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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:12:48 PM
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FreedomEtrtment posted...
https://qz.com/869499/new-evidence-says-us-sex-offender-policies-dont-work-and-are-are-actually-causing-more-crime/

Interesting to see that only a very small minority of developed countries have public sex offender registry.

I am perfectly fine with doing away with it entirely provided that pedophiles are never released from prison
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NibeIungsnarf
04/19/18 5:14:08 PM
#53:


thelovefist posted...
Pedophiles should not be considered humans the same way normal people are. They are monsters.

What are you overcompensating for with this pathetic rhetoric?
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:17:06 PM
#56:


fenderbender321 posted...
thelovefist posted...
FreedomEtrtment posted...
https://qz.com/869499/new-evidence-says-us-sex-offender-policies-dont-work-and-are-are-actually-causing-more-crime/

Interesting to see that only a very small minority of developed countries have public sex offender registry.

I am perfectly fine with doing away with it entirely provided that pedophiles are never released from prison


You'll gladly pay more in taxes to keep them locked up?

Yes
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:17:40 PM
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Th3Truth posted...
thelovefist posted...
Th3Truth posted...
thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.


Imagine defending human right violations. Which is ultra funny since Canada also routinely lets murderers out and give much more lenient sentences overall than the US.

Pedophiles should not be considered humans the same way normal people are. They are monsters.

DFNd1yVyRjmF2
Imagine spewing Nazi rhetoric.

Imagine associating contempt for pedophiles with Nazism...
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bover_87
04/19/18 5:18:26 PM
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I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'

For pedos, fine, ban them from playgrounds and shit. Some guy who pissed on the street one night? Fuck that.
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FreedomEtrtment
04/19/18 5:18:43 PM
#59:


thelovefist posted...
FreedomEtrtment posted...
https://qz.com/869499/new-evidence-says-us-sex-offender-policies-dont-work-and-are-are-actually-causing-more-crime/

Interesting to see that only a very small minority of developed countries have public sex offender registry.

I am perfectly fine with doing away with it entirely provided that pedophiles are never released from prison


What's stopping them from killing the kid to get rid of witnesses then? There's a reason why practically every judicial system in the world treats sexual molestation less harsh than murder and unlawful killings. Your personal knee-jerk reaction is your problem.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:20:16 PM
#60:


bover_87 posted...
I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'


Citation needed
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/19/18 5:23:52 PM
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thelovefist posted...
bover_87 posted...
I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'


Citation needed


Haha wtf? Are you suggesting all sex offenders are pedophiles? That would be some next level ignorance.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:24:38 PM
#63:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
thelovefist posted...
bover_87 posted...
I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'


Citation needed


Haha wtf? Are you suggesting all sex offenders are pedophiles? That would be some next level ignorance.

Citation needed
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daftpunk_mk5
04/19/18 5:25:28 PM
#64:


Hey look! A person who's served time and payed the price for a crime they committed! What should we do next? I know! Make it completely impossible for them to integrate back into society and remind them every day of their life that we think they're subhuman!
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ChopinList
04/19/18 5:27:47 PM
#65:


Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Sucks for Dawkins


Yep. He already got kicked off facebook for being a sex offender.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/19/18 5:29:18 PM
#66:


There goes Brother lovefist, mistaking pedophiles with child molesters again.
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Dice Power
04/19/18 5:31:24 PM
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thelovefist posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

Because they are. The whole "I peed in a park and got put on the sex offender list!" is a red herring used by people who consistently are apologists for pedophiles.


Ad hominem attacks are red herrings used by people who consistently attempt to dodge challenges to their views.

You're asserting that two groups are identical. This would be false if there are people who fall into one group but not the other. Whether or not we agree with the views of the individual who suggests such a counterexample isn't particularly helpful in pondering their suggestion.
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FreedomEtrtment
04/19/18 5:33:10 PM
#69:


fenderbender321 posted...
FreedomEtrtment posted...
What's stopping them from killing the kid to get rid of witnesses then? There's a reason why practically every judicial system in the world treats sexual molestation less harsh than murder and unlawful killings. Your personal knee-jerk reaction is your problem.


Great point. Criminal justice isn't so simple.

If some guy decided to molest a child, then afterwards he's gonna be like "oh man, I don't wanna go to prison for life...I know, I'll just murder the child so that he can't snitch on me."


Don't reply to me
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FreedomEtrtment
04/19/18 5:40:27 PM
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Nice over the top reaction and ad hominem.
You're no better than lovefist.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:42:03 PM
#72:


daftpunk_mk5 posted...
Hey look! A person who's served time and payed the price for a crime they committed! What should we do next? I know! Make it completely impossible for them to integrate back into society and remind them every day of their life that we think they're subhuman!

Pedophiles are subhuman
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darkjedilink
04/19/18 5:42:38 PM
#73:


fenderbender321 posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
As long as they are exempt from paying taxes for parks, I'm fine with this.

Nah you shouldn't get a discount for diddling kids.

It's not a discount for diddling kids. It's a discount for not being able to use something your taxes are paying for. Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Most convicted sex offenders are likely to re-offend - level-3 sex offenders have a 99% recidivism rate.
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deupd_u
04/19/18 5:44:26 PM
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***State supreme court
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Zanzenburger
04/19/18 5:44:50 PM
#76:


FreedomEtrtment posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
FreedomEtrtment posted...
What's stopping them from killing the kid to get rid of witnesses then? There's a reason why practically every judicial system in the world treats sexual molestation less harsh than murder and unlawful killings. Your personal knee-jerk reaction is your problem.


Great point. Criminal justice isn't so simple.

If some guy decided to molest a child, then afterwards he's gonna be like "oh man, I don't wanna go to prison for life...I know, I'll just murder the child so that he can't snitch on me."


Don't reply to me

This made me laugh for some reason.
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Questionmarktarius
04/19/18 5:45:49 PM
#77:


deupd_u posted...
***State supreme court

Ah...
So there's still a chance of this going to SCOTUS, and providing an excuse for talk-radio firehoses (and Nancy Grace) to meltdown spectacularly.

That's going to be fun.
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FreedomEtrtment
04/19/18 5:51:58 PM
#79:


fenderbender321 posted...
FreedomEtrtment posted...
Nice over the top reaction and ad hominem.
You're no better than lovefist.


You started it with your "Dont' reply to me" bullshit. Who the fuck says that to somebody on a literal message board? Especially when that person is agreeing with you and posting an example that illustrates your point.

And it's not "replying" to you anyway. It's quoting you and then adding my own thoughts. There's a difference. So I don't know, man, that's some weird behavior on your part.

"He started it". Yeah, someone who is as childish and has such awful debate skills as you only hinders my point. And you're doing it intentionally too so I'm just going put you on the ignore list.
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Laserion
04/19/18 6:09:23 PM
#81:


@thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/19/18 6:38:29 PM
#82:


thelovefist posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
thelovefist posted...
bover_87 posted...
I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'


Citation needed


Haha wtf? Are you suggesting all sex offenders are pedophiles? That would be some next level ignorance.

Citation needed


You need a citation to prove that not all sex offenders are pedophiles? Either you are beyond help or you're just acting like a kid who keeps saying "prove it" after every statement just to be annoying.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/19/18 6:43:39 PM
#83:


Laserion posted...
@thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.


But do you have a citation that proves those people aren't pedophiles?
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thelovefist
04/19/18 7:43:36 PM
#84:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Laserion posted...
thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.


But do you have a citation that proves those people aren't pedophiles?


Imagine having such a poor grasp of basic reasoning and such a desperate need for attention that you ask someone to prove a negative by mentioning them...
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/19/18 7:48:24 PM
#85:


thelovefist posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Laserion posted...
thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.


But do you have a citation that proves those people aren't pedophiles?


Imagine having such a poor grasp of basic reasoning and such a desperate need for attention that you ask someone to prove a negative by mentioning them...


Huh? I didn't mention you. I wasn't even talking to you. I was actually mocking you to another user. Of course you would completely ignore the post where I was talking to you.
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HotMaladorianAI
04/19/18 7:49:53 PM
#86:


OwlRammer posted...
bad law, this is just moving them from standing idle in the open areas where you can see what they are doing to having them stand in alleys where it's harder to keep track of them


Children would probably go to a park before venturing out to an alley.
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Tyranthraxus
04/19/18 9:26:03 PM
#87:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Laserion posted...
@thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.


But do you have a citation that proves those people aren't pedophiles?


I mean some of them are probably just regular rapists and not child rapists.
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Lil_Bit83
04/19/18 9:32:35 PM
#88:


I halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
why even let them out of jail at this point


Good to hear. Also I agree with this 100%
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sktgamer_13dude
04/19/18 9:35:00 PM
#89:


People need to stop replying to lovefist and fender seriously.
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BarneyBosco
04/19/18 10:11:04 PM
#90:


Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Sucks for Dawkins

He probably has a Chuck e cheese membership.
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pikachupwnage
04/19/18 10:15:44 PM
#91:


bover_87 posted...
I don't think lovefist understands that pedophiles are a small subset of 'sex offenders.'

For pedos, fine, ban them from playgrounds and shit. Some guy who pissed on the street one night? Fuck that.


This.

There really should be a separate list for pedophiles from everything else. The stigma around the sex offender list is too high for how varied and sometimes trivial the things are that can get you on it.
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SageHarpuia
04/19/18 10:20:45 PM
#92:


fenderbender321 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Yes.


Why not just leave them in prison then? Why torture them?

I'm not opposed to the death penalty for child molesters tbh
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/20/18 1:02:53 AM
#94:


Tyranthraxus posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Laserion posted...
@thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.

This part was not arguing for pedophiles. It was arguing for other people put on the list of sex offenders, like two adults that were caught having sex in a car, or someone who had to pee outside. Those shouldn't be put in the same punished category as pedophiles.


But do you have a citation that proves those people aren't pedophiles?


I mean some of them are probably just regular rapists and not child rapists.


Uhgh Whole citation .nevermind I did do thisbritght sorry :(

Don't take the otbervseriously though. .
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Zeus
04/20/18 1:15:07 AM
#95:


SuperMariano3 posted...
Artaveus Lowe of Elgin


Sounds like he'd be at home in a game of D&D.

SuperMariano3 posted...
Wow. 1-3 years in prison for just standing/sitting in a park that is fucked up.


Yeah, never really liked the park restriction especially considering that children aren't allowed to be there unsupervised anyway and there are generally enough people that they can't get into mischief in the first place.

inTaCtfuL posted...
If it's true that you're seen as a sex offender for peeing in public (like behind a tree or something) and that you get all the punishments as someone who actually violated kids then that's a problem


Yes, there are countless problems with the sex offender registry besides this. Granted, for certain offenders, there are a lot of great provisions since child sex offenders (ie, the ones going after the really young kids) are more dangerous than normal offenders for the simple reason that kids are less able to fend off abuse so publicly identifying them and restricting them from certain areas is a good idea.
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Rika_Furude
04/22/18 1:54:53 AM
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fair, next. however, they should change what it means to be a sex offender. i.e. someone pissing in public shouldnt be classed as a sex offender
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02fran
04/24/18 2:34:07 AM
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I couldn't really care less for the rights of child molesters but the law should be consistent
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Endofall
04/28/18 4:06:13 AM
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that ain't right
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02fran
05/02/18 5:59:52 AM
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I couldn't really care less for the rights of child molesters but the law should be consistent
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