Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE TWO!)

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I'm sad that FFH didn't make the top ten. It was so close with that trio of 313, 312 and 306 throughout the whole compilation of the list, and I knew one of the three wouldn't make the top ten, and it's the one I ranked in third place.

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3. The Incredible Hulk (2008)
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7.Captain Marvel (2019)
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10. Thor (2011)
11. Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
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13. Iron Man 3 (2013)
14. Iron Man 2 (2010)
15. Avengers: Age of Ultron
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17. Thor: The Dark World
18. Spider-Man Far From Home
19. Ant-Man (2015)
20. Doctor Strange (2016)
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22. Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018)
23. Iron Man (2008)

Not as completely off as my outlier score might suggest

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Inviso posted...

I'm sad that FFH didn't make the top ten. It was so close with that trio of 313, 312 and 306 throughout the whole compilation of the list, and I knew one of the three wouldn't make the top ten, and it's the one I ranked in third place.

Oh yeah how sad to lose your #3 at 11th place.

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here comes zens very boring list chugga chugga choo choo

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8. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)
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12. Iron Man (2008)
13. Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
14. Ant-Man (2015)
15. Doctor Strange (2016)
16. Iron Man 3 (2013)
17. Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018)
18. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
19. Captain Marvel (2019)
20. Thor (2011)
21. Iron Man 2 (2010)
22. The Incredible Hulk (2008)
23. Thor: The Dark World (2013)

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5. Ant-Man
6. Doctor Strange
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9.
10. Thor
11.
12. Thor: The Dark World
13. Avengers: Age of Ultron
14. Captain America: The First Avenger
15. Captain Marvel
16. Iron Man 2
17.
18. Ant-Man & The Wasp
19. Iron Man
20. Spider-Man: Far From Home
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22. Iron Man 3
23. The Incredible Hulk

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2. Spider-Man: Far From Home
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4. Doctor Strange
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7. 
   
8. Captain Marvel
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10. Avengers: Age of Ultron
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13. Ant-Man
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15. Thor
16. Iron Man
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18. The Incredible Hulk
19. Iron Man 2
20. Captain America: The First Avenger
21. Iron Man 3
22. Ant-Man and the Wasp
23. Thor: The Dark World

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10Spider-Man: Far From Home
11Iron Man
12Captain America: The First Avenger
13Iron Man 3
14Thor
15Avengers: Age of Ultron
16Doctor Strange
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18Ant-Man and the Wasp
19Ant-Man
20Captain Marvel
21The Incredible Hulk
22Iron Man 2
23Thor: The Dark World

Things have been pretty reasonable so far imo

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Random thought that wasn't in the write up I thought the Mysterio as possibly being from Earth 616 or whatever was perfect because it was just plausible enough for me to think "okay maybe Mysterio IS a good guy in this one" but it being total nonsense was also perfect for the character. I like the movie more for that.

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Oh list btw

5. Iron Man
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Doctor Strange
10. Ant-Man
11. SPIDER-MAN: Far From Home
12. ???
13. ???
14. Thor 2 Loki is Great
15. ???
16. Thor By Odin's Beard
17. Iron Man 2
18. Captain Marvel
19. Ant-Man and Girl Flying Ant-Man
20. Captain America: The Force Awakens
21. Iron Man 3
22. Incredible Hulk: Default
23. Avengers: Age of Endless Whedon Quips

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I don't have a list but I assume both GotGs would be in my Top 10, so this is good that 2 didn't drop in 11th (or earlier!) like people were expecting.

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Ok

6. Iron Man
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Iron Man 3
12. Age of Ultron
13. Doctor Strange
14.
15. Spider-man: Far From Home
16. Iron Man 2
17. Captain Marvel
18. Thor
19. Captain America
20. Ant-Man
21. Ant-Man and the Wasp
22.Thor: The Dark World
23.The Incredible Hulk

IM's fucking bizarre, criminally and offensively low placement is the only big blow thus far. I expect the next to be GotG 2 and that'd be ok.
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I totally didn't accidentally quote myself, nothing to see here
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Since I guess everyone's doing it...

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2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Iron Man 3
8. Ant-Man
9.
10. Doctor Strange
11. Ant-Man and the Wasp
12.
13.
14.
15. Spider-Man: Far From Home
16. Iron Man 2
17. Captain Marvel
18. Iron Man
19. Thor
20. Captain America: The First Avenger
21. Avengers: Age of Ultron
22. The Incredible Hulk
23. Thor: The Dark World

Everything left is a good movie so I'm not terribly bothered. I'm kinda surprised I'm as high in outliers as I am given that I really don't feel like my opinions are that far out of the mold

Oh and yeah I assume the next one out is GOTG2 although the margins in this part of the list are close enough that it could end up being Homecoming, Civil War, or even Black Panther I guess, but it's probably just GOTG2

I admit I'm a little surprised at how high FFH ranks in some peoples' rankings - it was a fun movie but kinda weirdly forgettable for me? And I don't really remember anyone talking about it at the time. I don't have a problem with it but I am surprised, since I liked Homecoming a lot more.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I admit I'm a little surprised at how high FFH ranks in some peoples' rankings - it was a fun movie but kinda weirdly forgettable for me? And I don't really remember anyone talking about it at the time. I don't have a problem with it but I am surprised, since I liked Homecoming a lot more.

FFH had the misfortune of being immediately after Endgame, so it's hard to stand out unless you're making a conscious effort to ranking the movies on their individual merits.

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The funny thing is, I've only seen both Homecoming and Far From Home once, but Homecoming was a movie I binged in between the rest of phase three getting caught up for Endgame, and Far From Home I saw in the theaters when it came out, and yet Homecoming I remember with what feels like crystal clarity and Far From Home I don't remember that well at all despite it having the whole stage to itself.

Paratroopa1 posted...

The funny thing is, I've only seen both Homecoming and Far From Home once, but Homecoming was a movie I binged in between the rest of phase three getting caught up for Endgame, and Far From Home I saw in the theaters when it came out, and yet Homecoming I remember with what feels like crystal clarity and Far From Home I don't remember that well at all despite it having the whole stage to itself.

I didnt rank FFH as high as a bunch of people, but it was the other way around for me. Ive seen Homecoming three times, but so little of it sticks with me and I never really got why its such a big deal, whereas FFH at least stands out to me as one of the more unconventional MCU movies thanks to the illusions and the twist, along with the villain feeling like more of a genuine threat.

I think what helps it for me was my buddy got us some tickets to an early screening. So that was a really fun time. I saw it like two more times once it came out for real too.

Now that I think about it I've only seen 3 MCU movies in theaters more than once and they just happen to take up the Top 4. I wasn't really seeing movies in theaters when the other one came out, or I probably would have!

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8. Iron Man
9. Doctor Strange
10. ???
11. Avengers: Age of Ultron
12. Spider-Man: Far From Home
13. ???
14. Ant-Man
15. Captain America: The First Avenger
16. ???
17. Ant-Man and the Wasp
18. Iron Man 2
19. Thor
20. Captain Marvel
21. Iron Man 3
22. The Incredible Hulk
23. Thor: The Dark World

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Despite being a big fan of Spider-man something has felt off to me about both of his MCU films. I've loved his cameo roles in Civil War and the later Avengers movies but when he's gotten the stage to himself something just hasn't clicked.

I think I just don't like the MCU portrayal of Spider-man. I think there's just too much Stark influence on his growth and powers for my taste.

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Holy fuck I never would have predicted that drop. Unreal!

Based on some of the Far From Home write ups, Im gonna guess Homecoming is next.
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Seanchan posted...

I think I just don't like the MCU portrayal of Spider-man. I think there's just too much Stark influence on his growth and powers for my taste.

It was a poison pill for a character I usually like.

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Definitely agree a bit. The Spider-Man movies serve as Tony Stark development movies in a world without Iron Man standalone films.

Spider-Man takes a backseat in his own movies.

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Tinfoil hat theory time: it's because Spidey was a people's hero and D/sney doesn't want too much grassroot activism so they had the multimillionaire Tony Stark take him under his wings and influence.

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I really push back on this take. I don't think it compromises Spider-Man's character or makes him take a backseat in his own movie.

Tony Stark is phenomenal in the MCU, and there was a great opportunity to leverage that in growing Peter in this world. Stark had a lot of good lessons to pass on to him, and elevates Spider-Man's journey. "if you're nothing without the suit, then you don't deserve to have it." is a great lesson for peter beyond the great responsibility line. Yeah, it's not just about how strong Peter is, or how smart he is, or how many gadgets he has. Why is *he* worthy of this kind of power, and responsibility?

They carried it through and made a great movie, and a great character. Opportunities like this don't come along often. I don't think this was "shoehorning Tony Stark into everything", it's taking advantage of a great opportunity that would not ordinarily be available.

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Honestly I think I much prefer Stark over Uncle Ben for the third time in fifteen years, glad they chose to remix the character instead of rehashing the same origin story

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CoolCly posted...

I really push back on this take. I don't think it compromises Spider-Man's character or makes him take a backseat in his own movie.

Tony Stark is phenomenal in the MCU, and there was a great opportunity to leverage that in growing Peter in this world. Stark had a lot of good lessons to pass on to him, and elevates Spider-Man's journey. "if you're nothing without the suit, then you don't deserve to have it." is a great lesson for peter beyond the great responsibility line. Yeah, it's not just about how strong Peter is, or how smart he is, or how many gadgets he has. Why is *he* worthy of this kind of power, and responsibility?

They carried it through and made a great movie, and a great character. Opportunities like this don't come along often. I don't think this was "shoehorning Tony Stark into everything", it's taking advantage of a great opportunity that would not ordinarily be available.

I certainly agree that Stark has been a great backbone for the MCU and that Marvel will be very hard pressed to move the MCU to even greater heights without the Tony and Steve duopoly. (Though I'm on board to see them try! I think it IS going to take folding in the X-Men and Fantastic Four to achieve.)

I also totally understand that it makes absolute sense for Stark to be the "father figure" in Peter's life.

It's hard for me to pin down and put into words. I just remember feeling a child-like sense of giddiness and joy seeing Spider-man in Civil War. That airport scene might be my favorite thing in the MCU. But I walked away from Homecoming kind of disappointed. And then the same thing happened again with Far From Home.

I think how the X-Men get rolled into the MCU will be telling. They are/were totally capable of being their own franchise. So will they also feel beholden to the greater core universe or will they be able to stand on their own.

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Honestly I think I much prefer Stark over Uncle Ben for the third time in fifteen years, glad they chose to remix the character instead of rehashing the same origin story

This is the big reason I'm for it

I was groaning at the idea of Spider-Man Homecoming when I first heard of it but was pleasantly surprised liberties were taken

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10. Spider-Man: Homecoming
Total Score: 312

ZenOfThunder 1
HanOfTheNekos 4
Illuminatusbubu - 4
MetalmindStats 4
Paratroopa1 - 4
Raka Putra - 5
Sheep007 - 6
StifledSilence 6
CoolCly - 7
Maniac64 - 7
Mega Mana 7
TomNook - 7
Eddv - 8
MetalDK 8
Snake5555555555 - 9
GavsEvans123 10
Red13n - 10
Mr Crispy - 11
Whiskey Nick 11
Anagram 12
Cybat 12
NBIceman - 12
ScepterOfLove 12
VengefulKaelee - 12
Corrik7 13
Lopen - 13
XIII Rocks 14
Inviso 16
Jesse Custer 16
BetrayedTangy - 17
Johnbobb 17
PrinceKaro - 17

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ZenOfThunder
I love Spider-Man, this is on par with Spider-Man 2 for me

HanOfTheNekos
What a damn good movie. Excellent soundtrack. Love the credits style.

So I'm a huge Spidey fan. He's my favorite. I've always been keyed in on him since the early cartoon days when I was a child. One of my favorite days was when I was at Universal Islands of Adventure and rode the Spider-Man ride 8 times in a row. Nothing beats Spidey. Best cast of villains (Batman is the only one who competes there). Best personality.

And this movie just nailed it in terms of finding a good Peter and a good Spidey. That was always the issue with Macguire and then Garfield. Good Peter, good Spidey, but neither was both.

I love the modern, fresh take on Spidey. I love his wit. I love almost everything they did with him. SJW MJ is a hot take on the character, so we'll see where that goes. Incorporating Ned, doing him as the Miles Morales sidekick version was pretty solid. Vulture was absolutely amazing and I'm excited to see Shocker return in every single movie because people just don't care enough about him to lock him down.

The humor was top-notch. They really nailed Spidey in combat, which is such an important part of the character and didn't disappoint in any way. Peter himself has room to grow. Karen is ok. Is she an illegal AI? I want to know these things.

I don't think I'll ever be truly happy unless Spidey meets Coulson. I know that won't happen, but Coulson is such a fanboy for heroes... Peter would be such a fanboy for Coulson. It'd be the best reversal.

Spider-Man: Homecoming just makes me happy. Out of all of the Marvel movies, this one just makes me feel like a kid again. And it gives Tony Stark some good development again... keeps his character alive. And Happy!

I love that Happy literally was reading everything Peter sent to him. Making little comments about "the notes you leave around" showed that he really did care. And same for Tony - they cared the whole time.

Liz was cool I guess. A good way for them to leave MJ development until later. Personally though, I wouldn't mind if they went Ultimate-esque and made a Peter/MJ/Gwen love triangle. Obviously with Gwen as Ghost Spider.

I'm just really excited for where this series is going.

To conclude, this movie did just about everything right. They skipped over the origin story that we didn't need to see, but provided a fresh take on Peter starting out as a hero. He didn't even win the climactic fight through fighting! They cast him extraordinarily well. They gave him a good attachment to the actual Avengers, without making him instantly part of the team or just not. Spidey in combat was top tier, so he doesn't have to grow into that phase, which is so needed, I mean come on, that's the main reason to watch Spider-Man anyway.

Vulture was a good pick for the villain - focus on all the guys we didn't get to see in the Raimi movies. Give us Gargan again. Give us the Rhino. Give me some CARNAGE. And of course, the more modern characters would be great to include... Gwen's reboots have been well-received. I'd love for her to make an appearance in the MCU... even as one of Peter's classmates who oops is actually Gwenpool or something. Spider version would be interesting, but too similar to Spider-Man that it would be odd. Maybe make her an accidental creation of Peter's... but I digress, I'm digging too deep into what-ifs.

Anyway, I love this movie and I'm glad Marvel and Sony could work out a deal.

Illuminatusbubu
At last, a Spider-Man movie that I had always wanted. A Spider-Man who is really an insecure teenager instead of an unlikable a**h*** in the previous version.

MetalmindStats
Freed of the burden of living up to audiences expectations for a Spider-Man origin story, Homecoming gets to be its own movie, feeling as simultaneously fresh and familiar as its Peter Parker himself. With that comes a cleverly plot-integrated and generally rare good MCU villain in the Vulture, and Homecoming also gets to add extra layers to Tony Starks character and franchise-wide role along the way.

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Paratroopa1
Tension isn't a superhero punching a bad guy and getting punched by a bad guy until he outpunches the bad guy. Tension isn't a superhero facing a life or death situation and escaping at the last moment. Tension is Peter Parker, in the back of his girlfriend's crime boss dad's car, as he slowly pieces together Peter's identity as he digs himself more and more into a hole. The car scene is my favorite scene in the entire MCU, #1 ahead of any other scene - I think about it all the damn time. There are exciting scenes in the MCU, but this is the only one that's like, lump in my throat, unconsciously gripping the edge of my seat exciting. I've never really been a Spider-Man fan, and I felt like because he was always so popular, I was never going to really be able to appreciate him, but I was so wrong - this movie made me a fan. I love the smaller scope of this movie after all the big, dumb, overwrought plots in the other films. I love how lighthearted and feel good it is. I love the cast, I love the writing, but goddamn I love that car scene. Best villain in the MCU, bar none, even Thanos - Michael Keaton delivers a great performance as both a scary crime lord and a scary dad. That twist might literally be the only one I didn't see coming in the entire MCU - maybe I was dumb for not predicting it, but I literally said 'oh shit' out loud at the reveal.

Raka Putra
Ah yes, Tom Holland's Spider-Man. It was refreshing to have an MCU movie with a younger protagonist. The movie has that teen energy to it that, for me, made it easier to enjoy. Also that conversation in the car between Peter and the Vulture is muah *chef's kiss*. A great movie.

Sheep007
So, the third live-action Spiderman reboot, eh? I grew up with the Raimi movies (Im young for B8, okay?), and while I love them, it wasnt the peak of cinema. This is a different take on Peter Parker, and while its not exactly what I want, Tom Holland absolutely nails the humour, and its just a funny movie in general (Jacob Batalons delivery as Ned is the best). It has a weird high school 90s romcom vibe going on in parts, and it feels low-stakes in general, which is exactly what Spiderman needs compared to the existential or political threats of a lot of the MCU. Michael Keaton as the Vulture is phenomenal, and the scene where Peter realises his identity is probably the most painfully tense in the entire MCU. On the whole, the action is fine if not great, but where it really shines is Peter and his interactions with just about everyone (except Liz, who is a boring romantic interest). Hell, his interactions with random people like Donald Glover and the strangers on the street are highlights, as well as Happy. Tony in particular deserves special mention, for having the father/son dynamic with Peter without making it all about him. Overall, its a really fun and enjoyable movie with some great moments and a top-tier villain, which is all anyone is asking from a good Spiderman movie. Homecoming also has my favourite post-credits scene of all. Unfortunately, Spiderverse blows it (and everything on this ranking) out of the water as a movie (and probably postcredits too), but that doesnt make this one any worse.

StifledSilence
Now THIS is how you introduce a new character into the MCU. The first movies for Cap, Iron Man, and Thor were fine, but their best work was certainly later on. Homecoming, however, starts Spider-Man off with a bang. Easily one of the most entertaining MCU movies, it established Tom Holland as a top MCU star, and also an outstanding supporting cast into the mix. Michael Keaton, in particular, killed it as Vulture, expertly showing a duality in his relationship with Peter. Hes a fatherly presence that doesnt want to hurt Peter, but is also a very intimidating presence that will hurt Peter if necessary. It properly sows the seeds for what I think will be a return for Vulture in future installments.

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CoolCly
This is the best Spider-Man movie by far. Tom Holland is a phenomenal Peter Parker and a phenomenal Spider-Man.
His school feels fully lived in, with his good buddy Ned, his reimagined bully Flash, strange acquaintance MJ, his romantic interest Liz, the school principal thats related to a Howling Commando, the Captain America PSAs. its all so well put together. I love it all.
RDJ is in yet another movie, and this bothers a lot of people, but I think its awesome. Tony Stark has been established as such a cornerstone of the heroes, his charisma interacting with literally anybody, and the list of failures and character flaws hes piled up that he wouldnt want a protg to repeat makes him perfect for bringing in as the mentor. And its handled very well. Despite his strong influence on the movie, hes actually not in it very much. They just really use him to great effect. It seems like hes not listening or taking Peter seriously, but theres a lot of key moments when he pokes holes in Peters lies with facts that Peter told Happy earlier in the movie that show he really does take Peter seriously. The scene after the ferry where he comes out of the suit (the opposite of earlier in the movie where he sent an empty shell) when Peter thinks hes not really there is fantastic.
The suit Peter uses is kinda cool, but I do kind of dislike the idea of Peter having such a high tech suit so early in his career. But its used to great effect as a plot device to accelerate his capabilities and then have it taken away for the climax.
Ive seen people complain about the scene where Peter is trapped under rubble, and that its aping a similar scene from the comics that had way more stakes, since Aunt May was in mortal danger at the time and Peter had to pull through and power his way out, and those stakes were completely missing in this version. But I think thats really unfair to this version. Its very well set up, as this movie is centered around the idea that Peter REALLY wants to step up into the big leagues as an Avenger, not just be stuck with minor squabbles in the neighborhood. Thats what leads to friction between him and Tony, and gets the suit taken away. Tony wants Peter to recognize where hes at in his career and focus on the things around him and his life, which would be school and learning about his responsibilities, and just take advantage of being a kid still. Peter thinks hes a hero and ready to take on the world. When he gets pinned under all that rubble, and he cant get out, thats when it all starts to fall apart. He panics and screams out for help. Peter becomes just another kid. Its an incredibly humbling moment for him, and changes his perspective entirely. When he calms down and is able to refocus and get himself out, he comes out actually ready to do what he needs to do, and to make the choice he makes with Tony and Pepper at the end of the movie.
The Vulture is obviously fantastic. Hes great at showing the impact Avenger events can have on normal people, and though hes definitely villainous and goes beyond just being a guy looking out for his crew and family, he really does care about the people around him. The scene when he opens the door and meets Peter is phenomenal, and the scene in the car is god tier.
This is a GREAT movie and I love it.

Maniac64
Best Spider-man movie ever. Finally a character that felt like a young funy spider-man for me. The side characters are strong, the villain is done really well. Just a great Spider-man movie that really made up for the failed Garfield reboot.

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Mega Mana
First Scene That Comes to Mind: Peter and Liz get dropped off at homecoming

Tobey Maguire is an amazing Peter Parker, and a decent Spider-Man. Andrew Garfield is a great Spider-Man, but not much of a Parker. Tom Holland is both in spades and blends them so perfectly together into one cohesive whole. He got an incredible introduction in Civil War, getting about ten minutes to establish his home life (Aunt May, neighborhood, science & engineering love, sense of responsibility and fears and courage) and fighting prowess (throwing down with the Avengers, and highlighting his exuberance, youth, strategic mind, and respect), and here he is months later with his new suit, being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, dealing with school and puberty, and a yen for getting back into Avengers-style action.

I love the school environment, I love his friends, I love everything going on with Keaton's Vulture, I love the Tony Stark father figure stuff, I love Aunt May, I love the new suit, I love friendly neighborhood Peter Parker at the bodega, I love Donald Glover, I love Nacho, I love the directions and flows of different choices being made influencing how the movie progresses, I love how Vulture and Spidey are sort of mirrored in using what they find in the refuse to do what they think is right for their families and how Stark/SHIELD affects them both very differently. I think it's just a great, fun movie with an absolutely amazing retooling of the Vulture.

At least there's no debate as to which is the best and which is the worst Spider-Man movie. (It's Spider-Verse and Amazing Spider-Man 2, respectively).
P.S. Also, first Pepper Potts sighting since Iron Man 3? Four years absence? That was low-key one of the biggest in-theater surprise moments of the MCU.

TomNook
Spider-Man and Tony Stark carrying a movie is going to lead to a fun time. Tom Holland does amazing as Peter Parker. Michael Keaton sells the villain well and has a bit more depth than many of the forgettable "BAD GUY SMAAAASH" Marvel villains. Well cast movie. It's Spider-Man...it's going to be good.

Eddv
The okay spideman movie. Carried by Michael Keaton's performance. Easily the worst of the major spider-men.

MetalDK
Having the villains in Homecoming, Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Infinity War definitely renewed my waning interest in the MCU. Keaton and the Vulture's story was the start.

Snake5555555555
In the context of the web-heads cinematic canon, Homecoming does whatever it can to erase the prior three films mistakes while coming at Parker from an angle up until then unexplored in film: how he actually fits in a larger cinematic universe. And the verdict is: extremely well actually. I actually underrated this film. This is a fantastic Spider-Man joint, managing to fit in everything that makes the comics an enduring cornerstone of pop culture: high school romance & drama; side characters that are fleshed out but dont steal the show, instead informing Peters character; a simply sensational villain with Vulture and even his crew given B-listers like Tinkerer and Shocker their time to shine; and of course, tons of creative web-slinging action. Having Peter taken under Tonys wing is by far one of the most interesting dynamics in the MCU, and some may complain its having Peter just be the next Iron Man instead of his own hero, but I dont really see that at all. If anything the film does everything it can to NOT have Peter become the next Stark showing its his strength and his strength alone that wins the day. I do get kind of annoyed that these MCU Spider-Man films always have to go on field trips when New York is such a wonderful spot for a Spidey film, but I digress. If you havent seen it in a while like me, you might be surprised at how well it actually holds up as not only a great MCU film, but probably one of the best Spider-Man films too.

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GavsEvans123
After his well-received appearance in Civil War, we didnt have to wait long for more Spider-Man. This one sets itself apart from previous films by having Peter Parker in high school (previous films that did this had him graduate early on). This gives us a new dynamic we havent seen in previous Spider-Man films, or elsewhere in the MCU, as the other heroes are all adults. It also staves off fears of repetition due to this being the sixth Spider-Man film in recent memory, with the third Spider-Man.

Peters friendships with Ned and Liz are heartwarming to see, even if his relationship with Liz ends in tragedy. At least Ned has Peters back as the guy in the chair. It would be nice if the guy in the chair became a permanent thing, but Far From Home didnt do it, so its probably too late now. MJ is kind of a jerk, though. Its not hard to see why she doesnt have any friends, with how aloof and snarky she is. I dont get the bait-and-switch with Marvel insisting that she is TOTALLY NOT MARY JANE, YOU GUYS! Why would the characters share initials without a deliberate invocation? At least Flash Thompson is meant to be seen as a jerk, if not a jock because jocks have now become extinct aside from 80s movies.

We have another excellent use of tension here, much like with Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Here, its in the scene where Toomes takes Peter and Liz to the school dance, and the two men gradually work out each others secret identities. The tension keeps building from as soon as Toomes answers the door, which is such a shocker you can almost hear the record needle scratch as the soundtrack cuts out. This is second only to Caesars first word in Rise of the Planet of the Apes for hearing cinema audiences audibly gasp and leading into the kind of oppressive silence where you can hear how quiet it is. Speaking of Toomes, hes another excellent villain, an intimidating but honourable foe with a cool design update for his flight suit to make it less goofy looking, and a sympathetic motive. Marvel and Sony made a point of using villains who hadnt appeared in previous Spider-Man films, and its much appreciated here.

I have to point out the continuity error while Im here. The film states that 8 years pass between the prologue, which takes place in the immediate aftermath of The Avengers, and the rest of the film, but The Avengers was set in 2012, and this film takes place two months after Civil War, placing it in 2016. This means 4 years have passed in-universe, not 8. Boy, I hope someone got fired for that blunder!

Red13n
Going to take this moment to say how glad I am that we're at a time where origin stories aren't necessary. The formula of giving us a look at a character in another film and then just jumping right in with them elsewhere is pretty fantastic. Homecoming also heavily serves as more development for Tony Stark, with Iron Man standalone movies long done at this point. We get to see him basically groom Peter to be, well, not him. The relationship works, it ends up building some of the best development of Phase 3. Vulture ends up one of the more compelling and memorable villains of the MCU, particularly in a characters more introductory movie, where too often our hero is forced to fight what is essentially their villainous counterpart. This is far from that formula. Also we made it an entire Spider-Man movie without having to hear that with great power comes great responsibility. Now lets just hope this franchise doesn't have to be rebooted again for a long time.

Mr Crispy
We didn't really need more Spiderman movies, but having a more low key friendly neighborhood Spiderman with goofy nerd humor wasn't a bad idea to put a different spin on things than past Spiderman movies and the rest of the MCU. Tony mentoring Peter is good. Vulture is good. I really respect him for sticking up for Peter and keeping his mouth shut when he was sent to prison. Overall Homecoming is pretty solid, and objectively I could see it a few places higher but it didn't quite click for me to justify putting it higher because of the teenage awkwardness (and maybe a little bit of fatigue with the franchise).

Whiskey Nick
(No write-up.)

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I couldnt stand Peter Parker in this movie. They go way too overboard with his whole put-upon wholesome teenager gag. I half-expected him to go GOSH at any moment. But I really like the Vulture, so eh?

Cybat
The MCU has been largely (shockingly) consistent in its casting choices the whole way through, but Tom Holland might be one of my favorites. In my opinion he fits both Peter Parker (as a high schooler) and Spider-Man perfectly, way more than his previous two counterparts did. He might be starting to get a little overexposed as an actor at this point, but based on interviews he seems to be super enthusiastic about the role so hopefully Sony and Disney can keep him for a long time.
As for the movie itself, its pretty good! The main reason it got this high is the reveal on prom night. Everything about that entire sequence was so well crafted that it really sucks you in in a way that bigger, action-ier surprises really cant. Michael Keaton is great for the whole movie of course but especially in that long car drive, when everyone is just waiting to see what happens. The final battle with Vulture and the plots reliance on Tony Starks involvement are detriments but, well, those two problems are nothing new for the MCU.

NBIceman
I guess its probably a tired talking point by now to say that Maguire was a good Peter Parker, Garfield was a good Spider-Man, and Holland is good for both, but it really is true. Now, that being said, Ive never been an especially big fan of the character, which I imagine is going to put me well below the average ranking for both of the SM entries in the franchise. I also, as a rule, dont care for high school as a setting very much (Im the only person I know that didnt like Freaks and Geeks). Those are personal hangups, though - I can recognize why everyone rates Homecoming so high. It does a fantastic job with the central conflicts of Peter Parker as a character, its got the best villain in the whole MCU outside of Thanos, its got Tony Stark for some extra charisma and star power, and its even pretty damn funny. So dont misunderstand me; were well into the section of my list where I can honestly say I love these movies a good deal. Were just also at the point where everything above this one has more personal resonance for me.

ScepterOfLove
(No write-up.)

VengefulKaelee
This one has slowly grown on me over time. I definitely prefer the sequel, but Tom Holland's Spider-Man is so innately charismatic (with great chemistry with the rest of the supporting cast at the high school), Marisa Tomei such an inspired choice for a different Aunt May, and Michael Keaton is so good as the villain, that I can't help but admire it.

Corrik7
This movie does a good job of creating a relatively down to earth spider-man movie. He is just another kid in school, and him having to deal with a lot of that regular ordinary day stuff is well done. It's Spider-Man's first solo film in the universe, and it is the only one that has to deal with any significant pressure from films before it. All in all, it is solid and holds up well.

Lopen
Strength of the acting really pulls this one ahead. Keaton is low-key awesome as vulture (he's SO THREATENING in the car scene) and ends up being one of the best villains in the MCU, and I really think all the acting is good here. I've heard there is too much Iron Man in this movie as a complaint and yeah maybe it kind of is a valid one but I ain't gonna complain about more Tony Stark and it makes this Spider-Man unique compared to the other ones we've seen on the screen. The plot is whatever but helps establish Spider-Man's personality and whatnot and doesn't drag. Not what I'd call absolute must see viewing but enjoyable.

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XIII Rocks
OK, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to explain this right, but here we go. There's two main problems with the MCU Spidey movies - the first and most obvious is the over-reliance on Iron Man as a mentor. I love their relationship, but having both villains be an Iron Man creation really makes Spidey feel like almost an afterthought. And it's not like you need Iron Man to sell a Spider-Man movie. Everybody loves Spider-Man already.
The second problem is harder to express but allow me to show this clip from TASM2 to start with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNPy_CO4zqA
TASM isn't a very good movie, for a ton of reasons, but this opening makes Spider-Man, and a Spider-Man movie, feel like A BIG FUCKING DEAL, in the same way the Maguire movies did. I use TASM because it was easier for Maguire to feel like a big deal when there weren't as many superhero movies out there. TASM came post-MCU, post-market saturation, and still managed it (though to a lesser extent). Both MCU Spider-Man movies have none of that. It's Spider-Man - maybe the world's most popular superhero - but folded into the MCU style. It feels so disposable, and I don't want Spider-Man to feel disposable. It should be the biggest event they have, right next to Avengers movies. Holland is a good Spider-Man but I honestly think he's worse than both Garfield and Maguire and it's probably because he feels so easily...broken compared to the others. I almost feel like I can ignore MCU Spidey.
This movie is still good, otherwise it wouldn't be this high. Keaton Vulture is a top 5 MCU villain (Killmonger, Thanos, Loki, Vulture, Hela) and some of the action is solid, the humour is handled well and Zendaya steals the show. But I just can't love MCU Spidey as much as some people do. I see it all through this prism of plasticity.

Inviso
Tom Holland is a great Spider-Man. He manages to convey the dorkiness of a teenaged Peter Parker a lot better than Andrew Garfields laid-back slacker vibe ever could, but he also comes across as cocky and charismatic when in costume, unlike Toby MacGuires bland hero. That being said, that authenticity makes the firstlets say half of the film feel very awkward and almost cringeworthy. Its a good performance in that I really didnt like it, if that makes sense. But thats just a personal thing about how realistic teen drama is shitty and awkward by design, because thats what being a teenager is. All that being said, the movie had a nice through line of Peter wanting to prove himself and trying so hard that he wound up failing, only to rise and prove himself for real, without the safety net of Tony Stark having his back. The Vulture plot twist caught me completely off-guard, and everything from that first introduction to scene with Michael Keaton driving Peter to the danceit was all great. A perfect amount of tension that all culminated in Peter proving himself by breaking free of a collapsed warehouse to stop Vulture from stealing Avengers tech. That back half carried a LOT of weight for this film, and it was enjoyable in that regard for sure.

Jesse Custer
Homecoming was a fine movie without any significant flaws, but I wouldnt rank it among my favorite MCU movies. It felt too safe to me, like Peter was never in any real danger he wouldnt be able to overcome, with the inevitable guest appearance from Tony Stark at the end to tell Peter hes proven himself as a true hero. Its nothing we havent seen many times before in other movies.

Probably my favorite thing about Homecoming was Michael Keatons performance, although I feel the movie failed to utilize his full potential. The scene in the car when Vulture reveals he knows Peters secret and threatens him was the most gripping moment in the entire movie, but after that the movie fell back into safe and predictable territory again. Its never bad, but the movie could have been so much better if they simply took more chances with the script.

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BetrayedTangy
Im gonna be honest, I dont get the appeal of Homecoming. Like the only thing that really stands out to me is Micheal Keaton, but honestly he gets so little screen time that half the time I forget hes in it. Everything else is just so paint by numbers it just fails to keep me invested in repeat viewings. Also does anybody else feel like Peter is a little too whiny in this movie? I get he was kinda like that at first in the comics, but he really got on my nerves here. Thankfully it's only in this movie, Tom Holland is great in all the other ones.

Johnbobb
Homecoming is overrated! It's not bad, but for a third reboot of the Spider-Man franchise, I just needed something different. I mean, we have a different villain, sure, but really this is as much a movie about Iron Man as it is about Spidey. The pieces are good, and as a first attempt, this would be solid. But it's a third attempt without me ever really feeling like it learned enough from the last five films.

PrinceKaro
So Tony Stark randomly shows up in Peter's bedroom knowing his secret identity and hustles him off to europe to fight people more powerful and experienced than him (See - Captain America: Mild Civil Disagreement) and he somehow doesnt die.
Tony then decides to take him on as his Padawan learner, and there are many many problems with this line of development. Chief of these is how weak and small-time it makes the character of Spider-Man seem, what should be a story of empowerment is now one about simping for the avengers. Our young hero should have room to make mistakes and grow without having Iron Dad come and yell at him constantly.
It just feels like a lot of the appeal of the character has been undermined for the sake of fanservice, and it really pains me to see him like this.
I found all the stupid teen drama segments incredibly boring. Aw man, doncha just hate when you accidentally ask the daughter of your archnemesis to the prom? A-hyuck!

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OUTLIERS:

Eddv - 101
PrinceKaro - 83
Johnbobb - 77
BetrayedTangy - 69
VengefulKaelee - 60
Jesse Custer - 59
Paratroopa1 - 56
Mr Crispy - 54
TomNook - 54
Lopen - 53
ScepterOfLove - 52
StifledSilence - 51
Illuminatusbubu - 49
MetalmindStats - 49
GavsEvans123 - 46
HanOfTheNekos - 46
Inviso - 46
Raka Putra - 46
XIII Rocks - 46
Snake5555555555 - 45
Corrik7 - 43
Anagram - 40
Cybat - 40
Maniac64 - 37
Whiskey Nick - 35
CoolCly - 34
Mega Mana - 32
MetalDK - 30
NBIceman - 30
Red13n - 30
Sheep007 - 28
ZenOfThunder 20

Zen makes a big jump up to twenty with the loss of his number 1, yet is still comfortably in the lead for being the most basic of us all. A spot-on placement, however, has bumped Red into contention for second place not. Meanwhile, the top of the list remains unchanged as even a close to spot-on placement for Eddv still puts him as the first ranker over 100 points, while Karo and Johnbobb continue their duel for second place.

Spoiler for Number 9: It looks like Far From Home started a tidal wave, and were looking at another Phase 3 elimination.

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Still can't believe it came down to a one-point difference between those two. And the wrong one won out ;_;

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I don't have a lot of conviction in my 11-16 rankings as far as ordering goes so I'm somewhat upset that I could have flipped that result by putting Homecoming at 14 or 15 (which I totally could have done on a different day)

But honestly both movies are at about the right spot so whatever.

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I wonder where I would fit on the outlier chart if I submitted (and am also curious what I missed about my #15)
23 - Thor: The Dark World
22 - Iron Man 2
21 - The Incredible Hulk
20 - Thor
19 - Avengers: Age of Ultron
18 - Captain Marvel
17 - Iron Man 3
16 - Ant-Man
15 - ???
14 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
13 - Captain America: The First Avenger
12 - Ant-Man and the Wasp
11 - Doctor Strange
10 - ???
9 - ???
8 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7 - ???
6 - ???
5 - Iron Man

Good to see only one of my top 10 fall outside the board top 10, bizarre that it's the original Iron Man of all things

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Huh wasn't expecting both Spidey films back to back, I guess they are pretty similar in a lot of ways.

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Through the compiling of the list, they kept going back and forth with each new addition. Homecoming eked it out at the last minute.

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6. Iron Man
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Iron Man 3
12. Age of Ultron
13. Doctor Strange
14. Spider-man: Homecoming
15. Spider-man: Far From Home
16. Iron Man 2
17. Captain Marvel
18. Thor
19. Captain America
20. Ant-Man
21. Ant-Man and the Wasp
22.Thor: The Dark World
23.The Incredible Hulk

Surely GotG2 next
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4. Spider-Man: Homecoming
5.
6.
7. Spider-Man: Far From Home
8.
9. Doctor Strange
10. Captain Marvel
11.
12.
13. Ant-Man And The Wasp
14.
15. Ant-Man
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
17. Captain America: The First Avenger
18. Thor
19. Iron Man
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
22. Iron Man 3
23. The Incredible Hulk

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This would have been 4 and FFH 15? Maybe I should rewatch FFH

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I couldn't get into Guardians 2 or Homecoming at all. Maybe if I re-watched them I would like them more, but I get the feeling not.

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Inviso posted...

StifledSilence
Now THIS is how you introduce a new character into the MCU.

That wasn't how they introduced him to the MCU though!

sort of like with Black Panther, Spidey was a side character in somebody else's story before he ever got his own

unlike Spider-Man, however, Black Panther got to actually have his own story, unlike Homecoming which might as well have been an Iron Man spinoff

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Will GotG2 slip out of danger yet again? Who knows?

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