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| Topic | Ending free college in the UK made college better (with a caveat) |
| pls 10/13/17 11:45:11 AM #7 | Balrog0 posted... pls posted...This is not a surprise to anyone who understands basic economics. Offering "free" things tends to massively inflate the indirect costs, as well as reduce quality. "Should" is never an argument, because normative statements are not arguments. They are ideals that not everyone shares. Keep in mind that there is no such thing as free college - it might appear free at the time of service but there are costs for it. When something is "free" in matters that pertain to the government, you can bet there are indirect monetary and efficiency costs. If quality and accessibility plummet, is it really even free education at that point? Or a massive waste of time instead? |
| Topic | Ending free college in the UK made college better (with a caveat) |
| pls 10/13/17 11:38:37 AM #5 | This is not a surprise to anyone who understands basic economics. Offering "free" things tends to massively inflate the indirect costs, as well as reduce quality. It's one reason why the UK's healthcare system is on the verge of collapse. |
| Topic | there will be more obese kids than underweight in 2022 |
| pls 10/13/17 10:53:51 AM #8 | The worst part is that instead of treating it like a severe illness, some people want to peddle the "healthy at every size" nonsense. |
| Topic | 17 y/o girl raped 3 times in the same night in London |
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| Topic | where are all the women in economics? |
| pls 10/13/17 10:21:26 AM #7 | Probably in the nursing and education fields, in which women are vastly overrepresented. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:42:59 PM #70 | Balrog0 posted... I can, but ceteris paribus this would impact educational attainment, too. Are you capable of reading an entire post? Getting a degree these days is very easy. Struggling with single parenthood impacts a career much more. Balrog0 posted... Hmm, the CTC and EITC are really useful for people who have above average incomes, actually. TANF and other public assistance does go down. I'm sure that explains part of it. Is a single mother able to allocate as much time to nurturing a career as someone who is not a single mother? |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:41:25 PM #68 | Balrog0 posted... I mean, the bolded is pretty factual, even for black women compared to other black women without degrees, so I don't understand why you think they're unrelated. There's definitely a correlation, but it's still a non sequitur to say that a degree means larger incomes. If that was the case then we wouldn't see so many complaints about stagnant wages in today's economy, even though a record number of people of all races have degrees. Most of the people with large incomes and degrees are not obtaining those large incomes solely because of the degree. Balrog0 posted... No, I'm talking about large population averages, not individual cases. If education doesn't mean anything, why would you even bring up the fact that black women are better educated, btw? Because education has been considered a useful metric for measuring equality and success. It means something, but not in isolation of other things like nurturing a career, picking the right education, being purposeful and calculated in where you live and what you work at, etc. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:38:39 PM #62 | Balrog0 posted... s0nicfan posted...I'm sure the massive rate of single motherhood has nothing to do with it. You can't think of even a single reason why single motherhood might affect income level? Maybe it's because child support benefits are higher if the mother's income is lower. Maybe it's because raising children on your own requires more of your time which leaves less time for developing your career. Careers are very demanding and you aren't going to get a large income just because you have a degree. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:37:20 PM #60 | Balrog0 posted... and yet black women continue to have the lowest median income despite their success in school That is because college does not guarantee a higher income. Income is determined by a wide variety of factors. The type of degree, the years of experience, the city you're working in, the industry you're in, negotiation skills, impact to the company, etc. Seems like a non sequitur to suggest that a degree leads to a high income. And I think your response is a good example of why it's worrisome to treat "equitable outcomes" this way. You are no longer wanting fairness - you are wanting guaranteed and consistent outcomes for every single person. That is not the same as fairness, and that is where the issue lies in that organization we were talking about earlier. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:33:48 PM #54 | Ammonitida posted... Balrog0 posted...Ammonitida posted...And be sure to read more than just left-wing websites like Huffpost that ignore recent studies like this Interesting. I wonder if any of those studies you mentioned also point out facts like the number of black women graduating from college now. http://www.essence.com/2016/06/07/new-study-black-women-most-educated |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:29:28 PM #48 | Balrog0 posted... yeah, I just quoted what they consider an equitable outcome. Do you think it would be bad for race to stop determining socioeconomic outcomes so strongly or something? If the way that we implement that is by forcing outcomes to be equitable, then yes, that is immoral and would lead to the collapse of the entire country. There are good ways and bad ways to achieve honorable goals. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Balrog0 posted... so you don't think people want this education campaign, even though people in this topic are saying they do I think that a BLM leader is not just some random person in Missouri espousing their own wish list. This narrative is common throughout BLM and the left in general, as it is consistent with their ideals on wealth redistribution, wealth inequality, etc. We must always interpret the undertones of an ideology in light of the entire ideology. In this case, BLM falls into what we can probably agree is the left, and we know a lot more about what the left wants. They want much more than just an education campaign where white people "acknowledge" some original sin of whiteness. That's just a precursor. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:25:09 PM #43 | Questionmarktarius posted... Antifar posted...https://www.vox.com/2015/2/18/8051345/black-white-hispanic-wealth-gapMoreover, even saving a small nest egg can render a family ineligible for federal benefits. In some states, saving up just one or two thousand dollars makes a family ineligible for programs like welfare or SNAP. When policy makes saving money dangerous, it makes wealth-building into a bad thing just the opposite of what low-income households need. And since the lowest-income Americans are more often minorities, this is one more factor that skews the nation's huge wealth gap. What's interesting is how the narrative on saving money and building wealth changes depending on whether or not the topic is about welfare. In this case, penalizing saving money and wealth building is deemed a bad thing. But in other cases saving money and building wealth are deemed bad things, to the point where some people advocate for a negative interest rate on savings accounts and higher taxes on passive investment. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:22:48 PM #41 | Balrog0 posted... where do they say that? the closest I saw was: http://www.centerforsocialinclusion.org/about/ Founded in 2002, CSIs mission is to catalyze community, government, and other institutions to dismantle structural racial inequity and create equitable outcomes for all. We craft and apply strategies and tools to transform our nations policies, practices, and institutions, in order to achieve racial equity. Balrog0 posted... like what kind of demands? https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ So far BLM has become brazen enough just for these types of demands, but if Zimbabwe and South Africa are any indication then it's just a slippery slope until property and wealth are seized through force and/or legislation. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:19:12 PM #35 | s0nicfan posted... pls posted...Balrog0 posted...there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this Yeah, and that's awful. It's not my problem if someone's outcomes are not as good as my outcomes, and it's not anyone else's problems if my outcomes are not as good as Bill Gates' outcomes. We can have equitable opportunity (and indeed we do have it for the most part these days) without resorting to that kind of immoral and hateful forced redistribution of wealth. Why even bother working if that's the direction the social narrative is going? If my future is just going to be about paying back someone in perpetuity for something I didn't do, why even put effort into building anything in this country? |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:17:05 PM #30 | FrisbeeDude posted... Santorin posted...FrisbeeDude posted...Joke topic I think he more just wants people to vocalize what they want, rather than hide behind articles and things like that. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:15:43 PM #27 | Balrog0 posted... and often what is required of white people is more or less just to acknowledge there are barriers that black and brown people face in many social spheres that white people don't I'm not convinced that anyone really wants just that. It's just a precursor to making large and expansive demands in the name of "racial equity." |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:12:31 PM #23 | Balrog0 posted... there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this I looked at the first link and it's a bit disturbing that they consider "racial equity" to mean "equitable outcomes" rather than equitable opportunities. It makes that BLM article I shared seem much more real. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:05:51 PM #15 | Santorin posted... joeywheeler posted...We do but you guys dont listen and stay in your bubble. A lot of us get tired of explaining the same only for it to go unheard I already provided you with the answers. https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 2:03:48 PM #12 | glitteringfairy posted... Equality isn't the end goal It certainly seems like this is the undertone of the ideology as a whole. Especially if we look at how these movements have progressed in other countries. |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
| pls 10/12/17 1:59:06 PM #8 | Antifar posted... Stuff like this: Their reason for why Asians are not included is pretty awful. Surely there's data out there that paints a more complete picture. Antifar posted... I can't speak for everyone, but I think more redistributive policy is a good first step towards ending these gaps. Antifar posted... Acknowledgment that a problem exists and for it to be taken in mind when considering policies. So basically you want this: https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ |
| Topic | Serious question. All this talk about racial inequality but no one is specifying |
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| Topic | USA to withdraw from UNESCO due to its anti-Israeli stances |
| pls 10/12/17 1:47:11 PM #3 | Mal_Fet posted... Well yeah, why should we support an organization that is pro-Palestine We shouldn't, especially not one that is so flagrantly anti Israel. |
| Topic | USA to withdraw from UNESCO due to its anti-Israeli stances |
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| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 12:50:58 PM #56 | Bitcoin will never be $100k |
| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 12:26:11 PM #52 | Balrog0 posted... clearaflagrantj posted...No more fucking government bailouts to companies, no more loaning out money made of thin air, this is a fucking utopia in the making. A currency owned by the people, decentralized. It's the type of wishy-washy poppycock nonsense that cryptocurrency enthusiasts tell one another so that other people will keep buying and driving up the bubble. |
| Topic | Foiled in Congress, Trump Signs Order to Undermine Obamacare |
| pls 10/12/17 12:24:12 PM #8 | _OujiDoza_ posted... including sales of cheaper policies with fewer benefits This doesn't seem like a bad idea. Some people don't need or want the full package. |
| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 11:24:13 AM #41 | courier_nv posted... clearaflagrantj posted...I bet plenty of people were claiming the Internet wouldn't be a big deal either. The internet had an obvious purpose. Cryptocurrencies don't. |
| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 10:55:43 AM #38 | clearaflagrantj posted... This dude is literally calling btc a bubble then recommends REAL ESTATE. Jesus f***ing christ how are you actually this dense. Real estate can be in a bubble but the model isn't inherently a bubble. |
| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 10:29:48 AM #31 | It's a bubble. There's no inherent value to those tokens. If you want to invest money, buy index funds or real estate. |
| Topic | Dude throws 8 targets, shoots them all before they hit the ground >_> |
| pls 10/12/17 9:45:41 AM #2 | This reminds me of that one archer who throws up some targets and hits all of them before they hit the ground. |
| Topic | Bitcoin breaks $5,000 |
| pls 10/12/17 9:44:07 AM #22 | mortimerjames posted... new age pyramid scheme Yep. |
| Topic | How do the anti-refugee types live with themselves? |
| pls 10/12/17 9:41:53 AM #100 | Open question! Is it generally perceived as anti-refugee or anti-immigrant to believe that there are ecological and economic limits to how many people any nation can take in? |
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