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CassandraCain
12/30/19 2:03:56 PM
#352:


As RLM said, just because the sequels aren't great doesn't make the prequels any better. They are still awful movies.

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StifledSilence
12/30/19 2:22:49 PM
#353:


I loved the movie. Like a lot. It may be my new favorite of the bunch. I have pretty much zero complaints except:

  1. Rose getting benched was horseshit. I loved her character (minus the lame casino side quest) and wanted more. They should have learned their lesson from benching SITH LORD JAR JAR that listening to the whiny fans is a bad idea.
  2. Palps telling Kylo to kill Rey but he needed Rey all along but he needed both of them all along. Like...what? I ignored most of this because I love me some Palps. But still. The "plan" was all over the place.
  3. The Knights of Ren. They ended up being about as fodderific as the Pretorian Guards in TLJ. In fact, they put up more of a fight. They might as well have been the Knights instead. Hyping up a group for three movies and having them all die without identity or showing their skills in battle is a waste.

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TheRock1525
12/30/19 2:36:13 PM
#354:


Leonhart4 posted...
The sequel trilogy was already better than the prequels after Episode VII.

CassandraCain posted...
As RLM said, just because the sequels aren't great doesn't make the prequels any better. They are still awful movies.


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FFDragon
12/30/19 2:57:12 PM
#355:


CassandraCain posted...
As RLM said, just because the sequels aren't great doesn't make the prequels any better. They are still awful movies.

Which speaks volumes about my opinion of the sequels. 9 is the worst Star Wars movie to date imo

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Grand Kirby
12/30/19 4:51:14 PM
#356:


The prequels are not good. But I can't honestly say I enjoyed them less than the sequel trilogy.

One thing I've noticed is that the sequels actually end up causing me more displeasure outside of the films themselves. I rewatched the original trilogy recently and I couldn't help but enjoy them less with the knowledge that it's all pointless. The victories they've won won't matter in the sequels, and all the heroes are going to die miserably. It's really hard to watch the ending to Return of the Jedi with any sense of hope knowing that now the First Order is going to rise and destroy all the peace that everyone fought so hard for, that Han and Leia are going to give birth to a mass murderer and end up bitter and separated, and that nearly all the new Jedi are going to be purged again. It just makes me fucking depressed now. What a galaxy of misery.

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Mr Lasastryke
12/30/19 6:56:13 PM
#357:


Leonhart4 posted...
I'm pretty sure 3PO is in TFA for all of 30 seconds and never says "Thank the Maker."

i distinctly remember him saying it. i think it was during the scene of the resistance planning to destroy starkiller base.

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XIII_rocks
12/30/19 6:58:42 PM
#358:


He definitely does say it, I remember it
Just the once but yeah

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CoolCly
12/30/19 7:01:24 PM
#359:


I think the text write up Tycho did alongside that PA comic is a really good summation about how I feel about the whole thing.

Here it is:

I think Im gonna end up seeing Rise of Skywalker on an airplane at some point, on the back of the seat in front of me. Thats about my interest level. There were inklings of it in the first movie, if you want to go back that far, but it really seems like the new trilogy wasnt conceived of as a trilogy at all. Its genuinely hard to believe. And not just because of what Disney managed to accomplish with their Marvel project, making an ecosystem of movies in different genres and then somehow crafting a kind of metamovie to conclude it. Obviously, they can do it. That they didnt - and that they expected us to go along with it - is incredible.

Star Wars isnt Holy to me. Like a lot of people who grew up when I did, I do like it. But theres a hard cap on precisely how disappointed I can be in it. Seeing the whole thing transformed into some kind of cultural shibboleth when it can barely hold itself together narratively film to film, its like these movies arent up to the task. It doesnt even matter what task you had in mind. A full-throated defense of these things is either unconscious, freelance PR, corporate ring-kissing, or invertebrate worship of a graven idol. They shouldnt come back to theatres until they can deliver something that isnt such a gruesome indictment of their hegemonic cultural control.

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TotallyNotMI
12/30/19 7:25:44 PM
#360:


I loved it. Easily best of this trilogy.

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TotallyNotMI
12/30/19 7:56:33 PM
#361:


TheRock1525 posted...
Oh cool timjab is back.

Welcome back to my ignore list.
+1

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HanOfTheNekos
12/30/19 7:59:05 PM
#362:


Solo > 5 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 9 > 1=2=3=RO=8


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DoomTheGyarados
12/30/19 7:59:44 PM
#363:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Solo > 5 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 9 > 1=2=3=RO=8

What the fuck

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Xeybozn
12/30/19 8:06:20 PM
#364:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Solo > 5 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 9 > 1=2=3=RO=8

...A ranking of Star Wars films by screentime for Han Solo?
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MichelBollinger
12/30/19 8:07:29 PM
#365:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Solo > 5 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 9 > 1=2=3=RO=8

Finally, and evil for us to unite against.
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heroicmario
12/30/19 8:11:08 PM
#366:


TROS is a strange movie to talk about. My thoughts after seeing twice have been that it is an incredibly *watchable* movielightning pacing, fun action, some humorbut if you hold it up to any scrutiny at all, the whole thing comes crashing down. Star Wars movies have always meant to be fun romps, but TROS takes that to such a degree that you cant even take away any sort of message or morsel of deeper meaning from it all, because its sort of unconcerned with being anything else but a ride. The worst thing it did was make Rey a conduit for twists and audience winking instead of building on the great stuff The Last Jedi laid out. Well, that, or totally failing to land the idea of the Force Dyad in the last battle by just making Kylo sort of irrelevant? God, its so frustrating when you even just scratch the surface of anything they did!

But its still better than any of the prequelsand TFA and TLJ were legitimately great!
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Reg
12/30/19 8:11:29 PM
#367:


Xeybozn posted...
...A ranking of Star Wars films by screentime for Han Solo?
Is 7 > 4 even accurate for that?
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TotallyNotMI
12/30/19 8:20:28 PM
#368:


6
5
Rogue One
9
4
7
3
Solo
1
2
8

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MariaTaylor
12/30/19 8:22:58 PM
#369:


RO > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 6 > 8 > 3/2/1

I can't really distinguish the prequels anymore, I'd have to watch them again to give a fair assessment of which is "better" than the others... and watching them is not something I want to do.

also my favorite thing about rogue one is that it didn't feel like a star wars movie, so my opinions may not accurately reflect what a 'star wars fan' actually believes.


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StifledSilence
12/30/19 8:28:07 PM
#370:


5 = 9 > 7 > 3 > Solo > 4 > 6 > Rogue One > 8 > 1 > 2

Im impressed with Hans love of Solo.

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scarletspeed7
12/30/19 8:28:23 PM
#371:


Mandalorian>6>KOTOR>5>Thrawn Trilogy>Rogue Squadron Series>everything else

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TotallyNotMI
12/30/19 8:29:26 PM
#372:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Mandalorian>6>KOTOR>5>Thrawn Trilogy
I... can't argue with this.

Although I thought the second Thrawn book was awful.

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scarletspeed7
12/30/19 8:30:08 PM
#373:


The second book just is a holding pattern book, but 1 and 3 are awesome as all get out. Thrawn remains the best villain of the entire franchise in my estimation.

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TotallyNotMI
12/30/19 8:32:46 PM
#374:


I read every word of the second Thrawn book out loud to newborn Jacob while he sat and stared at me. It was the first book I read to him!

Shame it was that one and not one of the other two.

I tried reading him the third one but by then he was at the age where he wanted to grab the book and would get bored and crawl away. Oh well.

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scarletspeed7
12/30/19 8:33:54 PM
#375:


He just wanted to read it to you, that's all.

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scarletspeed7
12/30/19 8:34:17 PM
#376:


Oh, and throw in the game TIE Fighter before "everything else". Amazing Star Wars game.

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heroicmario
12/30/19 8:36:38 PM
#377:


1) A New Hope
2) The Last Jedi
3) Return of the Jedi
4) The Force Awakens
5) The Empire Strikes Back
6) Solo
7) The Rise of Skywalker
8) Rogue One
9) Revenge of the Sith
10) The Clone Wars
11) The Phantom Menace
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GANON1025
12/30/19 8:36:41 PM
#378:


I also hold KOTOR 2, and specifically Kreia, in pretty high regard.

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Grand Kirby
12/30/19 9:36:11 PM
#379:


Star Tours > everything else

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XIII_rocks
12/30/19 11:33:23 PM
#380:


Also - what specifically was the Fortnite tie-in? How did it connect to the movie?

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heroicmario
12/30/19 11:35:09 PM
#381:


It played Palpatines message that was referenced in the scrawl. Apparently, they couldnt figure out how to work it into the movie without messing with the pacing, so Fortnite.
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HanOfTheNekos
12/31/19 12:39:53 AM
#382:


Reg posted...
Is 7 > 4 even accurate for that?

Apparently it is!


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LinkMarioSamus
12/31/19 11:34:13 AM
#383:


The new Planet of the Apes trilogy was so much stronger than this crapfest and yet Disney owns Fox. There is no justice in this world.

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scarletspeed7
12/31/19 11:51:27 AM
#384:


The fact that you made an entirely new thread for that single post is why there is no justice in this world.

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Leonhart4
12/31/19 1:48:41 PM
#385:


heroicmario posted...
It played Palpatines message that was referenced in the scrawl. Apparently, they couldnt figure out how to work it into the movie without messing with the pacing, so Fortnite.

The dead speak!

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CassandraCain
12/31/19 3:11:08 PM
#386:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5mLw0A8vI

He makes a lot of good points. Specifically the part about Rose and yeah, Disney basically catered to the worst part of the fanbase with this movie and it's very upsetting.

If they had just stuck with what the Last Jedi set up they could have both pleased fans and redeemed that movie for the (sane) people that didn't like it.

Instead they tried to play it safe which ultimately made things worse. It's so damn disappointing.

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KokoroAkechi
12/31/19 3:48:47 PM
#387:


Leonhart4 posted...
The dead speak!

on on these crawls.

Does anyone else imagine that they are meant to be read in one of those old time news bulletin radio voices?
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Grand Kirby
12/31/19 3:52:37 PM
#388:


KokoroAkechi posted...
on on these crawls.

Does anyone else imagine that they are meant to be read in one of those old time news bulletin radio voices?
I just keep thinking of Episode III's crawl where the first sentence is just "War!"

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Xiahou Shake
12/31/19 3:55:46 PM
#389:


KokoroAkechi posted...
Does anyone else imagine that they are meant to be read in one of those old time news bulletin radio voices?
Not that it's exactly the same but this is what Clone Wars does for all of its opening narration. Also yeah Episode III really makes you think of it, too.

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Reg
12/31/19 4:17:56 PM
#390:


KokoroAkechi posted...
Does anyone else imagine that they are meant to be read in one of those old time news bulletin radio voices?
I totally get the concept, but the accompanying song makes it hard to actually imagine
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JonThePenguin
12/31/19 4:56:41 PM
#391:


Xiahou Shake posted...
Not that it's exactly the same but this is what Clone Wars does for all of its opening narration.

A GALAXY DIVIDED!

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KokoroAkechi
12/31/19 6:59:46 PM
#392:


Reg posted...
I totally get the concept, but the accompanying song makes it hard to actually imagine

just put one of those typical starwars screen wipes and add in the batman transition sound effect.
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Waluigi1
01/01/20 9:48:00 AM
#393:


If you don't read the opening crawl in Admiral Wulff Yularen's voice, you're doing it wrong.

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MichelBollinger
01/01/20 12:00:04 PM
#394:


John Boyega going off on SW now that he's done is the best part of this whole mess.
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FFDragon
01/01/20 12:35:04 PM
#395:


MichelBollinger posted...
John Boyega going off on SW now that he's done is the best part of this whole mess.

I just saw some of this and it is amazing.

He's definitely serious about never reprising his role!

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MichelBollinger
01/01/20 12:40:41 PM
#396:


"You ain't going to Disney Plus me."
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GANON1025
01/01/20 12:42:46 PM
#397:


What's he saying?

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PrivateBiscuit1
01/01/20 12:43:47 PM
#398:


I only watched the first new movie and nothing else, and I am in no way a Star Wars fan (I am literally just a Boba Fett fan honestly just give me more Boba Fett somehow), but I find this whole breakdown of the fandom to be pretty unfortunate. Even though I have no investment in this franchise, I find it sad that it's devolved into this giant battlegrounds it's become and I wish that Disney could have created movies that would have pleased everyone.

To me, it seems like the problem starts with that Kathleen Kennedy and the fact that they made a trilogy without any sort of plan in mind. Like, you don't have a plan for a giant story for your trilogy for the biggest IP get you could possibly receive, and as a result it's a fucking mess. Why are people putting so much investment and care into it when even Disney and those in charge of this didn't put any care into these movies? I feel that even those who disagree on the movies could at the very least agree that Disney totally screwed up here in a way that is just embarrassing for a company that did spectacularly well with Marvel.

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FFDragon
01/01/20 1:01:48 PM
#400:


https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1212090062147637251 (click to expand)

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FFDragon
01/01/20 1:28:00 PM
#401:


https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1209077504914444288

This whole thread is good too where people try to argue with Finn about Finn and he just shuts people down left and right.

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TheRock1525
01/01/20 1:35:47 PM
#402:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I only watched the first new movie and nothing else, and I am in no way a Star Wars fan (I am literally just a Boba Fett fan honestly just give me more Boba Fett somehow), but I find this whole breakdown of the fandom to be pretty unfortunate. Even though I have no investment in this franchise, I find it sad that it's devolved into this giant battlegrounds it's become and I wish that Disney could have created movies that would have pleased everyone.

To me, it seems like the problem starts with that Kathleen Kennedy and the fact that they made a trilogy without any sort of plan in mind. Like, you don't have a plan for a giant story for your trilogy for the biggest IP get you could possibly receive, and as a result it's a fucking mess. Why are people putting so much investment and care into it when even Disney and those in charge of this didn't put any care into these movies? I feel that even those who disagree on the movies could at the very least agree that Disney totally screwed up here in a way that is just embarrassing for a company that did spectacularly well with Marvel.
Counter point: there hasn't been an unquestionably good Star Wars since 1980 so making a good Star Wars may truly be impossible now.

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