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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 9:42:23 PM
#60
And now hockeybub89 is literally doubling down.
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TopicFL GOP rep uses Russian battlecruiser in 'Happy Birthday US Navy' tweet
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10/14/19 9:38:55 PM
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That response about it being a stock image on Shutterstock is 100% legitimate. You guys are being uncharitable because of how fucking dishonest and bloodthirsty you are.
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 9:37:51 PM
#57
hockeybub89 posted...
pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch


Should've anticipated that @hockeybub89 would Whataboutism and deflect away from China's organ harvesting and gulags.
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TopicInequality Update: Only 150 ppl in THE WORLD who can buy their own sports team.
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10/14/19 9:34:25 PM
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The world is not equal unless we can all afford our own sports team, right comrade?
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 9:26:40 PM
#53
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.
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TopicI'm about an hour into TLoU and it's good but like I don't get the hype.
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10/14/19 9:25:59 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Eh Imma bump it up to a 9/10

I really really liked it


god bless
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TopicI'm about an hour into TLoU and it's good but like I don't get the hype.
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10/14/19 9:17:52 PM
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So what would you rate it now that you've beaten it?
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TopicI'm about an hour into TLoU and it's good but like I don't get the hype.
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10/14/19 9:17:28 PM
#118
lol
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TopicWhat's up tonight, CE?
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10/14/19 9:12:51 PM
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You could say I'm just watching over everything.
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 9:11:56 PM
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@Godnorgosh

Back me up comrade
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TopicI'm about an hour into TLoU and it's good but like I don't get the hype.
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10/14/19 9:11:42 PM
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@Doom_Art Don't read this spoiler until you beat the game.

Didn't the Fireflies try and fail with a bunch of other people who were immune? Meaning that Ellie might've very well have died for nothing if they tried it on her?
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 9:04:25 PM
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RoadsterUFO posted...
Ill go petition right now to celebrate Klan Day. A Friday off is a Friday off. - D.L. Hughley


What?
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 9:01:41 PM
#12
Bump
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 8:55:55 PM
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 8:27:23 PM
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K181 posted...
pls posted...
K181 posted...
I have literally never heard anyone suggest we do away Columbus Day without in the same breath saying it should be replaced with Indigenous Peoples' Day or some other kind of similar holiday.


It may just be anecdotal but at my current job which I started a few months ago, they got rid of it without adding another one. At my previous job they gave us a different day off, but my previous job had a lot more millennials in management.


So you're blaming millennials... for not being entitled and not wanting more days off....?

That's a new one.


Where did you read blame? I'm supporting that stuff.
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 8:18:24 PM
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K181 posted...
I have literally never heard anyone suggest we do away Columbus Day without in the same breath saying it should be replaced with Indigenous Peoples' Day or some other kind of similar holiday.


It may just be anecdotal but at my current job which I started a few months ago, they got rid of it without adding another one. At my previous job they gave us a different day off, but my previous job had a lot more millennials in management.
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 8:14:17 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Other states have it recognized as Native American Heritage day or Indigenous People Day , but it isn't recognized as a federal holiday. Companies are going to shame you for wanting PTO this month since you already get holiday pay last month and holiday pay for Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Years.


Fuck em, we need to keep it as PTO.
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TopicThe backlash against Columbus Day is a capitalist ploy to take worker PTO.
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10/14/19 7:22:32 PM
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Instead of getting rid of the Holiday, it should be changed to something else but still considered a federal holiday where workers get paid time off.

This is anecdotal, but at my current company and many of the companies I know of in my network, the move is to get rid of it as a federal holiday rather than to simply replace it. At my previous job we didn't have Columbus Day off but we did have a separate "Office Holiday" where the office was closed and people were encouraged to take time off. It was a Monday too, since Fridays are already laid back.

Workers unite, make sure the backlash against Columbus Day doesn't turn into one less paid holiday.
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TopicHey SBAllen what did you think of The Joker?
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10/14/19 6:06:17 PM
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@SBAllen what do you think about seizing the means of production, buddy?
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TopicConsidering converting to Taoism
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10/14/19 5:31:58 PM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
I mean is there proof any religion is real? This shit sounds rad


No
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TopicConsidering converting to Taoism
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10/14/19 5:29:14 PM
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What's the point of it sounding cool if it isn't real? Literally no evidence.
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TopicC/D: CE needs an 18+ sub-forum
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10/14/19 5:06:41 PM
#2
What we really need is to ban all the fucking socialists
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 3:00:49 PM
#46
DarkRoast posted...
It's a never ending cycle no matter your social or political views:

"I don't have X [Money/Jobs/Etc] and it's [Y People's] fault"

Political party: Vote for us and we'll fight back against [Y People] and make things fair again!

Then when shit goes wrong under their leadership:

"The [Y People] are undermining our efforts!"


American Imperialism ruined the Soviet Union's chance at fully automated luxury gay space communism.
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 2:54:21 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
tremain07 posted...
Oh right, the rich are all flawless gods who never ever did anything evil or dirty or shady or ever abused their wealth.


It starts with using a general term like "the rich" and the goes from there. Stereotype an entire group of people - race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. Then you have a group of people you can throw blame on whenever you want.


And this right here is why communism is doomed to fail in its current form. It has a catastrophic internal error where people eventually take on, with religious fervor, a "class" mentality and always find ways to construe "the others" as part of the forbidden class(es).

And the only way to deal with forbidden class(es) or the sympathizers is violence or the threat of violence, like Marx proposed.
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 1:47:15 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Mass government surveillance should never be allowed


But how else will the proletarians make sure the bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie don't mobilize and rise up again? It's for the good of the revolution!
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TopicAfter trolls flooded their black twitter reddit, the mods required verification
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10/14/19 1:41:24 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Proudclad would be outraged at this


Not at all dude.
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Topicimplying anything is the fault of white terrorism is racially offensive
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10/14/19 1:26:35 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
pls posted...
Annihilated posted...
Uh no, you got modded for implying that "white terrorism" was even a thing.


Yeah and TC knows this, he's been modded for similar posts in the past. For some reason he insists on trying to accumulate those Virtue points by pandering to this board's lowest common denominator.

So you earn your virtue points by pandering to the highest power? I guess that would be more effectove


No, you don't focus on earning any Virtue points and instead choose the side with the most accurate data. SpicyBeefPatty posted...
Annihilated posted...
Uh no, you got modded for implying that "white terrorism" was even a thing.


what would label white people committing violence against minorites groups for political and intimidation purposes?


Terrorism and/or white supremacy

Would you ever label anything as brown or black terrorism? No.
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Topicimplying anything is the fault of white terrorism is racially offensive
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10/14/19 1:21:48 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Uh no, you got modded for implying that "white terrorism" was even a thing.


Yeah and TC knows this, he's been modded for similar posts in the past. For some reason he insists on trying to accumulate those Virtue points by pandering to this board's lowest common denominator.
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TopicAfter trolls flooded their black twitter reddit, the mods required verification
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10/14/19 1:16:40 PM
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SpicyBeefPatty posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
SpicyBeefPatty posted...

These people are white, said Tony Hinderman, 23, a black actor in Chicago. Black people love Beyonc. There is nothing to not love about her.

Lol.


No sensible black person is gonna go to a black online forum and trash Beyonce.


racism
/rsizm/

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+definition&oq=racism
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Topicimplying anything is the fault of white terrorism is racially offensive
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10/14/19 1:12:27 PM
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prettyprincess posted...
pls posted...
What is the difference? It is just terrorism. Would you call terrorism in the middle east to be brown terrorism?

yeah nobody in this case would ever qualify the terrorism with a descriptor like islamic or something similar given the story, I have never seen that happen


Islamic is not a race.

It would be totally fine to call something Christian terrorism if that is in fact the flavor of ideology. But white is not an ideology, and neither is brown or black.
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TopicAfter trolls flooded their black twitter reddit, the mods required verification
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10/14/19 1:11:44 PM
#7
Such safe spaces shouldn't even be allowed.
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Topicbillionaires earned their weal-
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10/14/19 1:09:45 PM
#162
scar the 1 posted...
pls posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but "everyone can make more than the median" is either false, or arbitrary because of course everyone in a group can make more money than the median of a completely different group.


The context was about workers in the here and now and the median in their current group. My argument is that yes, they will definitely earn more and everyone can earn more with time, because the median changes as you get older to reflect that you do typically earn more with time.

And you're making that point knowing full well that class mobility in the US is very low


Last I saw, the majority of workers earn more as they age and most will be in the top income bracket at least one year of their life. Would have to search for the source on that though.
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Topicimplying anything is the fault of white terrorism is racially offensive
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10/14/19 1:08:04 PM
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Call it just terrorism. Adding the skin color is definitely racist.

What is the difference? It is just terrorism. Would you call terrorism in the middle east to be brown terrorism? No, because that'd be fucking racist and I'm sure you cringed internally at the thought.

Stop trying to score Virtue points with the board's most radical identity politicians.
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 12:55:27 PM
#21
Not surprised to see our favorite comrades supporting this.
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Topicbillionaires earned their weal-
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10/14/19 12:55:05 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
Yeah but "everyone can make more than the median" is either false, or arbitrary because of course everyone in a group can make more money than the median of a completely different group.


The context was about workers in the here and now and the median in their current group. My argument is that yes, they will definitely earn more and everyone can earn more with time, because the median changes as you get older to reflect that you do typically earn more with time.
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TopicBernie and institutional racism
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10/14/19 12:29:55 PM
#43
Balrog0 posted...
Polycosm posted...
The economic reality is that parents can't afford to stay home for the first 3 years. The single-income family model is all but dead in the US. Social encouragement can't overcome the crushing economic pressure. Our population growth rate is at an 80-year low and we're heading for decline unless we address the problems with our system.


we should give every parent a check every month to help address this issue


Sounds like a tax cut which is fine by me.
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TopicBernie and institutional racism
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10/14/19 12:29:38 PM
#42
Polycosm posted...
pls posted...
Polycosm posted...
The "equality of outcome" approach is seriously flawed. Granted, in the case of corporate boards, it probably doesn't do any harm at least. But we should be investing in "equality of opportunity" instead (for example, universal Pre-K would be a start).

No, we need to encourage more parents to be at home with their kids during those formative years. Not more offloading of parenting to the state nannies.

The economic reality is that parents can't afford to stay home for the first 3 years. The single-income family model is all but dead in the US. Social encouragement can't overcome the crushing economic pressure. Our population growth rate is at an 80-year low and we're heading for decline unless we address the problems with our system.


Nah it's still possible to have a single breadwinner. And arguably we should be educating people not to have kids if they're going to just offload them to the state and the taxpayer as a result.
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Topicbillionaires earned their weal-
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10/14/19 12:23:55 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
pls posted...
YES. Because if you think critically for a second, it makes sense.

Do... do you know what "median" means?


Median salaries are broken down by age group, and if you guys would've clicked the link I shared earlier you'd have seen that.

It's certainly true that most workers earn more as they get older. A median requires there to be people below the median, but being below the median salary when you're in the prime of your career still means you're earning more than whatever the median is when you're starting out.

Which means that most people can save/invest throughout their working career unless they're not giving a shit about their own future.
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TopicAre men intimidated by women's power?
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10/14/19 12:21:41 PM
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so powerful she literally fell for a delusion involving talking snakes
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TopicBernie and institutional racism
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10/14/19 12:20:49 PM
#39
Annihilated posted...
pls posted...
But the point isn't to have the government go in and give that wealth evenly, the point is that Apple does have money to invest more into its employees who will then produce better work and stimulate the rest of the economy. But if greed isn't checked, they won't do it. So having the government look into that and encourage more isn't necessarily bad.


That is not how innovation happens. "Just throw more money at it" never works for the government, and it doesn't work for businesses either.


It happens when a variety of variables are met. You need the profit motive and you also need competent workers.

And you can have your pick of the competent workers when you pay whatever it takes. And your workers will be free to do their best work when they're thriving at the job rather than always thinking of the next pay check or the next career they can pursue.

The profit motive is not enough in itself, and neither is the assumption that if the workers owned the means of production we'd have Wakanda.
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Topicbillionaires earned their weal-
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10/14/19 12:19:16 PM
#155
1337toothbrush posted...
Are you seriously agreeing with the statement "everyone can earn above median wage"?


YES. Because if you think critically for a second, it makes sense.

At age 20, the median salary is what, $25,000? $30,000? But as you earn experience, you move up the pay scale and earn considerably more than that. Meanwhile, new employees come in from behind when they are 20 and at that pay scale, which means the median wage remains roughly the same for that age group.

But as you earn more, you've far surpassed what was once the median salary for your age group and can save/invest more money.

In fact most workers move up into the highest income brackets for at least one year in their working careers.

As a household, if you are diligent and intentional with your career you will certainly earn more than the median salary.
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TopicABC broadcasts Syria bombing footage that's actually from Kentucky
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10/14/19 12:16:22 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
pls posted...
Can't believe Turkey is invading even as far as Kentucky and Trump is letting them do it.

first russia invaded georgia and now this

why do our weak presidents just let other countries walk all over our states


It's because they are owners of Capital
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TopicABC broadcasts Syria bombing footage that's actually from Kentucky
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10/14/19 12:13:16 PM
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Can't believe Turkey is invading even as far as Kentucky and Trump is letting them do it.
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TopicBernie and institutional racism
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10/14/19 12:10:32 PM
#37
Polycosm posted...
The "equality of outcome" approach is seriously flawed. Granted, in the case of corporate boards, it probably doesn't do any harm at least. But we should be investing in "equality of opportunity" instead (for example, universal Pre-K would be a start).


No, we need to encourage more parents to be at home with their kids during those formative years. Not more offloading of parenting to the state nannies.
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TopicBernie and institutional racism
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10/14/19 12:05:23 PM
#35
@The_Admiral

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that there are many who are really aiming for communism rather than just making things more palatable and fair. But imo we should leverage their push to our own advantage in order to get more people plugged into the capitalist system. If capitalism is benefiting more people, there's more people who can take a stand against the extremism of the 20th century. Both regressive left and alt right will have less disenchanted people picking an extremist side, because more people will be benefiting financially.

It's also a fun exercise to consider a world where more workers benefit more from profit. Let's take an extreme example in Apple. Apple has some $250,000,000,000 in cash that they don't know how to spend.

Apple employees some 80,000 Americans.

Imagine if Apple decided to invest directly into those Americans with that cash that is otherwise burning a hole in their pocket. What kinds of new products and innovations would come out of a supercharged workforce that is empowered to work for the passion/pleasure rather than to just pay their bills?

$250 billion divided across 80,000 American workers is a lot of money per worker.

$250,000,000,000 / 80,000 = $3,125,000.

Apple could literally mint each of its employees as a millionaire and still have over $100 billion in the bank. Slap me if I missed a zero somewhere.

But the point isn't to have the government go in and give that wealth evenly, the point is that Apple does have money to invest more into its employees who will then produce better work and stimulate the rest of the economy. But if greed isn't checked, they won't do it. So having the government look into that and encourage more isn't necessarily bad.
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TopicChina's insane new mass-surveillance program. "No Place To Hide"
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10/14/19 11:56:31 AM
#1
https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/09/chinas-new-cybersecurity-program-no-place-to-hide.html

Thank God for Europe's GDPR law. Probably the last major piece of legislation that is protecting people outside of China. We need more of that.
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