Board 8 > Smash Bros competitive community is getting #MeToo'd

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KamikazePotato
07/01/20 6:18:23 PM
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Don't mean that in a bad way. There is...a lot of bad shit coming to light about lots of different players (including people grooming/sleeping with 14-year olds), to the point where someone on reddit had to compile a list.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/hjfv0y/summary_of_sexual_and_nonsexual_allegations/

As someone who follows competitive Smash (to my detriment), this feels awful.

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XIII_rocks
07/01/20 6:21:02 PM
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Christ on a bike.
List is longer than I thought it would be.

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LiquidOshawott
07/01/20 6:29:27 PM
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I think its all of esports tbh

Hearthstone was getting it too

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Shadow Dino
07/01/20 6:46:29 PM
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https://twitter.com/snowthelad_/status/1278366645040418821

Really messed up stuff.

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LordoftheMorons
07/01/20 7:05:34 PM
#6:


jesus

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red13n
07/01/20 7:06:28 PM
#7:


what the fuck.

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Panthera
07/01/20 7:12:58 PM
#8:


Yikes

Sadly not exactly that surprising

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CoolCly
07/01/20 7:15:33 PM
#9:


All of online gaming is getting metoo'd, and has been for a couple weeks, its actually kinda weird how board 8 seems to somehow be insulated from it and not really be aware it's happening.

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CoolCly
07/01/20 7:16:18 PM
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that puppeh thing is so messed up though

this is a video of that girl getting handsy with him back then

https://streamable.com/ph1rq3

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UshiromiyaEva
07/01/20 7:16:34 PM
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Came in to make jokes about the Smash community but this is way too much. Wow.

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CaptainOfCrush
07/01/20 7:22:14 PM
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Umm... what the fuck

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StealThisSheen
07/01/20 7:23:01 PM
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The puppeh thing is sick and there are people actually trying to defend it on Twitter and the Smash Bros boards here

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Panthera
07/01/20 7:24:23 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
The puppeh thing is sick and there are people actually trying to defend it on Twitter and the Smash Bros boards here

Of course there are. There always are for things like that

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Paratroopa1
07/01/20 7:59:36 PM
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Why are so many people like this

I just don't get it
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KamikazePotato
07/01/20 8:55:44 PM
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LiquidOshawott posted...
I think its all of esports tbh

Hearthstone was getting it too
Unsurprising

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Snrkiko
07/01/20 9:08:45 PM
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i don't really follow smash but wtf this cinnapie person literally had sex with a 14 year old boy?

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pjbasis
07/01/20 10:07:45 PM
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She could have walked up to like any smash dude and gotten laid but that forbidden fruit is just too juicy I guess

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MoogleKupo141
07/01/20 10:21:53 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
The puppeh thing is sick and there are people actually trying to defend it on Twitter and the Smash Bros boards here


how

how is there even a defense for that
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Dengakuuman
07/01/20 10:24:15 PM
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I kind of just want to go back to playing video games in my parents basement like when i was 12, confident that i have no friends but that if could meet fellow gamers they would be nice people that i could get along with.

Not having a pc probably helped this delusion because if Id been playing quake deathmatch i probably would have learned otherwise real fast

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StealThisSheen
07/01/20 10:57:20 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
how

how is there even a defense for that

Most of it is "There's no proof! He's probably the one that harassed/raped/whatever her!" or "I bet he wanted it so it doesn't count."

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Inviso
07/01/20 10:58:50 PM
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Is Ken Hoang caught up in any of this?

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/01/20 11:08:46 PM
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Panthera posted...
Yikes

Sadly not exactly that surprising
This.

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_stingers_
07/02/20 12:13:06 AM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
how

how is there even a defense for that
Just typical things like "he's a boy he liked it so it didn't count lol"

But yeah this was disgusting to read. Having met puppeh a few times, the kid has always looked really young for his age as is. I can't imagine what kind of sickness someone would need to have to go after him sexually with such a big age gap.

She definitely needs to be prosecuted. Hopefully he is convinced to press charges, but considering he was willing to play along with her telling him not to tell anyone this whole time, when there were already rumors about it...and denying it when directly confronted about it, it is a bit unlikely I imagine.

Also she was actually a pretty decent commentator so that's a blow on that front because the smash scene reaaaally lacks those lol. But what can you do. We'll find new ones but I seriously hope she goes to prison

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Punnyz
07/02/20 12:16:34 AM
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Shadow Dino
07/02/20 12:29:27 AM
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_stingers_ posted...


Also she was actually a pretty decent commentator so that's a blow on that front because the smash scene reaaaally lacks those lol. But what can you do. We'll find new ones but I seriously hope she goes to prison

Yeah bummer that Cinnpie was on the call for EVO Grand Finals last year. Small trifle to be sure though.


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_stingers_
07/02/20 12:39:36 AM
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This is a clip I just looked up from my match with him in May of 2016, so exactly when he said this "relationship" was going on. Look at how old that kid looks. What the fuck man

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Shadow Dino
07/02/20 1:10:17 AM
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Holy shit, and here's another Cinnpie story:

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sra4fh

Fair warning - it's pretty harrowing.

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CaptainOfCrush
07/02/20 1:18:06 AM
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What is "Sova"? It's being mentioned often.

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_stingers_
07/02/20 1:26:15 AM
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Southern Virginia
In the smash scene, Maryland and Virgina are commonly considered one scene called MD/VA, but due to how large Virginia is the southern part of the state tends to be more isolated from the northern/md scene, so they generally call their part of the scene sova instead

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CoolCly
07/02/20 2:46:23 AM
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Oh shit

Earlier I saw Nairo tweeting about how this rumour that he had a secret relationship with Captain Zack when he was 15 were not true and Zack has always confirmed this

whelp

https://twitter.com/CaptainZack_/status/1278574207207686144

https://twitter.com/NairoMK

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changmas
07/02/20 2:57:22 AM
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Yep nairos accounts are all gone. He really tried to pay Zack $3000 to keep quiet. Extremely fucked. Hes definitely done as a player forever

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skullbone
07/02/20 2:59:23 AM
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Yeah that's fucked about Nairo. He was one of my favorites

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/02/20 3:02:10 AM
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I guess the Pokemon community is also outing a huge amount of sex predators too. I don't know anything about them, but I saw it mentioned when people were discussing what communities have been outing these people.

It's great for these communities that this is all coming out now, but it's honestly mortifying and super sad that this has been going on in the first place.

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KamikazePotato
07/02/20 3:22:01 AM
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Holy shit Nairo is a big deal, he's easily the most marketable Smash Ultimate player

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CaptainOfCrush
07/02/20 3:25:10 AM
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If nothing else, I hope that all of these stories have an impact on the parents of these young players, who I presume feel that these communities and tourneys are safe playdates for their kids. Perhaps they'll reconsider allowing their early-teen (and pre-teen) children to become a part of adult communities so freely.

Preemptive addendum: I am not, in any way, victim blaming. But if I had a kid, there's no way in hell I would ever send them to events like this unsupervised.

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StealThisSheen
07/02/20 3:37:22 AM
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
If nothing else, I hope that all of these stories have an impact on the parents of these young players, who I presume feel that these communities and tourneys are safe playdates for their kids. Perhaps they'll reconsider allowing their early-teen (and pre-teen) children to become a part of adult communities so freely.

Preemptive addendum: I am not, in any way, victim blaming. But if I had a kid, there's no way in hell I would ever send them to events like this unsupervised.

I mean, that kinda is victim blaming, though?

These aren't snooker tournaments at bars. They're video game tournaments. Teenagers SHOULD be able to go to them unsupervised with no problem. Throwing responsibility at the parents and saying "You shouldn't have let your kid go" is completely missing the problem.

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KamikazePotato
07/02/20 3:38:22 AM
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KamikazePotato
07/02/20 3:43:09 AM
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CaptainOfCrush
07/02/20 3:43:47 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Throwing responsibility at the parents and saying "You shouldn't have let your kid go" is completely missing the problem.

I'm not blaming the parents. The problem is the perpetrators. If the victims decide to go the criminal route, I fully encourage both them and justice. If not, social media will at least cancel these perps.

But there are people here in the competitive gaming scene who've seen it from the inside much more closely than me. If you guys had kids, would you feel safe with them becoming a part of these communities without any parental supervision?

Again, I'm not blaming the parents because most of them probably have no idea this exists at all, and I'm certainly not blaming the victims themselves... but I really doubt I'd be sending my kids to these events if I'm not there with them.

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StealThisSheen
07/02/20 3:50:27 AM
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Well, hindsight is 20/20 so of course it's super easy now to say "No, I'd not let my kid go to these."

But before all of this came to light, how is it any different from letting your kid go to the arcade, or the mall, or the movies, and so on?

I just don't see a point in bringing up "Hopefully parents learn not to let their kids attend events like these" as if they were seedy, adult-only events to begin with and like it should have been an obvious conclusion something might happen. All it does is come off like deflection.

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GTM
07/02/20 3:55:56 AM
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I'm sick no words

Also this error person outing someone else as a victim isnt cool

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CaptainOfCrush
07/02/20 3:59:49 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
But before all of this came to light, how is it any different from letting your kid go to the arcade, or the mall, or the movies, and so on?
For these parents who were almost certainly clueless, not different at all, which is why I don't blame them at all. They presumed it was a safe environment for their kids... but if these stories have a far enough reach, I'm sure these parents will reconsider, or at least investigate the matter more stringently before deciding it's safe enough for their kids.

These communities aren't "tourneys" alone, however. Just through reading the stories gathered in this topic, you have instances of community members (adults in their 20s, most likely?) traveling together, drinking together, partying in hotels together while sharing rooms. Acceptable behavior for adults, but if you're a parent "in the know", wouldn't you give serious thought before allowing your minor child to attend these events unsupervised, knowing that many of the 20-somethings there are probably staying at the hotel across the street and may start drinking as soon as the tourney ends?

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UshiromiyaEva
07/02/20 3:59:51 AM
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There is a wide enough variety of games here and a severe enough number of cases that this may make national news.

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KamikazePotato
07/02/20 4:02:52 AM
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GTM posted...
I'm sick no words
Yeah like, I've been a huge fan of competitive fighting games for half my life and now it almost feels wrong to want to play Smash

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StealThisSheen
07/02/20 4:05:27 AM
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Stories are popping up about all kinds of gaming communities, not just the FGC. This isn't an isolated group at all, it's a major problem.

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KamikazePotato
07/02/20 4:12:37 AM
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This is from Dota 2, but if you want to read the literal worst "let me tell my side of the story..." response of all time, well, here you go

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sra0di

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WarThaNemesis2
07/02/20 4:13:03 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Stories are popping up about all kinds of gaming communities, not just the FGC. This isn't an isolated group at all, it's a major problem.

I mean, it's pretty much impossible that it's exclusive to one community, or a few bad eggs, when the head of EVO is involved.

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LusterSoldier
07/02/20 5:19:52 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Doesn't surprise me at all. The Smash fans are literally the worst in all of fiction.


It's not just Smash, but there have been problems with this in the Pokemon community as well. Last year, a couple of pedophiles in the Pokemon community got exposed in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOGa0dlGaI
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