Poll of the Day > YouTube is removing the public "dislike" counter

(+) Yeah! (+)

Thoughts?

On one hand, small channels will be less vulnerable to unfair dislikes from trolls. Also, foreign owned bot accounts won't be able to mass spam the dislike button on news videos with the intention of swaying public perception.

On the other hand, the dislike ratio for things like help/DIY videos is super useful, as it tells me immediately whether the video is worth my time.


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Yeah. I think it can be useful for certain things. Like you said, we hit comes to DIY (or anything else where Im watching for help), it can help to know how useful others found it

It can also help content creators when deciding what type of videos to make, tbh
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It's fucking terrible, I hate it

Blatantly obvious it's because of all the instances of big corporations posting unpopular videos and getting down voted to hell over them.

And they claim it's for the sake of the mental health of content creators or whatever... But the dislikes aren't actually going away, they're becoming "private", so the general populace can't see the number. So, the only one who CAN still see it... is the content creator himself/herself. Riiiiiight...

I've found the dislike counter helpful in giving away clickbait bullshit. I guess I'll just need to read comments on unfamiliar posters videos.


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Wait, so it's only going to include likes? What kind of metric is that if you can't compare it to dislikes? Besides, I thought uploaders had the option to disable ratings anyway.

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Quite obviously a move aimed at minimizing public negative feedback for cooperate marketing in general.

No more news articles about "most disliked video on youtube" or "company's marketing video getting mass disliked".

Funnily enough, I think google's own video youtube rewind is included in that category (although they've gotten rid of it since it became blatantly obvious the rewind is now just fake advertisement for advertisers).

VideoboysaysCube posted...

Besides, I thought uploaders had the option to disable ratings anyway.

They do, but you never want to disable the likes/dislikes or the comments unless you are getting mass negative feedback and want to hide it, because those systems count as engagement for the youtube algorithm, and everyone assumes if those systems are disabled by choice, it was because of mass negative feedback anyway, so the fact there is negative feedback isn't really being hidden.
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It's absolutely unjustifiable. The only people who benefit from this are companies who don't want to have the obvious "ratings disabled" pop up and snow flakes. Neither should be catered to.

It may also cause less likes altogether Possibly
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But how else are we supposed to tell someone they suck?

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They've been talking about this for a while now, because the corporate overlords don't like people being able to leave negative feedback.

But it's not like it's been working the way it should for a while now anyway. Because even negative votes count as "engagement", which means massively downvoted videos are actually more likely to get recommended to people because of how the shit algorithm works.
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Rockstar is very happy now

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wtf? that's terrible

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

They've been talking about this for a while now, because the corporate overlords don't like people being able to leave negative feedback.

But it's not like it's been working the way it should for a while now anyway. Because even negative votes count as "engagement", which means massively downvoted videos are actually more likely to get recommended to people because of how the shit algorithm works.

So rather than fixing their shitty algorithm, they just disable parts of the system that they don't know how to properly handle?

Yep, that sounds like Google to me.

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boooo

Dikitain posted...

So rather than fixing their shitty algorithm, they just disable parts of the system that they don't know how to properly handle?

Yep, that sounds like Google to me.

Thier algorithm is pretty basic. Mega corps pays them the money, YouTube puts them on the front page. If YouTube dislikes you, you are essentially sent to SEO hell.

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Whatever. I used to think it would be a good idea, but I think it's also a good indicator to content creators that their content sucks.

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I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment)

Of the handful of videos I've posted I've only garnered a couple hundred views and I couldn't tell you how many likes or dislikes but it's probably not a lot of either

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Far-Queue posted...

I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment)

Same. All this need for validation on social media is pathetic.

baltoboulbobbi posted...

Rockstar is very happy now

What's wrong with the definitive edition? I hear some songs didn't make it due to licencing issues such as Billie Jean but that isn't a deal breaker.

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The algorithm doesn't see a difference between a like and a dislike, it's all just engagement. The visible likes/dislikes bar is only there for the viewer's benefit.

So of course they would remove it....

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stupid

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streamofthesky posted...

It's fucking terrible, I hate it

Blatantly obvious it's because of all the instances of big corporations posting unpopular videos and getting down voted to hell over them.

And they claim it's for the sake of the mental health of content creators or whatever... But the dislikes aren't actually going away, they're becoming "private", so the general populace can't see the number. So, the only one who CAN still see it... is the content creator himself/herself. Riiiiiight...

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YouTube already has alternatives popping up, pretty stupid to test more shit takes now.
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I don't use YouTube but can you even see the downvotes before clicking the video?

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wwinterj25 posted...

Same. All this need for validation on social media is pathetic.

What's wrong with the definitive edition? I hear some songs didn't make it due to licencing issues such as Billie Jean but that isn't a deal breaker.

Not the definitive edition, this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQT-O1nMSBU

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Why not just get rid of the dislike button altogether then?

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Far-Queue posted...

I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment)

I never really use the dislike button. But I do use the like button for the videos I like. Normally, the ones by content creators I like... Comments vary...
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Veedrock- posted...

I don't use YouTube but can you even see the downvotes before clicking the video?

I don't think so. But it's usually immediate visible when you click in. So, that could tell you whether or not to waste time with it in some cases...
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fuck YouTube. Theyre just as bad as Facebook and Twitter.

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jfc, why?

Likes by themselves are meaningless. Or is this YT bowing to corporate pressure from advertisers who make shitty games?

faramir77 posted...

Also, foreign owned bot accounts won't be able to mass spam the dislike button on news videos with the intention of swaying public perception.

...but now they can spam the like button on videos to sway public perception. And if your first reaction is "DAMN FOREIGGGNNNERS!!!" that's a little sketch.

Muscles posted...

Why not just get rid of the dislike button altogether then?

And why not just put the whole world in a bottle?!

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It's really dumb. But I guess this gives them less data so they can't push certain videos to front page. But I suspect they're going to push certain videos regardless of what algorithm says

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streamofthesky posted...

Blatantly obvious it's because of all the instances of big corporations posting unpopular videos and getting down voted to hell over them.

And Joe biden/official white house channel videos getting massively down voted

JOExHIGASHI posted...

It's really dumb. But I guess this gives them less data so they can't push certain videos to front page. But I suspect they're going to push certain videos regardless of what algorithm says

they always have

as soon as they started being a platform for more mainstream content they totally changed their playbook and smaller creators have to play by a much different and more challenging set of rules compared to talk show hosts and other massively popular things that have made their way to youtube

and yeah if something will help their bottom line they put it as trending regardless of their algorithm

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Zeus posted...

And why not just put the whole world in a bottle?!

Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet?
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faramir77 posted...

Thoughts?

Couldnt care less tbh.


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A site I visit did something like this very briefly and there was a massive backlash. They quickly reinstated it because it wasn't really helping anything.

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That is unfortunate. The like and dislike bar is the easiest way to tell if a video is good or bad most of the time. What I mean is, videos that have to deliver(like, a sick magic trick, a fail compilation, etc) are actually generally not very good if the ratio is off.

Solid Sonic posted...

A site I visit did something like this very briefly and there was a massive backlash. They quickly reinstated it because it wasn't really helping anything.

Google/YouTube doesn't really pay attention to backlash, though, and they definitely don't care about helping anything.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Google/YouTube doesn't really pay attention to backlash, though, and they definitely don't care about helping anything.

Why do I have this urge to lash out against your response?

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet?

But I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs!

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People who deserve to be criticized couldn't handle the criticism.

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The following is a brief list of things I'd rather they remove instead.
Advertising.
The YouTube TV trial that pops up in the corner of the screen.
That blue box that says I'm not signed in.
That other blue box that points out the Join button.
That bar that shows up at the bottom of the video when I pause it trying to read something, which is now obscured by the bar.
That miniature player that pops up after I leave the page and continues the video I didn't want to finish.

I'm also annoyed at creators who talk about the percentage of viewers who aren't subscribed and fail to realize that those viewers don't have an account, thus they can't subscribe.

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Bad move that one.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet?

He has though. The cure can be yours for only $99/month for the first two years.

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It's a relic of the 2000s.
Youtube is a PR platform now, not about individual creators, but about corporate interests.

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YouTube, as much as Facebook, Twitter, and most social media platform, have shown in the last years or so that they are nothing but tools of the left. Considering they are going out of their way to try and censor ANYTHING that criticized all (and that's a lot) of Biden's failures, more recently as any form of defense of Rittenhouse, or promoting the usual woke garbage, this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone capable of any form of thought.

I mean, if you want to get a pulse of what the world thinks of the woke (not the reasonable part) of leftist ideologies, just look at the usual upvote/downvote on the sjw garbage such as :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj10S5oqSOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpbxiAUSW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwvAgDCOdU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0

Or any recent YouTube yearly highlight reel. I could link garbage for a while which all received gigantic downvote ratios. The majority of the world are tired of woke garbage that YouTube tries to promote and removing the downvote option was another step at public censorship being enforced by leftist ideologies. "Don't like our brand of garbage? Then we'll disallow you a way of saying you don't like it."

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Dislikes should never be removed on anything.
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I forgot the dislike button removal thing was based on input from the US government.
There was a Senate thing earlier this year about harassment and the dislike button and they were asked to remove it.

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Got to protect those feels of terrible youtubers.

Judgmenl posted...

It's a relic of the 2000s.
Youtube is a PR platform now, not about individual creators, but about corporate interests.

Honestly I'm sad. What happened to just making videos for fun? Now it's all about engagement and algorithms.

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