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| Topic | China's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide" |
| pls 10/15/19 11:40:44 PM #76 | Highwind07 posted... In her case back in Mao's regime it was in fact true that they did kill off intellectuals. Because they considered intellectualism to be a "class antagonism" designed to hold back the proletarians. Literally anything can be considered a class antagonism. You have simply no way of knowing what the dark underbelly of communist revolutions will consider a class antagonism. One minute you're a comrade and there's solidarity, next minute you're about to be executed after years in a gulag. --- Do good. |
| Topic | New AOC bill to give illegal aliens welfare, disability, all federal benefits |
| pls 10/15/19 11:38:41 PM #133 | |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 11:37:10 PM #192 | 1337toothbrush posted... It was possible and it did happen and it created the middle class as we know it today. You're a naysayer because you happen eat up the bulls*** propaganda that the rich feed you. If it was possible then it should be possible now. It's always about everyone but the rich tightening their belts. f*** that, tax the rich and revive the middle class. What year was it last possible to do such a thing? It is literally a non sequitur to say that "if it was possible in the early 50s when the US was the only piece of the economy it should be possible 70 years later" You can tax the rich more but it isn't going to change the fact that personal responsibility is a thing. Taxing Bezos more isn't going to suddenly turn into money in your pocket. Go ahead and tax them more. Just temper your expectations because you have some really ridiculous ones. --- Do good. |
| Topic | China's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide" |
| pls 10/15/19 11:32:47 PM #70 | 1337toothbrush posted... Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that. --- Do good. |
| Topic | AOC to Endorse Bernie Sanders for POTUS |
| pls 10/15/19 11:31:10 PM #24 | Iodine posted... You like Bernie but hate AOC? They have largely the same policies. AOC supports open borders and wants to give illegal immigrants welfare and other federal benefits. She also supports banning and seizing all semi automatic weapons, which as far as I know Bernie has only committed to banning "assault weapons" which is poorly defined. I'd also wager Bernie is a lot more malleable on gun rights and could be convinced to explore other options besides a ban/confiscation which was already attempted in the past. --- Do good. |
| Topic | AOC to Endorse Bernie Sanders for POTUS |
| pls 10/15/19 11:24:37 PM #12 | Strongly reconsidering my support and any future donations for Bernie. AOC is a nut case and if she is supporting him, that means I was in the wrong to do so. Gonna take a gander at Warren or Biden instead. Yang is cool but he has no chance. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 11:22:49 PM #189 | It never was and never could be sustainable to raise a family on a high-school dropout's pay. That's just ridiculous and an impossible version of reality. And if that's how you measure whether or not the economy is good, then the problem is with your measurement. The median household income in the states is more than enough to thrive and have a family, unless you're going to overspend on shit. I already linked this earlier but it's worth looking at again. It's the median income by age group. https://www.bankrate.com/personal-finance/median-salary-by-age/ If you're earning around $62,000 during those prime child-bearing years, you should certainly be able to afford a family. If you are not earning enough to responsibly raise children, don't have children until you do. If that means that it will never have children, so be it. There are enough people on the planet and the global population is still rising. The idea that we should dispense with common sense and basic math just because you think high school dropouts back in the day were magically able to afford the American standard of living on a single income is ridiculous. When was such a fairy tale possible? For how long? How much more inflated is the American standard of living now compared to then? Contraception is a thing. Have children responsibly, without forcing others to pay for them, or don't have them at all imo. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 11:02:57 PM #186 | Anyway, let's be honest. From previous conversations it's already obvious that you'll never give even an iota of credence to the concept of personal responsibility, because all you want is more Marx. Can't expect you to really care about a good faith conversation when you're just going to repeatedly strawman. --- Do good. |
| Topic | AOC to Endorse Bernie Sanders for POTUS |
| pls 10/15/19 11:01:44 PM #6 | If she is supporting Bernie then Bernie really may be a closet socialist after all. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 11:00:20 PM #185 | The economy is also bigger than it was before. If the economy were so great for the middle and working classes, they would be earning more. The economy is bigger but the labor pool has also increased in size significantly. And really, unless you're stuck in a shitty job there is plenty of opportunity in America. But in any case you didn't address the point - a smaller labor pool would increase the value of each laborer. You could have it right after dropping out of high school before. Now you have to finish high school AND get through a 4+ year program to earn less money than that drop-out in the past. If the economy is so good, why is it so much harder to earn a decent living? Ehhhhh yeah I don't know about that, anyone I know who dropped out of high school because of kids had to rely on family to survive, worked in the physical trades, or went back to school. Admittedly it's anecdotal. How much economic activity has gone abroad because of regulations that made it less worth pursuing here? How much more competition is there for jobs because of other countries advancing and producing stuff? If wages kept up, the two incomes would've doubled purchase power compared to that single high school dropout of the past. Two people in a household can earn that kind of money with minimal or no education, but they'll both be working which leaves no time for raising kids. That's why it's important to go to college for something that pays off. Or to go in the trades, rather than settling for being a cashier at Walmart for life. The caveat of "good in-demand field" is bulls***. The work is just as in-demand, it just pays less. Nah that's not true at all. Plenty of jobs exist that cannot be filled easily due to the skills required. And those will pay a premium. "Actually it's a good thing that people can't afford to raise a family. Also, the economy is great, believe me!" If you can't be responsible for children, don't have any. If you want some, work on being able to provide a stable household. Not rocket science, and people being irresponsible high school dropouts back in the 50s when America was the only nation producing shit is not a meaningful counterargument. And the economy has been pretty good for me these last 5 years. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:46:40 PM #183 | 1337toothbrush posted... If people waited until they could afford to have children in this shitty economy, they'd miss child-bearing age. In fact, this is what is happening now. If it weren't for immigration, the population of the United States would be declining. Meanwhile decades ago, high school drop-outs could raise a family in a house that they own on a single income. This is a systemic problem, not one of people not being able to manage money. When money doesn't go as far as it did in the past and wages haven't been keeping up, it's harder to make that money actually work. The labor force used to be half the size. If more people wanted to be stay at home parents, the earning power for an individual would go up. And it's still very possible to afford children. The economy is good. You just can't have it all right out of college, especially not if you fucked up and majored in something useless. Wages have kept up, assuming you're in a good in-demand field. It's really only for unskilled labor that wages are stagnant. And global population is still growing, so we could do to have fewer births in any case. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:29:41 PM #180 | |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:24:16 PM #177 | Webmaster4531 posted... A home and children is overspending now? No more panic of greying economy and social security going bankrupt. Depending on where you are in life, yes, owning property or having children can be overspending. Everything has to come at the right time in the right order. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:20:51 PM #174 | Webmaster4531 posted... Did toothbrush say a mansion and a second car? I don't see it. You're lying if you think Americans aren't overspending like crazy. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:16:59 PM #172 | Webmaster4531 posted... Yeah, don't do anything that makes you happy. The American dream. I guarantee you having freedom from having money in the bank is a lot nicer than having a second car or buying more house than I need. --- Do good. |
| Topic | billionaires earned their weal- |
| pls 10/15/19 10:12:53 PM #170 | 1337toothbrush posted... Their expenses also tend to go up as they age. Most 20 year olds don't have a mortgage and aren't raising a family. Keep your expenses under control. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Debate Topic 10/15 on CNN |
| pls 10/15/19 9:39:14 PM #71 | MrToothHasYou posted... Thoughts and prayers for those poor souls who will now be shackled with the knowledge that they wont go bankrupt from getting cancer So the only two options are bankruptcy from cancer or giant tax increases on the middle class? --- Do good. |
| Topic | Debate Topic 10/15 on CNN |
| pls 10/15/19 9:32:16 PM #61 | Godnorgosh posted... They are still going to be better off under M4A than remaining uninsured under the current system, as I've explained before. I'm sure they'll appreciate suddenly taking home 15% less income for a system that will likely require rationing of services. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Debate Topic 10/15 on CNN |
| pls 10/15/19 9:24:47 PM #51 | Godnorgosh posted... The first question I would ask Yang is why hewants to force low-income families to choose between welfare benefits and UBI. He already explained this many times --- Do good. |
| Topic | Debate Topic 10/15 on CNN |
| pls 10/15/19 9:23:57 PM #50 | Godnorgosh posted... Sanders' response on M4A was significantly stronger, yeah. Public taxes go up, private ones are eliminated. Except for the tens of millions of self employed who had no insurance to begin with. They'll just get shafted. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Barenziah Boy Toy has been suspended |
| pls 10/15/19 6:30:56 PM #31 | Who the fuck keeps posting??? --- Do good. |
| Topic | Are you for or against circumcision? |
| pls 10/15/19 6:01:07 PM #7 | Any circumcision of any kind (except in extremely rare cases when medically necessary) is child abuse and should be illegal. An absolutely disgusting and barbaric practice that serves no real utility and is still around due to propaganda and lack of education. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Barenziah Boy Toy has been suspended |
| pls 10/15/19 5:43:46 PM #28 | Who keeps following me around like a weirdo even though I literally never see their posts? --- Do good. |
| Topic | Barenziah Boy Toy has been suspended |
| pls 10/15/19 5:23:18 PM #23 | I always wondered who lydiaquayle was. One of the worst posters I've ever seen. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Barenziah Boy Toy has been suspended |
| pls 10/15/19 5:15:47 PM #19 | Can he just get banned pls? --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
| pls 10/15/19 12:59:04 PM #27 | Superlinkbro posted... Blizzcon in 2019: Oof --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
| pls 10/15/19 12:12:05 PM #22 | Prestoff posted... Watch them cancel blizzcon as well lol They are fucked no matter what unless they change their tune and tell China to fuck off. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
| pls 10/15/19 11:33:13 AM #13 | Alucard188 posted... Yet they are the world's largest market for commerce. A company controlling 5% of a company is still worth millions, if not billions. The NBA is bigger than Activision-Blizzard, yet Tencent still cut off NBA streaming in China over a tweet. Tencent may not have a controlling arm in the company, but you'd be silly to think that they weren't responsible for distribution and management in the country. Then they need to settle for less profit, or we'll make the reduction in profit even worse via steep boycotts. We need to show these clowns who the real bosses are. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
| pls 10/15/19 11:27:26 AM #10 | L0Z posted... Im about to boycott cod on their launcher because theyre bending over for a shitbag China company that only owns 5% Yeah I have decided I'm not using it or purchasing any other games through it. Not even the new CoD which I really want to play. --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
| pls 10/15/19 11:18:40 AM #5 | Blizzcon is gonna be a dumpster fire --- Do good. |
| Topic | Blizzard cancels Overwatch event just two days before the day of the event |
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| Topic | LeBron James is officially a pro Beijing shill |
| pls 10/15/19 10:31:18 AM #22 | He's a traitor --- Do good. |
| Topic | Second times the charm: Americans shouldn't be expected to care about Hong-Kong |
| pls 10/15/19 10:29:04 AM #12 | |
| Topic | Public utilities should be nationalized. |
| pls 10/15/19 1:28:58 AM #2 | The topic title is redundant. Stop fucking posting. --- Do good. |
| Topic | lmao at the people who shill for billionaires and aren't billionaires |
| pls 10/15/19 1:28:38 AM #67 | le-seul-dieu posted... 1. Be white Fail. Basically half of the world's billionaires are not white. --- Do good. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 11:08:35 PM #33 | Godnorgosh posted... pls posted...Godnorgosh posted...pls posted...Godnorgosh posted...What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. *unzips* --- Do good. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:49:06 PM #31 | Godnorgosh posted... pls posted...Godnorgosh posted...What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. You've definitely done it, buddy. Multiple times. --- Do good. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:43:39 PM #27 | com....rades --- Do good. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:41:01 PM #26 | CrimsonRage posted... it took a while, but the propaganda is finally breaking through. rejoice comrades! FFFFFFF COMRADE FFFFFFFF --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:40:08 PM #24 | Godnorgosh posted... What you've described in the OP is indeed much closer to a Marxist concept of a post-capitalist society than something like the USSR or CCP. You would never know that based on how hard you grovel at CCP or USSR feet whenever you pretend American Imperialism somehow brought down their Not Real Communism. Whatever Marx envisioned, it was incomplete because he didn't anticipate the effects of technology and unlimited resources. We really should label Star Trek as something beyond communism. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:36:53 PM #21 | legendary_zell posted... ssjevot posted...A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. The major thing that makes it Not Actually Communism is that there's no point in even caring who owns what anymore. If you can spin up anything you want on demand or have access to whatever you want very easily, the concept of needing to protect your own property becomes deprecated. Whereas communism as it has been practiced has not really conceived of such a state of technological advancement, so they still insist on class theory and all that nonsense. Rather than trying to get us to the technological singularity. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:31:43 PM #18 | comrade fucking comrade i'm a comrade --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:28:57 PM #15 | ssjevot posted... So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity. Once we can reliably grow food with minimal inputs and harness tons of nearly free energy, the entire equation changes. Doubly so once we can get machines to mine asteroids for us. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | China's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide" |
| pls 10/14/19 10:26:59 PM #63 | hockeybub89 still literally trying to detract from the topic by making it about anyone but China. JFC. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:26:24 PM #12 | Annihilated posted... Doesn't the Star Trek universe take place during a time in which energy and resources are essentially unlimited? There would be no market for such things if that was the case. Yeah, and I could really see us making huge strides towards that even in our lifetime. Lab-grown food, assembling atoms into crude objects / learning the ropes of replication, unlimited energy via fusion and renewables... --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:10:36 PM #6 | I'm a fucking comrade. I'm a fucking comrade. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
| Topic | >_> I might actually be a communist |
| pls 10/14/19 10:04:52 PM #1 | If you consider that technology will enable Star Trek which is distinctly more communistic than capitalistic, and if you consider that we are very close to starting our ascent to Star Trek as a species if we just play our cards right, then I'm basically a communist. I'm a fucking comrade. --- Do good. Eat communists. |
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