Current Events > Youtube and Toei cripple Youtuber Totally Not Mark removing 150 videos

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https://youtu.be/WaeqXWzaizY

Totally Not Mark, anime reviewer, has had 150 videos on DragonBall and One Piece removed, including but not limited to review videos, but also art/drawing videos.

Because of how long the process takes to dispute this, it would take 37 years for Mark to get all of his videos back since you can only appeal a single video at a time.

Its really sad and an abuse of power that his youtube has been stripped down to a handful of videos.

#JusticeforTotallyNotMark

F*** Toei

SSJPurple posted...

F*** Toei

And fuck Google/Youtube as well.

I've been reading rights usage on YouTube recently. I realized that if your making your money on another companies work. You should at the very least expect this to happen sometime.
Producing your own work, etc. Is definitely the way to go on that site.

CountDog posted...

I've been reading rights usage on YouTube recently. I realized that if your making your money on another companies work. You should at the very least expect this to happen sometime.
Producing your own work, etc. Is definitely the way to go on that site.

yes, but on the flip side, Toei has gone to the point where in Japan if you even mention one of their anime, you could have your video flagged for takedown. Even if you don't show any actual art or clips or soundbytes from those shows.

This is a fucking outrage. That man is basically part of their marketing team, producing content, building hype, saying a lot of really good, positive things about a lot of aspects of their productions.

"Nope. Can't have that."

Some companies still think it's stealing to stream games or review anime with clips, but... those companies don't realize that streamers and youtube creators are many times more effective than ordinary advertising when it comes to selling a show/game/movie.

Review channels drive traffic and build an audience beyond the reach of regular advertising. These are people with adblockers, people who trust the word of a small, independent reviewer they've watched for years way more than a generic magazine or website review.

And now Toei has successfully botched their reputation with his entire audience. He got hundreds of thousands of views regularly, and millions for his larger videos.

So, Toei is basically telling us that they don't care about their fans without telling us they don't care about their fans.

Good.

Next time make original idea.

Well that's fucking evil

Anime/Japanese companies are the most stringent and notorious to deal with when it comes to copyright.

Doesnt copyrights work different in Japan as well?

tbh, content creators really need to stage a max exodus to a new platform one of these days.

CountDog posted...

I've been reading rights usage on YouTube recently. I realized that if your making your money on another companies work. You should at the very least expect this to happen sometime.
Producing your own work, etc. Is definitely the way to go on that site.

But its not simply other companies work.

He has art videos removed.

He has pointed out big talk shows have used more clips from the show then he has and been fine.

Yeah, their whole system is damn broken. I can understand not being able to go to bat for some small 100 subscriber channel, but they should have the manpower to make special accommodations for channels that are suitably large. It's probably like 0.1% of their channels that have over 500k subscribers. The fact that these people need to drum up internet outrage to get anywhere half the time is ridiculous.

It's certainly being auto-reported too, which, considering companies are legally obligated to assert that the videos violate fair use provisions, is blatantly illegal. Of course, companies get away with it every time because they know they'll never have to go to court over it.

fair next

Given how much they despised Team4star, this isn't a surprise. Both have done wonders for Toei and were treated as if pure scum by Toei themselves.

YouTube really needs to figure their shit out.

TNM has already contested and won several claims, and will win all of these claims. However YouTubes bureaucracy makes it so you can only contest one or two videos at a time, and each one takes months to resolve. He is basically bullied off the platform.

Meanwhile, Colbert has a clip up in the same week which uses way more Toei footage than any of Marks videos. Glad YouTube is looking out for the small corporate creators.

Its so bad that Pewdiepies Bitch Lasagna music video with 300 M views is currently being claimed by some random company that says they represent Pewdiepie. So he isnt even making any money off the actual video, and when he countered the claim, it was denied by YouTubes AI. What a joke lol

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

However YouTubes bureaucracy makes it so you can only contest one or two videos at a time, and each one takes months to resolve. He is basically bullied off the platform.

At least he's still got series running about other shows from other production companies. He's doing Naruto lately.

Hayame Zero posted...

Anime/Japanese companies are the most stringent and notorious to deal with when it comes to copyright.

They do, but I just learned again Youtube puts the ability to block your own video from being watched in other countries behind a paywall

Learned in this update video:
https://youtu.be/WAuWk8POxSQ

Aki_Sora posted...

Good.

Next time make original idea.

He makes great reviews of their products. There's no reason for them to take his videos down

Funkydog posted...

Given how much they despised Team4star, this isn't a surprise. Both have done wonders for Toei and were treated as if pure scum by Toei themselves.

Did toei take down Mark's DBZA retrospective series? I don't think they would miss the chance to screw them both over at once.

EDIT: I just checked, they took down the saiyan saga video but not the other two

Feline_Heart posted...

He makes great reviews of their products. There's no reason for them to take his videos down

Yeah Mark is top tier in the anime YouTube genre, most his videos are a ton of effort and have his own animations in them.

Not like the shlock out there like Geekdom who just post episode/chapter reactions, spoiler reactions, or speculation videos on every new dumb rumor/fan theory

Unfortunately nothing much will be done. Youtube will never change. They will at most bring back Mark's videos, but Toei bots can easily just report them again down the line.

japan has different laws about copyright use than in the west. This is the problem of youtube obeying Japanese law

Zikten posted...

japan has different laws about copyright use than in the west. This is the problem of youtube obeying Japanese law

The easy to fix to the problem is to prevent his videos from being shown in Japan, which apparently is a thing you can do on youtube, but Mark isn't allowed to access it without joining a MCN. Which is pretty bullshit.

Zikten posted...

japan has different laws about copyright use than in the west. This is the problem of youtube obeying Japanese law

Also just watched Hoeg Law's video and it seems that Japanese copyright law only applies in Japan. Since Youtube is a US company, the only law that applies is US law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPKmRXnQn0

LightHawKnight posted...

Also just watched Hoeg Law's video and it seems that Japanese copyright law only applies in Japan. Since Youtube is a US company, the only law that applies is US law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPKmRXnQn0

Neither Japanese companies nor Youtube care however.

oh I thought he was a youtuber that was crippled

He already got his money though. >_>

Zeus posted...

tbh, content creators really need to stage a max exodus to a new platform one of these days.

Any platform that gets big will be subject to the same legal bullshit

Funkydog posted...

Neither Japanese companies nor Youtube care however.

Japanese companies care enough to not actually press charges, cause those will get no where.

LightHawKnight posted...

Japanese companies care enough to not actually press charges, cause those will get no where.

I think most companies treat youtube that way. Just too much effort for anyone to contest, so they rely on others just giving in at the start.

Lmfao get rekt.

Good. Youtube is filled with these "content creators" AKA burger flippers on perpetual strike. This is the one time to strikebreak.

why dont these corps understand that youtubers like this actually drive traffic and engagement to their IP?

but no, the dinosaurs in the c-suite say "THATS MY IP HE STEALIN MUH MONEYS"

Captain_Qwark posted...

Was he just playing the episodes and talking over them or something lol?

No, he reads popular manga that hes never checked out before and gives his reviews of each arc in video essays. He uses some clips from the anime but its definitely not like a lazy reaction channel. His videos are usually half an hour long and you can tell how much care and effort goes into them

Aki_Sora posted...

Good.

Next time make original idea.

Fair use doctrine. It means you can legally use (samples of) copyrighted works as long as you're adding substantial content of your own. For instance, reviews generally fall under fair use. Unless he was airing the entirety of these episodes on his channel, then it's fair use. YouTube upholds this pretty consistently. Same with the courts. The problem is that not everyone can afford to fight such litigation, so copyright holders have that extra leverage to use against channels that they don't approve of for whatever reason.

Saturday Night Live once used footage of Fusion Reborn for one of their TV Funhouse sketches.

LightHawKnight posted...

Japanese companies care enough to not actually press charges, cause those will get no where.

Tell that to Nintendo, who have shut down many a rom site with ridiculous lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, obviously there is a whole discussion about how to deal with those situations, but they literally sued one site for nearly 2 million dollars, which broke down to 35k per title. Obviously that case was a little less gray as the guy was uploading newer stuff, but they have been known to sue sites that just upload for free the very old games that Nintendo no longer makes money from (Gamecube and prior).

The worst part about this is Toei also contacted him to have him promote one of their concerts for one of their properties. So like he said in one of his videos, am I aiding the promotion of dragon Ball in one piece or am I ripping it off which is it?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

This is a f***ing outrage. That man is basically part of their marketing team, producing content, building hype, saying a lot of really good, positive things about a lot of aspects of their productions.

Just like Nintendo they likely don't need or care about 3rd party marketing. Viewers are going to watch, buy and eat up their merchandise in droves regardless.

Ivany2008 posted...

Tell that to Nintendo, who have shut down many a rom site with ridiculous lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, obviously there is a whole discussion about how to deal with those situations, but they literally sued one site for nearly 2 million dollars, which broke down to 35k per title. Obviously that case was a little less gray as the guy was uploading newer stuff, but they have been known to sue sites that just upload for free the very old games that Nintendo no longer makes money from (Gamecube and prior).

Eh roms are not fair use.

dioxxys posted...

The worst part about this is Toei also contacted him to have him promote one of their concerts for one of their properties. So like he said in one of his videos, am I aiding the promotion of dragon Ball in one piece or am I ripping it off which is it?

Turns out it wasn't Toei that contacted him, but the company that owned the rights to the music used or something like that, Mark explains that in the 2nd video he made.

LightHawKnight posted...

Eh roms are not fair use.

In your opinion. In mine, that bullshit law should be forced into stricter limitations. Right now as it stands because of the Disney Corporation its at a ridiculous lifetime+ 70 years before properties become free market. In other words, its your property until the day you die, plus an additional 70 years before anyone can profit off of it, or even just use it.

15-20 years should be fair use on media, with the stipulation that they be distributed for free on the web with no one gaining profit off of them, while the original copyright holder holds full licensing rights to all future properties up to a maximum of an additional 15 years renewed every 15 years.

That's how it should be.

Ivany2008 posted...

In your opinion. In mine, that bullshit law should be forced into stricter limitations. Right now as it stands because of the Disney Corporation its at a ridiculous lifetime+ 70 years before properties become free market. In other words, its your property until the day you die, plus an additional 70 years before anyone can profit off of it, or even just use it.

15-20 years should be fair use on media, with the stipulation that they be distributed for free on the web with no one gaining profit off of them, while the original copyright holder holds full licensing rights to all future properties up to a maximum of an additional 15 years renewed every 15 years.

That's how it should be.

Uh what opinion? It is literally not fair use.

LightHawKnight posted...

Uh what opinion? It is literally not fair use.

Fine, Fair dealing then, which is something not quite used in American law. A Canadian federal judge during the Napster debacle with Metallica pointed out that gaining music off of Napster was no different than requesting a song off the radio. It's also why for a very long time after that, that Canada didn't have as strict of copyright laws as were down in the states. We just weren't dicks about it and overconsumed. You could access older media for free, you just weren't allowed to sell it for profit. There was a gray area whether you should do it or not, but cops weren't busting down our doors for a few movies downloaded during the early 2000s.

There is a lot of media that will disappear if not replicated via the web, or distributed through individual mediums. And I'm not against paying for media. I would gladly pay Nintendo 5-10 dollars for a old game, but lets be honest here, their storefront sucks for old games. As of October of this year, the switch storefront had 49 Super Nintendo games. To put that in perspective, there are close to 800 total SNES games.

There are games that they can't port due to one reason or another. Maybe its a company they don't work with anymore, maybe the other company is defunct, who knows. Distribution of older media, specifically on consoles they aren't selling anymore, should be free for everyone to play, if you wanted to play it.

But I digress that's a whole different issue for a different time.

Zikten posted...

japan has different laws about copyright use than in the west. This is the problem of youtube obeying Japanese law

Uh no, I'm pretty sure this is the problem with youtube being based in the US, which is far stricter on copyright than anywhere else. This is how scammers all across the globe take advantage of youtube's shit copyright system. Nintendo's infamous tightness over copyright is pretty much exclusive to US-based cases as well.

Lmao but yet theres full length Dball movies all over youtube:
https://youtu.be/1j-MeL9IjFg