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Medzzz
10/14/19 9:24:47 PM
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TrowaBarton7
10/14/19 9:24:58 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.
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pls
10/14/19 9:26:40 PM
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TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.
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Hexenherz
10/14/19 9:31:22 PM
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TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Is this the book that the government collects 100% of the proceeds from?
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hockeybub89
10/14/19 9:35:41 PM
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China is just the fucking worst. They need a goddamn revolution. I wish the world was less greedy and would completely boycott Xi's government

pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch
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pls
10/14/19 9:37:51 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch


Should've anticipated that @hockeybub89 would Whataboutism and deflect away from China's organ harvesting and gulags.
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Hexenherz
10/14/19 9:39:03 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbis-use-of-foreign-surveillance-tool-violated-americans-privacy-rights-court-found-11570559882

Let me know if they ever rule something like that 'illegal' in China or the Russian Federation lol
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hockeybub89
10/14/19 9:41:56 PM
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pls posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch


Should've anticipated that @hockeybub89 would Whataboutism and deflect away from China's organ harvesting and gulags.


I knew this would happen and was updating my post: China is just the fucking worst. They need a goddamn revolution. I wish the world was less greedy and would completely boycott Xi's government

Just because somebody whatabouted didn't mean you had to make a bad take like "At least America's mass surveillance doesn't kill people"
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pls
10/14/19 9:42:23 PM
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And now hockeybub89 is literally doubling down.
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Rexdragon125
10/14/19 9:42:35 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
It starts with using a general term like "the rich" and the goes from there. Stereotype an entire group of people - race, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. Then you have a group of people you can throw blame on whenever you want.
And then we have people here who generalize the poor, saying stuff like they wouldn't be poor if they weren't so lazy, or mentally ill, like systemic or generational poverty doesn't exist
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hockeybub89
10/14/19 10:19:15 PM
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pls posted...
And now hockeybub89 is literally doubling down.

You are literally responding to my posts. Speak to me directly ot shut the fuck up.

I was responding to a post of yours, not the idea that China is a evil shitstain. China is far worse than America
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pls
10/14/19 10:26:59 PM
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hockeybub89 still literally trying to detract from the topic by making it about anyone but China. JFC.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/15/19 3:21:35 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
China is just the fucking worst. They need a goddamn revolution. I wish the world was less greedy and would completely boycott Xi's government

pls posted...
TrowaBarton7 posted...
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden/dp/1250237238

Read Snowden's new book. The U.S.is performing mass surveillance activities and such on its own citizens.


Let me know when the U.S. imprisons people for speaking against the government and harvests their organs. Shut the fuck up.

Well I guess mass surveillance is perfectly ok if the government doesn't jail and murder you based on what they watch
That's easy, you can just stop buying anything with the "Made in China" label. Even if it costs you more personally.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/15/19 3:23:28 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
My grandfather was executed for the crime of having an advanced college education, which was considered unacceptably bourgeoisie in the cultural revolution because it meant he had an unfair advantage over the common workers, who were the real heroes of the revolution.

So of course my mom's employment Hukou file (a government-owned file that determined if and where you were allowed to work that is never shown to you) was marked "dissident" and she was banned from college and any major occupation.

And that's the era Xi thinks was China's golden age
If I ever gain a time machine, I'll be sure to rescue your GrandPa =D
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onedarksoul
10/15/19 3:41:19 PM
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There are many in America who'd like to see it here, as long as it gets rebranded of course.
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1337toothbrush
10/15/19 11:28:10 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Squall28 posted...
The idea that being well off is a crime is such bullshit. That's why I can't stand this board's hate for the rich.

You can hate exploitation and tax loopholes, but don't just hate someone just because they are doing good well.


It's why I get riled up when I see this stupid-ass class conflict socialist/communist drivel.

Because it's not funny. My grandfather fucking died because people believe that shit. A man who spent his life engineering public utilities, killed because it wasn't fair that he had more knowledge than rice farmers.

This shit isn't a joke. Just like racist, white supremacist Trump extremists are a real thing, hardcore classical socialist types really do believe the bourgeoisie should be eliminated by any means.


Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich
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pls
10/15/19 11:32:47 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich


You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that.

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1337toothbrush
10/15/19 11:36:22 PM
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pls posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich


You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that.

What a ridiculously stupid slippery slope fallacy.
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Darmik
10/15/19 11:37:45 PM
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Well on the bright side Watch Dogs 4 could have a cool setting
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LightningAce11
10/15/19 11:38:36 PM
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Time for them to take a page out of France's history book.
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pls
10/15/19 11:40:44 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
In her case back in Mao's regime it was in fact true that they did kill off intellectuals.


Because they considered intellectualism to be a "class antagonism" designed to hold back the proletarians.

Literally anything can be considered a class antagonism. You have simply no way of knowing what the dark underbelly of communist revolutions will consider a class antagonism.

One minute you're a comrade and there's solidarity, next minute you're about to be executed after years in a gulag.

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KamenRiderBlade
10/15/19 11:47:40 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
pls posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich


You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that.

What a ridiculously stupid slippery slope fallacy.
Fact of the matter, it happened! So the slope isn't so slippery and it isn't a fallacy.

It's historical fact and you're trying to brush it aside.
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pls
10/15/19 11:50:08 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
What a ridiculously stupid slippery slope fallacy.


It literally happened.

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Darmik
10/15/19 11:53:29 PM
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Which political parties are pushing for more publically available tertiary education?
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pls
10/15/19 11:54:40 PM
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Here comes Darmik with one of his signature stretches.

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1337toothbrush
10/16/19 12:11:17 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
pls posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich


You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that.

What a ridiculously stupid slippery slope fallacy.
Fact of the matter, it happened! So the slope isn't so slippery and it isn't a fallacy.

It's historical fact and you're trying to brush it aside.

The circumstances are completely different you disingenuous hack.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/16/19 12:14:58 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
The circumstances are completely different you disingenuous hack.
You say that now, but we all know where this is going.

We know what you want.
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Darmik
10/16/19 12:18:06 AM
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pls posted...
Here comes Darmik with one of his signature stretches.


pls posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Being college-educated =/= being a billionaire leech

Taxing the rich =/= killing the rich


You completely missed her point. The people in Mao's camp started out with your lofty ideals but eventually devolved into the extremists she mentioned. The feedback loop and inherent paranoia in Marxism ends up causing that.



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1337toothbrush
10/16/19 12:27:44 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
The circumstances are completely different you disingenuous hack.
You say that now, but we all know where this is going.

We know what you want.

You don't know anything.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/16/19 1:10:27 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
You don't know anything.
You seem to act like you know what's best for the rest of us.
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bobbaaay
10/16/19 1:30:10 AM
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And here in America we don't need government surveillance because every self important citizen feels a need to be a vigilante and create constant civilian surveillance, phones ready to record
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