Board 8 > NFL Discussion Topic - Week 13

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sounds like Reese also got the boot
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KingButz posted...

It's amazing that anyone would want to bench keenum after the last few weeks. He is playing very very solid quarterbacking and making almost no mistakes. As long as he continues to do that, there is almost no way for the vikings to lose a game.

Pretty much this. Vikings are playing damn good right now; Carolina plays them next Sunday and as a Panthers fan myself, I'll easily say the only way we're beating the Vikings is through divine intervention.
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It's about damn time the Giants cleaned out the trash.
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Now Eli is starting again lol. Its too late gmen!
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As an Eagles fan, I alsmost feel bad for Eli.

Almost.
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I'd almost be tempted to refuse to play if I were Eli because he lost his streak over something this stupid
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What if benching Eli was partly Mara's choice and he wanted Mcadoo to take the fall for it?
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davidponte posted...

What if benching Eli was partly Mara's choice and he wanted Mcadoo to take the fall for it?

it seems pretty obvious to me that it was 100% mara's choice

well, maybe reese was involved as well.
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Yeah, I'm not sure McAdoo could've made that decision on his own since he was essentially a lame duck coach and everyone knew it. If the higher ups didn't approve, they'd have just fired him on the spot.
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Gronk suspended 1 game.

I don't how the Patriots could possibly manage without him against the Dolphins next week.
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lol 1 game
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A suspension was fair.

Sure the DPI on the play was insanely obvious, but Gronk had no justification whatsoever to attack him like that.

That said, I think he only got suspended because the guy got hurt.

davidponte posted...

What if benching Eli was partly Mara's choice and he wanted Mcadoo to take the fall for it?

It's possible they benched Eli, hoping to trade him off to another team (avoiding injury when they're no longer in playoff contention). and possibly reuniting him with Tom Coughlin. Of course Eli has veto power in his contract, meaning he can say no to a trade. I know he's said he wants to stay in New York, but I don't think he'd say "Yeah, I'd love to go to another team. This organization sucks."
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Crescent-Moon posted...

A suspension was fair.

Sure the DPI on the play was insanely obvious, but Gronk had no justification whatsoever to attack him like that.

That said, I think he only got suspended because the guy got hurt.

well yeah

if you're going to make a big deal about concussions you have to punish a hit that concusses a guy
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I feel like Eli going to Jacksonville makes too much sense for it to actually happen.

I feel like Eli going to Jacksonville is a disaster waiting to happen, too.
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Only one game is unacceptable. Rest of season would be acceptable. Literally arrested would be deserved.

That's all I'm gonna say about that, I think.
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Has anyone stopped to address that Eli Manning is probably not a good QB?

Does Jacksonville even want him?
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Everyone assumes Coughlin would want him, but who knows. They're pretty much a decent QB away from being really, really good.
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LeonhartFour posted...

They're pretty much a decent QB away from being really, really good.

I agree. How much better is he than Bortles at this point though?
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He just has to be not terrible.

I'm not sure he is. They'd be better off going after Cousins.
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I actually do hope that someone ends Gronkowski's career.

And I would be totally fine if whatever they did also had the effect of putting him into a vegetative state for the rest of his life. What a scumbag.
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A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.
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Let's remember folks that Eli's cast this year has been terrible. No one to throw to, a porous O-line (last I heard anyway) it's like blaming Kaepernick when the entire 49ers team was awful.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I actually do hope that someone ends Gronkowski's career.

And I would be totally fine if whatever they did also had the effect of putting him into a vegetative state for the rest of his life. What a scumbag.

davidponte posted...

I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

Never mind.
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Do you guys secretly work for Belichick or something
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I actually do hope that someone ends Gronkowski's career.

And I would be totally fine if whatever they did also had the effect of putting him into a vegetative state for the rest of his life. What a scumbag.

Dude, it's the first time he's done something like this. It was the heat of the moment, dudes lose their heads sometime. See: AJ Green

He's getting punished for it, there's no need to take it that far. Why you gotta be so hateful about it.
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Emeraldegg posted...

Let's remember folks that Eli's cast this year has been terrible. No one to throw to, a porous O-line (last I heard anyway) it's like blaming Kaepernick when the entire 49ers team was awful.

No doubt that plays a factor, but at this point in his career and at his age, there aren't many starting QB's that I'd rather have Eli over, other than the obvious choices of Browns QB #49 and some of the backups currently in starting roles.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Do you guys secretly work for Belichick or something

I'm secretly in love with Belichick
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davidponte posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Let's remember folks that Eli's cast this year has been terrible. No one to throw to, a porous O-line (last I heard anyway) it's like blaming Kaepernick when the entire 49ers team was awful.

No doubt that plays a factor, but at this point in his career and at his age, there aren't many starting QB's that I'd rather have Eli over, other than the obvious choices of Browns QB #49 and some of the backups currently in starting roles.

I guess the question is then, are you taking bortles over him straight up?
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I am just baffled at the Eli trade thing. None of that makes any sense to me on any side of that coin.
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davidponte posted...

A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

dude that sounds amazing dunno what you're on
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davidponte posted...

A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

Donovan McNabb 2.0 here we come
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LeonhartFour posted...

davidponte posted...

A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

Donovan McNabb 2.0 here we come

Or Brett Favre
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Emeraldegg posted...

davidponte posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Let's remember folks that Eli's cast this year has been terrible. No one to throw to, a porous O-line (last I heard anyway) it's like blaming Kaepernick when the entire 49ers team was awful.

No doubt that plays a factor, but at this point in his career and at his age, there aren't many starting QB's that I'd rather have Eli over, other than the obvious choices of Browns QB #49 and some of the backups currently in starting roles.

I guess the question is then, are you taking bortles over him straight up?

It seems like a lateral decision more than anything at this point.

Eli probably wins you 1-2 more games than Bortles, but is it really worth it?
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Emeraldegg posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

davidponte posted...

A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

Donovan McNabb 2.0 here we come

Or Brett Favre

maybe Jets Favre
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Emeraldegg posted...

Dude, it's the first time he's done something like this. It was the heat of the moment, dudes lose their heads sometime. See: AJ Green

You're right. "I was pissed off at someone else" is a completely and totally okay reason for someone to permanently injure another guy's brain. And he's a nice guy. You can't arrest nice guys! That would be un-nice! Never mind that, were this any other context, he would be in jail right now.
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I'm too biased to continue to be a part of this conversation.
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davidponte posted...

A local sports show I'm watching just mentioned that Eli should replace Cousins on the Redskins and stick it to the Giants, and I can't figure out if I've ever heard a worse take.

Just like how McNabb replaced Campbell on the Redskins to stick it to the Eagles

Oh maybe I should continue reading the thread next time

dowolf posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Dude, it's the first time he's done something like this. It was the heat of the moment, dudes lose their heads sometime. See: AJ Green

You're right. "I was pissed off at someone else" is a completely and totally okay reason for someone to permanently injure another guy's brain. And he's a nice guy. You can't arrest nice guys! That would be un-nice! Never mind that, were this any other context, he would be in jail right now.

Way to take my words completely out of context. Nowhere did I say that he shouldn't be punished, that he was a nice guy, or that it was okay for Gronk to injure another guy's brain.

What I DID say was that those reasons are why extha was going too far in wishing for Gronk's essential death. While I still think it would be distasteful, I would at least see that there'd be more of a case for, say...James Harrison, who his whole career has been fined tons and ****ing tons of money for dangerous hits to people, and then threatened to retire when he couldn't hit people anymore. Or say...greg hardy, who is a complete scumbag in ways we all know about. Or say...ndamukong suh, who has repeatedly taken cheap dangerous shots at his opponents while they're down (in much the same fashion gronk did yesterday, yes, but the key word here is "repeatedly"). And even then, the only one I would ACTUALLY make a case for is greg hardy because the other 2 examples, those guys are just poor sports. I don't know what their personal life is like. Greg Hardy is an actual scum human being, not just athlete.

Gronk got punished, which I agree with. What Gronk did wasn't okay. We agree on this. What I was trying to do was bring attention to extha overreacting to this because, personally, I believe prior history should have an effect on how we see a person. If this had been any of those other people listed above, I'd be down for a longer punishment. Not maybe killing them still, but the point remains that more punishment goes to those more deserving of it. Not to mention that Gronk seemed to show genuine remorse for it. No I'm NOT saying that that should offset any need for a punishment, you can apologize for doing bad things in life and still deserve punishment, so I am still happy he got suspended. He earned it. But why are you trying to take half of my post and turn it into meaning something else?
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That's essentially my whole take on the argument as well.
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So how about that football game tonight?

Antonio Brown is active.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I actually do hope that someone ends Gronkowski's career.

And I would be totally fine if whatever they did also had the effect of putting him into a vegetative state for the rest of his life. What a scumbag.

You dont get to remotely pretend to have this as an honest opinion
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So it's looking like I might actually get into the playoffs. The match-up I'm depending on has the person I need to win up by 20 with Martavis Bryant, with his opponent having AJ Green and Chris Boswell.

I just need Green to not have a monster game.
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Shazier is being stretchered out after hitting an opposing player with his head awkwardly.

He immediately went down and held his lower back, and hasn't moved his legs since. Scary sight.
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Emeraldegg posted...

dowolf posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Dude, it's the first time he's done something like this. It was the heat of the moment, dudes lose their heads sometime. See: AJ Green

You're right. "I was pissed off at someone else" is a completely and totally okay reason for someone to permanently injure another guy's brain. And he's a nice guy. You can't arrest nice guys! That would be un-nice! Never mind that, were this any other context, he would be in jail right now.

Way to take my words completely out of context. Nowhere did I say that he shouldn't be punished, that he was a nice guy, or that it was okay for Gronk to injure another guy's brain.

What I DID say was that those reasons are why extha was going too far in wishing for Gronk's essential death. While I still think it would be distasteful, I would at least see that there'd be more of a case for, say...James Harrison, who his whole career has been fined tons and ****ing tons of money for dangerous hits to people, and then threatened to retire when he couldn't hit people anymore. Or say...greg hardy, who is a complete scumbag in ways we all know about. Or say...ndamukong suh, who has repeatedly taken cheap dangerous shots at his opponents while they're down (in much the same fashion gronk did yesterday, yes, but the key word here is "repeatedly"). And even then, the only one I would ACTUALLY make a case for is greg hardy because the other 2 examples, those guys are just poor sports. I don't know what their personal life is like. Greg Hardy is an actual scum human being, not just athlete.

Gronk got punished, which I agree with. What Gronk did wasn't okay. We agree on this. What I was trying to do was bring attention to extha overreacting to this because, personally, I believe prior history should have an effect on how we see a person. If this had been any of those other people listed above, I'd be down for a longer punishment. Not maybe killing them still, but the point remains that more punishment goes to those more deserving of it. Not to mention that Gronk seemed to show genuine remorse for it. No I'm NOT saying that that should offset any need for a punishment, you can apologize for doing bad things in life and still deserve punishment, so I am still happy he got suspended. He earned it. But why are you trying to take half of my post and turn it into meaning something else?

I apologize. This is a somewhat emotional topic for me, and I agree that calling for someone's death is definitely unwarranted.

But basically, the idea that something like this can be excused to any extent because of past history is simply unacceptable to me. And a meaningless one-game suspension (because, let's admit it, this is not going to stop the Patriots from rofflestomping the Fins) is a slap on the wrist. If the NFL doesn't want to be a joke, seriously and deliberately injuring someone cannot be tolerated.
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dowolf posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

dowolf posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

Dude, it's the first time he's done something like this. It was the heat of the moment, dudes lose their heads sometime. See: AJ Green

You're right. "I was pissed off at someone else" is a completely and totally okay reason for someone to permanently injure another guy's brain. And he's a nice guy. You can't arrest nice guys! That would be un-nice! Never mind that, were this any other context, he would be in jail right now.

Way to take my words completely out of context. Nowhere did I say that he shouldn't be punished, that he was a nice guy, or that it was okay for Gronk to injure another guy's brain.

What I DID say was that those reasons are why extha was going too far in wishing for Gronk's essential death. While I still think it would be distasteful, I would at least see that there'd be more of a case for, say...James Harrison, who his whole career has been fined tons and ****ing tons of money for dangerous hits to people, and then threatened to retire when he couldn't hit people anymore. Or say...greg hardy, who is a complete scumbag in ways we all know about. Or say...ndamukong suh, who has repeatedly taken cheap dangerous shots at his opponents while they're down (in much the same fashion gronk did yesterday, yes, but the key word here is "repeatedly"). And even then, the only one I would ACTUALLY make a case for is greg hardy because the other 2 examples, those guys are just poor sports. I don't know what their personal life is like. Greg Hardy is an actual scum human being, not just athlete.

Gronk got punished, which I agree with. What Gronk did wasn't okay. We agree on this. What I was trying to do was bring attention to extha overreacting to this because, personally, I believe prior history should have an effect on how we see a person. If this had been any of those other people listed above, I'd be down for a longer punishment. Not maybe killing them still, but the point remains that more punishment goes to those more deserving of it. Not to mention that Gronk seemed to show genuine remorse for it. No I'm NOT saying that that should offset any need for a punishment, you can apologize for doing bad things in life and still deserve punishment, so I am still happy he got suspended. He earned it. But why are you trying to take half of my post and turn it into meaning something else?

I apologize. This is a somewhat emotional topic for me, and I agree that calling for someone's death is definitely unwarranted.

But basically, the idea that something like this can be excused to any extent because of past history is simply unacceptable to me. And a meaningless one-game suspension (because, let's admit it, this is not going to stop the Patriots from rofflestomping the Fins) is a slap on the wrist. If the NFL doesn't want to be a joke, seriously and deliberately injuring someone cannot be tolerated.

Apology accepted. I'm not really sure what constitutes a fair suspension anymore tbh, like you do make a good point that the one game against the dolphins means far less than it would, say, the week after, which I believe is against pittsburgh? But then you get into all sorts of grey area where "x action = y games unless those games are against bad teams then it = z games", and with the NFL already flubbing stuff like Ray Rice and Greg Hardy, I don't trust them 1 second in that kind of situation. I would definitely like to see them crack down harder on that kind of stuff across the board though.
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neonreaper posted...

You dont get to remotely pretend to have this as an honest opinion

Nah, he's a piece of trash, dude.

If they didn't have on uniforms and helmets what he did would've earned him jail time. It was worse than a sucker punch and his apology was worthless and insincere. Blaming the officials, fuck outta here.

Can't wait til he gets what is coming to him.
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Time to see if the Bengals blow this.
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The longer we go without an update on Shazier the more concerned I become. Really hope he's ok.