Board 8 > transience's top 100 games -- please insert disc 2.

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pjbasis posted...

Connections to CT don't seem like a very important metric to judge the game by imo.

I did play it without knowing a Chrono Trigger ever existed, which was probably for the best.

I mean, you can't ignore it if you've played Chrono Trigger. The scene at Leene's Bell was like a kick in the nuts from the game devs. And the Kid/Schala stuff was pretty in your face at the end.

Playing it without having played CT would probably be a lot more enjoyable... but not as enjoyable as actually playing CT.

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you know, I wonder if playing DQ11 before 8 does a disservice to 8. one of 8s major overhauls was the monsters and the animations and I think that sticks around long term for people who played it back when. if you play 11 first, I could see that major innovation feeling like no big deal.

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Good read as always; thanks for sharing!

Given how much I enjoyed the rest of your top four, maybe I should give N++ a spin at some point...

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transcience posted...

you know, I wonder if playing DQ11 before 8 does a disservice to 8. one of 8s major overhauls was the monsters and the animations and I think that sticks around long term for people who played it back when. if you play 11 first, I could see that major innovation feeling like no big deal.

I played 8 before 11, I got about 10 hours into 8 and gave up, whereas I beat 11 on PS4 and Switch.

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I imagine n++ is for a specific kind of platformer fan, but for those people its the absolute best at what it does.

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transcience posted...

I would contribute to an HRRH Xenogears patreon. lets do this.

I got bills, don't tempt me.

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HaRRicH posted...

I got bills, don't tempt me.

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Kaxon posted...

I mean, you can't ignore it if you've played Chrono Trigger. The scene at Leene's Bell was like a kick in the nuts from the game devs. And the Kid/Schala stuff was pretty in your face at the end.

Even if I played Chrono Trigger first I doubt I would really care that much. The main plot of CC is itself a minor point to me. The game is so much more about vignettes and smaller stories and adventure.

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I do appreciate the darker aspects of time travel repercussions that Chrono Cross explores. It's just weird for it to come at Trigger's expense, which is generally an upbeat and optimistic game.

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That's actually what makes it super interesting to me.

I love tonal shifts, and would have liked to see a Chrono 3 try something completely new too.

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transcience posted...

you know, I wonder if playing DQ11 before 8 does a disservice to 8. one of 8s major overhauls was the monsters and the animations and I think that sticks around long term for people who played it back when. if you play 11 first, I could see that major innovation feeling like no big deal.

I've at least seen a fair bit of 8 gameplay, long before I played 11, so I know how much of a leap it was over previous DQ games. I do think I'd end up inevitably preferring 11 even after playing 8 for basically that reason, though.

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pjbasis posted...

That's actually what makes it super interesting to me.

I love tonal shifts, and would have liked to see a Chrono 3 try something completely new too.

It's more of a tonal whiplash and makes it a bit more difficult to enjoy the way CT ends!

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CONTROVERSIAL PAGE 5 DQ RANKING OPINION

Also noting the system played because the differences can be huge.

...**** you auto-list.

DQXI (Steam) > DQVI (Android) > DQV (Android) > DWIII (GBC) > DQ Heroes (Steam) > DQIX (3DS) > DQII (Android) > DQ (Android) > DQIV (Android)

With Fortune Street (Wii) somewhere in the top three as well.

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2 above 4 is a fucking war crime

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Just played the first case in Ace Attorney.

Is it weird that my first reaction is "holy shit this soundtrack is stellar"?

The humor and the animation are on point (it's crazy that this is almost 20 years ago), but good god the music brings it all home.

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Totally valid reaction actually

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Just played the first case in Ace Attorney.

Is it weird that my first reaction is "holy shit this soundtrack is stellar"?

The humor and the animation are on point (it's crazy that this is almost 20 years ago), but good god the music brings it all home.

Would read a playthrough topic!

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Yes, the soundtrack is part of what makes Ace Attorney work! Its presentation is top notch.

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Amazing soundtrack and it uses its soundtrack well, agreed.

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just echoing others,

1. would totally read a topic

2. yes, the soundtrack is incredible. it's one of those things that makes AA feel so good to play
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I actually found a top 100 list I write as an exercise in 2016.

I don't game a lot any more, so there's not a lot of things I could add, I guess.
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Wish I saved the writeups for the bottom half I made.

IV for me was unmemorable. It might be because I played it immediately between II and V, it might be because V and VI were such better games, it might be because the accents in the version I played were atrocious and I didn't care in the least about most of the characters in their individual chapters or when I got them back. The story was pretty hood, but the game felt overlong.

And whenever I saw old locations and ruins in V and VI, I didn't even think of the characters or story in IV. I'll likely have to give it a second go-round, but it just wasn't great. DQHeroes gave IV's characters more life and energy, imo.

As for II, I really found myself surprised by it. I liked the trio of heroes and descendancy destiny. The plot was solid and checking out Alefgard years later and what changed was excellent. I understand there are some insanely difficult moments requiring the Nintendo hotline in the original, and that there are some quality of life improvements to make those things solvsble in gsme without a horrendous amount of guesswork. The game flowed well, which is already a bonus against the start-stop elements of IV and the eternal grind of I. The dungeons were a good kind of old school confusing, where I made paper maps for the first time in ages to figure out where to go and which stairs led where.

The only moment of frustration i remember is needing to look up a FAQ early on to where the hell Prince Paul was after thinking I triple-checked every town and cave for him. Other than that, the game was quite fun.

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Everything 11 and after has been horrible to rank so far, so just gonna throw a top ten games in here.

1. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
2. Metal Gear Solid 3
3. Team Fortress 2
4. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
5. Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
6. Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
7. Xenoblade Chronicles
8. The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC
9. Metal Gear Solid
10. CrossCode

With a battle between nostalgia and new titles crowding 11 through.... 35?

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My own list seems steeped in nostalgia.

I think it also shows what game platforms you were exposed to, and enjoyed. There's a lot of Sega and early Nintendo on mine because they are what I grew up with.
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that ends up being my 75-100 or so. I think I do a decent job of keeping that away in the top 50 with a couple of obvious exceptions (like FF1)

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428 Shibuya Scramble, Life is Strange, Dragon Quest XI, and The Witness were all fighting for top ten and are now fighting to stay in the top twenty. Yay nostalgia.

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give it a day and come back to it. youll know when its right when you do that and nothing radical happens.

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I am working on a top 100, inspired by this topic.

Spoilers: I am a slave to the jrpg

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am a slave to the jprg.

Tag

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I'm just going through my list of games played and putting them in a rough order one game at a time, and then I'll shuffle them around afterwards. We'll see how many I feel confident I can talk about after that!

I might do a general tiering for all the other games I've played that I don't actually feel like precisely ranking and talking about.

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imkindafunny posted...

My own list seems steeped in nostalgia.

I think it also shows what game platforms you were exposed to, and enjoyed. There's a lot of Sega and early Nintendo on mine because they are what I grew up with.

That's why I'm often more interested in game of the year or game of the decade lists. Less based on just nostalgia.
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My lists don't have too much nostalgia. Heck, I think this decade would actually dominate pretty strong in the top level. My problem is that it's just some amorphous blob where I can swing games up or down like 4 spots either way even in the Top 10.

I'd be having second doubts about the order in the middle of the write-up, let alone actually posting or the next day lol.

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thats why I tier things! I feel very good about those. I usually order a list but halfway I start just picking the worst game on the board and going with that

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Yeah, I could do tiers pretty well, but you ask me to order the tiers to make a true list and it becomes a mess.

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There are certain games I feel pretty strongly about (either for good or bad), and when I'm sorting the list, I basically determine "do I like it more or less than this one?" and slot it in between them, and then order it later.

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sometimes its easier to stay within a genre and then compare across later. like, ff7 vs. chrono trigger vs. xenoblade, or mario world vs. sonic 2 vs. celeste or whatever.

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I have made it to the M section of my sorting process

unfortunately that includes a lot of Mario and Mega Man (with some Mass Effect and Metal Gear Solid thrown in for good measure) so this might take a while

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Im working on defining genres for my list (yeah, im bored on a road trip in a car for hours). would you call super mario odyssey a platformer or an action/adventure game? I could go either way. I think most people will default to platformer but it might be more than that given the world.

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Its secretly an open world sandbox.

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transcience posted...

Im working on defining genres for my list (yeah, im bored on a road trip in a car for hours). would you call super mario odyssey a platformer or an action/adventure game? I could go either way. I think most people will default to platformer but it might be more than that given the world.

I would almost call most 3-D Mario games action/adventure games with platforming elements. I know that's kind of a copout answer, but it's hard for a 3-D game to be strictly a platformer, I think.

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If you use the jump button more than the action/attack button, it's a platformer

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even if that were a good metric (its not, since it would make mega man a platformer), I wouldnt be surprised if Odyssey used the hat more than the jump button

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do you not think mega man is a platformer?

transcience posted...

even if that were a good metric (its not, since it would make mega man a platformer), I wouldnt be surprised if Odyssey used the hat more than the jump button

No way. You shoot way more than you jump in Mega Man.

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an action platformer maybe, but I consider any game that has a dedicated attack button to be more of an action game. I would call Celeste a platformer and Mega Man 2d action.

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i have never thought of defining games in that way. i see.

transcience posted...

I consider any game that has a dedicated attack button to be more of an action game.

Mario 64? Crash Bandicoot?

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genres are super fuzzy things anyway. you could call Metroid a platformer and be totally right except I think you can be more accurate by using a more granular term like action/adventure or metroidvania.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Mario 64? Crash Bandicoot?

yeah, youre not wrong - which is why I was questioning Odyssey. maybe thats more of a 3d platformers controls vs. a 2d one. Ill probably just call Odyssey a platformer and leave it at that.

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Well, I think the platforming is secondary in Metroid. I don't know that I'd say it's a secondary aspect in Mega Man though.

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