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| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 1:56:55 PM #416 | Balrog0 posted... legendary_zell posted...I just mean they'd be fine with it, none of us actually have a list. I don't think in terms of normal or not normal, I think in terms of whether they're acting in good faith or whether their actions fit the situation. I'm not trying to sanctimonious here, so I apologize if I am coming across that way. You're one of the best posters on this board. But there's a difference between doing something everyone actually knows is unacceptable and serves no purpose vs. choosing a marginally acceptable way to do something valid and with an important purpose. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 1:34:28 PM #391 | Balrog0 posted... legendary_zell posted...You also seem to have a list in your head of typical and atypical pre-date actions, and this is weird because it's not on your list. It's on other people's lists though. I just mean they'd be fine with it, none of us actually have a list. I don't think in terms of normal or not normal, I think in terms of whether they're acting in good faith or whether their actions fit the situation. For me, this clearly would. I doubt this is the first time in recorded history this has happened and I bet there have been mixed reactions. Some probably reacted like the guy in the story, others didn't take it personally and probably got laid and went on to have 6 kids and become President. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 1:26:39 PM #382 | Balrog0 posted... legendary_zell posted...I'm not understanding the strong distinction you're drawing here So you're saying an atypical action being performed at the beginning of a social interaction is what's so offputting? Maybe that's the case for you, but for the people in this topic and the original guy, it definitely seems to be about the offense. You also seem to have a list in your head of typical and atypical pre-date actions, and this is weird because it's not on your list. It's on other people's lists though. I think in the context of a date between two people that have never met each other, this license plate thing is far more acceptable than a fart or other similar action because it's not meaningfully different from other precautions taken in front of a date. We can disagree about that of course. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 1:13:46 PM #126 | Sephiroth1288 posted... legendary_zell posted...How don't they when people of certain classes and races weren't allowed in those schools? What are you on about? I'm talking about legacy admissions, not the present. Legacy admissions are based on legacies, as in the past. Who was at the school previously. Certain groups weren't allowed previously because of their race. Therefore legacy admissions necessarily discriminate against those races. They weren't allowed to build legacies. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 1:00:07 PM #331 | Balrog0 posted... legendary_zell posted...But I probably would have, considering the other things I've seen. None of which I took offense to. I have had women directly say they were telling their friends where we were or their friends were expecting them back at a certain time. Not too different, we went on to have a great date, no offense taken. I'm not understanding the strong distinction you're drawing here. She's still making what some perceive as a direct implication that you're dangerous. What extra element is taking the picture adding and how is it comparable to farting? --- |
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| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:47:54 PM #308 | Balrog0 posted... legendary_zell posted...I don't think the license plate thing is weird at all. I would actually find it funny. I haven't encountered this specific thing, mostly because I don't have a car. But I probably would have, considering the other things I've seen. None of which I took offense to. I have had women directly say they were telling their friends where we were or their friends were expecting them back at a certain time. Not too different, we went on to have a great date, no offense taken. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:43:07 PM #300 | DuranOfForcena posted... legendary_zell posted...I directly addressed this already. It's not about him an individual or his propensity to harm anyone. It's about blanket precautions You are having an extreme emotional and political reaction to innocuous statements, desperately trying to draw outrage and anti-man sentiment from every word. You're doing exactly what you probably despise feminists for doing. Chill. She's not saying anything about men. No negative preconceptions of men are required. No assessments of the propensity of men to be violent is necessary. She's saying TO HERSELF, that she wants to take precautions when meeting a stranger and partially putting herself under their control. Just yesterday, I went to meet a potential male roomy on Craigslist and I took a bunch of similar precautions. Does that mean I believe all men are rapists and I thought this guy in particular would lock me in his shed as soon as I met him? --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:37:51 PM #290 | Conflict posted... You guys are pretty much shitting on your own arguments when you say "anyone who is more bothered by X than me is not well adjusted" I see exactly why someone would be offended. It's based on a misconception of what is actually being said. In fact, nothing is being said, it's not a communication, it's a safety measure on the part of one person and that's it. I see how someone could interpret it as a personal insult, but that interpretation is simply wrong. It's not wrong to say a well adjusted person would understand what's actually happening or that even if they misunderstood, they wouldn't overreact and say "this woman is calling me a rapist, date ruined!" --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:32:06 PM #277 | CanuckCowboy posted... legendary_zell posted...that wouldn't offend most well adjusted men in the first place I directly addressed this already. It's not about him an individual or his propensity to harm anyone. It's about blanket precautions. Yes, she could have not said it to his face, but judging by the people offended by it, it's a pretty good weed out mechanism (not that she should purposefully offend people). I don't think an empathetic person who really understands the creepers women deal with would have any more problem with this being done secretly vs openly because they know it already happens and they know it's necessary and they know it's not an indictment on them. Do you take issue with women calling/texting friends and giving info on their date/plans/location before the meeting? What about secretly sending your exact location through the phone? What about secretly taking a picture? Why is it suddenly such a huge insult when you're open about what you're doing if you agree these other things are not insults? --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:25:28 PM #123 | Sephiroth1288 posted... TheFuzz3451 posted...Butterfiles posted...hopefully they look at legacy admissions as well How don't they when people of certain classes and races weren't allowed in those schools? You can't be a legacy unless previous generations were allowed there. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:18:40 PM #259 | DuranOfForcena posted... Leanaunfurled posted...I'd tell them it does no harm to me and to take what precautions until they're comfortable with me. Then again I'm not a thin skinned twit that can't think logically. As someone already said it doesn't really go both ways. What's at stake for each person isn't equal at all. Potential rape, kidnapping, assault and enduring victim blaming if you manage to get away is not equal to some people feeling mildly offended at something that wouldn't offend most well adjusted men in the first place and even if it did, is still purely a perception of what someone thinks of you. That's not same thing both sides, dude. --- |
| Topic | Man shames woman on first date after she sent his car plate number to a friend |
| legendary_zell 08/03/17 12:15:19 PM #253 | I don't think the license plate thing is weird at all. I would actually find it funny. I'm really surprised so many would take it as a personal insult. You're fine with people doing stuff like this secretly(as they constantly do because dangerous world + victim blaming) but it's some huge affront when they tell you about it? It's the same thing and the intent is the same. To protect themselves. I thought intent was the only thing that mattered when it comes to offending people and being offended is bad? One thing to note is that it has nothing to do with the guy as an individual. It's just that in any situation where a woman meets a strange guy, regardless of what his Facebook says or how he seemed online, it's a vulnerable situation, especially if he gives the ride. So doing this isn't accusing him of anything, it's a general safety precaution taken because he was normal enough to go out with, but the situation itself calls for certain measures. If y'all have female friends/family, I urge you to actually talk to them about their online dating experiences and the precautions they take and why. Then look up the comments people make when they believe a woman didn't make "sufficient precautions" and something bad happens on a date. It'll become very clear why someone would do this and it's not something to be personally offended by. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 10:50:22 AM #103 | C7D posted... legendary_zell posted...Annihilated posted...It's really satisfying to see the leftist trolls getting triggered by practical egalitarianism. Really shows off their true character. Yes, you and I both made it, but the race still wasn't even close to fair and that's the real issue. Focusing on individual achievements that have always existed ignores how fucked up the system was. A few people during slavery and Jim Crow made it despite the odds. A few people from Hell town, West Virginia make it. But they are the exception to an unfair rule. --- |
| Topic | ICE to consider charging sanctuary city leaders with smuggling!! |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 10:46:31 AM #181 | I don't know why you're quoting me. I'm talking about the law, not about sites or their reliability. That said, it's not surprising that people who want city officials jailed for their stances on immigration support the views of a website with anti illegal immigrant views. The doesn't bolster the credibility of that site at all. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 3:30:48 AM #92 | Lorenzo_2003 posted... legendary_zell posted...There's tons of factors that differentiate a Chinese, Indian, or Nigerian immigrant from a kid in Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. I'm an immigrant, why would I downplay the struggles of immigrants? I'm FULLY aware of language and cultural barriers to success. I dealt with them myself (not so much the language barrier though). What you're saying is simply not true though. A US native student who was living in one of the housing projects destroyed by Hurricane Katrina is not necessarily privileged in relation to an immigrant. They will face a lot of the same issues and a lot of different ones. One group faces language and cultural barriers. Another faces generational poverty and the legacy of racial and class discrimination over centuries. Go to the 5th ward of Houston sometime. It's a truly eye opening experience. When I came to the US as a child, we didn't have much of anything. We lived in a house with 12+ people, my dad rode his bike to work at McDonalds etc. We were the immigrants you're talking about. Yet we were 10x better of than the people in the 5th ward who were facing generational poverty, segregation, disconnection, crime, and hopelessness like you wouldn't believe. They are living in tin shacks and apartments that violate every housing code ever devised. Immigrants at least have family/community to share burdens or hope or previous education or SOMETHING. The people living 10 minutes away from luxury apartments in downtown Houston on the other hand had nothing and no one they knew had anything either. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 3:18:00 AM #90 | Transcendentia posted... legendary_zell posted...People can overcome all of this, but it's rare and relatively difficult because things are NOT equal and it is NOT a meritocracy out there. I personally was lucky enough to switch to a more "competitive high school, and get good test scores, but I could have done significantly better if my parents had more money. There would be no change in my actual intelligence, but I would appear to have more "merit". But because of their income, no reliable car, crappy middle school and high school, no prep classes, no extracurricular that required money, etc. AA based on race and class accounts for this. Yep, we've definitely had this exact conversation before. My core message is that a non-defeatist attitude is no substitute for a fair system. Yes, you were able to make it out, but the gate was incredibly narrow for you to do so, unnecessarily so. You had to run a gauntlet. A lot had to go right for you to make it considering your circumstances. If your parents lost their jobs or got sick, you're probably not here. You could have been shot or put into juvi for defending yourself in a fight. On the other hand, even though you're happy with your success and you should be, an alternate you with more resources, maybe your success would have been multiplied even though you're still in possession of the same brain. Again, I'm not opposed to hard work. I'd tell everyone to work hard and say that hard work is generally necessary for success, but focusing on that or not having a "victim attitude" and ignoring the systemic issues that overwhelmingly decide who succeeds and fails is unhelpful and short sighted. It turns the highly contextualized lives of high school students into a context less series of outputs (GPA, SAT, ACT) and a morality play about whether they "worked hard enough". Meanwhile, a student living in a housing project with lead in the paint, mud, and water and attending a dangerous, crappy, and de-facto segregated school, in a de-facto segregated neighborhood is told to just work harder and get better grades if he wants to go to a good college. Maybe he could, but that's not the real issue. That's his chance to get out and there's obstacles in his way that must be acknowledged under any fair system. You get what I'm saying? --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 3:05:38 AM #87 | How do you explain minority immigrants who come to America and succeed more than everyone else, including whites born here? How do you explain whites who didn't benefit from any accumulated wealth but who still did well in school? I am one of those. I'm pretty sure we've already talked about this. Please don't use my experiences for your political purposes. We have this same exact conversation every time. People who come from other countries face challenges, but not the same as the ones from the US. Though they come from poor countries, they were probably doing pretty well over there or they generally wouldn't be allowed entry, other than refugees and lottery winners and I don't know how well they're doing. They are some of the most driven people on the planet because they were willing to leave everything they've ever known (a likely big point of disagreement is that I believe you can't expect or require this from people, very few have this mindset, it comes from desperation and a new lease on life through immigration, it's not an on-off switch), they often have family networks of established people (when my family came we lived rent free with cousins for example), they have not been beaten down by generations of segregation and discrimination within a specific area, etc. There's tons of factors that differentiate a Chinese, Indian, or Nigerian immigrant from a kid in Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. There's also many immigrant groups that aren't doing too hot even within groups that are stereotyped as doing well. As for whites, many people who don't "feel" rich and are not rich often have way more wealth than blacks and hispanics and that skews things in their favor. You may not be rich, but maybe your parents could qualify for the GI Bill and were able to buy a house that builds wealth, while others couldn't based entirely on race. That said, class alone can have a big effect and white people such as those in the Appalachians can be affected by many of the same dynamics that hurt people of color and they're not doing too well at all, even if a few make it out. That should be taken into account, but a "pure meritocracy" wouldn't acknowledge that in any meaningful way. There's always a few people who do well regardless of the situation they're in. These people had no advantages of any kind. But you can't run a system by pointing to these people and saying everyone should just do that. Because the fact of the matter is, 99 percent of people are not gonna do that and can't under a pure meritocracy because the spots will already be filled by others who had all the necessary advantages. --- |
| Topic | ICE to consider charging sanctuary city leaders with smuggling!! |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 2:47:33 AM #169 | It's illegal to be here illegally, but it's not a crime. There's lots of things that are against the law, but are not crimes...for example, most of the civil code. Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor, but many undocumented immigrants didn't even do that. And if they did, that's a misdemeanor, I don't see most people getting so bent out of shape over much worse, violent and fraudulent misdemeanors. They broke the law, that doesn't make them bad people or "illegal" or worthy of disdain or mistreatment. In addition, aiding and abetting is a term of art with an actual legal meaning. You as lay people are either ignorant of that meaning or twisting it for your own political purposes. To aid and abet, you have to have the intent to aid or encourage the commission of a criminal act. You have to actually aid the person in the offense. You'd have to prove they intended for the person to enter and remain here illegally and they helped them do so. Just not reporting something even when you have the full power to report it isn't aiding and abetting. It's not even accessory after the fact. It's already been established by actual lawyers that there is no duty of state executive officials to run federal programs or help with federal initiatives. The feds can't enlist state officers to do federal jobs. This is from the Supreme Court people. You asserting otherwise doesn't make it so. State officers do not have to or want to be forced to become federal immigration enforcement. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 2:35:11 AM #83 | Zeeak4444 posted... The problem with "best man for the job" arguments is that it's not usually the best man for the job. It's usually whoever is good with standardized testing and book knowledge. Another good point. Let's look at the factors that go into "meritocracy", especially for undergraduate admissions. Going to a "competitive" high school (generally meaning richer, whiter, or something you get accepted to through a lottery, highly affected by racial and economic segregation and privilege) Standardized test scores which (heavily affected by socioeconomic status, ability to afford prep, social capital of parents) Jobs and Extracurriculars (affected by things like availability of a reliable car, time, parental income). People can overcome all of this, but it's rare and relatively difficult because things are NOT equal and it is NOT a meritocracy out there. I personally was lucky enough to switch to a more "competitive high school, and get good test scores, but I could have done significantly better if my parents had more money. There would be no change in my actual intelligence, but I would appear to have more "merit". But because of their income, no reliable car, crappy middle school and high school, no prep classes, no extracurricular that required money, etc. AA based on race and class accounts for this. Blindly taking the so called "best applicant" ignores all of this and the factors that contribute to these inequalities. It perpetuates those inequalities and justifies them further and further with each acceptance and rejection letter. --- |
| Topic | Justice Department to take on affirmative action in college applications |
| legendary_zell 08/02/17 1:58:37 AM #81 | Annihilated posted... It's really satisfying to see the leftist trolls getting triggered by practical egalitarianism. Really shows off their true character. In what sense is this practical egalitarianism? In the present day, the schools the different racial groups attend are not close to equal in funding, teacher quality, safety, class offerings or achievement due to racial and economic segregation and housing based school funding/school assignments. This is due to historical patterns of the same issues. Success in higher education is most closely associated with parental wealth and whether parents went to college, and then the quality of education received. This individualistic, "meritocratic" view is more of a morality play than any type of practicality. Getting rid of AA is literally just rewarding the groups that secured power for themselves over the generations at the expense of the people trying to slowly pull themselves up. I have STILL never heard anyone find a way to meaningfully dispute the footrace analogy without attempting to muddy the waters with "we all have problems" rhetoric. If there is an endless marathon and some runners are beaten and handcuffed for 80 percent of the race, while other racers are allowed to run relatively free is everything "fair" the moment the handcuffs are taken off? Or would thinking that way ignore the obvious effects of the past on the present and ignore the unfair accumulated advantages some have gotten even if they haven't beaten anyone? Wouldn't the only fair thing to do be to give the formerly restrained people at least a tiny boost even though we overall are now committed not help or hinder any groups. And wouldn't calling the race fair be a farce? Well that's why we had AA in the first place. --- |
| Topic | ICE to consider charging sanctuary city leaders with smuggling!! |
| legendary_zell 08/01/17 10:22:22 AM #41 | First, undocumented presence isn't a crime. Even illegal entry is a misdemeanor. Second, nothing these leaders are doing fits any reasonable definition of the felony of human smuggling. So you guys are fine with elected officials being jailed for crimes they did not commit because of your political opposition to them? --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/24/17 8:27:30 PM #301 | Sage JJ posted... legendary_zell posted...Sage JJ posted...Ammonitida posted...Mark_DeRosa posted...It takes two people to have a baby, both should have a say and right to do what they choose http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/UPS-Settles-With-Maryland-Woman-in-Pregnancy-Discrimination-Case-330305251.html http://www.spigglelaw.com/employment-blog/6-newsworthy-pregnanacy-discrimination-lawsuits/ All from within 15 seconds of googling "pregnancy discrimination cases" --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 9:57:30 PM #256 | Sage JJ posted... Ammonitida posted...Mark_DeRosa posted...It takes two people to have a baby, both should have a say and right to do what they choose It's very common for people to have to quit their job after pregnancy, getting replaced while pregnant, being fired due to pregnancy....that's why laws had to be passed against it on the federal level and there are court cases over it daily...wtf is this? --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 6:58:25 PM #239 | BTW, this does nothing to solve the core problem of people being forced to provide for or pay for children they do not want. Under this law, a woman can be forced to carry and give birth to a child because a man wanted it, lose custody rights, but still have to pay for a child that she never wanted. People seem to forget that child support payments are awarded to whoever happens to have custody of the child, it's not a tax on men as it's often portrayed. So we've created a situation where one side has to bear every negative consequence of child birth other than raising the child. They lose their bodily autonomy AND 18 years of payments. That's a more unfair outcome than anything that can happen to either party in the current system. It is piece of evidence number 1 trillion that child support and reproductive rights are separate issues with separate solutions. If you have a problem with people being forced to pay for children they have no relationship with, fix that, you'll find a lot of support. Don't conflate child support with reproductive rights and fix an unrelated problem by controlling women's bodies. --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 5:28:13 PM #209 | Sayoria posted... _Goggalor_ posted...Nice to see equality in action. Now fathers haves the right they deserve, at least in Arkansas. Another great point. Can you imagine how the people screaming for "equality" and arguing against "slavery" because of having to make unwanted payments would react if a woman could force them to carry a child for 9 months and then care for it for 18 years? Isn't that slavery too? --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 4:27:05 PM #203 | Y'all should seriously be pushing for increased orphanages, increased adoption, increased taxpayer funding for welfare and SNAP, lower taxes for those with children, something rationally related to having the children provided for by a source other than you, making it easier to terminate parental responsibility proactively, anything rather than demanding an "equal" part in an unequal process and the right to control someone else's body so you can have a child or so you can avoid paying for one. --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 4:12:46 PM #201 | Men can have equal rights to control someone else's body when they have equal burdens. There is no way to say men have equal burdens. At the maximum burden, men will make unwanted payments. There is the fundamental difference here. A man's "equality" in this case requires the woman to carry and give birth to a child against her will, fully depriving her of control over herself and putting her health and safety at risk. The woman's decision does not affect his control over himself, it affects his finances at most. As for these child support and false rape arguments, they are entirely separate from the question of whether a woman has ultimate control over her body and reproductive choice. Any law giving a man any type of veto power completely destroys that and allows the man to use her as an instrument of his exclusive wishes. In many states, a man can already disclaim his parental rights and responsibilities BEFORE the child is born. You can also deny paternity and parental responsibility if the sex was not consensual as long as you affirmatively plead that. If you live in a jurisdiction where you can't do that, lobby to get that discrete legal issue fixed. Don't use the boogeymen of child support and women "crying rape" to deny women the right to control their bodies. For the thousandth time, they're separate issues. --- |
| Topic | Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion |
| legendary_zell 07/22/17 4:03:04 PM #197 | It's as simple as this folks. 9 months of forced pregnancy + 18 years of forced motherhood far outweighs 18 years of unwanted payments or even losing the ability to force someone else to undergo the 9 months + 18 years. That's why the woman gets the final decision in terms of abortion and that's the only rational, non-monsterously intrusive way to do this. Any other outcome is requires the state to deprive a woman of her bodily autonomy or a child of sustenance for the actions of their parents. This law forces women to be used as incubators for 9 months based on the wishes of someone who does not and never will have to carry the child. This law is based on a horrible alliance Christian anti-sex morality and irrelevant MRA child support rhetoric and a disrespect for the bodily autonomy of half the population. --- |
| Topic | what is was the most important event in US history? |
| legendary_zell 07/21/17 2:43:43 AM #56 | Civil War Great Depression Changing to Articles of Confederation Entering WW2 Probably either the Civil War or Entering WW2. One changed our system of government and society drastically and set the stage for all future civil rights movements in the US, both in terms of rhetoric and legal mechanisms. The other set the stage for American political and economic dominance throughout the century after Europe suidcided and the cold war. --- |
| Topic | Hawaii considering armed rangers to deter homeless people. |
| legendary_zell 07/19/17 12:58:02 AM #76 | JohnLennon6 posted... There are people who can barely afford shitty places to live, and you're going to tell them that homeless folks are going to get the SAME quality housing but for free? Why act like you care about those living in the slums? You'd likely tell them to get a better job if they want a safe/nice neighborhood. You are simply using the as a weapon against a group you like even less. --- |
| Topic | Best friend cheats on his long time girl/guy, he confides in you, still friends? |
| legendary_zell 07/18/17 1:59:21 AM #38 | Are people saying that you're not truly besties with people unless you're willing to lie to innocent people and stick up for them even when they're blatantly in the wrong? What do you even do to defend them in that situation? They're guilty as charged, if their significant other calls them a snake in front of me, am I supposed to say they're not? Am I supposed to lie to someone's face for them? --- |
| Topic | Reddit alt-right shit show going full blast over Australian shooting |
| legendary_zell 07/17/17 3:46:25 PM #9 | CruelBuffalo posted... https://twitter.com/lenubienne/status/886977360096104448 Well a lot of these people have hysterical beliefs about BLM. They think it's a terrorist group that is also openly black supremacist and always thinks that every police shooting is motivated by nothing but race and they only care about white on black shootings. They've set BLM up as this ridiculous strawman while not noticing they're getting closer and closer to being viewed as strawmen themselves when BLM members act like non-demons. --- |
| Topic | Reddit alt-right shit show going full blast over Australian shooting |
| legendary_zell 07/17/17 3:39:32 PM #3 | Samurontai posted... I don't get the rights hard on with the police There's two main explanations for this. The first is that a lot of conservatives are okay with huge, invasive government, as long as it's for law and order/security type stuff. They view that as government's main role. So police/military overreaches don't trigger their small government senses while things like subsidized school lunches do. Number two is that a lot of them lean towards authoritarianism and they like shows of force, especially against criminals and "undesirables" or really whoever their attention is directed towards at that moment. --- |
| Topic | Is there a white equivalent to the black barbershop culturally ? |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 6:15:46 PM #32 | TheFireRises posted... bookmakers I'd say the golf club is obviously upper class, but the other two are more lower class. A good black barbershop is used by everyone with hair that doesn't want it butchered by Supercuts. --- |
| Topic | Is there a white equivalent to the black barbershop culturally ? |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 6:09:54 PM #29 | TheFireRises posted... legendary_zell posted...It's where you talk about gossip, music, sports, politics, celebrity stuff, life in general. You hear about events in the community. Everyone goes there, rich or poor and you see the same people there for years, maybe even decades. That's what people mean when they say it's cultural. It's definitely not just a place to get your hair cut. Those are all significantly more specialized by class and don't have the community element. Of course they share some characteristics. --- |
| Topic | Is there a white equivalent to the black barbershop culturally ? |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 5:51:49 PM #16 | It's where you talk about gossip, music, sports, politics, celebrity stuff, life in general. You hear about events in the community. Everyone goes there, rich or poor and you see the same people there for years, maybe even decades. That's what people mean when they say it's cultural. It's definitely not just a place to get your hair cut. --- |
| Topic | Fun details about new GOP healthcare plan |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 1:59:34 PM #30 | DifferentialEquation posted... legendary_zell posted...Antifar posted...Manocheese posted...What's the alternative? Force young, healthy people to buy expensive insurance that they don't want or need? This has nothing to do with death panels. This is a dispute between parents and doctors about the best treatment for a patient. This could and does happen anywhere there is such a dispute. The government isn't deciding not to pay because of financial concerns. --- |
| Topic | My priest friend: 'Prejudice against gay people shouldn't be called homophobia.' |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 1:31:40 PM #29 | UnfairRepresent posted... legendary_zell posted...This is the dumbest argument I constantly see online. Phobia has long and maybe always included irrational aversion, not just fear. Just because fear is the most common synonym for or explanation of the meaning of "phobia" doesn't mean that's its entire meaning. Yes, if the only argument against the term is that phobia doesn't include irrational dislike. That's different from the argument about whether the fear or dislike is rational and when Islamaphobia applies. But what would you call it when Sikhs are beaten up because they're suspected of being Muslim? If that's not an irrational fear or aversion to Muslims simply because of their religion, I don't know what it is. --- |
| Topic | Fun details about new GOP healthcare plan |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 1:28:57 PM #19 | Antifar posted... Manocheese posted...What's the alternative? Force young, healthy people to buy expensive insurance that they don't want or need? But....DEATH PANELS. I seent em in Cuba and Canada, I sware. --- |
| Topic | My priest friend: 'Prejudice against gay people shouldn't be called homophobia.' |
| legendary_zell 07/15/17 1:20:34 PM #25 | This is the dumbest argument I constantly see online. Phobia has long and maybe always included irrational aversion, not just fear. Just because fear is the most common synonym for or explanation of the meaning of "phobia" doesn't mean that's its entire meaning. --- |
| Topic | Is calling a black man "boy" racist? |
| legendary_zell 07/14/17 11:05:23 AM #134 | Antifar posted... Gonna leave this here This. He's a savvy guy when it comes to stirring the pot, he chooses his words carefully forum maximum rustling and publicity. He likely knew exactly what he was doing. He's not some innocent Irish rube. Even if he was, he's doubling down on the same language. It's also very clear that CE's history education is blatantly inadequate when it comes to anything beyond "MLK freed the slaves forever ago so bootstraps" --- |
| Topic | Is calling a black man "boy" racist? |
| legendary_zell 07/14/17 1:15:22 AM #112 | Solid Snake07 posted... There's really no justification to say this was racist other than the fact that Conor is white and Floyd is black. In fact calling it racist comes across as kind of racist..... I don't understand this mindset. The context was one of condescension, you can look at his actions both before and after the fact. It clearly has a racial connotation to it. No one is saying the word is in all contexts racist or even that it's always racist when said by a white person to a black person. Context is key. People are only saying it's literally one of the most common words of racial condescension and has been for centuries. They are also saying in the context (spoken by a white man who wants to be controversial and get a rise out of his opponent without dropping N bombs and has the defense of "he's foreign", fervent supporters, and people refusing to see racism that doesn't involve burning crosses), there's a pretty good chance it was racist. Whether it was or not, it was certainly reasonable to think it was, in light of all the circumstances and thinking so doesn't make one a "reverse racist" --- |
| Topic | Trump Raising Age Limit For Tobacco Consumption to 25 Years Of Age |
| legendary_zell 07/12/17 3:54:02 PM #24 | That's not even how our system of government works. Where's the legislation? The regulatory action? Even an executive order? Anything? The president can't just declare sweeping policy changes like this. And also, this is literally actual fake news. --- |
| Topic | This NEW Terrifying FURRY SPIDER has been found in IRAN!! Does it Scare you?? |
| legendary_zell 07/10/17 11:28:01 PM #11 | WizardPowers posted... Living in a cold climate kinda sucks but at least there are no bugs or spiders for like half the year Actually, you were the spiders all along. --- |
| Topic | a BETTER "How many artists can you recognize from this list?" |
| legendary_zell 07/09/17 4:32:14 PM #33 | Courtney Barnett is actually pretty famous and popular right now. I've heard her music playing in 60 percent of thrift shops and dive bars I've been to over the last few years. --- |
| Topic | a BETTER "How many artists can you recognize from this list?" |
| legendary_zell 07/09/17 4:28:09 PM #29 | Courtney Barnett Unknown Mortal Orchestra Panda Bear Ariel Pink Liars Allah-Las Black Moth Super Rainbow Twin Peaks Deap Valley Sunflower Bean Holy Wave Froth Mr. Elevator Pretty much all from Spotify recommendations and playlists. The only ones I'd expect people to know are the first 3. And probably John Cale, though I didn't recognize him to be honest. --- |
| Topic | Do you think being really funny is an overrated quality in a guy? |
| legendary_zell 07/04/17 12:39:46 PM #24 | iosifsvoboda posted... being able to make jokes is a sign of Intelligence and intelligence is $$$ --- |
| Topic | Do you think being really funny is an overrated quality in a guy? |
| legendary_zell 07/04/17 12:39:32 PM #23 | Lmao, guys. It's the great equalizer. You can always go broke or get out of shape but you shouldn't lose your sense of humor. --- |
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