Poll of the Day > What are the chances that America's COVID deaths will tip the balance in future.

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Carter-A259
08/07/21 12:58:22 PM
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Elections

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adjl
08/07/21 1:06:51 PM
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Presidential elections? Fairly slim. I don't expect total deaths to break more than 800-850k (throwback to when Trump was confident they'd never break 100k >.>), maybe a million if it really drags on. The 2020 election had a difference of ~7 million votes overall, while the 2016 one differed by about 3 million. Even if we were to assume that 100% of those deaths belonged to one party or the other (which is flat-out incorrect), that's not going to be enough to make up those differences.

More local elections? It's not impossible, but areas where the vast majority of people dying are of similar political affiliations are generally areas where the vast majority of people in general share that same affiliation anyway, and Covid's not killing enough people to change that. I expect a few elections will be influenced by Covid deaths in particularly contentious areas, but nothing on a really large scale.

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Carter-A259
08/07/21 1:06:57 PM
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Bump

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Kyuubi4269
08/07/21 1:12:34 PM
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adjl posted...
areas where the vast majority of people dying are of similar political affiliations are generally areas where the vast majority of people in general share that same affiliation anyway

Some places are just older than others and places going through a transition would likely be knocked more to the left.
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Judgmenl
08/07/21 1:17:05 PM
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No. What an asinine assumption.

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Carter-A259
08/07/21 1:19:11 PM
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adjl posted...
I don't expect total deaths to break more than 800-850k
Remember, some states like Florida have undercounted deaths.

It might already be a million.

adjl posted...
More local elections? It's not impossible, but areas where the vast majority of people dying are of similar political affiliations are generally areas where the vast majority of people in general share that same affiliation anyway, and Covid's not killing enough people to change that. I expect a few elections will be influenced by Covid deaths in particularly contentious areas, but nothing on a really large scale.
Remember, not all Americans in Republican majority districts are Republican.

And a lot of Republicans are fat and old, so the chances of them dying are significantly higher than Democrats.

79% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths are from obese and older people.

It places like the South, and in Florida and Texas, I expect there to be at least a few Democratic gains in elections.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/07/21 1:48:32 PM
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It was reported that dead people voted in the last US election. Why would they be unable to vote in the next one?

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adjl
08/07/21 2:06:56 PM
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Carter-A259 posted...
Remember, not all Americans in Republican majority districts are Republican.

And a lot of Republicans are fat and old, so the chances of them dying are significantly higher than Democrats.

79% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths are from obese and older people.

There's likely to be some bias, but even eliminating 10% of the republican base (which requires the assumptions of 100% infection, 10% mortality, and 100% of the mortality being republicans, all three of which are very generous assumptions) isn't going to be enough to sway most republican-dominated areas.

Some Democratic gains wouldn't surprise me, but I don't expect anything tremendously significant.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
It was reported that dead people voted in the last US election. Why would they be unable to vote in the next one?

Oh boy.

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Lokarin
08/07/21 2:12:24 PM
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adjl posted...
Oh boy.

idk... if you register to vote early and then die, does your vote still count? I mean, you DID vote proper in that election

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adjl
08/07/21 2:13:42 PM
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If you just register, no (at least, it's not supposed to). If you cast a vote at an advance poll, I believe so (at least, it should).

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KodyKeir
08/07/21 6:43:12 PM
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It might swing some districts that are historically close (<1000 vote difference) but I don't think it will have a major impact on the overall results.

Carter-A259 posted...
Remember, some states like Florida have undercounted deaths.


And that's not even a red/blue problem but the discretion of local Medical Examiners, and why some media outlets have been using excess deaths as the measurement and not reported covid deaths. There probably won't be a forensic audit until after the pandemic is declared over, and even then cases will fall through the cracks.

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JixHedgehog
08/07/21 7:32:33 PM
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Joe's got 129k under his belt, he's got a while to go, especially with half the country being vaccinated..

.. then again he did say our darkest days with the vid are ahead of us 8 months ago (around the time the Trump vaccine started to roll out)

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KodyKeir
08/07/21 7:47:44 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
the Trump vaccine

If it gets people to take it you can call it that, but it ignores that the project for MRNA corona vaccines was started under the Obama administration, cancelled under Trump when it was 90% complete, and then revived when he realized he didn't want to die.

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adjl
08/07/21 11:34:55 PM
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.. then again he did say our darkest days with the vid are ahead of us 8 months ago

8 months ago was early January, and January/February did see some of the highest death rates of the entire pandemic. That period was already underway at that point, but it still wasn't wrong. The third wave was really rough. Now, case numbers are tracking upward roughly as quickly as they did for that third wave, and deaths are starting to follow suit, so I'd expect quite a few more.

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Fierce_Deity_08
08/08/21 12:34:47 AM
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Lokarin posted...
idk... if you register to vote early and then die, does your vote still count? I mean, you DID vote proper in that election
Dang, thats a good question actually. Sort of like when my mom registered for a college class and the teacher died two days before class started.

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KodyKeir
08/08/21 1:01:17 AM
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Lokarin posted...


idk... if you register to vote early and then die, does your vote still count?

adjl posted...
If you cast a vote at an advance poll,

Once it is in the ballot box, it counts.

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wolfy42
08/08/21 1:16:49 AM
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None at all, because there have not been enough deaths to really make any sort of difference. 150 mill or so new people are born every year. 4 mill or so total people have died from covid. Our population total is still increasing. Statistically deaths from covid are just a tiny blip.

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Mead
08/08/21 1:17:28 AM
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I would really doubt that would happen

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Carter-A259
08/08/21 10:44:50 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
None at all, because there have not been enough deaths to really make any sort of difference. 150 mill or so new people are born every year. 4 mill or so total people have died from covid. Our population total is still increasing. Statistically deaths from covid are just a tiny blip.
Im referring to America's population. Not tge world's.

American births are at an all time low

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KodyKeir
08/08/21 8:35:50 PM
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Well Ron de Santis seems intent on killing as many voters as possible, but voters from across the country are flocking to Florida to be closer to their god emperor, so it might balance itself out.

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Judgmenl
08/08/21 8:37:28 PM
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I'm proud I took the trump vaccine. Best thing he did in his entire presidency. Why won't republicans take the Trump vaccine with me? Why do so many innocent people have to die in Florida? Does Governor DeSantis not like Trump?

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Carter-A259
08/08/21 9:05:11 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
I'm proud I took the trump vaccine. Best thing he did in his entire presidency. Why won't republicans take the Trump vaccine with me? Why do so many innocent people have to die in Florida? Does Governor DeSantis not like Trump?
Shut up

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Judgmenl
08/08/21 9:08:00 PM
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Carter-A259 posted...
Shut up
Instead of listening to the truth you stoop to low hanging insults. I feel bad for you.

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Mead
08/08/21 9:09:43 PM
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Carter-A259 posted...
Shut up

He is right though, think about it

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Metalsonic66
08/08/21 9:26:29 PM
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It already did

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