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SHINE GET 64
12/05/11 7:39:00 PM
#201:


who let Bourne into the building

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 7:46:00 PM
#202:


He wrestled in a house show recently!

Has it been 30 days already...?

How about dem tag team titles

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Dark_Spiral
12/05/11 7:50:00 PM
#203:


Ryder to be pushed confirmed.
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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 7:50:00 PM
#204:


I am really loving this feud.

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Dark_Spiral
12/05/11 7:51:00 PM
#205:


This has been such a great RAW.
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Coffee Ninja
12/05/11 7:52:00 PM
#206:


lol King just loses his train of thought.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 7:52:00 PM
#207:


Any RAW with this much Ryder is bound to be great.

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 7:53:00 PM
#208:


This is curious, though. Who is Cena going to wrestle at TLC?

I mean, it's shaping up to be

Punk/MIz/Del Rio
Henry/Big Show
Barrett/Orton
Ziggler/Ryder
Nash/Triple H
Divas match (assuming)

Who's left for Cena? I mean, R-Truth is still wellness'd, Christian is injured (?), no one else is in his league unless they do like, a handicap match...

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FFDragon
12/05/11 7:54:00 PM
#209:


Rad Link 5 posted...
Ten years from now, Santino Marello will be turned into a monster heel and made World Heavyweight Champion.

Yes, please.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 7:57:00 PM
#210:


From: MartinFF7 | #208
Who's left for Cena? I mean, R-Truth is still wellness'd, Christian is injured (?), no one else is in his league unless they do like, a handicap match...


Cena vs Laurinaitis?

From: FFDragon | #209
Yes, please.


Santino's Italian Restaurant of Pain.

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Dark_Spiral
12/05/11 7:58:00 PM
#211:


Santino's Italian Restaurant of Pain.

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12/05/11 7:58:00 PM
#212:


did something happen in the chat that made people migrate here

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 8:01:00 PM
#213:


omg, future endeavours line right into the camera.

I love this Raw.

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EmDubyaSee
12/05/11 8:01:00 PM
#214:


JoMo even MORE buried. Man, this is amazing.

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Coffee Ninja
12/05/11 8:02:00 PM
#215:


XFD Laurinitus

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:02:00 PM
#216:


CM Punk burying contract signings, yessss.

From: GTM | #212
did something happen in the chat that made people migrate here


I forgot what the chat room's name is. I haven't been here in months.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:02:00 PM
#217:


Holy hell the smarkiness of this angle. I love the Punk era.

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Coffee Ninja
12/05/11 8:02:00 PM
#218:


My PC died and I can't get AIM working on my moms laptop

thats why im not in chat

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12/05/11 8:06:00 PM
#219:


Rad Link 5 posted...
I forgot what the chat room's name is. I haven't been here in months.

It's just very rare that we get 50 posts from a RAW, even rarer for it to happen during it (Pipebomb #1?)

I love how MWC twists every part of the Cena/Ryder storyline today into a negative even though it went full circle

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Coffee Ninja
12/05/11 8:07:00 PM
#220:


Photo Op!

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 8:08:00 PM
#221:


best Raw since Muppets ep imo

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/05/11 8:08:00 PM
#222:


Hey, we have a good RAW and this topic actually comes to life.

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ScareChan
12/05/11 8:09:00 PM
#223:


Did Brodus redbut? I saw it trend and they dropped his name but I didnt catch him on tv

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:11:00 PM
#224:


That angle was perfectly executed. CM Punk continues to be the most entertaining person ever, Alberto Del Rio gets to gain back some credibility without making Punk look weak, and Miz reminds everyone that he's the wildcard in all this.

Oh yeah, and smark levels off the charts is a bonus. Future endeavors right into the camera is my new favorite three seconds in wrestling ever.

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DeathChicken
12/05/11 8:12:00 PM
#225:


Cena is so going to heel turn by beating the **** out of Ryder, and it will be amazing

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Wanglicious
12/05/11 8:18:00 PM
#226:


and let's not forget cole hyping up dragon for those brief 2 minutes. TOOK HENRY TO THE LIMIT.

raw's been great ever since the muppets forward. not a bad show to date, tonight's being possibly their best since that one.

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 8:19:00 PM
#227:


Okay, new question I didn't bring up at the time cuz was floored:

awesome creepy promo interrupting the Natalya/Beth Phoenix promo, the creepy kid talking about Jan 2 and the prophet returning to wipe everyone out, etc. (extended version of what had been on youtube): I was so sure it was Kane, but the fact they still did a Kane promo on top of that... could it really be heel Undertaker? No way a face gets a promo like that.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:21:00 PM
#228:


Haven't they been hyping a Jericho return, too?

I didn't see the one you're talking about, so I couldn't guess.

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Viktor Vaughn
12/05/11 8:22:00 PM
#229:


No way a face gets a promo like that.

you're talking about a guy that popped a crowd by talking about how he steals the souls of men

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Lopen
12/05/11 8:27:00 PM
#230:


From: DeathChicken | #225
Cena is so going to heel turn by beating the **** out of Ryder, and it will be amazing


For real. They're setting this up absolutely perfectly if Zack Ryder loses to Dolph.

I'm not sure that'll happen though. WWE likes to stumble into interesting storylines then take the wrong fork in the road.

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Wanglicious
12/05/11 8:29:00 PM
#231:


nah, ryder's the wrong way to go on this. wrong fork would be going that route.

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Panthera
12/05/11 8:30:00 PM
#232:


From: Rad Link 5 | #224
Future endeavors right into the camera is my new favorite three seconds in wrestling ever.


Laurainaitis in the contract signing was hilarious tonight, so ridiculous and absurd in everything he did. I liked it.

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KJH
12/05/11 8:30:00 PM
#233:


I was totally calling Ryder gets the title shot from Cena being nice, Ziggler winning his match, TLC ends up in Ziggler losing the WWE title match and then losing the us title to Ryder, ditches Vickie/Swagger, and feuds with CM Punk or whoever pissed him off most in the WWE title match.

But now we don't get a third PPV in a row with double-duty Dolph.

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 8:31:00 PM
#234:


From: Viktor Vaughn | #229
No way a face gets a promo like that.

you're talking about a guy that popped a crowd by talking about how he steals the souls of men


Yeah, but I just can't see that flying nowadays... though that would certainly be something.

From: Rad Link 5 | #228
Haven't they been hyping a Jericho return, too?

I didn't see the one you're talking about, so I couldn't guess.




A lot of people see to think it's Jericho but it's just... so unlike him?

And then this was today's:

So dark! Very interested to see how this plays out.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:32:00 PM
#235:


I hate that Laurainaitis has the voice of an old man dying of lung cancer, but his character is pretty great.

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Lopen
12/05/11 8:34:00 PM
#236:


From: Wanglicious | #231
nah, ryder's the wrong way to go on this. wrong fork would be going that route.


Well I don't think Cena should like, snap on Ryder immediately. That'd be a stupid way to turn him. He should turn heel way down the road then beat Ryder down then and cite this as one of the reasons. It'd be excellent Jakylesque continuity booking there.

Granted I guess he could do it either way but if Ryder wastes the opportunity it'd be that much better.

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Lopen
12/05/11 8:36:00 PM
#237:


Or hell he doesn't even need to beat Ryder down.

They just need to have him like, react. Express disappointment. Show shades of being mad at Ryder, but then getting over it. I agree attacking him is like a midcard way to turn Cena but yeah it should definitely go down that way to help contribute-- it'd be really good.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:39:00 PM
#238:


Actually I think it would be better if Ryder did win, and then Cena gets mad that Ryder doesn't properly thank him for what he did for him. I see Cena's character as constantly needing validation, hence the thing with Roddy Piper.

Although I'm not sure Zig-zag should lose the title yet. This is a great feud with Ryder, and there's just not really a good spot open for him in the WWE Championship race with Punk promising a long title reign and Miz getting another big push.

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12/05/11 8:40:00 PM
#239:


question

what was the last ppv without cena

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Wanglicious
12/05/11 8:46:00 PM
#240:


Actually I think it would be better if Ryder did win, and then Cena gets mad that Ryder doesn't properly thank him for what he did for him. I see Cena's character as constantly needing validation, hence the thing with Roddy Piper.

now this one, this one works.
cena shouldn't be beating down on ryder. too quick, easy, and it wouldn't be something you can fuel right to WM. that route's a quick death and kinda sucks. but ryder being part of the slow burn works in this one scenario.

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Rad Link 5
12/05/11 8:47:00 PM
#241:


From: GTM | #239
question

what was the last ppv without cena


Well, he didn't have a match in Survivor Series 2010, but he was the Special Guest Referee in the main event.

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TimJab
12/05/11 8:49:00 PM
#242:


I'm pretty sure there was a PPV that Cena and Orton both missed (and they have both been on every one since), but I can't remember what it was.

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Lopen
12/05/11 8:49:00 PM
#243:


Ryder works a lot better in a slow burn if he loses though (which is more what I was saying it'd be good for anyway). Mostly because Ryder does kinda look like an ass if he doesn't thank Cena if he's put in an obvious situation to thank him and doesn't. And if he's not put into an obvious situation it's not obvious enough that Cena cares he wasn't thanked.

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MartinFF7
12/05/11 8:50:00 PM
#244:


From: GTM | #239
question

what was the last ppv without cena


...he was a ref at Survivor Series 2010... yeah that doesn't count.

.... I don't like this challenge. When's the last time Cena was injured?

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Panthera
12/05/11 8:53:00 PM
#245:


From: MartinFF7 | #244
...he was a ref at Survivor Series 2010... yeah that doesn't count.

.... I don't like this challenge. When's the last time Cena was injured?


2008 I think? He returned to beat Jericho for the title at Survivor Series, so whatever the October PPV that year was?

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12/05/11 8:54:00 PM
#246:


How about not due to injury too?

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ScareChan
12/05/11 8:56:00 PM
#247:


From: Rad Link 5 | #238
Actually I think it would be better if Ryder did win, and then Cena gets mad that Ryder doesn't properly thank him for what he did for him. I see Cena's character as constantly needing validation, hence the thing with Roddy Piper.

Although I'm not sure Zig-zag should lose the title yet. This is a great feud with Ryder, and there's just not really a good spot open for him in the WWE Championship race with Punk promising a long title reign and Miz getting another big push.




I think Miz is due for a face run before Summerslam. I think with this push there isn't enough time to give a solid face turn right now, but should Cena end up flipping heel anytime soon Miz is definitely the the they need to balance it with. Orton will get his program, and so would Punk and in this case Ryder, but Face Miz will be THE counterpart to heel Cena.

I'll even go on record and say that once Miz is a well established face he will be a bigger draw than Orton.

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Lopen
12/05/11 8:57:00 PM
#248:


I'm skeptical Miz can do face. He's just got that face you want to hit, and his first claim to fame is a reality show. I'd buy an ADR Face turn before Miz.

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12/05/11 8:58:00 PM
#249:


Also I feel that when Cena does end up going heel he will eventually reunite with Barret to form a sort of Nexus 2.0 where Barret convinces Cena he did a ton with Nexus and the potential they had went wasted due to Cena being unwilling to work together but things are different now. Makes room for them to be dominant and still provide wiggle room for Cena to go without looking bad when they are beat.

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Wanglicious
12/05/11 8:58:00 PM
#250:


orton isn't even a huge draw so that's not hard to do!
face miz would basically be the new cena back when the guy was fresh.

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