Board 8 > Smash Bros competitive community is getting #MeToo'd

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WazzupGenius00
07/08/20 2:07:09 AM
#301:


Why does the name Nikasaur sound familiar to me

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KommunistKoala
07/08/20 2:10:14 AM
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she worked for Riot Games at one point. did like art spotlights or something

not sure what happened to her after that

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WazzupGenius00
07/08/20 2:27:29 AM
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Ah I think that must be it

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Mr Lasastryke
07/08/20 11:32:30 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
This is extremely relevant. I always remembered this donation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqwPz85Z5kA

ouch.

as someone who used to watch a lot of banjo-kazooie runs, it saddens me that there's now two banjo-kazooie runners who got accused of this shit. though the banjo-kazooie speedrunning community already seemed pretty toxic to me to begin with tbqh.

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CaptainOfCrush
07/08/20 11:35:37 AM
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Not trying to poke fun at these smaller communities, but just so I understand the scope - how big is something like the BK speed running community? 30 ppl?

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Mr Lasastryke
07/08/20 11:39:27 AM
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well, there's 273 people listed in the main category (100%) on speedrun.com. no idea how many people are currently actively running the game, though. for the last few months, literally the only speedrunner i've been watching is arcus.

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Mr Lasastryke
07/08/20 11:48:49 AM
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also, in case anyone is wondering, i'm basing my "the banjo-kazooie community seems pretty toxic" comment on stuff like how i once saw a nylume (currently #47 in 100%) stream where people in the chat were constantly harrassing her about running the game wrong and not using the right strats, to the point where she started crying and cut the stream.

not saying i'm a super big speedrunning connoisseur or anything but i don't really see shit like this in other speedrun streams i watch. retro speedrun streams in particular usually seem very chill.

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ZenOfThunder
07/08/20 12:45:49 PM
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I read through the small ant thing and it reads to me like him just being insensitive about a relationship that barely existed, of all the bad things coming out from this wave of accusations his is the most bizarre, it almost feels like nothing other than outing him at bad at relationships but barely

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Shadow Dino
07/08/20 12:51:29 PM
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Now some stuff coming out of the Fire Emblem community:

https://twitter.com/Goosaphone/status/1280883234226737155

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Panthera
07/08/20 12:58:07 PM
#310:


Damn, I used to like Mangs

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Panthera
07/08/20 2:15:51 PM
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Another story about Mangs

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srajfu

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AxemRedRanger
07/08/20 2:38:14 PM
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Okay, that one hurts a little. Used to sometimes put him and Mekkah's stuff on when doing something else.

Thinking on it though, I, uh. I can't exactly say that one comes as a huge shock. I don't really know much about him other than what I've seen on his and Mekkah's channels but if someone reasonably prominent in the Fire Emblem community was going to get MeTooed, Mangs...seems like one of the first guys you'd expect?

Mekkah's content is never gonna be the same again.

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KamikazePotato
07/08/20 2:41:12 PM
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Man, I've watched very little of the FE community stuff but basically everything I've watched has been Mangs

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KamikazePotato
07/08/20 2:45:40 PM
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Checked the Three Houses board and the entire topic about Mangs is people complaining about the MeToo movement

Never change gamers

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Panthera
07/08/20 2:53:42 PM
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AxemRedRanger posted...
Okay, that one hurts a little. Used to sometimes put him and Mekkah's stuff on when doing something else.

Thinking on it though, I, uh. I can't exactly say that one comes as a huge shock. I don't really know much about him other than what I've seen on his and Mekkah's channels but if someone reasonably prominent in the Fire Emblem community was going to get MeTooed, Mangs...seems like one of the first guys you'd expect?

Mekkah's content is never gonna be the same again.

Yeah Mangs has always kind of been the stereotype of who you'd expect inappropriate behavior from.

It's going to be weird following Mekkah now, while I still like his unit analysis type stuff I always liked his LPs with Mangs the most out of anything either of them did

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Grimlyn
07/08/20 2:56:29 PM
#316:


game boards are the absolute worst

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ExThaNemesis
07/08/20 4:15:23 PM
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colliding posted...
honestly I think this is more a part of "con-culture" (i.e. conventions) than it is strictly related to the smash community.

anime cons, comic-cons, vg cons are all breeding grounds for predators. you take a traditionally marginalized subgroup of people - many of whom with difficulties in "normal social life," and give them a weekend of free reign where they're guaranteed to be around people with similar interests and it's a recipe for disaster.

I've hung out with a lot of "nerds" in my life - gaming, comics, anime, even creative writers - and the second con-season comes around a switch gets flipped and they become uber aggressive and sexual. the stories I could tell about dragon con parties I went to in my teens.

not defending these people in any way, but trying to argue that there's something poisonous in the smash community is not quite right. It's a larger issue in geek fandom to be honest.

Been going to video game/anime cons for almost a decade now and it's sad to say that as welcoming and fantastic as these communities can be, there is definitely this darker side.

Last year a bunch of bigger name cosplay photographers started getting called out for this stuff. And every few months it seems like a bigger name in the Con Party Scene gets called out for it too.

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Mac Arrowny
07/08/20 4:21:48 PM
#318:


A few of these things have mentioned a woman sharing a room with a man at a convention hotel. Is that really that normal? It feels like a strange thing to do if they aren't in a romantic relationship.
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Aecioo
07/08/20 4:35:54 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
A few of these things have mentioned a woman sharing a room with a man at a convention hotel. Is that really that normal? It feels like a strange thing to do if they aren't in a romantic relationship.

Don't know why this is strange to you. You can be friends with the opposite sex, or just want to save money...

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banananor
07/08/20 4:36:00 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
A few of these things have mentioned a woman sharing a room with a man at a convention hotel. Is that really that normal? It feels like a strange thing to do if they aren't in a romantic relationship.
i think it's pretty normal if you're friends and care about money at all. maybe with the addendum that you're not a super-horny teenager

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Grimlyn
07/08/20 4:43:31 PM
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yeahhh getting a hotel for a weekend con is a big deal

I'm pretty thankful though I've got my bff university pal and his now-wife that I've been going with for years, but I know other friends who are more outgoing getting room-shares more freely (particularly to the main/closest hotel with the most event rooms)

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Team Rocket Elite
07/08/20 5:14:12 PM
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Wow, I was literally at the Anime North 2019 Fire Emblem panel Mangs (and some others) were doing. I still remember him marking out over getting Louise in Fire Emblem Heroes who came out the same day.
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Panthera
07/08/20 5:40:36 PM
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Mangs response
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srajkc

Just the usual "Okay I'm guilty but I'm going to try to downplay it please believe me" routine

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CaptainOfCrush
07/08/20 6:02:48 PM
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I had a great time at my first con (though I imagine referring to Magfest as a "con" may be a stretch) early this year, but the hotel room parties are pretty similar to college dorm parties... a significant difference being age ranges. At high school parties, you expect an age range of 15-18 (and rightly ostracize the one weirdo in their 20s). In college, the range is generally 18-24.

At these events, you conceivably have a range of like... 15-45, so you're left with this huge mix of impressionable young people spending time with much more mature people, and the larger social contract has limited stuff like this for generations because deep down, we know it's a recipe for trouble.

I'll say again, the parties I attended had people having a great time, but fuck if I know if some of those people I talked to were half my age.

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Mr Lasastryke
07/08/20 7:38:02 PM
#325:


Panthera posted...
Mangs response
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srajkc

Just the usual "Okay I'm guilty but I'm going to try to downplay it please believe me" routine

funny how the only thing he discusses in great detail is goose's accusations (maybe because he thinks his version of that story makes him look sort of ok?). almost nothing about how he demanded that young girls sent him lewd pics of themselves if they wanted to talk to him about fire emblem stuff.

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Waluigi1
07/08/20 8:39:30 PM
#326:


Man what a crazy year

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Forceful_Dragon
07/09/20 7:28:30 PM
#327:


Apparently I'm addition to all the Sky House stuff, Sky Williams owes some $350,000 to various people who have loaned him money over the years.

In some instances he lied and said it was because his father had cancer and the money was to pay for treatment. And then after they found out his dad didn't have cancer, Sky said that his dad had lied to him about having cancer and that he (the dad) used the money on some kind of penis surgery.

At what point does reality stop being more absurd than fiction?

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jcgamer107
07/09/20 7:32:52 PM
#328:


whoever falsely accused mew2king is pathetic

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Panthera
07/09/20 7:33:58 PM
#329:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Apparently I'm addition to all the Sky House stuff, Sky Williams owes some $350,000 to various people who have loaned him money over the years.

In some instances he lied and said it was because his father had cancer and the money was to pay for treatment. And then after they found out his dad didn't have cancer, Sky said that his dad had lied to him about having cancer and that he (the dad) used the money on some kind of penis surgery.

At what point does reality stop being more absurd than fiction?

This guy is nuts

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KamikazePotato
07/09/20 7:36:35 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Apparently I'm addition to all the Sky House stuff, Sky Williams owes some $350,000 to various people who have loaned him money over the years.

In some instances he lied and said it was because his father had cancer and the money was to pay for treatment. And then after they found out his dad didn't have cancer, Sky said that his dad had lied to him about having cancer and that he (the dad) used the money on some kind of penis surgery.

At what point does reality stop being more absurd than fiction?
It's important to treat the things being exposed about these people seriously, and not like fictional drama that doesn't actually matter to anyone. Their actions hurt real-life people.

With that said, treating all the stuff being revealed about Sky as anything other than a badly-written TV show is difficult. My brain isn't wired to accept the level of absurdity being displayed.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/09/20 7:46:12 PM
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Yeah it's sobering to realize that this isn't just water cooler gossip, but each story represents sometimes multiple ruined lives.

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Panthera
07/10/20 12:38:59 AM
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Following on from the Mangs stuff, another Fire Emblem youtuber is accused now

https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/hofhk6/allegations_against_chaz_aria_llc/

This one kind of takes some twists and turns, not sure what to think yet

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MoogleKupo141
07/10/20 12:45:01 AM
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I am shocked to learn there is Enough of dedicated a fire emblem community to even facilitate this sort of thing.
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NeoElfboy
07/10/20 12:35:49 PM
#334:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I am shocked to learn there is Enough of dedicated a fire emblem community to even facilitate this sort of thing.

I mean as per this topic, even the Banjo-Kazooie speedrun community is big enough.

I'm pretty into the Fire Emblem community even if I didn't follow Mangs specifically due to not really caring for streamers/youtubers. It's sad to see this in a community I like but realistically it coming out is a good thing because sadly in any community of decent size, stuff like this is probably going on, and Goose coming forward about it makes it easier for other victims to come forward in the future (which in turn makes it less likely for creepy predators to do their thing), so good for her. Most of what I've seen in the community in the wake of this is very positive. Except...

KamikazePotato posted...
Checked the Three Houses board and the entire topic about Mangs is people complaining about the MeToo movement

I haven't had the heart to check that topic. Sadly I'm not too surprised, that board has a major problem with misogyny. It saddens me.

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Snrkiko
07/10/20 12:50:12 PM
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jcgamer107 posted...
whoever falsely accused mew2king is pathetic
wasn't the guy's excuse basically "sorry i thought it would work"

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Panthera
07/10/20 1:33:39 PM
#336:


NeoElfboy posted...


I haven't had the heart to check that topic. Sadly I'm not too surprised, that board has a major problem with misogyny. It saddens me.

Don't check the topic about it on the Switch board then. And definitely don't check the comments on his community post on his channel. Three Houses board has if anything been one of the less shitty places, and that's saying something with how much that topic has made me want to punch something

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Grimlyn
07/10/20 2:10:43 PM
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Panthera posted...
Don't check the topic about it on the Switch board then

christ I went to check and you weren't kidding, what a fucking hellhole

just constant and complete focus on victim blaming, straight-up calling the victim a whore, the female TC the c-word... all in posts from yesterday that somehow remain unmoderated what the fuck

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Reg
07/10/20 2:20:18 PM
#338:


game boards on this site have literally always been unusable hellholes.
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UshiromiyaEva
07/10/20 3:09:59 PM
#339:


Literally every board on this site is a hell hole besides here....sometimes...

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KamikazePotato
07/10/20 3:25:35 PM
#340:


I maintain that Board 8 is one of the best gaming boards on the internet. Which is not a high bar to clear but hey.

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FFDragon
07/10/20 3:36:19 PM
#341:


B8 somehow being one of the least shittiest places on the internet for gaming/nerdstuff is pretty much the reason I still come here 20 years later.

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07/10/20 3:38:52 PM
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SantaRPidgey
07/10/20 3:41:35 PM
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Panthera posted...
Mangs response
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srajkc

Just the usual "Okay I'm guilty but I'm going to try to downplay it please believe me" routine

Hey earnestly asking this, but I can't imagine knowing two people in my life who weren't in the exact same situation as mangs and goose. I think I've probably even been in Mang's shoes sometime in my younger years. Is being in this situation really that hanus?

I'm not trying to say he wasn't an asshole, same way I'm not saying I'm not an asshole, but this seems to be a pretty paint by numbers scenario with unrequited love.


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KamikazePotato
07/10/20 3:44:21 PM
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HashtagSEP
07/10/20 3:52:52 PM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
Hey earnestly asking this, but I can't imagine knowing two people in my life who weren't in the exact same situation as mangs and goose. I think I've probably even been in Mang's shoes sometime in my younger years. Is being in this situation really that hanus?

I'm not trying to say he wasn't an asshole, same way I'm not saying I'm not an asshole, but this seems to be a pretty paint by numbers scenario with unrequited love.

Having to tell somebody you're not going to touch them, and then doing it at first opportunity is certainly... Something. Like, if you're waking girls up by pressing your dick against them, kissing their hair, and groaning when they specifically asked you not to touch them, then yes, that's very much wrong.

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07/10/20 3:53:06 PM
#346:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Hey earnestly asking this, but I can't imagine knowing two people in my life who weren't in the exact same situation as mangs and goose. I think I've probably even been in Mang's shoes sometime in my younger years. Is being in this situation really that hanus?

I'm not trying to say he wasn't an asshole, same way I'm not saying I'm not an asshole, but this seems to be a pretty paint by numbers scenario with unrequited love.
Just because you know people who have been in similar situations doesn't mean we should try to normalize this behavior as unrequited love. The "cuddling" as he calls it is wrong, as were his drunk texts.

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SantaRPidgey
07/10/20 3:57:14 PM
#347:


I mean if every single post i made was dug up from the internet people would say the same for me. I know a lot of current board 8ers who have said worse on this fairly tame heavily moderated forum.

A quick skimming of the posts reveals that mangs is "kind of an asshole" which, if you saw his videos or absorbed any of his content you would know already.

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SantaRPidgey
07/10/20 3:58:58 PM
#348:


colliding posted...
Just because you know people who have been in similar situations doesn't mean we should try to normalize this behavior as unrequited love. The "cuddling" as he calls it is wrong, as were his drunk texts.

Yeah I agree its wrong, but its a human situation. Have we reached a point in humanity where its unacceptable to be wrong?

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HashtagSEP
07/10/20 4:00:34 PM
#349:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Yeah I agree its wrong, but its a human situation. Have we reached a point in humanity where its unacceptable to be wrong?

It's not just a "human situation" because it's not like it just randomly happened and she didn't like it. She specifically expressed concerns and he promised not to touch her.

And then he did it anyway when she wasn't even awake to say no.

That's fucked up, dude.

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SantaRPidgey
07/10/20 4:04:53 PM
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Yeah no one is arguing its not fucked up (outside of the fe board I guess). I'm saying sometimes we dont realize how bad we are until we fuck up. For myself personally, I fuck up constantly despite trying my best. Its usually the big fuck ups that make me realize I need to do better. I would argue I wouldn't do better unless I had those fuck ups as a wake up call.

I'm just curious, have you guys honestly never been in a situation where you fucked up really bad and hurt someone?

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