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SuperMariano3
04/19/18 3:34:48 PM
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http://www.nwherald.com/2018/04/11/judge-agrees-to-reinstate-charges-against-registered-sex-offender-for-being-in-harvard-park/a972n92/

A recent Supreme Court opinion led to reinstated felony charges against a registered sex offender accused of breaking the law by being in a public park. Artaveus Lowe of Elgin was arrested in September after police accused him of being present at Milky Way Park in Harvard, according to a criminal complaint filed in McHenry County court. He subsequently was charged with being a child sex offender in a public park a felony offense typically punishable by one to three years in prison. The charge was dismissed, however, based on a February 2017 Illinois Appellate Court opinion in a separate case that found the charge unconstitutional. According to the appellate court, that portion of the law violated a persons rights because it punished innocent behavior and limited the rights of someone who has paid the penalty for his crime ...

Lowe previously has served a 10-year prison sentence for a Kane County conviction of aggravated criminal sexual abuse of a child from 1994. McHenry County Judge James Cowlin cited the appellate court decision as his basis for dismissing Lowes case in January. The Illinois Supreme Court, however, overruled that decision April 5, and McHenry County Assistant States Attorney Kyle Bruett filed a motion the next day asking Cowlin to reinstate the charges. The judge issued a warrant for Lowes arrest Wednesday morning. Lowe, who was convicted in Will County for the same charge, was at the park on one of the final days of the Harvard Balloon Fest, charging documents show. He was not accused of doing anything illegal at the park, aside from simply being there. The portion of the law Lowe is accused of breaking defines a public park as a park, forest preserve, bikeway, trail or conservation area. In Illinois, a registered sex offender against children can be charged for standing or sitting idly in any of those areas.


Wow. 1-3 years in prison for just standing/sitting in a park that is fucked up.
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Bishop9800
04/19/18 3:35:13 PM
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Good
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OwlRammer
04/19/18 3:36:46 PM
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bad law, this is just moving them from standing idle in the open areas where you can see what they are doing to having them stand in alleys where it's harder to keep track of them
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southcoast09
04/19/18 3:37:51 PM
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Keep them out of the parks. We deserve better than to have those people in our parks where kids play.
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SageHarpuia
04/19/18 3:38:13 PM
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Imagine thinking convicted sexual predators should be allowed anywhere near a place where children frequent.
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BlueTigerLion
04/19/18 3:59:19 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Keep them out of the parks. We deserve better than to have those people in our parks where kids play.


This along with supermarkets and libraries too. They aren't allowed there in my state.
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WSM Piru
04/19/18 4:00:54 PM
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I see nothing wrong with this tbh.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
04/19/18 4:01:23 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
As long as they are exempt from paying taxes for parks, I'm fine with this.

Nah you shouldn't get a discount for diddling kids.
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halomonkey1_3_5
04/19/18 4:05:37 PM
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why even let them out of jail at this point
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Shuto-uke
04/19/18 4:14:12 PM
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Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again
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SageHarpuia
04/19/18 4:16:17 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Yes.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:17:21 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.
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Funkydog
04/19/18 4:18:50 PM
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SuperMariano3 posted...
In Illinois, a registered sex offender against children can be charged for standing or sitting idly in any of those areas.

So as long as you are moving it is okay? >.>
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Shuto-uke
04/19/18 4:22:38 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.


I don't disagree.

How is somebody who murders little kids any different? A serial killer who preys on say, bruenette women named Clarisse? A baby kicker?
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SageHarpuia
04/19/18 4:24:45 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.


I don't disagree.

How is somebody who murders little kids any different? A serial killer who preys on say, bruenette women named Clarisse? A baby kicker?

Serial killers either get life in prison or the death penalty and therefore don't need public restrictions.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:25:22 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.


I don't disagree.

How is somebody who murders little kids any different? A serial killer who preys on say, bruenette women named Clarisse? A baby kicker?

None of those people would ever be released from prison so I am not sure what your point is. I am perfectly fine with pedophiles never being released from prison as well.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/19/18 4:27:46 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.


Serial killers aren't predators? Animal abusers aren't predators? People who torture aren't predators? Other violent serial offenders aren't predators?
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Zanzenburger
04/19/18 4:27:49 PM
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The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.
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WorkingclassBro
04/19/18 4:28:41 PM
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Public urination counts as sex offense.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:29:21 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.
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Aristoph
04/19/18 4:33:11 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:40:03 PM
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Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.
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Shuto-uke
04/19/18 4:45:07 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.
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inTaCtfuL
04/19/18 4:45:45 PM
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Well tbh they do have a point

If it's true that you're seen as a sex offender for peeing in public (like behind a tree or something) and that you get all the punishments as someone who actually violated kids then that's a problem

But please tell me that isn't the case, no way you can be seen as a pedo for peeing in public. That's pretty excessive
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:46:03 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

thelovefist posted...
Oh look this bullshit argument again.

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Tyranthraxus
04/19/18 4:48:14 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
why even let them out of jail at this point

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eggcorn
04/19/18 4:51:40 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Good

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Youngster_Joey_
04/19/18 4:52:01 PM
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:52:06 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
why even let them out of jail at this point

I would be ok with lifetime prison terms for pedophiles.
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DKFjalfe
04/19/18 4:53:14 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

This
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Questionmarktarius
04/19/18 4:53:35 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.

So are muggers, really.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:54:36 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

Because they are. The whole "I peed in a park and got put on the sex offender list!" is a red herring used by people who consistently are apologists for pedophiles.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:55:06 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
thelovefist posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Why are sex offenders treated differently?

Don't get me wrong, they're total scum but, it's not like murderers, serial killers, animal abusers, people who commit torture, violent assault, etc are better people or less likely to break the law again

Because they're predators by nature and putting them near children is a bad idea.

So are muggers, really.

Shut the fuck up
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voldothegr8
04/19/18 4:55:06 PM
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SuperMariano3 posted...
Wow. 1-3 years in prison for just standing/sitting in a park that is fucked up.

Not nearly as fucked up as the crimes they committed
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Unsugarized_Foo
04/19/18 4:56:10 PM
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DKFjalfe posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

This

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inTaCtfuL
04/19/18 4:56:45 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

I'm not gonna lie, I'm guilty of assuming sex offenders as being pedos most of the time. Actually I wonder what percentage of sex offenders are pedos/kid diddlers tbh
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thelovefist
04/19/18 4:57:20 PM
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inTaCtfuL posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
So wait is this about pedophiles or just sex offenders? Why does everbody think sex offender = kid diddler?

I'm not gonna lie, I'm guilty of assuming sex offenders as being pedos most of the time. Actually I wonder what percentage of sex offenders are pedos/kid diddlers tbh

A significant majority
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Tropicalwood
04/19/18 4:58:26 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Realistically there shouldn't be a sex offender registry because it's a blatant violation of the eighth amendment.
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Orthopox12
04/19/18 5:01:05 PM
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Where I grew up sex offenders where required to introduce themselves to all their neighbors and tell them what they did whenever they moved into a new area.
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Questionmarktarius
04/19/18 5:01:27 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Realistically there shouldn't be a sex offender registry because it's a blatant violation of the eighth amendment.

It's just much easier to slap on a scarlet letter than it is to implement longer initial sentences, especially so with the prisons stuffed full of drug offenders.
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Makeveli_lives
04/19/18 5:06:06 PM
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inTaCtfuL posted...
But please tell me that isn't the case, no way you can be seen as a pedo for peeing in public. That's pretty excessive

If you piss in an alley because you couldn't find a bathroom, all it takes is some kid to look out his window and tell mom he saw your dick.
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Tropicalwood
04/19/18 5:07:26 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
Or do you just think sex offenders should be punished in every way imaginable in all aspects of their life?

Realistically there shouldn't be a sex offender registry because it's a blatant violation of the eighth amendment.

It's just much easier to slap on a scarlet letter than it is to implement longer initial sentences, especially so with the prisons stuffed full of drug offenders.

That doesn't change that it's cruel and unusual punishment.
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FreedomEtrtment
04/19/18 5:11:00 PM
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https://qz.com/869499/new-evidence-says-us-sex-offender-policies-dont-work-and-are-are-actually-causing-more-crime/

Interesting to see that only a very small minority of developed countries have public sex offender registry.
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thelovefist
04/19/18 5:11:41 PM
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Th3Truth posted...
thelovefist posted...
Aristoph posted...
thelovefist posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
The issue with this is that the bar for getting put on the sex offenders registry list is pretty low. People can get on that list for peeing outside, having consensual sex in a car, etc. They really need to tighten the leash on who gets on that list if they are making the restrictions more severe.

Oh look this bullshit argument again.


Oh look this complete lack of a counter-argument again.

Imagine arguing for pedophiles.


Imagine defending human right violations. Which is ultra funny since Canada also routinely lets murderers out and give much more lenient sentences overall than the US.

Pedophiles should not be considered humans the same way normal people are. They are monsters.
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