Poll of the Day > Anime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic LXXXIX

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deoxxys posted...

I think it was due to the nature of how he had finally come to a point where he felt like he was a hybrid of both human and parasyte. It also goes with the theme of the show. At one point one of the parasytes say, "how is it any different from what humans do? You eat cattle and slaughter them as you require." It all comes back to realizing worth in other species. They do the same with thing with the parasyte that gets pregnant and gives birth to a human.

As for the aftermath, I loved it. I hate when anime cut the story off as soon as the action stops. We need more epilogues in anime, its one of shonen's big flaws.

My problem wasn't so much having an epilogue as it was being long while little happened. They could have trimmed down the last two episodes and combined them into one rather than doing a full epilogue episode.


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Revelation34 posted...

It absolutely is. Windows 7 was the best OS they created.

7 was a stepdown from XP. And, not for nothing, but the best version of MS Office is still 2003.

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I decided to watch the Dub of Your Lie in April (Because I like Dubs, shoot me). And thought half of the Female cast was voiced by the same VA who does Sara in Trails of Cold Steel. Apparently I was half right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Keranen

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dub > sub

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Can't deny I've enjoyed the dubs of my 3 favorite anime.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Lindbeck
I swear half of this cast is in Trails of Cold Steel

Aaaand Rixia too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Mendez

Kousei is literally McBurn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mittelman


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Judgmenl posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Lindbeck
I swear half of this cast is in Trails of Cold Steel

And Persona 5. And Fire Emblem: Three Houses. They get around.

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Judgmenl posted...

Can't deny I've enjoyed the dubs of my 3 favorite anime.

Offhand, I can't think of a single anime I prefer subbed. And a lot of anime I like specifically for the dub. Case Closed's VAs are so great that I hear the characters' voices while reading Detective Conan.

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Zeus posted...

Offhand, I can't think of a single anime I prefer subbed. And a lot of anime I like specifically for the dub. Case Closed's VAs are so great that I hear the characters' voices while reading Detective Conan.

You probably haven't seen very many anime then.
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For me sub or dub is fine. I generally watch subbed cause it's what I'm used to and I can like half understand it at this point anyway. Another 90 or so years and I'll probably be fluent.

I think the main problem with dubs isn't with any specific dub, but just that they use the same 30 or so VAs for everything for decades. There's some pretty popular japanese VAs as well but you won't have shows where you realize the entire voice cast is basically the same voice cast as 10 other shows and 3 games. I think recently it's been moving away from that but I don't watch recent dubs so I'm not too aware personally.

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Quality aside, one major advantage of dubs is that they don't require your full attention. You can actually take your eyes off the screen every once in a while without missing any dialogue.

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everyone go look up "My father became a cute VTuber girl!" and read it

pls

only one chapter so far but still

keyblader1985 posted...

You can actually take your eyes off the screen every once in a while without missing any dialogue.

not gonna claim literacy because language is hard but as long as I have the context and the show isn't super complicated, I can definitely watch without looking at the subs and still understand most things

kind of amazing what a decade of immersion does to your brain for someone like me who struggles big time with actively learning languages

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think the main problem with dubs isn't with any specific dub, but just that they use the same 30 or so VAs for everything for decades. There's some pretty popular japanese VAs as well but you won't have shows where you realize the entire voice cast is basically the same voice cast as 10 other shows and 3 games. I think recently it's been moving away from that but I don't watch recent dubs so I'm not too aware personally.

^My issue with dubs explained perfectly.^

That said I love the FMA dub and prefer it over the sub.

Mushishi is also pretty good dubbed (probably because theres like one main character and everyong else changes), its a shame they didnt sub S2.


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I will say though, I cannot switch from one to other. I could never watch cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell or trigun or eva or any other adult swim anime subbed because I'm just used to the dub so all the voices just sound wrong. Sub to dub is the same problem. I remember trying to rewatch higurashi and figured I'd try the dub this time and I just couldn't handle it.

agesboy posted... not gonna claim literacy because language is hard but as long as I have the context and the show isn't super complicated, I can definitely watch without looking at the subs and still understand most things

Same, especially if it's just a few lines. Most anime dialogue is the same 100 or so words/phrases anyway. I've had it happen a few times where I get up to get food and then half way back remember "wait a second, i can't speak japanese" once I finally don't understand something.

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I can't stand most dubs, so i just avoid them. I can however, switch back and forth and do so when playing Tales games that offer that choice. I'll usually do a whole playthrough in one language and then the other the next time I decide to play through it.

Speaking of Tales, I'm pretty far into my Vesperia replay. I don't remember a lot of the game, so I'm not sure where I am, but I think I'm at the last story dungeon. I feel like Vesperia DE is harder than the 360 version was in some spots, but I may just be misremembering.

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Vesperia DE felt way harder than I remember starting a fresh file on hard. In berseria I started on the hardest difficulty and moved up whenever I unlocked a new one and never had any issues at all but even just hard in vesperia is so difficult. I guess mainly cause you can't just outskill a fight super hard. You have to take damage and use healing items early on especially so it feels rough. I got too sick to finish my playthrough so I don't know how hard it got.

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The only thing in Vesperia I didn't like was the ending. I loved everything up until then.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Vesperia DE felt way harder than I remember starting a fresh file on hard. In berseria I started on the hardest difficulty and moved up whenever I unlocked a new one and never had any issues at all but even just hard in vesperia is so difficult. I guess mainly cause you can't just outskill a fight super hard. You have to take damage and use healing items early on especially so it feels rough. I got too sick to finish my playthrough so I don't know how hard it got.

Yeah I started playing on normal at first. It was too easy. I just bought the Namco Bundle so hopefully they'll remove Denuvo so I can play it soon.
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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Vesperia DE felt way harder than I remember starting a fresh file on hard. In berseria I started on the hardest difficulty and moved up whenever I unlocked a new one and never had any issues at all but even just hard in vesperia is so difficult. I guess mainly cause you can't just outskill a fight super hard. You have to take damage and use healing items early on especially so it feels rough. I got too sick to finish my playthrough so I don't know how hard it got.

that is because you're comparing it to the most recent tales you played, which happens to also be the easiest in the entire series, and the game being compared has always had a strange difficulty curve.

fuck gattuso. i actually found him easier in the DE, though.

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Bulbasaur posted...

that is because you're comparing it to the most recent tales you played, which happens to also be the easiest in the entire series, and the game being compared has always had a strange difficulty curve.

fuck gattuso. i actually found him easier in the DE, though.

Vesperia was easy too. All you had to do was use tidal wave.
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agesboy posted...

everyone go look up "My father became a cute VTuber girl!" and read it

pls

only one chapter so far but still

Yes!

I read it when it came out but thought it might be a little bit too weebish even for here so I didn't talk about it lol.

But yeah, I agree, go read it folks!


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Vesperia ends up easy but you need to get all the good skills and abilities. At the start you just have no recourse but to take damage a lot of the time.

Any of the newer games on their hardest difficulty aren't too bad because they let you dodge stuff. Specifically xillia, xillia 2, graces f, zesteria, and berseria. Vesperia on the other hand is a lot more traditional RPG where stats make a huge difference. The hard start kinda reminded me of infinite undiscovery which had the most absurd start on infinity difficulty. You do 3 damage a hit, the enemies have 500 hp, and they kill you in 2 hits. It was so bullshit that it was actually fun cause it was like a puzzle. Then you farm the HP increase item that gives you a % increase to your max hp and end up with billions. Was glorious. I miss that game. I wonder if theres an emulator I can play it on.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Vesperia ends up easy but you need to get all the good skills and abilities. At the start you just have no recourse but to take damage a lot of the time.

Any of the newer games on their hardest difficulty aren't too bad because they let you dodge stuff. Specifically xillia, xillia 2, graces f, zesteria, and berseria. Vesperia on the other hand is a lot more traditional RPG where stats make a huge difference. The hard start kinda reminded me of infinite undiscovery which had the most absurd start on infinity difficulty. You do 3 damage a hit, the enemies have 500 hp, and they kill you in 2 hits. It was so bullshit that it was actually fun cause it was like a puzzle. Then you farm the HP increase item that gives you a % increase to your max hp and end up with billions. Was glorious. I miss that game. I wonder if theres an emulator I can play it on.

I only lost during boss fights in Vesperia I think. I never played Xillia since it isn't on PC yet for some reason.
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Xillia is probably my least favorite of the newer games. It's not terrible or anything but the world feels small and unrealized and the combat is the worst of the newer games IMO. The characters are also only ok. I also remember using palm strike like 50 billion times cause it was just better than using combos in a lot of situations. I think graces f has the best gameplay and symphonia has the best story with versperia having the the best characters/world.

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xillia sucked imo but xillia 2 was fantastic


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I have never played a tales of game

In my childhood I always wanted to play symphonia but I never did.

The only jrpg I ever played on gamecube was Baten Kaitos, which I loved.


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baten kaitos might be my favorite overall GC game in the end (coming from someone who grew up on solely nintendo consoles)

definitely had its flaws but it did what it did right very well

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I never played that one. I got the Gamecube late. I missed out on a $99 Dreamcast too back then since I didn't have any money on me.
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I didn't have access to GameCube games until I got a Wii. I bought a few games, but the only one I spent a significant amount of time on was Sonic Adventure 2. The rest are still backlogged.

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Well happened to be browsing the Humble Store for something else and saw Vesperia DE for $20. I know what I'm playing when I have 3 days off in a row next week.

I want Tales of Symphonia too but they never released the Chronicles version that included Dawn of the New World. I never had a chance to play that sequel.
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It was aight but expecting ToS 2.0 (which is a perfectly legitimate expectation, considering near-direct sequel) tends to lead to disappointment. Still had an absolute blast playing it multiplayer and the gameplay is definitely more free and fast paced than symphonia.

Kind of reminds me of FF13-2 and Xillia 2 in how people were disappointed in it not being the same as the first game with occasionally silly plot choices, but I still loved all 3.

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agesboy posted...

It was aight but expecting ToS 2.0 (which is a perfectly legitimate expectation, considering near-direct sequel) tends to lead to disappointment. Still had an absolute blast playing it multiplayer and the gameplay is definitely more free and fast paced than symphonia.

Kind of reminds me of FF13-2 and Xillia 2 in how people were disappointed in it not being the same as the first game with occasionally silly plot choices, but I still loved all 3.

I just really like the Tales games. People bash Berseria but it wasn't that bad. Zestiria was good too. Which reminds me that it's $10 for me if I want it. I originally Luffyed both games.

Tales of Xillia is the one game I absolutely want to play the most out of any that hasn't been ported to PC yet. It just looked so damn good every time I saw videos or other stuff.
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Baten Kaitos is a good game with a horrendous dub.

Revelation34 posted...

I originally Luffyed both games.

I know what you're saying, but all I can picture is somebody playing the game with thirty-foot stretchy arms.

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The more time passes, the less I like the Xillia games tbh. Just something about it rubs me the wrong way even if the battle system is excellent.

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$32.53 total because of my discounts. Wound up buying Zesteria too so I'm set for awhile on JRPGs. Should I play .hack? I played the first game on PS2 but never got the others.
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The .hack series is ok but not great IMO. I haven't played the GU games but I did buy them recently for cheap.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

The .hack series is ok but not great IMO. I haven't played the GU games but I did buy them recently for cheap.

Yeah I got the bundle the other day. I was going to install it until I saw Vesperia for that price.
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Baten Kaitos was great, never got the prequel unfortunately. Xillia was the most mediocre Tales I've played. The only one I rate worse, is ToS 2, which is the only Tales I own that I've never finished. It was so cheaply and shittily done and a huge turn off. Had it been named something else and not dealt with ToS lore/characters, I'd probably have found at least some enjoyment from it.

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I need to play Baten Kaitos again, the dub was bad though but memorable and the card aspect of the fighting system was great.

AND VERY memorable battle music (I havent heard it for years but I can hear it perfectly still):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvT5QO4Vd2U
I actually received a hard copy of the OST with the game when I got it many year ago, I still have the game somewhere but I dunno where the ost disk ended up.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

The .hack series is ok but not great IMO. I haven't played the GU games but I did buy them recently for cheap.

.Hack was a lot of fun and I had very strong nostalgia from playing it. I admit when I played a little more recently that the dungeons were pretty bland looking and went forever though I still had fun pretending I was playing an MMO.

I enjoyed checking my email/forum posts and the desktop music was the so tranquil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTAMhIkckhw

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dragon504 posted...

Baten Kaitos was great, never got the prequel unfortunately. Xillia was the most mediocre Tales I've played. The only one I rate worse, is ToS 2, which is the only Tales I own that I've never finished. It was so cheaply and shittily done and a huge turn off. Had it been named something else and not dealt with ToS lore/characters, I'd probably have found at least some enjoyment from it.

ToS 2 and tempest seem to be the most hated among the fans. Xillia at least isn't bad, just mediocre. A lot of people also dislike the gameboy advanced version of phantasia but I personally enjoyed it as well as the narakiri dungeon and tales of the world games. Tales was my favorite rpg series until xenoblade came out and it's still probably my 3rd favorite series overall. I think it really proves that for me great characters is much better than a great plot for rpgs cause even the more mediocre tales games have good characters that are very fleshed out cause of all the skits.

Monster Hunter still the best overall series even if world is not the direction I wanted it to go in.

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deoxxys posted...

AND VERY memorable battle music (I havent heard it for years but I can hear it perfectly still):

peak motoi sakuraba

when i was playing star ocean mobage half a year ago, the music from it reminded me just how much his stuff gets my blood pumping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0UhMAxIsDw

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That ending to Your Lie in April was even more depressing than I expected.

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Judgmenl posted...

That ending to Your Lie in April was even more depressing than I expected.

Yeah. I liked how human all the characters felt in the ending. I'm glad the main girl was scared and sad and shit like you really would be. It made it so much more impactful that she did her best to be strong when we can see the kinds of emotions so was dealing with.

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agesboy posted...

peak motoi sakuraba

when i was playing star ocean mobage half a year ago, the music from it reminded me just how much his stuff gets my blood pumping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0UhMAxIsDw

oh same artist/composer?

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yeah, motoi does a lot of good shit

star ocean, tales, golden sun, dark souls, bravely default, valkyrie profile, mario golf/tennis, and a bunch of other random jrpgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IpIapeffE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEjqqUTz-us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsps0I58yUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPOSBDrqoDY

some of his stuff does sound a bit samey (it's usually fast paced progressive rock with very strong melodies), but he generally gives each series its own distinct flavor. in particular, i had no idea he did dark souls until it was pointed out to me, and then i could hear it

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I put about 5 hours in Vesperia yesterday. I forgot about shitty secret missions.
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Revelation34 posted...

You probably haven't seen very many anime then.

I've only seen several hundred (I imagine somewhere between 300-500), which is certainly on the low-end even for this board let alone true anime fans who are absolutely fanatical.

Actually, it's possible that I'm lowballing that number since I'm not counting standalone films at all. But still, by the standards of an enthusiast, it's rather small.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think the main problem with dubs isn't with any specific dub, but just that they use the same 30 or so VAs for everything for decades. There's some pretty popular japanese VAs as well but you won't have shows where you realize the entire voice cast is basically the same voice cast as 10 other shows and 3 games. I think recently it's been moving away from that but I don't watch recent dubs so I'm not too aware personally.

It seems a problem more specific to certain anime. Plus some VAs are talented enough that their voices aren't distinctly the same.

keyblader1985 posted...

Quality aside, one major advantage of dubs is that they don't require your full attention. You can actually take your eyes off the screen every once in a while without missing any dialogue.

This so hard, since it impacts my viewing ability.


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agesboy posted...

yeah, motoi does a lot of good shit

star ocean, tales, golden sun, dark souls, bravely default, valkyrie profile, mario golf/tennis, and a bunch of other random jrpgs

Thats pretty cool, its nice to have such talent in good games.

I really ought to play another JRPG, its been a while so I dont know where to start.


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quigonzel posted...

Just started Magical Index as I've heard good things about both this and Railgun. First ep was a good hook. I'm gonna stick with it.

Hopefully youll like it more then I did.

I might skip to railgun

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