Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 139: The Price for Tickets is $400,000

(+) Yeah! (+)

Plus Lasa, North Korea is itself an example of nationalism taken to its logical extreme.
---

tbh, I don't think it's internally consistent to have pride in the U.S., a nation of immigrants, and not want to welcome with open arms people who want to be a part of it.

While the alt-right nationalists are xenophobic and anti-immigrant, I don't think it's correct to consider that a logical consequence, especially for the U.S.
---

Who was it that was reading What Happened? Just curious since the person was liking it at the beginning of the read...didn't know if there were thoughts to share now that it's been awhile.
---

I saw this on the Politics board, but Scalise (GOP Rep. who was shot) is set to speak at an event sponsored by Value Voters, an anti-LGBT group.

Fun fact, his life was saved by a lesbian officer.
---

HaRRicH posted...

Who was it that was reading What Happened? Just curious since the person was liking it at the beginning of the read...didn't know if there were thoughts to share now that it's been awhile.

It was me

I'm about halfway through it. The chapter on sexism is definitely worth reading; Hillary obviously has a unique perspective being the woman who has come the closest to the most powerful job in the world, but much of what she writes about is pretty universal.

Right now I'm reading the chapters about being pragmatic vs visionary which I also think is super interesting. This is the only part so far where she talks that much about Bernie (and you've probably seen most of those quotes since they were the ones that made the headlines). Obviously I agree more with her on prioritizing pragmatism, but she's actually surprisingly conciliatory to the idea that she went too far to that side.
---

Corrik, how far does that go?

What about 10 American lives vs 1 million Chinese lives?
---

https://twitter.com/krangtnelson/status/916426658617454592

The only thing as consistent as Trump Criticizes Trump tweets is Baked Alaska owning himself
---

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, how far does that go?

What about 10 American lives vs 1 million Chinese lives?

What is the circumstances?
---

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/916635236238274561

More and more people are suggesting that Republicans (and me) should be given Equal Time on T.V. when you look at the one-sided coverage?

RIP First Amendment

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/916750042014404608
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/916751271960436737

Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid......
...hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, makings fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work!

RIP human race
---

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, how far does that go?

What about 10 American lives vs 1 million Chinese lives?

What is the circumstances?

The fact that there is a circumstance is enough for me to hear
---

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, how far does that go?

What about 10 American lives vs 1 million Chinese lives?

What is the circumstances?

The fact that there is a circumstance is enough for me to hear

Okee dokee. Yes. American citizens lives are what our government is designed to protect and comes before all else.
---

Jakyl25 posted...

RIP First Amendment

My first thought was the Fairness Doctrine, actually.

Jakyl25 posted...

RIP human race

Honestly there's just no good way to read that one. I think he thinks that by acting like that he's creating leverage for negotiations but that isn't comforting either.
---

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/916750042014404608
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/916751271960436737

Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid......
...hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, makings fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work!

RIP human race

I think it's time to bring this one back


---

xp1337 posted...

My first thought was the Fairness Doctrine, actually.

I agree with the Fairness Doctrine for publicly funded media such as PBS or NPR

To impose it on privately owned Networks is absurd
---

Jakyl25 posted...

The only thing as consistent as Trump Criticizes Trump tweets

speaking of

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/257143158276759552
---

Trump doesn't get to decide how the First Amendment is applied.
---

red sox 777 posted...

Trump doesn't get to decide how the First Amendment is applied.

Try telling that to his devotees.
---

WIP summary of Trump's relationship with Russia

https://www.scribd.com/document/360428007/The-Russian-White-Paper
---

red sox 777 posted...

Trump doesn't get to decide how the First Amendment is applied.

As the leader of the executive branch, he kinda does, until courts overrule him
---

https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/916779578974179329

Also jesus fucking christ at those North Korea tweets

Has twitter taken a firm stance on whether declarations of war are an acceptable use of their platform yet?
---

Has twitter taken a firm stance


---

The Mana Sword posted...

Has twitter taken a firm stance

Fun fact: I couldn't tell what the fuck that was supposed to be until I zoomed in.

Without zooming in, that looks like a fish.

Why is that so badly designed???
---

yeah I can't tell what a lot of the emojis are without zooming in to like 200%

they are just colored blobs
---

FFDragon posted...

yeah I can't tell what a lot of the emojis are without zooming in to like 200%

they are just colored blobs

The people who designed these things probably could've stood to attend at least one Graphic Design class.

A distinguishable silhouette (or at least easily recognizable shapes) is like... one of the most basic necessities.
---

My browser doesn't even display that one
---

Is that drunk Pac-Man?
---

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/916813883863683072

Some "very fine people" are back in Charlottesville
---

LordoftheMorons posted...

HaRRicH posted...

Who was it that was reading What Happened? Just curious since the person was liking it at the beginning of the read...didn't know if there were thoughts to share now that it's been awhile.

It was me

I'm about halfway through it. The chapter on sexism is definitely worth reading; Hillary obviously has a unique perspective being the woman who has come the closest to the most powerful job in the world, but much of what she writes about is pretty universal.

Right now I'm reading the chapters about being pragmatic vs visionary which I also think is super interesting. This is the only part so far where she talks that much about Bernie (and you've probably seen most of those quotes since they were the ones that made the headlines). Obviously I agree more with her on prioritizing pragmatism, but she's actually surprisingly conciliatory to the idea that she went too far to that side.

Whoops, I missed this post.

So basically, the whole "Hillary refused to take responsibility for her actions!" was mostly a lot of hysteria over nothing and I fell for it when it happened, then.
---

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely true that she talks about a lot of other reasons for her loss that were not her fault, but they're all pretty valid (538 had a good politics chat where they went through every one of them, and I think all but maybe one they concluded was more significant than the standard criticism of "not campaigning in Wisconsin). But she also does talk a lot about the mistakes she made. I think she still believes that most of those decisions (besides fuckups like the emails) were the right thing to do in her ideal world (where people are making their decisions on the merits of the argument instead of voting for Donald fucking Trump), but she acknowledges that they might not have been the right moves to get elected.
---

LordoftheMorons posted...

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely true that she talks about a lot of other reasons for her loss that were not her fault, but they're all pretty valid (538 had a good politics chat where they went through every one of them, and I think all but maybe one they concluded was more significant than the standard criticism of "not campaigning in Wisconsin). But she also does talk a lot about the mistakes she made. I think she still believes that most of those decisions (besides fuckups like the emails) were the right thing to do in her ideal world (where people are making their decisions on the merits of the argument instead of voting for Donald fucking Trump), but she acknowledges that they might not have been the right moves to get elected.

That's very mature of her.

Just a pity that Hillary opening her mouth for even a split second is enough for conservatives and scapegoating liberals to paint her as a hysterical idiot
---

As a specific example (and I'm not sure I agree this would have worked), she apparently had done some serious research into a potential universal basic income funded by use of public goods (modeled off a program they apparently have in Alaska where each citizen is given a check every year for their share of the state's oil money). I forget the specific funding sources she was gonna use (one thought was a carbon tax I think), but she and her team decided that the numbers didn't really work and she scrapped it. In the book she wonders if proposing big ideas like that and working out the details later might have been a better strategy.

My personal opinion is that being visionary is probably more effective for getting elected, but worse for actually governing (see, for example, all of the failed repeal and replace efforts where the Republicans ran on the slogan for seven years without any serious plan). One thing that Hillary points out in the book that I agree with is that if politicians continually promise big things and then fail to deliver it will make people more cynical about the entire system. Of course, you can be successful in doing big things (FDR, LBJ), but it's a risk.
---

Thanks for sharing, appreciate the insight.

You remind me of a Young Turks quote I heard about Obama: he ran like Bernie and governed like Hillary. I don't know that can always work, but it makes some sense in the way that he prevented the party from fracturing in the same way we see today.
---

Yeah, I think that's accurate. I get the impression though that Obama really did intend to be more visionary (I need a better word here since it's not really the opposite of being pragmatic), but then adjusted when confronted with the practical and political realities of the job. If you did really believe in pragmatism from the get go but pretended not to for the campaign I don't know if it would work that well.
---

Oh yeah, another terrible thing that happened this week that I don't think we've talked about is that Trump's HHS made it so that employers could again refuse to provide birth control coverage in their health insurance is they have a religious or moral exemption. They also made this take effect immediately (which, as I understand it, is likely unlawful; normally they would need a comment period and stuff, but there's an exception if there's a good reason that immediate action is required. Obviously that's not the case here.)
---

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/916839600244609030

Trump on how hurricanes can be good
---

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/916843903659249665

The Middle East is "much less of a mess" because of Trump, Trump says.

LOL
---

How does one man manage to have his head so far up his own rectum?
---

By having a legitimate, unchecked mental disorder
---

LordoftheMorons posted...

I get the impression though that Obama really did intend to be more visionary (I need a better word here since it's not really the opposite of being pragmatic), but then adjusted when confronted with the practical and political realities of the job.

He probably had to adjust more than he hoped once confronted with the sad reality that a non-negligible part of the country hated his guts because of his name and skin color (and that a ton of Republicans were all too keen to stoke the fires of that bigotry).
---

LordoftheMorons posted...

Oh yeah, another terrible thing that happened this week that I don't think we've talked about is that Trump's HHS made it so that employers could again refuse to provide birth control coverage in their health insurance is they have a religious or moral exemption. They also made this take effect immediately (which, as I understand it, is likely unlawful; normally they would need a comment period and stuff, but there's an exception if there's a good reason that immediate action is required. Obviously that's not the case here.)

It all boils down to conservatives wanting corporations to have more rights than citizens. As a corporation, you can force your religious beliefs on your employees (Birth Control Coverage). You can force them to be patriotic (NFL controversy). And you can pay them as little as you like (wanting to do away with the minimum wage) But as a citizen.. well you don't have any rights except to own a gun. Nobody's infringing on that in the tiniest little bit or everything goes to hell in a handbasket.
---

I don't think saving corporations money is the main motivator there. It's all about pandering to the subset of religious conservatives whose primary concern is controlling other peoples' bodies.
---

I hope they kill the Trump Tax Plan unless they figure out a way to fix the child issue regarding it.
---

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/916839600244609030

Trump on how hurricanes can be good

He's a fucking psychopath.
---

That thread is full of absolutely scandalous statements. Jesus
---

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/916877709925429248

Predicting the left won't even bother trying to hide the double standard on this one.

What double standard? The conservatives on the Supreme Court said that sort of shitty, discriminatory treatment is legal, so quit whining about it, snowflake.
---

Unless you mean the double standard of this sort of thing being a big deal when it's CHRISTIANS under attack. Then yes, I do see the double standard that perpetual victims like you are showing full-force.
---

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/916839600244609030

Trump on how hurricanes can be good

jesus fuck he really just makes everything about himself

"yeah their lives are devastated, sure sure, but I got to throw them some paper towels at them and demand they appreciate me for it!"
---

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html

In California, having sex with someone without disclosing you have HIV is now a misdemeanor instead of a felony. Secretly exposing someone to a disease that will cost between hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to them, their insurance companies, and the government over the course of their lifetime is a misdemeanor now. That's good.
---

https://goo.gl/rReECN

2. He took credit for inventing the word fake

Trump, as so often, called the media fake. And then he, it seemed, took credit for coining the word fake.

I think one of the greatest of all terms Ive come up with is fake. I guess other people have used it, perhaps, over the years, but Ive never noticed it, he said.

Trump would not have even been correct if he meant to refer specifically to the phrase fake news.

---