Poll of the Day > Japanese perspective of Logan Paul: They don't seem to care that much.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf5dsekDBCk

Also, hot damn @ the girl in the fur.
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We as Americans must be offended on their behalf. It is our moral duty!
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Ferarri619 posted...

Also, hot damn @ the girl in the fur.

Why are those ones never in the porns? It's always busted chicks.
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it might be cause it was a suicide. in japan I think they assume someone that killed themself must have had some shame in their life. mental illness and depression isn't recognized, so the only reason thye can think of is "he must have done something that brought shame on his family"

Street interviews are fucking meaningless and street interview videos are even worse since you can just edit out any response you don't like.
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Zikten posted...

it might be cause it was a suicide. in japan I think they assume someone that killed themself must have had some shame in their life. mental illness and depression isn't recognized, so the only reason thye can think of is "he must have done something that brought shame on his family"

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.

Its more offensive that the forest exists and no one does anything to try and help the people that go there to end there lives than some vapid video.
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joemodda posted...

We as Americans must be offended on their behalf. It is our moral duty!

You can be offended on your own behalf. The video was extremely disturbing and he just looks like a psychopath for making it
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Suicide is also more normalized in Japan then in the States.
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Smarkil posted...

Ferarri619 posted...

Also, hot damn @ the girl in the fur.

Why are those ones never in the porns? It's always busted chicks.

You're watching the wrong porn.

Zikten posted...

the only reason thye can think of is "he must have done something that brought shame on his family"

I bet you wrote that stretching out the corners of your eyes bearing your incissors.
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joemodda posted...

We as Americans must be offended on their behalf. It is our moral duty!

...I think of that time when WB execs were going to ban Speedy Gonzales because they felt he was offensive, but then Mexicans complained because they don't have a lot of characters to begin with. That situation summed up a couple of issues perfectly.
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Japanese society considers suicide to be problematic as is common in most cultures of the world, and the government has invested substantial amounts of resources to control the suicide rate. However, there is substantial "cultural sanction" for suicide, which has been "elevated to the level of an esthetic experience" through cultural and social experiences common to many Japanese.[29]

The general attitude toward suicide has been termed "tolerant", and in many occasions suicide is seen as a morally responsible action.[11] This cultural tolerance may stem from the historical function of suicide in the military. In feudal Japan, honorable suicide (seppuku) among Samurai (Japanese warrior) was considered a justified response to failure or inevitable defeat in battle. Traditionally, seppuku involved the slashing open of one's stomach with a sword. The purpose of this was to release the Samurai's spirit upon the enemy and thus avoid dishonorable execution at the hand of an enemy. Today, honor suicides are also referred to as hara-kiri.[30]

Cultural tolerance of suicide in Japan may also be explained by the concept of amae, or the need to be dependent on and accepted by others. For the Japanese, acceptance and conformity are valued above one's individuality.[31] As a result of this perspective, one's worth is associated with how one is perceived by others.[32] Ultimately, this can lead to fragile self-concept and an increased likelihood of considering dying by suicide when one feels alienated.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan#Cultural_attitude_toward_suicide
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Mead posted...

Its more offensive that the forest exists and no one does anything to try and help the people that go there to end there lives than some vapid video.

Not just that but the suicide rates in Japan are pretty high, alone with low birth rates IIRC. The japanese people need to start putting more emphasis on their personal lives and less on work. There's no point in living a life where you're just too sad or too busy to smell the roses at some point.
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Smarkil posted...

Ferarri619 posted...

Also, hot damn @ the girl in the fur.

Why are those ones never in the porns? It's always busted chicks.

Non busted girls have less reason to do porn. A lot of girls who do porn either have no options or have drug problems.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.

Zikten's comment wasn't really a race issue, more of a national issue. And, while parts of it sound really wrong, iirc mental health issues may carry a greater stigma in Japan. Also worth noting that, while by no means the highest suicide rate in the world (that "honor" supposedly belongs to Lithuania), Japan has a problematic relationship with suicide.

Mead posted...

Its more offensive that the forest exists and no one does anything to try and help the people that go there to end there lives than some vapid video.

...and your solution is what, cut down the forest? Pretty sure they can just find a new forest.
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The thing with Lithuania is that people don't suicide because of stress or depression, it's mostly because there's nothing to do over there.

Like literally, nothing to do.

Suicide by boredom.
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HagenEx posted...

The thing with Lithuania is that people don't suicide because of stress or depression, it's mostly because there's nothing to do over there.

Like literally, nothing to do.

Suicide by boredom.

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.
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Jen0125 posted...

HagenEx posted...

The thing with Lithuania is that people don't suicide because of stress or depression, it's mostly because there's nothing to do over there.

Like literally, nothing to do.

Suicide by boredom.

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.

Why? Lithuanians are not a race. And I'm not insulting anyone, I'm saying it like it is.
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oh so it's only racist to talk about brown people culture?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I bet you wrote that stretching out the corners of your eyes bearing your incissors.

Idk seems like it would he hard to type that way. Maybe he typed with his nose?

Jen0125 posted...

oh so it's only racist to talk about brown people culture?

Well, yes.

Don't blame me though, blame Trump.
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Zeus posted...

Zikten's comment wasn't really a race issue, more of a national issue. And, while parts of it sound really wrong, iirc mental health issues may carry a greater stigma in Japan. Also worth noting that, while by no means the highest suicide rate in the world (that "honor" supposedly belongs to Lithuania), Japan has a problematic relationship with suicide.

To be clear: Japan has a higher suicide rate because when police will find dead people who appear to have killed themselves, they don't actually do all that much checking to see if it's a murder case (just if it's a very simple murder). That way they can claim that they have such a low murder rate, a high murder-capture rate, and totally not piss off the Yakuza (which the deaths/suicides can likely be involved with it).
Police can be awful anywhere.

The average American doesn't even know who Logan is. Of course Japanese won't give a ****.

Many CEmen didn't know who he was until recently.

shadowsword87 posted...

To be clear: Japan has a higher suicide rate because when police will find dead people who appear to have killed themselves, they don't actually do all that much checking to see if it's a murder case (just if it's a very simple murder).

So youre saying Japan actually has a normal suicide rate and all of the extra suicides are murders?
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It shouldnt matter if theyre offended or not. Its still a shitty thing to do. Like, what dont you get about ethics?
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Sarcasthma posted...

So youre saying Japan actually has a normal suicide rate and all of the extra suicides are murders?

I'm not saying it's a direct 100% comparison, but yeah the numbers are inflated.

Same thing happens whenever Sumo wrestlers get some flack for match fixing, they're totally 100% fine don't worry about it.

shadowsword87 posted...

Zeus posted...

Zikten's comment wasn't really a race issue, more of a national issue. And, while parts of it sound really wrong, iirc mental health issues may carry a greater stigma in Japan. Also worth noting that, while by no means the highest suicide rate in the world (that "honor" supposedly belongs to Lithuania), Japan has a problematic relationship with suicide.

To be clear: Japan has a higher suicide rate because when police will find dead people who appear to have killed themselves, they don't actually do all that much checking to see if it's a murder case (just if it's a very simple murder). That way they can claim that they have such a low murder rate, a high murder-capture rate, and totally not piss off the Yakuza (which the deaths/suicides can likely be involved with it).
Police can be awful anywhere.

That in itself seems like a dreadful stereotype. What's the basis for the claim?
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PK_Spam posted...

It shouldnt matter if theyre offended or not. Its still a shitty thing to do. Like, what dont you get about ethics?

For the record, I'm personally disgusted by Logan Paul and what he did.
I guess, from my point of view about these Japanese citizens' perspective, I admire their ability to blow it off. In other cultures if a foreigner caused trouble like that and it went viral, people would be outraged and start to spread hate towards the entire country over the actions of one. The citizens in the video say they still love Americans and recognize that most of them aren't idiots like Logan Paul.
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Zeus posted...

That in itself seems like a dreadful stereotype. What's the basis for the claim?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/02/03/national/media-national/japans-suicide-statistics-dont-tell-the-real-story/#.WlVMQa6nFhE

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/09/world/fg-autopsy9

http://www.nationmaster.com/blog/?p=74

Also, this is suspect as f***, and I don't care:

Japan's annual police report says its officers made arrests in 96.6% of the country's 1,392 homicides in 2005.

(From LA Times)

shadowsword87 posted...

Sarcasthma posted...

So youre saying Japan actually has a normal suicide rate and all of the extra suicides are murders?

I'm not saying it's a direct 100% comparison, but yeah the numbers are inflated.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.
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shadowsword87 posted...

I'm not saying it's a direct 100% comparison, but yeah the numbers are inflated.

The numbers are inflated the same everywhere by your logic.

Japan's culture doesn't cultivate murderers like America does so strangely the murder rate is lower. Japan is also socially collectivist so inherently they're less willing to wrong others in their homogeneous society, meaning low crimes in general.

There's an awful lot of reasons why Japan is how it is without calling in "Yakuza and the police are the Illuminati fixing statistics".
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

I'm not saying it's a direct 100% comparison, but yeah the numbers are inflated.

The numbers are inflated the same everywhere by your logic.

Japan's culture doesn't cultivate murderers like America does so strangely the murder rate is lower. Japan is also socially collectivist so inherently they're less willing to wrong others in their homogeneous society, meaning low crimes in general.

There's an awful lot of reasons why Japan is how it is without calling in "Yakuza and the police are the Illuminati fixing statistics".

Also the police shoot magic pixies who can summon murderers to them so they can have that 96.6% arrest rate.

shadowsword87 posted...

Also, this is suspect as f***, and I don't care:
Japan's annual police report says its officers made arrests in 96.6% of the country's 1,392 homicides in 2005.
(From LA Times)

Japan typically arrests their top suspects and demands they admit to the crime regardless of whether they did it or not. It's not suspect, it's just a shitty job.
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Ferarri619 posted...

PK_Spam posted...

It shouldnt matter if theyre offended or not. Its still a shitty thing to do. Like, what dont you get about ethics?

For the record, I'm personally disgusted by Logan Paul and what he did.
I guess, from my point of view about these Japanese citizens' perspective, I admire their ability to blow it off. In other cultures if a foreigner caused trouble like that and it went viral, people would be outraged and start to spread hate towards the entire country over the actions of one. The citizens in the video say they still love Americans and recognize that most of them aren't idiots like Logan Paul.

Uh, few problems:

1) Only a handful of people were interviewed and you're only going to see the results the video-makers want to give.

2) They're more likely to be reserved about their opinions on video.

3) If it was a bigger event, the outrage would be higher. Admittedly I'm not going to watch that POS video because it's a complete waste of everybody's time, but odds are that some -- if not all -- hadn't even heard about the event.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.

??? it's an insight into their culture. my japanese teacher in college told me this

Zikten posted...

??? it's an insight into their culture. my japanese teacher in college told me this

I decided to google, and I found this:

https://www.quora.com/How-bad-is-the-mental-illness-stigma-in-Japan

"Many people with aspergers syndrome and other mental ilness think that since japan is the 'land of the weird' they would get 'social acceptance' in japan for their quirks and weirdnesses. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In america if you ask a RANDOM person he/she will tell you that schizophrenia/ psychosis/aspergers syndrome are caused by biological factors and is largerly outside of a persons influence. In japan 90% of teachers, and working professionals will assume that mentally ill people are not mad, but BAD, as in that their mental problems are caused by character flaws, errors in their personality or just 'being assholes'. (This is the label someone with aspergers is most likely to get in japan. And they'll be nice to him. Just like they're nice to every foreigner. But trust me. If you were a native japanese person they would be far less tolerant of your quirks and weirdnesses."

I have Aspergers, and the idea of "mental disorders don't exist and they just use it as an excuse" is how I've been treated here in Canada for as long as I remember. It seems like that idea is just everywhere.
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that's why I no longer wish I was Japanese like I used to when I was younger. actually going to Japan really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Japan is cool to visit and learn about and they make neat stuff. but it's a very harsh place for people who don't fit in. I probably would have been a shut in and/or killed by myself by now, if I was born in Japan

It's not even just about how Japan feels, just in general this jackass was acting like a fucking toddler.

-parading around with fish guts shoving them in people's faces, leaving them on a car when he was "bored" with them"
-Throwing shit like a plush pokeball at people
-getting up in peoples faces
-jumping on some guys bike without him even knowing
-playing around, poking a stick in a Koi pond

He even had the audacity to mention about how you have to "respect the culture".

Even if this guy was in America or any other country, he'd still be considered an immature dumbass.
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Zikten posted...

that's why I no longer wish I was Japanese like I used to when I was younger. actually going to Japan really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Japan is cool to visit and learn about and they make neat stuff. but it's a very harsh place for people who don't fit in. I probably would have been a shut in and/or killed by myself by now, if I was born in Japan

"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
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Zeus posted...

Zikten posted...

that's why I no longer wish I was Japanese like I used to when I was younger. actually going to Japan really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Japan is cool to visit and learn about and they make neat stuff. but it's a very harsh place for people who don't fit in. I probably would have been a shut in and/or killed by myself by now, if I was born in Japan

"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

This. You're only going to be an outcast if you outright refuse to conform.
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They do care though, good to hear it straight from the Japanese people's mouths.

Even if you 'enjoy' offending people, do you really want the Paul's indoctrinating millions of children who will all imitate them when they grow up?

Think about that.
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Yellow posted...

Even if you 'enjoy' offending people, do you really want the Paul's indoctrinating millions of children who will all imitate them when they grow up?

Think about that.

This is less to do with people on the internet being shits and more to do with a generation of people socialised on the internet without learning the boundary between internet and real world etiquette.
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Zikten posted...

it might be cause it was a suicide. in japan I think they assume someone that killed themself must have had some shame in their life. mental illness and depression isn't recognized, so the only reason thye can think of is "he must have done something that brought shame on his family"

Or it could be the fact that people don't care in general about somebody they didn't know.

shadowsword87 posted...

Man, that's really racist and insulting. I hope you know that.

Asian is a race, not Japanese.
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Japan doesn't seem to care much that half their population has never gotten laid, to be fair I don't really care what they think about the Logan Paul shit, it was still extremely fucked up. The most concerning part of it is that Youtube has actively continued to support him since then, only just releasing a bullshit lip service statement about it a few hours ago.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zeus posted...

Zikten posted...

that's why I no longer wish I was Japanese like I used to when I was younger. actually going to Japan really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Japan is cool to visit and learn about and they make neat stuff. but it's a very harsh place for people who don't fit in. I probably would have been a shut in and/or killed by myself by now, if I was born in Japan

"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

This. You're only going to be an outcast if you outright refuse to conform.

Looks like someone watched Tokyo Drift. Also, its the front teeth, not the inscissors, you ding dong.
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Considering this. Zeus posted...

Street interviews are fucking meaningless and street interview videos are even worse since you can just edit out any response you don't like.

I dont see how this is proof of anything.
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I have no idea what anyone is talking about, who is Logan Paul and why is he relevant? It sounds like he took a video of some committing suicide or who was going to commit suicide.
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Cacciato posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zeus posted...

Zikten posted...

that's why I no longer wish I was Japanese like I used to when I was younger. actually going to Japan really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. Japan is cool to visit and learn about and they make neat stuff. but it's a very harsh place for people who don't fit in. I probably would have been a shut in and/or killed by myself by now, if I was born in Japan

"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

This. You're only going to be an outcast if you outright refuse to conform.

Looks like someone watched Tokyo Drift. Also, its the front teeth, not the inscissors, you ding dong.

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Revelation34 posted...

Asian is a race, not Japanese.

Japanese people are racially distinct from other east-easians, same way Slavics are distinct from Celts despite both being "white".