Poll of the Day > I am becoming disillusioned with the left.

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I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons. Police brutality and mass incarceration are 100% major problems, but to do without of them just to weed out the bad ones doesn't make much sense.

guess I'll just be a milquetoast democrat from now on.

It did for most of human history. The way police forces run now is a modern idea from around the 1800s and it was extremely corrupt from the start. Or at least in america it was. A lot of places in the past basically amounted to gathering up your family and friends and getting justice for yourself.

Not saying that's better, just saying its possible. Even I don't support totally getting rid of police and prisons, just reserve prisons for actual violent offenders, install actual oversight on police, and switch up their priorities away from drug enforcement and change up their training so they aren't so trigger happy.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons.

I am not an abolitionist; most Leftists are not, particularly because the abolitionists have widely disparate ideas of what to replace such systems with and I have a very low opinion of some of them. If you are conflating abolition with defunding... we've been defunding our schools for years. They still exist. Cops shouldn't be the ones performing wellness/welfare checks and such. Those tasks should be going to people who aren't inclined to murder the people they've been told to help. It makes perfect sense to cut spending on policing and take that funding and spend it into a different system to deal with cases that cops have no qualifications for.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50032290

While I do think the US prison system needs to be reworked from the ground up because as it is now it is a cesspit of corruption, forced labor, recidivism, simultaneously ineffectual and obscenely expensive, I haven't seen a convincing argument for abolitionists about how society could deal with violent crime without some form of prison system, though it should be noted that even most abolitionists argue for a sort of repeal and replace thing, arguing that the system we currently have is too dysfunctional to properly reform. It's a very low number that suggest that we shouldn't have any prison system at all.

I'd type more but I have to go to work at 5am and it's... 1am. Fuck, I hate insomnia.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons.

Most of us dont. Shit Im black and not even I think its that simple.
Try not lumping groups together. It makes you look lazy and uneducated in matters beyond yourself.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons

you know "defund the police" is a gradual process that redirects its funds towards organizations with similar end goals but less brutal force involved, right? at its core it is about reducing the number of incidents that armed police are responsible for, because they are poorly trained for much of it and respond to shouting matches like they're armed robberies

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I doubt if anyone naive to think you can have a society without law and order but we need to look at how that law and order affects people of different ethnic makeup and then make changes accordingly.

The cops cannot keep murdering people and getting away with it because that is unacceptable and that has been happening in America for a very long time most recently during the Civil Rights era and now.

Shooting someone 7 times is uncalled for especially if that person isn't posing a risk to you as an officer.

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Maybe you should try to understand what "defund the police" and prison reform actually mean before getting disillusioned with the ideas.

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Jen0125 posted...

Maybe you should try to understand what "defund the police" and prison reform actually mean before getting disillusioned with the ideas.

This. Try being less dramatic and learn about shit before jumping to dumbass conclusions

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons.

that isnt a thing that people think

you already know this

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You should join the center with the rest of us.

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You realize that defund the police and abolish the police are very different correct? And defund the police only seems radical until you consider that for 30 years the US has defunded health care, education, Infrastructure, social service programs, and essentially every other element of society. All of those things still exist, just with far less funding per capita. Now, over that same time period, police and military budgets have risen exponentially. We just want some of those funds to swing back the other way because if we had more education and job training, we would have less crime and therefore need less police.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

In before someone posts that shitty "Compromise?" comic.

Such a big brain triggered by so little

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I get triggered by protests being shut down with violence cause I'm not a fascist dickhead, yeah.

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ITT: Not understanding big-tent politics.

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it sounds like you spend too much time reading weird internet politics shit

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I'm just getting bored of them thinking that society could function without police or prisons. Police brutality and mass incarceration are 100% major problems, but to do without of them just to weed out the bad ones doesn't make much sense.

guess I'll just be a milquetoast democrat from now on.

The problem is that we are not executing enough murderers. If you murder somebody, you should get the rope within one month of the sentencing. No ifs, ands, or buts.

TheWorstPoster posted...

The problem is that we are not executing enough murderers. If you murder somebody, you should get the rope within one month of the sentencing. No ifs, ands, or buts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates?wprov=sfti1

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Jen0125 posted...

Maybe you should try to understand what "defund the police" and prison reform actually mean before getting disillusioned with the ideas.

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I am specifically talking about people who are straight up saying abolish the police but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I am specifically talking about people who are straight up saying abolish the police but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

You literally only said "the left".

Maybe you're just putting words in other people's mouths.

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TheWorstPoster posted...

The problem is that we are not executing enough murderers. If you murder somebody, you should get the rope within one month of the sentencing. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Is it difficult being so fucking useless?

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I am specifically talking about people who are straight up saying abolish the police but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

Maybe you should learn to express your opinions through the written word better.

It's called a motte and Bailey fallacy. Two positions with different goals are conflated together as one. In this case, the claim to reform the police force (sensible) is lumped together with the claim to abolish the police (bad idea).

The left has its own problem with a cringe fringe. This is just me, but if I was a political leaders on the left, I would make every effort to distance myself from those extremists. They really are cancer.

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i am really becoming disillusioned with left-leaning centrists

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"The fucking left is dumb because reasons!"

*gets shit on for dumbass generalizations*

"Well what I meant when I said "the left"was this miniscule, inconsequential fringe portion of the left which really carry no weight and have no impact on anything. You folks should ignore the things I say and focus on the unsaid shit I'm making up after the fact to save face!"

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OniRonin posted...

i am really becoming disillusioned with left-leaning centrists

That's nice. Want to make a blogfaqs about it?

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If anyone actually thought that the grand plan of the Democrats was to fire every cop in the country and release every criminal they are beyond fucking dumb. The problem with this country is we rely on the police to handle too many issues. Neighbor is having a loud party at 4am on a Tuesday night, call the cops.

Someone is driving 20 MPH over the speed limit, that is a police matter. Two people arguing loudly in the street, call the cops. There is no reason why the cops need to handle every fucking issue that is not a fire or medical emergency. It would be like if we called the fire fighters to come handle a domestic dispute and handle giving out speeding tickets.

Shit, the Democrats historically have been just as tough on crime in the past as the Repub's.

TC only shows up to do low effort troll topics

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Monopoman posted...

Shit, the Democrats historically have been just as tough on crime in the past as the Repub's.

???? Nobody is saying the opposite. "The Left" != Democrats.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I am specifically talking about people who are straight up saying abolish the police but go ahead and put words in my mouth.

the number of people who say this unironically are disproportionately tiny and i think it's way more likely you're misinterpreting people's intentions from their despair in the heat of the moment. when another black man has 7 bullet holes in his back, typing out your entire ideology is not the priority when it should be evident enough already

be assured that the actual political power behind the democratic party does not give a shit about any of this outside of performative mourning, though. biden and especially harris will never reduce funding to the police as a singular omnipresent force, and they will ignore all requests to do so until we're multiple steps beyond that turning point.

Monopoman posted...

Shit, the Democrats historically have been just as tough on crime in the past as the Repub's.

it's hilariously infuriating watching common conservative talking points because socially progressive leftists WISH biden was the marxist scourge they try to paint him as

biden is probably more right than like gwb and just acquiesces to the times for politics' sake

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