Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 183: For HARDCORE POLITICAL PUNDITS

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Lol and people think America isn't considered a big joke on the world stage right now.

Fly true Trump Baby balloon.
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^^ Wow, is that the new

"Lebron! Lebron! FUCKING LEBRON?!"
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LapisLazuli posted...

Lol and people think America isn't considered a big joke on the world stage right now.

Fly true Trump Baby balloon.

But they're BIG enough to TAKE IT, right?
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LapisLazuli posted...

Lol and people think America isn't considered a big joke on the world stage right now.

Fly true Trump Baby balloon.

Actually I think people are fine with America being a big joke on the world stage, because to many Americans the rest of the world is a big joke.

Seriously, look at people going around making fun of Canada and Europe for leftist policies.
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And people wonder why capitalism is having a tough time finding as much support
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Paul LePage vetoes law outlawing gay conversion therapy. Citing religious liberty

You know... I wonder how these conservatives would feel about there being straight conversion therapy clinics that did the same things these gay conversion therapy clinics did. Only to turn straight kids gay instead of the other way around. My guess is they would flip their shit. Fuck Paul LePage and Fuck the GOP.
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The UK government is imploding for those interested. After May got the cabinet to agree to her "soft" (not actually that soft) brexit plan, brexit secretary David Davis resigned (with brexiteers calling his replacement a traitor despite the fact that he's a brexiteer), followed by Boris Johnson. Good riddance.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1016327387154395138?s=21

I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not!

Emphasis mine.

What a weird code of priorities he has.
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Its crazy that they could be headed for another snap election so fast
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We have years of evidence that trump doesn't give a shit about contracts, jakyl
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Jakyl25 posted...

Emphasis mine.

What a weird code of priorities he has.

Well, I mean, it was brought up/reported at the time but "denuclearization" means a very different thing to NK than it does to the way its talked about casually in the US. They see it as the US also withdrawing its presence and capability in the area - not the unilateral disarmament that the US reports it as/how most people seem to read it.

so yeah from the beginning it was pretty obvious both sides "agreed" to something they had very different definitions to
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Also, it's gonna play well to older Americans how important a handshake supposedly is to Donald.

Didn't he shake hands with Schumer over DACA?
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I wonder if hes aware that the meaning of a handshake is not culturally uniform to mean binding deal.
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7/9/2018
TWITTER - Seth Abramson (Attorney, CNN, BBC, CBS, Vanity Fair)

CONCLUSION: These are just some of the lies Cohen has told that he'll retract if he cuts a deal with Mueller. Taken in sum, they will confirm an illegal pre-election scheme to end Russia sanctions in exchange for money and to commit crimes to hide pre-election indiscretions. /end

*MIDDLE OF THREAD*

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1016363048033046529

Thread discussing what Cohen lied about, what the truth is, what its implications are, and what Seth thinks these lies amount to.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1016327387154395138?s=21

I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not!

Emphasis mine.

What a weird code of priorities he has.

Trump got played hard by Un
"What a surprise"
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Brett Kavanaugh nominated for SCOTUS

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/president-trump-chooses-brett-kavanaugh-for-supreme-court-vacancy-1531184864
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Nice, a partisan hack who is willing to change his beliefs at the drop of a pin, depending on if they benefit someone he likes.
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Well, it wasn't exactly a surprise that he chose the one who has written in the past that a sitting President can't be subpoenaed or indicted... and even wrote further that they shouldn't be able to be criminally investigated!
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Yeah, I did some further digging into how exactly they determined that and it's... not useful. I'll delete that.
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xp1337 posted...

Well, it wasn't exactly a surprise that he chose the one who has written in the past that a sitting President can't be subpoenaed or indicted... and even wrote further that they shouldn't be able to be criminally investigated!

He was literally a part of multiple investigations against President Clinton...

Anyway... GREAT day for America as we finally cement our first true conservative majority in more than 80 years. :)
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You guys have had a conservative majority on the court since Reagan, at the very least.
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GREAT day for america because poor people are getting totally fucked over. :)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

GREAT day for america because poor people are getting totally fucked over. :)

But none of those poor people are Seph, so why should he care? :)
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Why does his political affiliation matter, Seph? I thought political activism among judges was a bad thing.
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You know damn well that activist judging is only bad if that judging means increased civil rights and healthcare access for the poor.
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I have to hand it to David French.

In trying to convince me that Barrett was the right choice he accidentally sold me on Kavanaugh being alright
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Of the apparent finalists, Hardiman was far and away the "best" choice and the only one really approaching "alright." IMO, of course. Basically the best choice one could expect from a Republican administration.
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Eddv posted...

I have to hand it to David French.

In trying to convince me that Barrett was the right choice he accidentally sold me on Kavanaugh being alright

I'm having trouble reconciling "the president shouldn't be indictable/asked to testify/etc" with "a president who very well may be asked to testify in an ongoing investigation picked this man" in any way that isn't totally self-serving to the president.

Like maybe in a vacuum he's "alright", but in the context of who picked him? Hell no.
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Same, reg. This reeks.
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https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1016642192616706050

Source familiar tells NBC that Justice Kennedy had been in negotiations with the Trump team for months over Kennedys replacement. Once Kennedy received assurances that it would be Kavanaugh (his former law clerk) Kennedy felt comfortable retiring - @LACaldwellDC & @frankthorp

The gilded age called, it wants its corruption back.
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The most shocking part of that story, if true, is that Kennedy believed them.

I mean, it turned out correct in the end, but I have no idea how Kennedy would trust that it would end up that way. Especially when you have stories saying the decision wasn't made as late as the night before.
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xp1337 posted...

Of the apparent finalists, Hardiman was far and away the "best" choice and the only one really approaching "alright." IMO, of course. Basically the best choice one could expect from a Republican administration.

I was of the impression that Hardiman wasn't even really being considered for the post.
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He made the finals both times!

(He was the second guy brought into DC when it turned out it was Gorsuch picked too)

So either he is seriously considered or they just really like to troll him. a 50/50 proposition admittedly
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Lets talk about the Tories!

The vice chairs of the party have both resigned.

It certainly looks like May is going to have to resign. She cannot possibly govern without the support of even her own minority gov.
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No way she'll resign of her own free will, this is her chance to kill off the hardline brexiteer rebellion. If she survives and passes the bill (possibly depending on Labour/Lib Dem support, but unlikely) then it proves they have no teeth. There are four outcomes here:

1. Nothing happens. The brexiteers piss and moan, but May stays.
2. Vote of No Confidence. If 48 Tory MPs send in letters of no confidence to the 1922 committee, a vote of no confidence is triggered which requires 158 Tory MPs (a majority of party MPs) to push her out, and she is barred from running in the resulting leadership election.
3. Leadership challenge. May does what Major did and resigns to run in a leadership election. If she wins the rebellion is dead.
4. General Election. May decides to either get a majority so she has the votes for her deal, or let Labour sort it out. Could possibly even see a Tory split into two parties like what happened to Labour in the 80s. This seems likely at some point because IIRC minority governments have never lasted more than about two years anyway.

Edit: Secret fifth option is she tries to form a national government with Labour but that seems difficult.
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Did somebody say stolen seat?

If republicans operated with any kind of honor (or actually valued the constitution) this would have been Trumps legitimate pick and Id have no issue.

Buuuuut we all know the republicans stole a seat from Obama and justify it with every logical fallacy in the book.

Lightning Strikes posted...

No way she'll resign of her own free will, this is her chance to kill off the hardline brexiteer rebellion. If she survives and passes the bill (possibly depending on Labour/Lib Dem support, but unlikely) then it proves they have no teeth. There are four outcomes here:

1. Nothing happens. The brexiteers piss and moan, but May stays.
2. Vote of No Confidence. If 48 Tory MPs send in letters of no confidence to the 1922 committee, a vote of no confidence is triggered which requires 158 Tory MPs (a majority of party MPs) to push her out, and she is barred from running in the resulting leadership election.
3. Leadership challenge. May does what Major did and resigns to run in a leadership election. If she wins the rebellion is dead.
4. General Election. May decides to either get a majority so she has the votes for her deal, or let Labour sort it out. Could possibly even see a Tory split into two parties like what happened to Labour in the 80s. This seems likely at some point because IIRC minority governments have never lasted more than about two years anyway.

Edit: Secret fifth option is she tries to form a national government with Labour but that seems difficult.

I had no idea a PM could resign and trigger an immediate leadership challenge like that without ending their government!
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xp1337 posted...

The most shocking part of that story, if true, is that Kennedy believed them.

I mean, it turned out correct in the end, but I have no idea how Kennedy would trust that it would end up that way. Especially when you have stories saying the decision wasn't made as late as the night before.

Because Kennedy's family & Trump's family already have a close relationship. See: Justin Kennedy.
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What sort of chaos is going on in the U.K. that spurred this upheaval?
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Disagreements about the implementation of brexit I believe
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Rip it off like a bandage

Come join us and be falling empire bros who the world is leaving behind
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/hammonds-trump-pardon/index.html

LAW AND ORDER
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"It's still law and order. If Obama was the law, then I give the order to ignore it."
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NBD, just the government brazenly ignoring a court order to undo its human rights abuses:
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1016660131428356101
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This entire administration needs to be prosecuted at the hague.
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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1016642192616706050

Source familiar tells NBC that Justice Kennedy had been in negotiations with the Trump team for months over Kennedys replacement. Once Kennedy received assurances that it would be Kavanaugh (his former law clerk) Kennedy felt comfortable retiring - @LACaldwellDC & @frankthorp

The gilded age called, it wants its corruption back.

This has been debunked already
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LordoftheMorons posted...

NBD, just the government brazenly ignoring a court order to undo its human rights abuses:
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1016660131428356101

It was obvious they were going to, the question is just if anyone has the teeth to do something about it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396145-trump-admin-wont-meet-deadline-to-reunite-separated-families

I am very encouraged about the progress, Sabraw said on Monday, according to the newspaper. This is real progress. Im optimistic that many of these families will be reunited tomorrow.

To which the answer is seemingly "no".
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Disagreements about the implementation of brexit I believe

They said her Brexit deal was too moderate.

It should be noted this deal was negotiated by the first two people who resigned, sparking this crisis.

So mostly its about sticking May with the bag now that they know this isnt going to work.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Rip it off like a bandage

Come join us and be falling empire bros who the world is leaving behind

I know this is joking, but there is an important point here as to why they can't just "get on with it" - it is actually impossible. The EU is tied to things like aviation, so a true no deal would mean flights can't leave the country. No trade arrangement means there would be chaos at the ports - there are no customs checks at Dover because they don't need them, and suddenly leaving the customs union would mean suddenly nothing could get into the country. So there would be huge food shortages. And that's not getting into the border with Ireland. All this is just a fraction of what no deal would cause.

Of course even a "hard" brexit with a deal is quite impossible because of the Irish border. The hard brexiteers are trying to crash the country for stupid ideology that doesn't even work. But the good news is that they've managed to remove themselves from relevance pretty well. And now all four of the great offices of state (Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary) are occupied by remainers...
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