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foolm0ron 03/26/12 4:37:00 PM #251:	From: LOLContests \| #249 If there was a government system in its place, the members would at least be known and accountable to the public -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883453] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: LOLContests \| #249If there was a government system in its place, the members would at least be known and accountable to the public -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 4:38:00 PM #252:	Yeah, you don't go to jail if you sneak into an R-rated movie when you're 15 -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883454] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, you don't go to jail if you sneak into an R-rated movie when you're 15 -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 5:06:00 PM #253:	Except the MPAA ratings are non-binding and fully voluntary. A government censorship panel would be literal censorship, whereas the MPAA is a voluntary association. The MPAA ratings are censorship, just of a de facto kind. Sure they might be theoretically different, but in terms of real world effects it definitely results in censorship. It might be technically voluntary, but there's plenty of theaters/chains that won't screen anything that doesn't have an MPAA rating. If there was a government system in its place, the members would at least be known and accountable to the public No one even knows who any of the people on the MPAA ratings board are except for its head. If it was a government board, the people would all be known, and would be accountable to the public, if only to a minor degree. It's hard not to be more accountable than if you're invisible. Yeah, you don't go to jail if you sneak into an R-rated movie when you're 15 Nor do I think you should if a movie was rated R by the government. The ratings would just be that: ratings. Not proscriptions. I'm not proposing that movies get banned like they are in other countries. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883455] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Except the MPAA ratings are non-binding and fully voluntary. A government censorship panel would be literal censorship, whereas the MPAA is a voluntary association.The MPAA ratings are censorship, just of a de facto kind. Sure they might be theoretically different, but in terms of real world effects it definitely results in censorship. It might be technically voluntary, but there's plenty of theaters/chains that won't screen anything that doesn't have an MPAA rating. If there was a government system in its place, the members would at least be known and accountable to the publicNo one even knows who any of the people on the MPAA ratings board are except for its head. If it was a government board, the people would all be known, and would be accountable to the public, if only to a minor degree. It's hard not to be more accountable than if you're invisible.Yeah, you don't go to jail if you sneak into an R-rated movie when you're 15Nor do I think you should if a movie was rated R by the government. The ratings would just be that: ratings. Not proscriptions. I'm not proposing that movies get banned like they are in other countries. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/26/12 5:09:00 PM #254:	The MPAA ratings are censorship, just of a de facto kind. Sure they might be theoretically different, but in terms of real world effects it definitely results in censorship. It might be technically voluntary, but there's plenty of theaters/chains that won't screen anything that doesn't have an MPAA rating. You couldn't be more wrong. Censorship requires the use of force, and government claims a monopoly on the use of force. The fact that many theaters CHOOSE to follow the MPAA ratings does not make it "de facto" censorship. You are free to start your own movie theater and show whatever you want to whomever you want, unless it's porn and you show it to kids under 18. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883456] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> The MPAA ratings are censorship, just of a de facto kind. Sure they might be theoretically different, but in terms of real world effects it definitely results in censorship. It might be technically voluntary, but there's plenty of theaters/chains that won't screen anything that doesn't have an MPAA rating.You couldn't be more wrong. Censorship requires the use of force, and government claims a monopoly on the use of force. The fact that many theaters CHOOSE to follow the MPAA ratings does not make it "de facto" censorship. You are free to start your own movie theater and show whatever you want to whomever you want, unless it's porn and you show it to kids under 18. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 5:17:00 PM #255:	Censorship requires the use of force, and government claims a monopoly on the use of force. Maybe in your mind that's how you think things should work, but in the real world, the private sector uses force all the time to get its way. Sorry that that doesn't fit your view of how the world should work, but unfortunately that's the way that it does work. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883457] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Censorship requires the use of force, and government claims a monopoly on the use of force.Maybe in your mind that's how you think things should work, but in the real world, the private sector uses force all the time to get its way. Sorry that that doesn't fit your view of how the world should work, but unfortunately that's the way that it does work. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/26/12 5:18:00 PM #256:	but in the real world, the private sector uses force all the time to get its way Would you care to give an example? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883458] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> but in the real world, the private sector uses force all the time to get its wayWould you care to give an example? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
special_sauce 03/26/12 5:22:00 PM #257:	From: foolm0ron \| #219 What are you even talking about here? How can you search all 100 cars that have drugs, but still have false negatives? How can you assume that out of the dog's 227, or the coin's 500, all 100 drugs are present? You have no idea how many drugs you missed, in reality. Those are expected values, and the coin's "400" thing was a typo, where I meant to say 450. The fact (if only I had written it more clearly) was merely that the dog gets you close to finding all the drugs with only (on average) 227 searches. The coin will only get HALF the drugs with 500 searches (on average). MY POINT (unwritten, but intended) was that the media wants you to be all "down with dog searching! coins would be better!" when in reality dogs are fairly effective. Thus, in response to this: From: SmartMuffin \| #221 Uh, I don't care about the spending. I care about the violation of civil rights. Have you like NEVER read any of my posts before? I agree that the war on drugs in an unjust war. That does not give the media an excuse to mislead the public. Based on your previous posts, I think you'll agree with that. Sorry for the confusion. -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/special-sauce-is-my-friend.jpg <cite>special_sauce posted [p:883459] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #219What are you even talking about here? How can you search all 100 cars that have drugs, but still have false negatives? How can you assume that out of the dog's 227, or the coin's 500, all 100 drugs are present? You have no idea how many drugs you missed, in reality.Those are expected values, and the coin's "400" thing was a typo, where I meant to say 450.The fact (if only I had written it more clearly) was merely that the dog gets you close to finding all the drugs with only (on average) 227 searches. The coin will only get HALF the drugs with 500 searches (on average).MY POINT (unwritten, but intended) was that the media wants you to be all "down with dog searching! coins would be better!" when in reality dogs are fairly effective. Thus, in response to this:From: SmartMuffin \| #221Uh, I don't care about the spending. I care about the violation of civil rights. Have you like NEVER read any of my posts before?I agree that the war on drugs in an unjust war. That does not give the media an excuse to mislead the public. Based on your previous posts, I think you'll agree with that.Sorry for the confusion. -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmashttp://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/special-sauce-is-my-friend.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 5:22:00 PM #258:	Would you care to give an example? I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them. And this is a pretty minor example. Any company that pushes other companies out of the field to get a monopoly would clearly be an example of force. A lot of the stuff that Standard Oil and its ilk used to do would surely qualify. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883460] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Would you care to give an example?I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them. And this is a pretty minor example. Any company that pushes other companies out of the field to get a monopoly would clearly be an example of force. A lot of the stuff that Standard Oil and its ilk used to do would surely qualify. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/26/12 5:24:00 PM #259:	I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them. And this is a pretty minor example. Any company that pushes other companies out of the field to get a monopoly would clearly be an example of force. A lot of the stuff that Standard Oil and its ilk used to do would surely qualify. None of those things are force. You really need to start all the way over. And I'm not even going to get into Standard Oil because I've already been over that MULTIPLE times in this series of topics. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883461] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them.And this is a pretty minor example. Any company that pushes other companies out of the field to get a monopoly would clearly be an example of force. A lot of the stuff that Standard Oil and its ilk used to do would surely qualify.None of those things are force. You really need to start all the way over. And I'm not even going to get into Standard Oil because I've already been over that MULTIPLE times in this series of topics. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook7 03/26/12 5:24:00 PM #260:	sign it http://www.change.org/petitions/cbs-news-60-minutes-get-ron-paul-on-60-minutes -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 <cite>TomNook7 posted [p:883462] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> sign ithttp://www.change.org/petitions/cbs-news-60-minutes-get-ron-paul-on-60-minutes -- Genesis does what Nintendon'thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 5:39:00 PM #261:	From: LOLContests \| #258 I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them. So just release the movie to buy online on Amazon or something, who would be happy to have your service. It's not censorship if there's still a legal way to obtain the content. -- _foolmo_ 'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883463] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: LOLContests \| #258I just gave one? Theater chains, and retailers like Wal-Mart/Blockbuster use their economic power to pressure film studios not to release NC-17 films since they won't carry them.So just release the movie to buy online on Amazon or something, who would be happy to have your service. It's not censorship if there's still a legal way to obtain the content. -- _foolmo_'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 03/26/12 5:40:00 PM #262:	*foolm0ron posted...* Can we at least agree on this aspect: Self-regulation is ALWAYS better than government mandated regulation? For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition, -- where is mankriks wife <cite>neonreap posted [p:883464] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...Can we at least agree on this aspect: Self-regulation is ALWAYS better than government mandated regulation?For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition, -- where is mankriks wife </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 5:41:00 PM #263:	From: TomNook7 \| #260 sign it http://www.change.org/petitions/cbs-news-60-minutes-get-ron-paul-on-60-minutes 24784th signature here -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883465] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: TomNook7 \| #260sign ithttp://www.change.org/petitions/cbs-news-60-minutes-get-ron-paul-on-60-minutes24784th signature here -- _foolmo_'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/26/12 5:43:00 PM #264:	For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition, Man, I can't remember if I posted it here or not, but I remember awhile back reading about some county in some European country that eliminated all of its speed limits AND stop signs and saw traffic accidents and fatalities plunge dramatically. It's the same theory as presented in the classic John Stossel "ice skating" video that I'm sure I've posted here multiple times! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883466] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition,Man, I can't remember if I posted it here or not, but I remember awhile back reading about some county in some European country that eliminated all of its speed limits AND stop signs and saw traffic accidents and fatalities plunge dramatically.It's the same theory as presented in the classic John Stossel "ice skating" video that I'm sure I've posted here multiple times! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 03/26/12 5:46:00 PM #265:	Walmart's true evil is eliminating competition. Their censorship only flows out of that. -- where is mankriks wife <cite>neonreap posted [p:883467] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Walmart's true evil is eliminating competition. Their censorship only flows out of that. -- where is mankriks wife </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 6:01:00 PM #266:	It's not censorship if there's still a legal way to obtain the content. Anything that silences speech is censorship, regardless of if there is some way to get it or not. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883468] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> It's not censorship if there's still a legal way to obtain the content.Anything that silences speech is censorship, regardless of if there is some way to get it or not. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 03/26/12 6:05:00 PM #267:	*SmartMuffin posted...* For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition, Man, I can't remember if I posted it here or not, but I remember awhile back reading about some county in some European country that eliminated all of its speed limits AND stop signs and saw traffic accidents and fatalities plunge dramatically. It's the same theory as presented in the classic John Stossel "ice skating" video that I'm sure I've posted here multiple times! The Euro model for speed limits is to deal with accidents based on flow management. It could work just fine for many US highways. It can't be the "ALWAYS" mentality. I'd also like to see what the zoning laws and zone grid looks like for that Euro county. -- where is mankriks wife <cite>neonreap posted [p:883469] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> SmartMuffin posted...For things like drugs/medication, traffic laws, I don't agree. I think many laws protect people and aid competition,Man, I can't remember if I posted it here or not, but I remember awhile back reading about some county in some European country that eliminated all of its speed limits AND stop signs and saw traffic accidents and fatalities plunge dramatically.It's the same theory as presented in the classic John Stossel "ice skating" video that I'm sure I've posted here multiple times!The Euro model for speed limits is to deal with accidents based on flow management. It could work just fine for many US highways. It can't be the "ALWAYS" mentality. I'd also like to see what the zoning laws and zone grid looks like for that Euro county. -- where is mankriks wife </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/26/12 8:39:00 PM #268:	Anything that silences speech is censorship, regardless of if there is some way to get it or not. Exercising your right to not to trade with someone does not "silence speech." -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883470] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Anything that silences speech is censorship, regardless of if there is some way to get it or not.Exercising your right to not to trade with someone does not "silence speech." -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 8:57:00 PM #269:	http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Brics-move-to-unseat-dollar-as-trade-currency-20120325 "The US Dollar will never stop being the global currency. There is no chance of that. Who cares if we keep devaluing it? Everyone else will keep using it no matter what we do, so who cares?" -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883471] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Brics-move-to-unseat-dollar-as-trade-currency-20120325"The US Dollar will never stop being the global currency. There is no chance of that. Who cares if we keep devaluing it? Everyone else will keep using it no matter what we do, so who cares?" -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 10:40:00 PM #270:	Exercising your right to not to trade with someone does not "silence speech." If it hampers speech than of course it's silencing speech. Whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883472] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Exercising your right to not to trade with someone does not "silence speech."If it hampers speech than of course it's silencing speech. Whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 10:57:00 PM #271:	The difference is how broad you want to define censorship. I think we're talking about illegal censorship. Like stuff that is against the first amendment right to free speech. Deleting a post on gamefaqs is "technically" censorship in SOME definition, sure, but it's not significant in the way we are using the word. But I don't even think that matters here. With private vendors like Walmart and movie theaters... is it really censorship because they choose NOT to play a film? Do you know how many films they choose NOT to play? Are they censoring all of those? I guess the trick is that censorship changes/blocks the message of whatever content you are censoring. If you ban a movie in a country, then you can't legally watch that movie. The message cannot be delivered. That is censorship. When you don't play a movie in the the theaters... nothing is stopping that movie from going on youtube or amazon or something. Sure, it won't be as accessible as on the big screen, but no one is stopping your message from spreading. Now that I think about it, this kind of argument is really really common from liberals. Liberals feel like if you deny easy access to something, it's the equivalent of blocking it entirely. If you don't actively pay for people's abortions and birth control, then there might be some poor people who don't have easy access to those services, which is just as bad as banning them altogether. If you don't have gay adoption agencies in your current city and are forced to move somewhere else to adopt a baby, then that is the same as banning gays from adoption. I don't understand that line of thinking, since I see the world as a set of tradeoffs that make it impossible to satisfy everyone everywhere all the time, but whatever. -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883473] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> The difference is how broad you want to define censorship. I think we're talking about illegal censorship. Like stuff that is against the first amendment right to free speech.Deleting a post on gamefaqs is "technically" censorship in SOME definition, sure, but it's not significant in the way we are using the word.But I don't even think that matters here. With private vendors like Walmart and movie theaters... is it really censorship because they choose NOT to play a film? Do you know how many films they choose NOT to play? Are they censoring all of those?I guess the trick is that censorship changes/blocks the message of whatever content you are censoring. If you ban a movie in a country, then you can't legally watch that movie. The message cannot be delivered. That is censorship. When you don't play a movie in the the theaters... nothing is stopping that movie from going on youtube or amazon or something. Sure, it won't be as accessible as on the big screen, but no one is stopping your message from spreading.Now that I think about it, this kind of argument is really really common from liberals. Liberals feel like if you deny easy access to something, it's the equivalent of blocking it entirely. If you don't actively pay for people's abortions and birth control, then there might be some poor people who don't have easy access to those services, which is just as bad as banning them altogether. If you don't have gay adoption agencies in your current city and are forced to move somewhere else to adopt a baby, then that is the same as banning gays from adoption.I don't understand that line of thinking, since I see the world as a set of tradeoffs that make it impossible to satisfy everyone everywhere all the time, but whatever. -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 11:05:00 PM #272:	Sure, it won't be as accessible as on the big screen, but no one is stopping your message from spreading. The fact that it is not as accessible is stopping the message from spreading. I don't think most people would argue that a school district banning Huckleberry Finn because of "racism" counts as censorship and that does much less to stop the message of the book than say Blockbuster refusing to carry NC-17 movies does (or did back when Blockbuster was relevant.) -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883474] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Sure, it won't be as accessible as on the big screen, but no one is stopping your message from spreading.The fact that it is not as accessible is stopping the message from spreading. I don't think most people would argue that a school district banning Huckleberry Finn because of "racism" counts as censorship and that does much less to stop the message of the book than say Blockbuster refusing to carry NC-17 movies does (or did back when Blockbuster was relevant.) -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 11:18:00 PM #273:	From: LOLContests \| #272 I don't think most people would argue that a school district banning Huckleberry Finn because of "racism" counts as censorship I wouldn't call that censorship. So the school won't actively teach the book? So what? I was never taught the book in my school district... but we didn't ban it, as far as I recall. I guess no teachers decided to teach it. The result was the same as in the banning scenario, though. In both cases, if students wanted to read it, they could've read it. See, the problem with what you're suggesting, is that the solution is to severely cripple the power of choice of organizations and therefore the choice of the people, and give all that power to the government. -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883475] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: LOLContests \| #272I don't think most people would argue that a school district banning Huckleberry Finn because of "racism" counts as censorshipI wouldn't call that censorship. So the school won't actively teach the book? So what? I was never taught the book in my school district... but we didn't ban it, as far as I recall. I guess no teachers decided to teach it. The result was the same as in the banning scenario, though. In both cases, if students wanted to read it, they could've read it.See, the problem with what you're suggesting, is that the solution is to severely cripple the power of choice of organizations and therefore the choice of the people, and give all that power to the government. -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 11:22:00 PM #274:	To take another angle at this thing, maybe it's an issue about scope. So if you have a movie that is banned from theaters, then you can say that the theaters have censored the movie. The country, however, hasn't censored the movie. In the scope of the theaters, the movie is banned completely. In the scope of the country, the movie is still available. Or a video like 2g1. Youtube censored 2g1 by removing it. Same with gamefaqs, because apparently that phrase is banned. But 2g1* wasn't censored by the internet, because it's still available on the internet. So in the scope of the internet, you couldn't say that 2g1* was censored. Does that work better? -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883476] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> To take another angle at this thing, maybe it's an issue about scope.So if you have a movie that is banned from theaters, then you can say that the theaters have censored the movie. The country, however, hasn't censored the movie. In the scope of the theaters, the movie is banned completely. In the scope of the country, the movie is still available.Or a video like 2g1. Youtube censored 2g1 by removing it. Same with gamefaqs, because apparently that phrase is banned. But 2g1* wasn't censored by the internet, because it's still available on the internet. So in the scope of the internet, you couldn't say that 2g1* was censored.Does that work better? -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 11:32:00 PM #275:	So if you have a movie that is banned from theaters, then you can say that the theaters have censored the movie. The country, however, hasn't censored the movie. In the scope of the theaters, the movie is banned completely. In the scope of the country, the movie is still available. The country banning a movie would definitely be far worse. But I don't support any sort of ratings/classfication system that has direct bannings and I said so earlier. I just believe that the government giving ratings is better than the current system, since under the current system there is no one to be held accountable for what ratings are given. Ideally of course, obscenity laws would be declared unconstitutional and we could eliminate any such system. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883477] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> So if you have a movie that is banned from theaters, then you can say that the theaters have censored the movie. The country, however, hasn't censored the movie. In the scope of the theaters, the movie is banned completely. In the scope of the country, the movie is still available.The country banning a movie would definitely be far worse. But I don't support any sort of ratings/classfication system that has direct bannings and I said so earlier. I just believe that the government giving ratings is better than the current system, since under the current system there is no one to be held accountable for what ratings are given. Ideally of course, obscenity laws would be declared unconstitutional and we could eliminate any such system. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/26/12 11:37:00 PM #276:	How is government rating more accountable than the internal rating? Don't just tell me that you know the names of the people making the ratings, tell me how the average citizen can influence the government ratings board more easily than the internal one. -- _foolmo_ 'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883478] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> How is government rating more accountable than the internal rating? Don't just tell me that you know the names of the people making the ratings, tell me how the average citizen can influence the government ratings board more easily than the internal one. -- _foolmo_'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/26/12 11:45:00 PM #277:	Don't just tell me that you know the names of the people making the ratings, tell me how the average citizen can influence the government ratings board more easily than the internal one. If the board was making clearly politicized or otherwise illogical decisions the media/civil society at large would have someone to direct their complaints to. As a public entity, the board's decisions and discussions would almost certainly be open to public record, so the average citizen could actually understand why films are receiving the ratings that they are. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883479] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Don't just tell me that you know the names of the people making the ratings, tell me how the average citizen can influence the government ratings board more easily than the internal one.If the board was making clearly politicized or otherwise illogical decisions the media/civil society at large would have someone to direct their complaints to. As a public entity, the board's decisions and discussions would almost certainly be open to public record, so the average citizen could actually understand why films are receiving the ratings that they are. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 03/27/12 1:20:00 AM #278:	The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883480] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 6:45:00 AM #279:	From: red sox 777 \| #278 The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it. ding ding ding the only person in this debate who understands how government works -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883481] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #278The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it.ding ding dingthe only person in this debate who understands how government works -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/27/12 8:35:00 AM #280:	The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it. In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883482] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it.In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 03/27/12 9:09:00 AM #281:	If the MPAA was replaced by a government agency it would be supported with taxpayer dollars. Currently it is a trade association that is supported by Hollywood. Personally I don't want to pay even more taxes to have my movies rated/censored. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Ok everyone this is Bartz so just remember. <cite>KingButz posted [p:883483] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> If the MPAA was replaced by a government agency it would be supported with taxpayer dollars. Currently it is a trade association that is supported by Hollywood. Personally I don't want to pay even more taxes to have my movies rated/censored. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngOk everyone this is Bartz so just remember. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 03/27/12 9:38:00 AM #282:	In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves. Theaters can refuse to use the MPAA if they want. Theaters will want to turn down the MPAA if their customers want it. The reason they don't usually is because customers are happy with the MPAA. If the government's rating is non-binding, I guess that amounts to almost the same thing. I'd still trust them less, however, because they are not hurt if customers don't like their ratings. If no one uses the government rating, that agency will still get funded by the government, and thus by the taxpayers. They are still less accountable. And in practice I don't know of any government agencies that operate on a voluntary basis like that. Even the ones that don't force you to listen to them (like the Post Office) have mandated monopolies. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883484] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves.Theaters can refuse to use the MPAA if they want. Theaters will want to turn down the MPAA if their customers want it. The reason they don't usually is because customers are happy with the MPAA.If the government's rating is non-binding, I guess that amounts to almost the same thing. I'd still trust them less, however, because they are not hurt if customers don't like their ratings. If no one uses the government rating, that agency will still get funded by the government, and thus by the taxpayers. They are still less accountable.And in practice I don't know of any government agencies that operate on a voluntary basis like that. Even the ones that don't force you to listen to them (like the Post Office) have mandated monopolies. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Altimadark 03/27/12 9:44:00 AM #283:	I wouldn't say people are "happy" with the MPAA; they're just content enough that going through the expense and risk necessary to prop up a competitor seems like too much work. Which isn't to say I like the MPAA -- I don't, but I have no idea how to compete with them. -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. <cite>Altimadark posted [p:883485] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> I wouldn't say people are "happy" with the MPAA; they're just content enough that going through the expense and risk necessary to prop up a competitor seems like too much work.Which isn't to say I like the MPAA -- I don't, but I have no idea how to compete with them. -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Altimadark 03/27/12 9:48:00 AM #284:	Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it. -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. <cite>Altimadark posted [p:883486] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it. -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 03/27/12 11:17:00 AM #285:	*Altimadark posted...* Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it. I'm sure this is only theaters that have agreed to follow the MPAA ratings. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:883487] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Altimadark posted...Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it.I'm sure this is only theaters that have agreed to follow the MPAA ratings. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Altimadark 03/27/12 11:17:00 AM #286:	Doesn't that include all the major chains? -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. <cite>Altimadark posted [p:883488] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Doesn't that include all the major chains? -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 11:38:00 AM #287:	From: LOLContests \| #277 If the board was making clearly politicized or otherwise illogical decisions the media/civil society at large would have someone to direct their complaints to. As a public entity, the board's decisions and discussions would almost certainly be open to public record, so the average citizen could actually understand why films are receiving the ratings that they are. In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists, however, the media supports the politicized choices of the government and makes the civil public focus on some other insignificant story, letting the government do whatever they want unopposed. And then, because the government has no incentive to make their public record easy to understand, they will force the average person to go through a complicated process just to obtain the records in the first place, and then the records are way too complicated to understand. There goes your transparency. Further, even if the public started complaining directly to the politicians, the government could put a "private" system in place, like the Fed. Create a private institution that has all the benefits of a government organization, and is just as mandatory as a government institution, but now the government can say that the institution is private, so they can't open it up to the public. And then the election comes around so the media hypes up that insignificant story I was talking about and everyone forgets about civil liberties and personal choice. -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883489] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: LOLContests \| #277If the board was making clearly politicized or otherwise illogical decisions the media/civil society at large would have someone to direct their complaints to. As a public entity, the board's decisions and discussions would almost certainly be open to public record, so the average citizen could actually understand why films are receiving the ratings that they are.In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists, however, the media supports the politicized choices of the government and makes the civil public focus on some other insignificant story, letting the government do whatever they want unopposed.And then, because the government has no incentive to make their public record easy to understand, they will force the average person to go through a complicated process just to obtain the records in the first place, and then the records are way too complicated to understand. There goes your transparency.Further, even if the public started complaining directly to the politicians, the government could put a "private" system in place, like the Fed. Create a private institution that has all the benefits of a government organization, and is just as mandatory as a government institution, but now the government can say that the institution is private, so they can't open it up to the public. And then the election comes around so the media hypes up that insignificant story I was talking about and everyone forgets about civil liberties and personal choice. -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 11:41:00 AM #288:	From: Altimadark \| #284 Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it. And the government would have the owners of the theater go to jail -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883490] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: Altimadark \| #284Also, from my own experience, I'm told that theaters can be sued by the MPAA if they permit unsupervised minors into an R-rated film. I don't know how accurate this actually is, but all the movie theaters I've worked in make a big to-do over it, so there must be some truth to it.And the government would have the owners of the theater go to jail -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 03/27/12 11:52:00 AM #289:	http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Tuesday.pdf Today's argument in the Supreme Court on the healthcare law. Looks fairly good for striking it down. Justice Scalia is great as usual. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883491] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Tuesday.pdfToday's argument in the Supreme Court on the healthcare law. Looks fairly good for striking it down. Justice Scalia is great as usual. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Altimadark 03/27/12 11:54:00 AM #290:	*foolm0ron posted...* And the government would have the owners of the theater go to jail Oh, I agree. I'm not advocating government intervention here. It's just that the MPAA seems to have monopoly power. They may be "non-binding and fully voluntary," but most chains won't show your movie unless you go through the MPAA's hoops. Honestly, there's something fishy about the MPAA. Ever since I heard they were supporting SOPA and PIPA, it's got me wondering: why they don't have any notable competitors? -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. <cite>Altimadark posted [p:883492] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...And the government would have the owners of the theater go to jailOh, I agree. I'm not advocating government intervention here. It's just that the MPAA seems to have monopoly power. They may be "non-binding and fully voluntary," but most chains won't show your movie unless you go through the MPAA's hoops.Honestly, there's something fishy about the MPAA. Ever since I heard they were supporting SOPA and PIPA, it's got me wondering: why they don't have any notable competitors? -- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 12:00:00 PM #291:	MPAA definitely has tons of lobbyists in washington trying to get laws passed that will help them keep their monopoly. -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883493] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> MPAA definitely has tons of lobbyists in washington trying to get laws passed that will help them keep their monopoly. -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 03/27/12 12:27:00 PM #292:	*LOLContests posted...* The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it. In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves. How do you feel about the FCC? -- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:883494] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> LOLContests posted...The private entity is more accountable because people can refuse to use it.In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists however, it would be very hard for a film to get released in many theaters without a MPAA rating. I don't see how the studios would be "forced" to use the government's rating if it did exist anyway. Like I said earlier, I don't think the ratings should lead to enforcements on how movies are show. The ratings would just exist on a government web site somewhere. If someone wanted an alternative system they would be free to make one themselves.How do you feel about the FCC? -- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter?Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 03/27/12 2:13:00 PM #293:	In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists, however, the media supports the politicized choices of the government and makes the civil public focus on some other insignificant story, letting the government do whatever they want unopposed. And then, because the government has no incentive to make their public record easy to understand, they will force the average person to go through a complicated process just to obtain the records in the first place, and then the records are way too complicated to understand. There goes your transparency. Further, even if the public started complaining directly to the politicians, the government could put a "private" system in place, like the Fed. Create a private institution that has all the benefits of a government organization, and is just as mandatory as a government institution, but now the government can say that the institution is private, so they can't open it up to the public. And then the election comes around so the media hypes up that insignificant story I was talking about and everyone forgets about civil liberties and personal choice. Why would the media be more subservient to the government than to any other large establishment figure? Do I think the government would deal with things in a necessarily clear way. No, but I believe that they would deal with things in a clearer way than the private sector does in this case. How do you feel about the FCC? The FCC is a different case. I don't agree with its decisions, since they are usually based on unconstitutional views on obscenity, but I don't object to the body itself, since its jobs is to monitor the public airwaves, which certain companies have been given the privilege to use. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:883495] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> In theory, yes. In the real world that actually exists, however, the media supports the politicized choices of the government and makes the civil public focus on some other insignificant story, letting the government do whatever they want unopposed.And then, because the government has no incentive to make their public record easy to understand, they will force the average person to go through a complicated process just to obtain the records in the first place, and then the records are way too complicated to understand. There goes your transparency.Further, even if the public started complaining directly to the politicians, the government could put a "private" system in place, like the Fed. Create a private institution that has all the benefits of a government organization, and is just as mandatory as a government institution, but now the government can say that the institution is private, so they can't open it up to the public. And then the election comes around so the media hypes up that insignificant story I was talking about and everyone forgets about civil liberties and personal choice.Why would the media be more subservient to the government than to any other large establishment figure? Do I think the government would deal with things in a necessarily clear way. No, but I believe that they would deal with things in a clearer way than the private sector does in this case. How do you feel about the FCC?The FCC is a different case. I don't agree with its decisions, since they are usually based on unconstitutional views on obscenity, but I don't object to the body itself, since its jobs is to monitor the public airwaves, which certain companies have been given the privilege to use. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 2:38:00 PM #294:	From: LOLContests \| #293 No, but I believe that they would deal with things in a clearer way than the private sector does in this case. How do you think this? Are you living in some alternate universe? Or maybe you are just ignoring all this real-world evidence that shows how much more complicated government contracts are than private ones? Please give me an example of a clearly documented government program. I really want to see this. -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883496] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> From: LOLContests \| #293No, but I believe that they would deal with things in a clearer way than the private sector does in this case.How do you think this? Are you living in some alternate universe? Or maybe you are just ignoring all this real-world evidence that shows how much more complicated government contracts are than private ones?Please give me an example of a clearly documented government program. I really want to see this. -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 4:17:00 PM #295:	Actually, I was reading this supreme court transcript and it reminded me. I really have to give it to the US government to make stuff like this available. But then you can look at something like opencongress.com and the parent organization, etc., and you can see the incredible amount of work they do to make the government more transparent. You can see that those guys really care about transparency for the good of the average person more than the government. But still I have to give credit to the government releasing all the information that they use. -- _foolmo_ 'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883497] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Actually, I was reading this supreme court transcript and it reminded me. I really have to give it to the US government to make stuff like this available. But then you can look at something like opencongress.com and the parent organization, etc., and you can see the incredible amount of work they do to make the government more transparent. You can see that those guys really care about transparency for the good of the average person more than the government. But still I have to give credit to the government releasing all the information that they use. -- _foolmo_'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 4:56:00 PM #296:	The FCC is a different case. I don't agree with its decisions, since they are usually based on unconstitutional views on obscenity, but I don't object to the body itself, since its jobs is to monitor the public airwaves, which certain companies have been given the privilege to use. Out of my topic, communist! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883498] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> The FCC is a different case. I don't agree with its decisions, since they are usually based on unconstitutional views on obscenity, but I don't object to the body itself, since its jobs is to monitor the public airwaves, which certain companies have been given the privilege to use.Out of my topic, communist! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook7 03/28/12 1:30:00 PM #297:	So I wanna write an essay about how the US military overspending actually hurts the tax payers more than it helps, and how our current foreign policy actually promotes Islamic hysteria rather than diminish it. I was hoping you guys could give me some pointers. -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 <cite>TomNook7 posted [p:883499] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> So I wanna write an essay about how the US military overspending actually hurts the tax payers more than it helps, and how our current foreign policy actually promotes Islamic hysteria rather than diminish it.I was hoping you guys could give me some pointers. -- Genesis does what Nintendon'thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/28/12 2:11:00 PM #298:	Just watch some RP highlights in the republican debates. He talks about those issues a lot. -- _foolmo_ 'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:883500] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Just watch some RP highlights in the republican debates. He talks about those issues a lot. -- _foolmo_'nice comma splice' - TomNook7 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/28/12 7:18:00 PM #299:	So I wanna write an essay about how the US military overspending actually hurts the tax payers more than it helps, Because all military spending takes resources away that could have been used on products that actually improve peoples lives? I mean, this just seems glaringly obvious... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:883501] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> So I wanna write an essay about how the US military overspending actually hurts the tax payers more than it helps,Because all military spending takes resources away that could have been used on products that actually improve peoples lives? I mean, this just seems glaringly obvious... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frankftw 03/28/12 7:43:00 PM #300:	Defense spending also goes into R&D which, depending on the product, can be translated to commercial goods. Warfare is the leading motivator of technological advancement after all. Of course, that's just a little devil's advocate right there. Research is great, but makes up a minuscule part of the budget. -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog] If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. <cite>frankftw posted [p:883502] in The Offici... [t:62176259]...</cite> <quote> Defense spending also goes into R&D which, depending on the product, can be translated to commercial goods. Warfare is the leading motivator of technological advancement after all.Of course, that's just a little devil's advocate right there. Research is great, but makes up a minuscule part of the budget. -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog]If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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