Board 8 > Dave Chappelle's Netflix specials.

(+) Yeah! (+)

I had no idea B8 had so much trans representation. That's really cool actually. I'm not sure of some of the preferred pronouns though.

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See when a WHITE person does transphobia, they talk about eroding womanhood as a political and biological class! But when a BLACK person does transphobia, they talk about fake pussies!

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the good news (maybe, I'm not actually sure what point you're trying to make) is that he did both!

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someone on Twitter is posting ancient articles about comedians lamenting people criticizing their material and this one is pretty incredible

https://twitter.com/classicshowbiz/status/1451975934861447171?s=21

funniest joke Ive ever read

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I havent seen The Closer yet, but Dave is hilarious and Ive never really felt like any of his material came from a place of hatred. He makes jokes about everyone. Hes like the stand up comedian form of South Park. Nothing is off limits to his comedy and thats honestly how it should be. Its comedy. Theres always been a thin line with it and today that line is so obscured you cant even find it because everyone feels personally attacked by everything.

Johnbobb posted...

As a general rule of thumb, it's best to avoid Caitlyn Jenner as the standard for anything trans; most of the trans community can't stand her.

What a hilarious double standard. "She doesn't feel the same way I do about being trans so WE MUST CANCEL HER". Just goes to show how most modern "woke Twitter" movements are populated by some of the most bitter bigots in the world

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swordz9 posted...

Hes like the stand up comedian form of South Park.

South Park has been incredibly harmful and further emboldened the Enlightened Centrist ideology, so that's not a best example for the point you're trying to make

Being 'above it all' means that 99% of the time you're just propagating conservative values

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Also, I've watched the majority of Chapelle's work and to say he makes fun of everything is disingenuous. The prime targets for his humor were white people (punching up), cops (punching up), and black people (self-deprecation). Making 'jokes' about trans people is entirely different.

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KamikazePotato posted...

South Park has been incredibly harmful and further emboldened the Enlightened Centrist ideology

lmao what

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

What a hilarious double standard. "She doesn't feel the same way I do about being trans so WE MUST CANCEL HER". Just goes to show how most modern "woke Twitter" movements are populated by some of the most bitter bigots in the world

You know she literally killed someone right?

And aside from that, she's just completely full of shit, politically far-right, supports anti-trans legislation, and is inconsistent on any of her views on anything. Just a really awful example that people who don't know much about trans people have a tendency to prop up as the face of the trans community.

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uh yeah, i think people hate caitlyn jenner because she's a terrible person, not because "she doesn't feel the same way i do about being trans."

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Yet another double standard, because pointing out Bruce Jenner was a giant shit pile of a human being after he transitioned was immediate cause for Tumblerinas to call people transphobia.

Which is it, is Caitlyn Jenner a "woman of the year", or a giant shit bag?

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Yet another double standard, because pointing out Bruce Jenner was a giant shit pile of a human being after he transitioned was immediate cause for Tumblerinas to call people transphobia.

Which is it, is Caitlyn Jenner a "woman of the year", or a giant shit bag?

Giant shit bag

It was never the trans community that boosted up Caitlyn Jenner. She got the attention because she was already rich and famous beforehand.

And deadnaming and misgendering her isn't helping your argument

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I feel like BT watched that one season of South Park and didn't get the running gag about PC Principal at all.
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jcgamer107 posted...

lmao what

Quite a few impressionable teens based their political ideology on South Park growing up. People who didn't do that often fail to realize that, for people who are at a malleable stage in their life where they political leanings are in flux, that comedy is an EXTREMELY effective vector for transmitting ideologies. Lots of people watched South Park and walked away from it thinking that climate change was a joke, liberals complain too much, and that the answer always lies somewhere in the middle

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They fucking sucked Harrich

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South park was awesome. You can't be right 100% of the time!

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They straight up make fun of "generic Republican global warming denier" in that episode. Anyone who actually watched it thinking the point was "global warming is all a hoax" probably had already believed it.
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Id blame people just being incredibly stupid instead of South Park

How much it entertained you is the point. Being entertained will change people's political ideologies far more than logic will. Jokes often transcend being 'just jokes' no matter how much their creators try to claim that comedy isn't supposed to be taken seriously. It's a significant reason why Trump stood out as the GOP fruntrunner - he entertained people much more than the other candidates. It's also the reason why a lot of proto-incels started out as 4channers who were saying the n-word as joke. For some of them, it might have been, but not so much after years of repeated behavior.

South Park's most famous political moments are by far whenever it espouses right-wing ideologies. Manbearpig is probably the biggest one and helped mold a bunch of impressionable youths into thinking climate change was fake. PC Principal is another, and yes, the context of the latter is lost on the vast majority of watchers and/or people sharing memes without watching it. South Park, at best, claims you should be 'above it all' which basically just means being a coward. At worst is straight-up pushes conservatism. And because it entertains people, because it makes them laugh, they pay attention.

tl;dr - Humor changes opinions.

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kevwaffles posted...

They straight up make fun of "generic Republican global warming denier" in that episode. Anyone who actually watched it thinking the point was "global warming is all a hoax" probably had already believed it.

You're severely underplaying how many people don't have strong political beliefs, especially growing up. To you jokes like that don't matter because you believe in something and believe it strongly. To people on the fence, what they see is their favorite TV show making fun of something they're on the fence about. This is especially true for young teens who are still adjusting their worldview.

And the 'generic Republican global warming denier' is a token effort to seem neutral. The entire episode was about Al Gore bein a lunatic pushing a crackpot theory. There's a reason they had to do a literal apology episode (years after the fact, and by far too late to undo the damage).

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kevwaffles posted...

They straight up make fun of "generic Republican global warming denier" in that episode. Anyone who actually watched it thinking the point was "global warming is all a hoax" probably had already believed it.

and they also made fun of Al Gore MANBEARPIG with equal aplomb. That's exactly what KP is talking about. Their default strategy is "This side is extreme and this side is extreme. The answer lies in the middle!" It's not inherently wrong, but "the middle" is a very large region, and South Park's job isn't to offer solutions, so you're not left with a particularly useful analysis, and so you're only left with the kind of apathetic "I reject both sides. I am superior" enlightened centrism KP objects to.

The episode doesn't say that global warming is a hoax. It merely rejects, directly or indirectly, its urgency, which isn't much better.

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I mean I get it but if you're point is that comedy is the tool of conservatism idk what to say.

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This is very reminiscent of "violent video games" arguments.
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pjbasis posted...

I mean I get it but if you're point is that comedy is the tool of conservatism idk what to say.

Comedy is a tool for both sides.

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pjbasis posted...

I mean I get it but if you're point is that comedy is the tool of conservatism idk what to say.

It's a tool for both sides. We were talking about South Park, which yes, leans heavily towards conservatism and enlightened centrism

kevwaffles posted...

This is very reminiscent of "violent video games" arguments.

No, because most people aren't waffling on whether or not it's okay to shoot people. People's political affiliations and what they believe on social issues are constantly in flux.

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kevwaffles posted...

This is very reminiscent of "violent video games" arguments.

You could say that South Park desensitizes young people into not caring about issues the same way you could say that violent video games desensitize young people to violence, sure.

The bad part about the violence in video games outrage was the push to ban them, not the implication that theres a connection between the media people console and their thought patterns, because there clearly is. See: governments regulating loot boxes because they foster addictive gambling behavior.

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Backing up KP here, I think South Park poisoned the minds of our generation with really garbage politics

promoting ideas and biases through media is a whole different beast to violence

denying that the media we consume effects our beliefs is simply ahistorical, heck the history of comic books knows all about that one

without the media's disgusting portrayals of trans women in the early aughts (very much hello again South Park) I likely wouldn't have been too embarrassed of myself to come out until my late 20s

kinda the entire reason this topic exists in the first place, because of the harm of Chappelle's gross jokes being absorbed by an ignorant audience who then get defensive when their celeb idol is criticized and dismiss it all on buzzwords like cancel culture so they can ignore the voices of those actually suffering

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i was done with south park when they started shitting on richard dawkins. that seemed exactly like the kind of enlightened centrism KP was talking about.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Backing up KP here, I think South Park poisoned the minds of our generation with really garbage politics

It's interesting because SP also influenced me in some really positive ways. There was one about drugs that was really salient and unlike any other message I'd seen on the topic. I don't agree with everything, and see how they even should have apologized for some stuff.

I think people get offended because when there's controversy about something, people these guys come out and say "it was always terrible." Which really denies the complexity of the situation.

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I never said South Park was always terrible. SP would never have been a problem if it wasn't one of the funniest comedies of our generation. But it also has some really terrible politics, and yes it always has, I was just way too young at the time to grasp that.

Poisoned the minds of our generation is quite strong!

It can be both though. South Park was enlightened in some aspects while being horribly ignorant in others. Like people!

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Jakyl25 posted...

See: governments regulating loot boxes because they foster addictive gambling behavior.

It literally IS gambling when you're paying money for it. No fostering about it.
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Im wondering if some of you just care way too much about political garbage or maybe I just care way too little since I dont care at all. I dont care what kind of messages the show might be trying to send. All I care about is whether it makes me laugh or not.

swordz9 posted...

Im wondering if some of you just care way too much about political garbage or maybe I just care way too little since I dont care at all.

Hello there Mr. Enlightened Centrist, how is your stay at I'm Too Cool To Care?

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swordz9 posted...

Im wondering if some of you just care way too much about political garbage

this is literally the ideology of south park that's being argued here

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pjbasis posted...

Poisoned the minds of our generation is quite strong!

It can be both though. South Park was enlightened in some aspects while being horribly ignorant in others. Like people!

I laughed because you're doing the exact same thing South Park does where it discredits points of view by equivocating and taking a central stance

I do not have the energy to write my "why South Park's ideology of toxic cynicism about everyone and everything was not good for our culture" bit but all I can say is that South Park was a complicated, often hilarious show that nevertheless reinforced a lot of really not-great beliefs in a lot of people, some of whom are close friends, and it doesn't matter if the show was good sometimes, the poison was still poison

GuessMyUserName posted...

this is literally the ideology of south park that's being argued here

Yeah I was going to say this exact stance is literally the thing that South Park has reinforced that I think is bad, sooooo, yeah

You ask me since I dont identify as any political anything nor do I think Im too cool to care. I just have no interest in it.

swordz9 posted...

Im wondering if some of you just care way too much about political garbage or maybe I just care way too little since I dont care at all. I dont care what kind of messages the show might be trying to send.

The"why can't you just let Robocop be a rad policeman" mindset.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I laughed because you're doing the exact same thing South Park does where it discredits points of view by equivocating and taking a central stance

Taking a nuanced approach that does not arrive at a hasty conclusion is not the same thing at all.

If you can't tell the difference that's on you. And based on the rest of your post you have something personal involved here too.

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pjbasis posted...

Taking a nuanced approach that does not arrive at a hasty conclusion is not the same thing at all.

If you can't tell the difference that's on you. And based on the rest of your post you have something personal involved here too.

Your approach is not nuanced, it's vapid, and South Park has taught you its message very well if the difference is lost on you.

Swords would you not have had an opinion on slavery? I don't think its possible to not care about politics, you just think it means something distant categorically.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Your approach is not nuanced, it's vapid, and South Park has taught you its message very well if the difference is lost on you.

Alright go off you're right I'm wrong cool dude.

You're so far above me I can't tell.

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swordz9 posted...

You ask me since I dont identify as any political anything nor do I think Im too cool to care.

it sounds like you're too cool to care if you phase it as "political garbage," though. like "oh i'm too cool for this garbage."

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The enlightened rejection of the enlightened centrist, if you will.
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pjbasis posted...

Swords would you not have had an opinion on slavery? I don't think its possible to not care about politics, you just think it means something distant categorically.

You are literally insightfully demonstrating the harm that I believe South Park caused right in the middle of this discussion

swordz9 posted...

You ask me since I dont identify as any political anything nor do I think Im too cool to care. I just have no interest in it.

That didn't happen by accident

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