Board 8 > Nintendo's kinda dropping bombs at its investor briefing

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GANON1025
04/27/12 11:02:00 AM
#151:


Einstein didn't even say that why are you people responding to those posts

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swirIdude
04/27/12 11:03:00 AM
#152:


I prefer shin ramza over Ulti. That was a troll that got my blood boiling.

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Icon Tang
04/27/12 11:04:00 AM
#153:


I would like to hear every standard the Wii failed to pass, without you resorting to conjecture, and I would also like you to phrase your answer in the context of reality. You know, the one where the Wii gave Nintendo a tremendous amount of money, while the 3DS, the savior, is sold for a loss

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StifledSilence
04/27/12 11:06:00 AM
#154:


He's probably basing this on the fact he didn't like Brawl. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Icon Tang
04/27/12 11:09:00 AM
#155:


he also doesn't like moving his wrist

a valid personal complaint but not something you can extrapolate and call their entire business model a complete failure

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neonreaper
04/27/12 11:24:00 AM
#156:


transcience posted...
see, I think Nintendo is setting the thing up as being a hardcore device because that's who they're talking to. casuals aren't listening to this buzz. they need to appeal to the people who see Wii as an underpowered toy. they need to tell people that it's got something decent inside of it and that it's not cheap.

they position it as a real device and then drop a low-ish price after e3 so that the price isn't the focus. if you hear that a console is priced low, you carry certain expectations with that price. I think Nintendo is trying to avoid that cheap stigma.


Yeah, this E3 needs to be about the games, the online, and selling the tablet to hardcore gamers. I don't think the price will be that low, though - how low are you thinking?

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foolm0ron
04/27/12 11:26:00 AM
#157:


From: transcience | #139
see, I think Nintendo is setting the thing up as being a hardcore device because that's who they're talking to.


Remember E3 2009?

Or whatever the one was where they revealed the vitality sensor

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KingButz
04/27/12 11:33:00 AM
#158:


2010 I think that was

EDIT: No, it was 2009. My bad

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GuessMyUserName
04/27/12 11:34:00 AM
#159:


2009 had NSMBW, Wii Fit Plus, Golden Sun, Spirit Tracks, Bowser's Inside Story, Vitality Sensor, Metroid, and SMG2

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neonreaper
04/27/12 11:36:00 AM
#160:


yoshi! nintendo wins again can I get an octo ya

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-LusterSoldier-
04/27/12 11:46:00 AM
#161:


GuessMyUserName | Posted 4/27/2012 9:43:01 AM | message detail | quote
yeah one thing about full digital is how bigger games are getting

And with the current thing in Canada about ISPs wanting to make our internet worse (worse bandwidth caps, possibly pay for your internet per gigs used)... yikes


These monthly bandwidth caps are terrible and do nothing but punish people who don't use the internet for illegal downloading. Anyone could easily download stuff illegally and not reach their monthly bandwidth cap as long as they go overboard with downloading stuff.

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PartOfYourWorld
04/27/12 12:19:00 PM
#162:


I wouldn't be shocked if it launched at more than $400. I jumped the gun with my 400 MINIMUM comment earlier, but I think $500 (for the premium SKU if multiple are offered) is more likely than $300. I'm looking at how much more expensive this generation of machines has been and betting that the tide won't really be reversed next gen. The PS2 and Xbox both dropped to $150 a couple years after launch. The GameCube dropped to like $90 near the end of its life. We're simply not seeing such prices this time: the cheapest console is $150; the more premium ones go for $250 and still have big Move/Kinect bundles for like $400.

I'm sure each manufacturer is still worried after the PS3 struggled at $600, but I also wonder how much wiggle room they really have in the price department. The machines are going to be stronger, and each one will probably be packing an experimental gimmick. I doubt any of them dip below $400 unless bare-bones SKUs are offered.
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KingButz
04/27/12 12:29:00 PM
#164:


I wouldn't be surprised if there were 2 SKUs for Wii U. Probably a $300 SKU with the 8GB flash memory and then a $350 or $400 SKU with 250GB or more

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VincentLauw
04/27/12 12:31:00 PM
#165:


Icon Tang posted...
without you resorting to conjecture

Ulti can't read confirmed

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neonreaper
04/27/12 12:33:00 PM
#166:


I'd be surprised to see Microsoft over 400. 450 tops and that would include whatever Kinect/tablet stuff they want to push.

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Kinglicious
04/27/12 12:36:00 PM
#167:


I'll be in the camp of wii u will initially be weaker than the wii in sales but still solid. By the end of its life, it will surpass the wii. Legs will be on it. E3 will show if my predix makes sense with actual knowledge.

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neonreaper
04/27/12 12:39:00 PM
#168:


Kinglicious posted...
I'll be in the camp of wii u will initially be weaker than the wii in sales but still solid. By the end of its life, it will surpass the wii. Legs will be on it. E3 will show if my predix makes sense with actual knowledge.

It's not really meant to get with the casual crowd, so you think it's gonna be the heavy hitter of the hardcores?

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red sox 777
04/27/12 12:42:00 PM
#169:


Nah, the market will just be bigger than last generation. Wii U can surpass Wii even with a lower market share.

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ZFS
04/27/12 12:46:00 PM
#170:


A $400 machine take away one of Nintendo's advantages this gen. The likelihood of Sony or Microsoft going higher than that is low, not to mention that the PS3 and 360 will likely drop to the $200 range this year.

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red sox 777
04/27/12 12:47:00 PM
#171:


I feel Nintendo can't go over $400 without alienating the casuals. Maybe a $350 launch.

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neonreaper
04/27/12 12:49:00 PM
#172:


red sox 777 posted...
I feel Nintendo can't go over $400 without alienating the casuals. Maybe a $350 launch.

they aren't going for casuals with the Wii U at launch.

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ZFS
04/27/12 12:53:00 PM
#173:


$350 is what I expect.

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transcience
04/27/12 1:10:00 PM
#174:


I could see it being 299/399 for a souled up version with a big hard drive, but I'm expecting 299 for the cheapest sku. maybe 349 if it gets a Mario pack-in, but I can't see it going too much higher than that.

one of the big lessons everyone took away from this gen is that high priced hardware is a killer. I don't think Sony launches above 500 ever again, for example.

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red sox 777
04/27/12 1:13:00 PM
#175:


Nintendo can't just abandon the casuals (er....more properly non-gamers, not casuals) either; they made up too big a share of Wii sales.

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transcience
04/27/12 1:14:00 PM
#176:


also, casuals are more than willing to spend big money if they perceive the product as worth it. when the Wii was hot, it would have easily sold at $350 or $400. iPads go for 5-700 and they sell like crazy. it's when the price doesn't match the perceived value you get out of the system that there's a problem. Sony knows all about that.

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JDTAY
04/27/12 1:14:00 PM
#177:


I expect $300. It's Nintendo, you honestly think they're going to jump from $250 to $400 in one generation, when it took them four generations to make the leap from $200 to $250?

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ZFS
04/27/12 1:20:00 PM
#178:


I think $400 is the upper limit for all consoles next-gen. I know that will be the range Sony aims for with the PS4, and Microsoft is likely to fall in the same area as well. It's probably to Nintendo's benefit to come in around a hundred under that, but who knows how much that tablet is driving up the price. I don't think they'll want to sell the WiiU at a loss.

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Jeff Zero
04/27/12 1:20:00 PM
#179:


Sony: 399/449
Microsoft: 349/399
Nintendo: 299/349

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GuessMyUserName
04/27/12 1:20:00 PM
#180:


U 350
Nextbox 400
PS4 no idea

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voltch
04/27/12 1:29:00 PM
#181:


Microsoft gets arrogant after winning this gen and prices it at 699.

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JaKyL25
04/27/12 1:30:00 PM
#182:


From: voltch | #181
Microsoft gets arrogant after winning this gen and prices it at 699.


Microsoft $720

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red sox 777
04/27/12 1:32:00 PM
#183:


We need $120 games to match that $720 console price.

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transcience
04/27/12 1:33:00 PM
#184:


Microsoft should probably come out the highest since they'll build Kinect into the next system. though who knows what Sony will do. they usually have a kitchen sink approach to designing hardware so this thing could have anything and everything tacked on.

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voltch
04/27/12 1:34:00 PM
#185:


maybe its cos we have such a high VAT over here but even 600 doesn't feel too high once you convert it into pounds.

But hey the next console will obviously come in with state of the art tech making if fireproof, waterproof and bombproof.

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StifledSilence
04/27/12 1:36:00 PM
#186:


PS4 will be a "reasonable investment" of nine hundred and ninety nine US dollars.

Nextbox will be $500.

Wii U will be $350.

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red sox 777
04/27/12 1:37:00 PM
#187:


$1000 is pushing too far, I think. Maybe for the PS5, if we get another few rounds of QE before then.

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ZFS
04/27/12 1:37:00 PM
#188:


Sony's strategy with the PS4's hardware will be similar to Vita, most likely. Make it very easy to develop for with existing tech for a small loss. No crazy CELL processors or new drives like with the PS3.

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swordz9
04/27/12 1:39:00 PM
#189:


Nintendo - $300-$350
Microsoft - $400-$450
Sony - $450-$500

That's what I'm expecting.

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voltch
04/27/12 1:39:00 PM
#190:


That's what they want you to think.

Until they chuck their entire load on building a 20 year console.

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PartOfYourWorld
04/27/12 2:11:00 PM
#191:


Man, it'll be challenging for Nintendo to aim for the hardcore right off the bat. I think repairing their reputation with us geeks can certainly be done and done quickly (most longtime gamers reaaaaaally love Nintendo), but it rests on two key factors:

1. Solid online right out the gate. Anything resembling a "friend code" means they ****ed this up. We'll need accounts that can be logged into anywhere; tethering gamers to one machine is unacceptable. An easily accessible chat/messaging system will be expected. I'm hoping for an accomplishment system like Achievements/Trophies - that would be amazing, but I'm not getting my hopes up (too much).

2. REAL third party support right out the gate. This means more than a couple Ubi-Soft games and Arkham City a year late. The big stuff that hits PS3/360 has to hit WiiU. Nintendo won't convince anyone that they're focusing on core gamers if Resident Evil 6 and the latest CoD aren't there at the launch window.
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ZFS
04/27/12 2:14:00 PM
#192:


CoD will probably be there, but Capcom already said they don't have plans for a WiiU version of the game. Other devs like Kojima Productions and Crystal Dynamics have said they aren't porting their PS360 projects either. It'll be interesting to see what Nintendo has in the third-party area. They'll need more than ports.

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PartOfYourWorld
04/27/12 2:19:00 PM
#193:


It's a bad sign if Capcom won't port to your syztem.
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Kotetsu534
04/27/12 2:22:00 PM
#194:


The third party exclusive seems to be dying out anyway.

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foolm0ron
04/27/12 2:24:00 PM
#195:


From: ZFS | #188
Sony's strategy with the PS4's hardware will be similar to Vita, most likely. Make it very easy to develop for with existing tech for a small loss. No crazy CELL processors or new drives like with the PS3.


Likely. They can easily reuse Bluray.

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voltch
04/27/12 3:32:00 PM
#196:


Ya know, if the most expensive console's release price is under the 52" TV i bought myself, I'll be happy since the price can only go down from there!

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-LusterSoldier-
04/27/12 3:37:00 PM
#197:


swordz9 | Posted 4/27/2012 4:39:33 PM | message detail | quote
Nintendo - $300-$350
Microsoft - $400-$450
Sony - $450-$500

That's what I'm expecting.


Sounds about right. Sony's next console will be the most expensive in the next generation. I don't think Sony will go above $500 for their next console, after the horror story of starting the PS3 at $599.

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Ngamer64
04/27/12 4:19:00 PM
#198:


Looks like my launch day price point was right on the money! Hope KoolAID switches back to that sig soon.

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