.

Worst part is by the time I finished I was overleveled af so now the rest of the game is gonna be a breeze. Chapter 17 is gonna be way less scary this time. :\ Guess my third playthrough (whenever that will be) is gonna be Maddening because Hard ain't so hard no mo'.

I've seen this game played on Hard and man... they really made some of these soulcrushing lvls a complete pushover. I've seen a youtuber literally solo the bottom part of ch 17 with Diamant of all things.

In Maddening, if you don't travel by groups, you're usually gonna get fucked somehow

Ivynn posted...

Worst part is by the time I finished I was overleveled af so now the rest of the game is gonna be a breeze. Chapter 17 is gonna be way less scary this time. :\ Guess my third playthrough (whenever that will be) is gonna be Maddening because Hard ain't so hard no mo'.

Trust me Ch 17 will still be a pain in the ass

I'm angry, work was bullshit today and I didn't get to pet sommie here's the twins having a splash fight

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/8/AAPa_qAAELxe.jpg

Off screen nudity in Goldmary's support. Show her you cowards!

I finished Camilla's paralogue, then chapters 10-11 and...

Ivynn posted...

Worst part is by the time I finished I was overleveled af so now the rest of the game is gonna be a breeze. Chapter 17 is gonna be way less scary this time. :\ Guess my third playthrough (whenever that will be) is gonna be Maddening because Hard ain't so hard no mo'.

...yeah, this was definitely true. By the time I was done with Camilla's paralogue, my whole squad was like 8 levels above the recommended level for chapter 10, so I basically plowed through 10-11 with very little trouble. I think if I don't do any skirmishes or any of the emblem paralogues, the story chapters will eventually catch up to my team and give a good challenge.

Just check out her swimsuit and let your horny mind fill in the blanks, I think whoever modeled the characters wasn't so much as a boob man but a thigh man some of these girls have some fat thighs including Alear (f)

tremain07 posted...

some of these girls have some fat thighs including Alear (f)

https://i.imgur.com/PyiH400.jpg

Ok seriously what is up with the RNG in this game? Ive seen too many of my 90%+ attacks miss and enemies always seem to hit me with crappy 30% rates.

Engage uses a different hit rate formula than Three Houses. Above 50% is the same as before, but in Engage, if an enemy has below 50 percent hit rate it's more likely to hit you than in previous recent Fire Emblem games (Fates used the same system, irrc, but lol @ playing Fates).

Either way, you're thinking about percentages the wrong way. Missing 1 out of 10 will happen more often than you think, and hitting 3 out of 10 will too.

I cant remember if I saw it on this topic, or just found this on YouTube But I have a video that explains the hot rates

https://youtu.be/CKlv3vJlsh0

Skill recommendations for Citrinne needed. She a sage

BurmesePenguin posted...

Engage uses a different hit rate formula than Three Houses. Above 50% is the same as before, but in Engage, if an enemy has below 50 percent hit rate it's more likely to hit you than in previous recent Fire Emblem games (Fates used the same system, irrc, but lol @ playing Fates).

Either way, you're thinking about percentages the wrong way. Missing 1 out of 10 will happen more often than you think, and hitting 3 out of 10 will too.

So the Fire Emblem RN systems go like this

FE1-5: 1RN, hit rates are exact what they seem.
FE6 through to Awakening, also Three Houses: 2RN, hit rates are based on an average of two random numbers. Displayed hit rates below 50 are less likely to hit than they appear, hit rates above 50 are more likely to hit than they appear.
Fates, Echoes and Engage: Hybrid RN. Below 50 is 1RN, so 30 displayed hit is actually a 30% chance to hit. Above 50 there's a complicated formula that ends up being similar to 2RN in that attacks are more likely to hit than the hit rate suggests, but it's not quite as extreme an effect as in the true 2RN system.

People are bad at probability and complain when a 25% chance happens 1 in 4 times (unless it's beneficial to them, in which case they complain when it doesn't happen much more than that) so some games fudge the numbers to try to make people not complain but it doesn't really work because people still just fixate on the one time something improbable happened and insist it must be a conspiracy against them rather than them just not understanding that improbable is not impossible

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Skill recommendations for Citrinne needed. She a sage

All you need is Canter and a ring for one of the 3 range spells. I think Thoron with Mae S ring is optimal, but some people will die by Dire Thunder, as in a large majority of people that I've seen. But Dire Thunder is basically useless against non-mobs and majority of the higher res units. Thoron on the other hand will always do a huge chunk.

I want to make use of Jade. What advanced class should I put her into? I really can't figure it out.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I want to make use of Jade. What advanced class should I put her into? I really can't figure it out.

In my first playthrough I made Jade a Wyvern Knight because I wanted to make her more balanced and not purely a tank, but in my current girls-only playthrough I made her a General because I don't have Louis and Jade needs to be my primary tank. Great Knight is another good choice.

Jade actually has a pretty decent natural magic growth of 25%, so a mixed class like Mage Knight could work for her too. In my first playthrough as a Wyvern Knight, she ended up getting enough magic points despite not being in a magic class that she could use a Levin Sword pretty well.

https://i.imgur.com/P973iSJ.png

Is Lapis any good?

Crimsoness posted...

Is Lapis any good?

She's usable, but not great. Sword-locked classes are generally not good, and even among the sword-locked characters you get, Diamant is better and comes one chapter later, then Kagetsu comes 4 chapters later and blows them both out of the water. If you swap Lapis to a class that helps remedy her mediocre strength growth and preferably isn't sword-locked, then she becomes more usable. I made her a Great Knight in my current girls-only playthrough, but Wyvern Knight and Warrior are good choices too.

TL;DR: Unless you really like her as a character or your options are limited because you're doing a challenge run of some kind, just use Diamant instead and/or wait for Kagetsu.

Lapis is a good user of Levin Sword and can potentially reclass as a Dark Knight. But mixed attacker growths are really bad in general, especially in this game where Maddening enemies have pretty high def/res. There are also a lot of units that can be mixed attackers, and even the best of them aren't that good.

Fogado is the best mixed attacker because Radiant Bow is broken and can one round fliers all the way up the basically the end of the game. Effective damage triples the original might of the weapon only, which makes Radiant Bow do like 60-65 might or so at base, on top of Fogado's decent mag and mid growth as well as potentially enough speed to double gives him a really powerful niche.

Levin Sword is basically just a straight up much worse version of that with the only bonus being able to break and to enable Lapis's chase attacks if you keep her on Swordmaster, which is a pretty bad class mostly.

https://youtu.be/IY6BrcT0PoQ

I worked way too hard on this dumb review of Engage, if anyone wanted to watch. I can't edit videos to save my life, so...hopefully it doesn't look as shitty as I fear it does.

For what it's worth, most of the review is spoiler-free, but I do have a designated spoiler section later in the video.

If anyone wanted to watch it, I'd really appreciate it. It took way longer to work on than I'm proud to admit.

Crimsoness posted...

Is Lapis any good?

Yes. I gave mine a Killer Axe and she dominates. I don't think I've seen her die once.

I'm trying to make Alcryst a good character but I'm failing. He dies almost immediately.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/0/AAZaD9AAEMNe.jpg

I miss having a Dancer.

But I'm doing an all-girls playthrough and dammit, I'm committing!

The final chapter is gonna be hell tho, dancing saved my ass a lot on it.

At least I still have the Byleth emblem.

Ivynn posted...

But I'm doing an all-girls playthrough and dammit, I'm committing!

How far are you in yours? I just completed chapter 13 (including the big power boost from adding Timerra, Merrin, and Panette) the last time I played.

Hey, you can't use Byleth in an all girls playthrough!

Calwings posted...

How far are you in yours? I just completed chapter 13 (including the big power boost from adding Timerra, Merrin, and Panette) the last time I played.

I finished Chapter 21. Merrin and Panette are my MVPs of this run so far. Giving Pannette Wrath/Vantage makes her enemy phase almost unkillable. I say almost because RNG can still screw you at times lol. Had to bench Timerra this time around, because her stats were mid and I made Goldmary a Halberdier and I didn't want to have three lance-only users.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Hey, you can't use Byleth in an all girls playthrough!

I did consider if I should extend the rule to Emblems, but the game is too balanced around them that I feel I'd overly cripple myself. Sorry if that's a rule-breaker. >_>

Ivynn posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/0/AAZaD9AAEMNe.jpg

They honestly need a line about how they have to go all out to fully unlock their power.

Then they need to change the dialog at the end if they actually killed any of your people. As it is, it's such weird narrative disconnect to have your Emblem kill someone and then have Alear and the Emblem be totally chill after. It's just a weird bit of bad narrative/gameplay integration in a game that is otherwise very good at it.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Hey, you can't use Byleth in an all girls playthrough!

We're not counting the Emblem rings.

Ivynn posted...

I finished Chapter 21. Merrin and Panette are my MVPs of this run so far. Giving Pannette Wrath/Vantage makes her enemy phase almost unkillable. I say almost because RNG can still screw you at times lol. Had to bench Timerra this time around, because her stats were mid and I made Goldmary a Halberdier and I didn't want to have three lance-only users.

Ah, I see. You're way ahead of me.

There are 18 total recruitable female characters and 14 team slots for the late-game chapters, so that means 4 girls get benched. So far I've benched Celine and Citrinne (I made Anna a Sage and Chloe a Mage Knight, and I didn't want to use too many mages), then later on I'll decide between Etie and Saphir for my Warrior and also bench whichever character is doing the worst once I get Veyle as the last recruitable character.

Imagine not considering souls trapped in rings as real people!

Oh god for a second I thought Gunpla was unbanned

You guys and your all girls run is making me wanna do an all bros run lol.

But guess Kagetsu would probably solo it.

An all guys run might only be a little tricky for the first act. Once act 2 hits you get Kagetsu and Pandero and Jean will likely be close to online.

It's Friday at last. Time to put that advice into action

BigG777 posted...

You guys and your all girls run is making me wanna do an all bros run lol.

But guess Kagetsu would probably solo it.

I might do that for a later playthrough. But once I complete this playthrough, I'll probably focus on completing all of the supports (thank goodness for the new recreation feature) and then I'll take a break from the game for a while to play other stuff.

I need to get back into the game. Haven't played since I ragequit the Leif paralogue.

Alear with glasses
Holy shit, her dork levels have skyrocketed and man, being chapter 9 and Vander JUST hit level 2 ,this is truly horrible what the fuck was the reason behind this? How is this fucker 45?! He looks 60!

Real talk, I don't understand the Vander looks so old. Like 45 year olds can have white/gray hair. Especially anime where anyone can have white hair.

Compsognathus posted...

Real talk, I don't understand the Vander looks so old. Like 45 year olds can have white/gray hair. Especially anime where anyone can have white hair.

Saphir is supposed to be 35 and looks like she's 60

Yeah, there is no way she's 35. It might be the internal age, bit it doesn't align with her supports at all.

Beating chapter 15 without using Seadall at all (therefore without using the Corrin ring that he comes with at all) and also while trying to protect him was a massive pain in the ass. Thank goodness the Camilla ring from the DLC also has a Dragon Vein ability that could clear the miasma, or else I don't know how I would have beaten it.

I think I'm ready to come to the conclusion that Engage did brawling dirty. The damage formula is bad. The class stats for Martial Master are appalling. The mediocre accuracy of the arts combined with the complete lack of skill growth from the class makes your characters basically blind. And the lack of skill doesn't even narratively feel correct for master martial artist.

They just aren't fun to use.