Poll of the Day > Autopsy Report claims Floyd Did NOT die from STRANGULATION!!!

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mrduckbear
05/29/20 4:25:09 PM
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Do you still believe 3rd degree murder/manslaughter are still the appropriate charges?


The video of the horrifying footage of Former Cop, now Prison Junkyard Cleaner, Derek Chauvin laying his knee on George Floyd for EIGHT MINUTES before Floyd passes out for 2 and a half minutes has had charges against him filed after he was arrested for 3rd degree murder and manslaughter which can carry up to 25 years in prison..

However, a new autopsy report from the medical examiner's office shows that there are no findings that support the diagnosis that Floyd died of asphyxia or strangulation and instead seems to paint his death on a combination of his coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease and having being restrained by police as the cause of death!!

This will no doubt give the defense an argument for Chauvin that his actions alone did not contribute to Floyd's death however many will ask for an independent medical examiner to do an autopsy as many do not trust the initial analysis.

But despite this, the fact that Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's neck for several minutes before letting go and that was still one of the contributing factors, it does not excuse his actions of police brutality...

Do you think 3rd degree murder and manslaughter are still the appropriate charges?

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Jen0125
05/29/20 4:33:46 PM
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Give me a break.

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Zeus
05/29/20 4:37:13 PM
#3:


mrduckbear posted...
However, a new autopsy report from the medical examiner's office shows that there are no findings that support the diagnosis that Floyd died of asphyxia or strangulation and instead seems to paint his death on a combination of his coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease and having being restrained by police as the cause of death!!

So instead of the altercation causing his death, the altercation caused his death? >_> idk, as far as I know, he refused to comply with an order to get into their squad car so some escalation was necessary. The problem is that we apparently only have a recording for after he was on the ground, not something that shows the entire encounter.

mrduckbear posted...
This will no doubt give the defense an argument for Chauvin that his actions alone did not contribute to Floyd's death however many will ask for an independent medical examiner to do an autopsy as many do not trust the initial analysis.

I'm not sure that any independent investigation in matters like these that doesn't result in a confirmation of a pre-existing judgment will ever be trusted >_> That said, when a person is on video saying "I can't breathe" in an officer-involved death where the result isn't asphyxiation, another agency probably should double-check the work.

mrduckbear posted... Do you still believe 3rd degree murder/manslaughter are still the appropriate charges?


I don't feel confident enough to render a judgment either way. If it was asphyxiation, the cops likely acted inappropriately. However, if another health problem was involved, it might not automatically let the cops off the hook anyway.

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OniRonin
05/29/20 4:37:40 PM
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ah the underlying health condition of needing oxygen

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streamofthesky
05/29/20 4:51:53 PM
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I thought autopsies took like a week or two? This was really quick....

It was a "contributing factor", yeah.... I guess whether it was 99% of the factor or 10%, they could say that either way. O_o
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helIy
05/29/20 4:55:30 PM
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the guy was charged with murder and manslaughter, hes in custody now

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SonyMichel
05/29/20 5:24:10 PM
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helIy posted...
the guy was charged with murder and manslaughter, hes in custody now

which is why hes charged with murder in the 3rd degree and not premeditated. He was responsible for the death regardless of what this says

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adjl
05/29/20 5:25:20 PM
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"He didn't die from being asphyxiated, he died from his heart stopping! After being asphyxiated!"

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pastyD
05/29/20 5:33:19 PM
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Kneeling on someones neck is dangerous for more reasons than possible asphyxiation.
There are chokes routinely used in combat sports that are dangerous specifically because they incapacitate people by clamping blood vessels and can render someone unconscious without obstructing their breathing.
Im not saying that this happened here, im just saying that he didnt asphyxiate in no way translates to kneeling on his neck didnt contribute to his death.

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Muscles
05/29/20 5:38:09 PM
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So? The cop still murdered him, if his heart gave out or whatever because a cop was kneeling on his neck instead of asphyxiation does it matter? The kneeling directly lead to either one of the reasons for his death

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Yellow
05/29/20 5:40:22 PM
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adjl posted...
"He didn't die from being asphyxiated, he died from his heart stopping! After being asphyxiated!"


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Zeus
05/29/20 5:41:39 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
I thought autopsies took like a week or two? This was really quick....

No, an actual autopsy generally takes under a day. The delay is usually more a matter that other cases need to be processed and there's a running queue. However, a highly-politicized death is usually going to take higher priority and get bumped to the front of the line.

In a case where you're just establishing COD, it's usually going to be a fast process.

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GhostfaceTilla
05/29/20 6:14:00 PM
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So, the stress of getting choked out triggered an underlying heart condition...
Yep, knee-on-neck still seems important; Manslaughter 1 sounds about right.
I've never been to police school, but I hope the textbook doesn't say:
  1. Suspect refuses to enter cop car >
  2. Crunch his neck with your body-weight
It's also hard to believe that "Well-Dressed White Male" who did the same thing would have been treated the same way...

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05/29/20 6:18:53 PM
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Zeus
05/29/20 6:35:16 PM
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GhostfaceTilla posted...
It's also hard to believe that "Well-Dressed White Male" who did the same thing would have been treated the same way...

I like that you're adding extra things there to make your shitty comparison even more shitty. A well-dressed white or well-dressed black man would most likely just get in the car, making it a moot point. However, anybody who refuses to get into a cop car is going to be forcibly moved and, if they resist further, the use of force escalates. The only points of contention are the hold itself (which I'm assuming was *not* an approved hold) and Floyd's complaints about breathing difficulty.

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Monopoman
05/29/20 6:53:03 PM
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Zeus posted...
I like that you're adding extra things there to make your shitty comparison even more shitty. A well-dressed white or well-dressed black man would most likely just get in the car, making it a moot point. However, anybody who refuses to get into a cop car is going to be forcibly moved and, if they resist further, the use of force escalates. The only points of contention are the hold itself (which I'm assuming was *not* an approved hold) and Floyd's complaints about breathing difficulty.

Yep classic police procedure suspect refuses to get in vehicle put your entire body weight onto his neck. I mean it's the same as pulling out your gun and just shooting the guy 5 times for refusing to get into the vehicle.

To underplay this is a joke, people are so pissed they are actually setting Minneapolis police departments on fire. No one has a fucking problem with a police officer restraining a guy or forcing him into a car but this went well beyond the line period. Shit the last time I remember this many protests and destruction over something like this happening was the Rodney King beating and that guy lived.
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Smarkil
05/29/20 6:56:04 PM
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Zeus posted...
So instead of the altercation causing his death, the altercation caused his death? >_> idk, as far as I know, he refused to comply with an order to get into their squad car so some escalation was necessary. The problem is that we apparently only have a recording for after he was on the ground, not something that shows the entire encounter.

There's video out there that shows most of the encounter prior to Floyd being taken to the ground. Floyd wasn't really uncooperative from what that video shows.

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InfernalFive
05/29/20 7:02:53 PM
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Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...

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Sonicplys
05/29/20 7:03:11 PM
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That cop deserves to rot in jail

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OniRonin
05/29/20 7:32:00 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...
eat shit, cop-fucker

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TheSlinja
05/29/20 7:35:29 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...
Peaceful protests arent exactly a good solution to racial inequality, people only ever seem to respond to violence then wonder why people resort to violence

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InfernalFive
05/29/20 7:39:35 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
Peaceful protests arent exactly a good solution to racial inequality, people only ever seem to respond to violence then wonder why people resort to violence
But the response to the violence is just gonna be more racism. They're just fucked either way.

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TheSlinja
05/29/20 7:50:35 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
But the response to the violence is just gonna be more racism. They're just fucked either way.
As though the response to peacful protest wasnt more racism?
Except this riot actually got one of these murderers arrested and hopefully more to come

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Revelation34
05/29/20 8:09:00 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...


Destruction is the best way to do it.

TheSlinja posted...

As though the response to peacful protest wasnt more racism?
Except this riot actually got one of these murderers arrested and hopefully more to come


Does it matter? He's a cop so he'll just get off. The cop that shot Daniel Shaver just got to recently retire without anything happening to him.
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InfernalFive
05/29/20 8:15:53 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
As though the response to peacful protest wasnt more racism?
Except this riot actually got one of these murderers arrested and hopefully more to come
That's why I said they're fucked either way. And LOL at thinking the cop isn't gonna get off.

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Collat
05/29/20 8:17:56 PM
#26:


mrduckbear posted...
Do you think 3rd degree murder and manslaughter are still the appropriate charges?
Nah. Make it 2nd degree.
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InfernalFive
05/29/20 8:18:08 PM
#27:


Revelation34 posted...
Destruction is the best way to do it.
Destruction of random businesses and buildings is the best way to combat racial injustice? If they really wanted to be effective they'd destroy a precinct or something but none of these thugs have the balls for that lmao

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TsunamiFox
05/29/20 9:07:39 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
As though the response to peacful protest wasnt more racism?
Except this riot actually got one of these murderers arrested and hopefully more to come
The cop was gonna get arrested either way. The rioting just undermines the cause.

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The_tall_midget
05/29/20 9:19:08 PM
#29:


Sonicplys posted...
That cop deserves to rot in jail

Not gonna happen to the extent it should. Law enforcement is the MOST corrupt sector of the public servants, and that includes politicians. Police officers go out of their fucking way to protect each other when they should be the FIRST to denounce malpractice. Unfortunately, intelligence and ethics are not high on the list of qualities needed to be a cop.

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assassingriskel
05/29/20 9:36:09 PM
#30:


InfernalFive posted...
Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...
I bet you bitched about Kapernick though

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Monopoman
05/29/20 11:32:20 PM
#31:


TsunamiFox posted...
The cop was gonna get arrested either way. The rioting just undermines the cause.

Arrested sure, but in some cases they lose their job at the most. The Rodney King beating went to trial and the jury acquitted four of the officers involved of assault and 3 of the remaining ones of using even excessive force.

Now he didn't die from the beating he got there but it was a pretty bad beating.
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InfernalFive
05/29/20 11:49:50 PM
#32:


assassingriskel posted...
I bet you bitched about Kapernick though
Strange assumption...

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OniRonin
05/30/20 12:43:32 AM
#33:


InfernalFive posted...
If they really wanted to be effective they'd destroy a precinct or something but none of these thugs have the balls for that lmao
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ZBug_
05/30/20 1:03:40 AM
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Sonicplys posted...
That cop deserves to rot in jail


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Lokarin
05/30/20 1:05:22 AM
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Victim did not die of gunshot wound, he died of exsanguination... from being shot

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ZBug_
05/30/20 1:29:14 AM
#36:


Im pleasantly surprised by the people here. I expected a lot of bad cop defenders here. Thanks for helping me maintain faith in humanity, seriously.

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ZBug_
05/30/20 1:34:41 AM
#37:


InfernalFive posted...
Damn I've seen pics and vids of these thugs that are looting and burning random businesses. They don't see that that shit's just gonna make it worse for them?? I'm all for peaceful protests but violence isn't exactly a good solution to racial inequality...
Because Kaepernicks peaceful protest was taken to heart, right?

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streamofthesky
05/30/20 1:39:27 AM
#38:


ZBug_ posted...
Because Kaepernicks peaceful protest was taken to heart, right?
Every single person that bitched and moaned about the kneeling stuff rightfully deserves to metaphorically eat shit now. Every single one of them.
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YoukaiSlayer
05/30/20 2:38:14 AM
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I mean, not getting air does tend to fuck up your heart and having your neck crushed tends to block your arteries and if your spine is fucked enough that tends to fuck up the brains signals that keep your heart beating correctly so this seems irrelevant.

I'm also a bit confused. If you need someone in the cop car, it doesn't take 8 minutes to get them there after they are restrained. You got handcuffs and several able bodied cops.

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Collat
05/30/20 3:34:29 AM
#40:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
I'm also a bit confused. If you need someone in the cop car, it doesn't take 8 minutes to get them there after they are restrained. You got handcuffs and several able bodied cops.
He could have easily moved his knee and kept the man restrained if he used his hands. His dumb ass practically had them in his pockets.
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Wanded
05/30/20 9:05:59 AM
#41:


ZBug_ posted...
Im pleasantly surprised by the people here. I expected a lot of bad cop defenders here. Thanks for helping me maintain faith in humanity, seriously.
Why is that surprising? i haven't seen anyone who matters take to the cops side, both sides of the political spectrum unanimously condemn the cop, trump is treating this as a big deal and ordered to speed up procedures

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JOExHIGASHI
05/30/20 9:15:00 AM
#42:


mrduckbear posted...
and having being restrained by police as the cause of death!!
still counts as murder

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helIy
05/30/20 9:18:54 AM
#43:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
I mean, not getting air does tend to fuck up your heart and having your neck crushed tends to block your arteries and if your spine is fucked enough that tends to fuck up the brains signals that keep your heart beating correctly so this seems irrelevant.

I'm also a bit confused. If you need someone in the cop car, it doesn't take 8 minutes to get them there after they are restrained. You got handcuffs and several able bodied cops.

he was already handcuffed before they even went to the car


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BeerOnTap
05/30/20 10:20:47 AM
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There are many police officials nationwide who have said this is NOT an approved move/technique (putting your knee firmly upon someone's neck). Police are not trained to do this.

Also I don't know how any human being can hear someone crying out that they cannot breath and not immediately stop what they're doing to help. He was restrained already.
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The_tall_midget
05/30/20 11:12:30 AM
#45:


BeerOnTap posted...
There are many police officials nationwide who have said this is NOT an approved move/technique (putting your knee firmly upon someone's neck). Police are not trained to do this.

Also I don't know how any human being can hear someone crying out that they cannot breath and not immediately stop what they're doing to help. He was restrained already.

Indeed, but the problem is that I think that everyone are fucking tired of law enforcement assholes never being held accountable for their actions and being protected by each other all the time.

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ZBug_
05/30/20 12:34:23 PM
#46:


The_tall_midget posted...
Indeed, but the problem is that I think that everyone are fucking tired of law enforcement assholes never being held accountable for their actions and being protected by each other all the time.
This

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OhhhJa
05/30/20 1:03:39 PM
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It's looking like this might actually be the city's fault because they train their cops to do next restraints. And apparently they have a conscious and unconscious neck restraint in their training. Apparently they think their cops are in the UFC
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Judgmenl
05/30/20 1:17:06 PM
#48:


Fuck off duckbear. Guy still died because a police officer put a knee to his neck.

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JOExHIGASHI
05/30/20 1:27:02 PM
#49:


OhhhJa posted...
unconscious neck restraint
That sounds like blatant police brutality/attempted murder.

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OhhhJa
05/30/20 1:33:35 PM
#50:


JOExHIGASHI posted...
That sounds like blatant police brutality/attempted murder.
It's a chokehold designed to render the victim unconscious which can kill someone so yeah
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