Current Events > Kaepernick SHOOTS HARD on Independence Day

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cjsdowg posted...

Yet he didn't say anything untrue .

He simply didnt say anything.

There was no message. No direction. No enlightening observation. Just a call for more racist separation garbage. July 4th is about everyone. I am a member of the villainous "you" hes addressing, and I havent done shit.

Colin thinks the "Us and Them" line is drawn somewhere in society along racial and political lines, and its simply not. Thats what the Nazis wouldve told you.

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

There was no message. No direction. No enlightening observation. Just a call for more racist separation garbage. July 4th is about everyone. I am a member of the villainous "you" hes addressing, and I havent done s***.

Umm, he said he doesnt want to celebrate until everyone is equal. Its pretty easy to understand really.

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I love how easy it is for this guy to rustle jimmies
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I Like Toast posted...

So still nothing about white supremacy. Got it. Did your history class skip over we treated the Irish like shit too?

It's a celebration of the country existing. What it did shitty and what it did great. There is a reason civil rights movement started in America and spread across the globe. That is just as much apart of the 4th as the shit you're trying to spew. The notion that because the country isnt perfect means it's a celebration of white supremacy is the kind of bullshit that makes you as ignorant as a trumper

Did you read the link? Yes or no? The Irish being treated badly does not help you, it further proves my point. The country proudly professes liberty while denying it to every new group and many old favorites. From Jewish people, to Indigenous people, from the Irish and Italians, to the black people and LGBT people. From the beginning up until the present day. The holiday very much does not just celebrate the country existing and you know that because you contradict that in the next sentence. It is very much not a celebration of the shitty things because anyone who mentions those things on this day will be shouted down, much as Kaepernick is. It's a day of national glorification of our civic ideals, just like independence day is anywhere else. Those ideals are great, and that's exactly why it's so sad that their denial has always been ignored on this day.

"Isn't perfect" doesn't describe a country that held people in bondage and proclaimed liberty, bombed them and lynched them to stop them from voting and proclaimed democracy, segregated them into impoverished ghettos and then proclaimed equality. It's not ignorance, it's simply the mindset that follows when you take history in its entirety. You can't have the standard version of July 4th hot dogs and fireworks without whitewashing history and what's happening as we speak.

I love this country and would never even think of living anywhere else. It's given me so many opportunities. But it has a catastrophic, lifelong problem with believing it's own hype and burying the negatives. I want to help the country live up to its hype.

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Kaepernick is a true hero.
He sacrificed his career for us.


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Lol not surprised Toast is one of those "but the Irish" people
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MutantJohn posted...

Lol not surprised Toast is one of those "but the Irish" people

For real. I've never seen Irish oppression mentioned except as a bludgeon against people talking about slavery. It's basically the original All Lives Matter card.

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We have the rest of the year to focus on all the negative values this country has.

We can have one day out of the year to atleast acknowledge the good.

legendary_zell posted...

The Irish being treated badly does not help you, it further proves my point

Weird your point is that it's a white supremacist holiday, which you've done nothing to support.
legendary_zell posted...

The holiday very much does not just celebrate the country existing and you know that because you contradict that in the next sentence

It's almost like what I said was qualified to mean exactly what I said. It's a celebration of the country's existing. which is inclusive of the entity of the country. Not just the good, not just the bad. And not just the horseshit said to make you look as illogical as a trumper saying that any imperfection means you're celebrating white supremacy. I guess that means you're celebrating white supremacy with your imperfect argument.

Colin could have had a point about the 4th being a celebration of freedom but because all people aren't equally free. That is a sound and logical argument. The argument that it's a white supremacist holiday, that you are agreeing with him on. Has no basis in reality and why you can't actually support it any way shape or form. By making this statement and pushing it the only thing you accomplish is further alienation.

You want people to go, "huh that is a good point" not go, "what a dumb fucking thing to say". You want to spark conversation not to drive people further into their trenches because you're accusing people of being white supremacist with no grounds, logic, or rationale train of thought.

If you can't support the statement that it's a white supremacist holiday. Then you can't claim what he said was factual. What you can claim is he had a good point and completely missed the landing.

And go figure you have no response for how America, even despite its current flaws and being no where close to being done, is a giant part of why minorities are treated better globally than they were just 60 years ago.

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legendary_zell posted...

"Isn't perfect" doesn't describe a country that held people in bondage and proclaimed liberty, bombed them and lynched them to stop them from voting and proclaimed democracy, segregated them into impoverished ghettos and then proclaimed equality. It's not ignorance, it's simply the mindset that follows when you take history in its entirety. You can't have the standard version of July 4th hot dogs and fireworks without whitewashing history and what's happening as we speak.

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

Which is why in my opinion people like Kaepernick are just kill joys looking for every excuse they can to hate on the country, spread negativity and do everything they can to make others feel, and do the same.


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Fireworks are annoying as fuck. We should ban them for being a celebration of white supremacy.

Prismsblade posted...

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

LMAOOOOOO

America doesnt own up to shit. 2020 and we're still fighting over the Confederate flag and its "heritage"

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I Like Toast posted...

Weird your point is that it's a white supremacist holiday, which you've done nothing to support.

It's almost like what I said was qualified to mean exactly what I said. It's a celebration of the country's existing. which is inclusive of the entity of the country. Not just the good, not just the bad. And not just the horseshit said to make you look as illogical as a trumper saying that any imperfection means you're celebrating white supremacy. I guess that means you're celebrating white supremacy with your imperfect argument.

Colin could have had a point about the 4th being a celebration of freedom but because all people aren't equally free. That is a sound and logical argument. The argument that it's a white supremacist holiday, that you are agreeing with him on. Has no basis in reality and why you can't actually support it any way shape or form. By making this statement and pushing it the only thing you accomplish is further alienation.

You want people to go, "huh that is a good point" not go, "what a dumb fucking thing to say". You want to spark conversation not to drive people further into their trenches because you're accusing people of being white supremacist with no grounds, logic, or rationale train of thought.

If you can't support the statement that it's a white supremacist holiday. Then you can't claim what he said was factual. What you can claim is he had a good point and completely missed the landing.

And go figure you have no response for how America, even despite its current flaws and being no where close to being done, is a giant part of why minorities are treated better globally than they were just 60 years ago.

The core of my argument is this: the central form of inequality we've had and continue to have is white supremacy. It's the form that's shaped our history more than anything and the one that almost destroyed the country in the Civil War. Because of that, July 4th is a celebration of freedom that does not belong to everyone and is not enjoyed by everyone. It affirms a freedom that does not exist. And July 4th has not been celebrated as what I suggested, a time to look back on who was not free and equal and to fix that in the future and going forward. It celebrates the freedom that exists at the time. And since it can only be affirming the freedom that exists, it is affirming white supremacy. I'm not accusing anyone of being a white supremacist or the holiday of being inherently white supremacist. Odin's Day or something like that, if that exists, is a white supremacist holiday. Independence Day is this:

"I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought life and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth [of] July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony.

I am saying that people are not paying attention to history or their surroundings. In the future, people will shake their heads and tut at the idea that we unironically celebrated the 4th of July while mass incarceration, segregation, and the wealth gap still existed, while we expected black people to be fine with confederate flags and statues, and while we told them to get over slavery while ignoring Jim Crow and not fixing the effects of slavery. They will see that we were hypocritical and had blinders on, just like Frederick Douglass and countless others saw and how many see it now.

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Prismsblade posted...

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

Which is why in my opinion people like Kaepernick are just kill joys looking for every excuse they can to hate on the country, spread negativity and do everything they can to make others feel, and do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hidrH_jQ0L4

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Prismsblade posted...

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

Which is why in my opinion people like Kaepernick are just kill joys looking for every excuse they can to hate on the country, spread negativity and do everything they can to make others feel, and do the same.

First, there are some that own up significantly better than we do. Germany owns up to their dark past in a far more real way. They gave reparations to Holocaust victims and are still doing so, have omnipresent memorials, ban the type of party that led them to oppress people, learn about the Holocaust thoroughly in schools etc. Meanwhile here, people are still taught that the Civil War was about states rights, people have extreme blind spots in their knowledge of history that leads to ignorance about things like the Tulsa Massacre, 1927 Mississippi Floods, redlining, and countless other issues. We are also thought a theme park version of history that yada yada yada's through slavery and reconstruction, says Rosa Parks refused to sit down and MLK gave a speech, some laws were passed and then racism was vanquished forever.

That's not even talking about how people don't acknowledge what's going on today. How the exact same population that's was targeted for slavery, KKK terrorism, lynchings, sharecropping, and Jim Crow is now the victim of the War on Drugs and Mass Incarceration. The same country that has always prioritized having some way of controlling the black population now has huge number of black people in prison and will send 1/4 black men to prison in their lifetime, and people seriously believe that's unrelated to all of the previous forms of oppression.

None of that is owning up to our past. Just describing it as our past is not owning up to the reality of how things are today.

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legendary_zell posted...

Prismsblade posted...

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

Which is why in my opinion people like Kaepernick are just kill joys looking for every excuse they can to hate on the country, spread negativity and do everything they can to make others feel, and do the same.

First, there are some that own up significantly better than we do. Germany owns up to their dark past in a far more real way. They gave reparations to Holocaust victims and are still doing so, have omnipresent memorials, ban the type of party that led them to oppress people, learn about the Holocaust thoroughly in schools etc. Meanwhile here, people are still taught that the Civil War was about states rights, people have extreme blind spots in their knowledge of history that leads to ignorance about things like the Tulsa Massacre, 1927 Mississippi Floods, redlining, and countless other issues. We are also thought a theme park version of history that yada yada yada's through slavery and reconstruction, says Rosa Parks refused to sit down and MLK gave a speech, some laws were passed and then racism was vanquished forever.

That's not even talking about how people don't acknowledge what's going on today. How the exact same population that's was targeted for slavery, KKK terrorism, lynchings, sharecropping, and Jim Crow is now the victim of the War on Drugs and Mass Incarceration. The same country that has always prioritized having some way of controlling the black population now has huge number of black people in prison and will send 1/4 black men to prison in their lifetime, and people seriously believe that's unrelated to all of the previous forms of oppression.

None of that is owning up to our past. Just describing it as our past is not owning up to the reality of how things are today.

But the Irish
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I4NRulez posted...

Umm, he said he doesnt want to celebrate until everyone is equal. Its pretty easy to understand really.

What does everyone is equal mean?

Are we talking about everyone having the exact same possessions as everyone else, or is it about achieving an even breakdown of racial groups into every job? Maybe something else?

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

What does everyone is equal mean?

Are we talking about everyone having the exact same possessions as everyone else, or is it about achieving an even breakdown of racial groups into every job? Maybe something else?

I have some suggestions about what it could mean? But this is just silly old me:

1) Stop disproportionate harm inflicted by the justice system, starting in schools and ending with the death penalty. It happens at every step inbetween

2) Desegregate neighborhoods and schools and stop having education be determined by tax revenues

3) Stop having race or party based voter suppression and gerrymandering because in practice, they amount to the same thing in many places.

4) Fixing the wealth gap that was cause directly by measures aimed at enforcing white supremacy by investing in black individuals, families, and communities.

Until at least those 4 things are done, there will not be any form of actual equality, which yes, does have to do with material equality because resources lead to opportunities. That's well understood, and yet that understanding seems to be lost or become controversial when race is brought up. It doesn't mean having the exact same possessions or workplace quotas, those are strawmen. But it will in fact require change that many would consider radical.

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legendary_zell posted...

Until at least those 4 things are done, there will not be any form of actual equality, which yes, does have to do with material equality because resources lead to opportunities. That's well understood, and yet that understanding seems to be lost or become controversial when race is brought up. It doesn't mean having the exact same possessions or workplace quotas, those are strawmen. But it will in fact require change that many would consider radical.

@legendary_zell
Thank you for taking time to write an explanation. I will have to think more on them, though Number 2, specifically desegregation, already confuses me a bit. It conflicts with the comment about workplace quotas being a straw man. Anyway, Im glad to consider a different perspective. Thanks again,

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Kaep continues to be a loser

yemmy posted...

Bro when you got Stephen A Smith calling you out

Since when has Stephen A Smith, paid to act like an annoying loudmouth buffoon almost daily on ESPN, been a spokesperson for anyone, or was that just the first black guy you could find that disagreed with Kaepernick

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Whole lotta racists itt getting them tags.

Kaeps right, and if you disagree, youre a bitch.

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EnragedSlith posted...

Whole lotta racists itt getting them tags.

Kaeps right, and if you disagree, youre a bitch.

Reported

legendary_zell posted...

First, there are some that own up significantly better than we do. Germany owns up to their dark past in a far more real way. They gave reparations to Holocaust victims and are still doing so, have omnipresent memorials, ban the type of party that led them to oppress people, learn about the Holocaust thoroughly in schools etc. Meanwhile here, people are still taught that the Civil War was about states rights, people have extreme blind spots in their knowledge of history that leads to ignorance about things like the Tulsa Massacre, 1927 Mississippi Floods, redlining, and countless other issues. We are also thought a theme park version of history that yada yada yada's through slavery and reconstruction, says Rosa Parks refused to sit down and MLK gave a speech, some laws were passed and then racism was vanquished forever.

The holocaust being one of the single worst atrocitys of all time that the world knows and will never forget is likely why Germany handled it the way they did. Meanwhile how many other countrys acknowledge their history of slavery? Or the numerous other sins of their past?

In regards to the confederacy the only reason they still exist is becuase....
*They had a timeless symbol(the confederate flag)
* For better or for worse(depending on perspectives)The north didnt wipe them out completely, both in lives, and the history books.

legendary_zell posted...

That's not even talking about how people don't acknowledge what's going on today. How the exact same population that's was targeted for slavery, KKK terrorism, lynchings, sharecropping, and Jim Crow is now the victim of the War on Drugs and Mass Incarceration. The same country that has always prioritized having some way of controlling the black population now has huge number of black people in prison and will send 1/4 black men to prison in their lifetime, and people seriously believe that's unrelated to all of the previous forms of oppression.

There......can be a myriad of reasons for it though so even if people acknowledge it they may not come the same conclusion as you. Their feelings toward criminals may also be a factor. Some have sympathy while others have zero tolerance.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

@legendary_zell
Thank you for taking time to write an explanation. I will have to think more on them, though Number 2, specifically desegregation, already confuses me a bit. It conflicts with the comment about workplace quotas being a straw man. Anyway, Im glad to consider a different perspective. Thanks again,

Thanks for actually reading, responding and considering. That's rare nowadays and deserves credit. Let me clarify the desegregation bullet point. Segregation is caused by housing policies and patterns. That feeds into the school system. Those two combine to lower the life chances of black people and create experiences for white and black people so meaningfully different that they can't agree on basic facts on what life is like in America because they live separate lives in large part. American history pretty clearly shows that as long as school assignments are based on residency and as long as Supreme Court precedent still says you can't use racial quotas/reassignments in schools, housing segregation has to be tackled first. That can be addressed through getting rid of restrictions on multifamily buildings and other forms of zoning with a disparate impact, dramatically increasing the stock of affordable housing, greatly increasing enforcement of anti-discrimination laws, and increasing investment in both majority black and majority white areas so that it's not all sticks and no carrots for white communities and people can feel comfortable staying in their current communities.

Then you can tackle the schools by increasing the general funding of schools, decoupling school funding from racialized factors like zip code and wealth, utilizing strong federal incentives to voluntarily desegregate within X number of years etc.

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legendary_zell posted...

Thanks for actually reading, responding and considering. That's rare nowadays and deserves credit. Let me clarify the desegregation bullet point. Segregation is caused by housing policies and patterns. That feeds into the school system. Those two combine to lower the life chances of black people and create experiences for white and black people so meaningfully different that they can't agree on basic facts on what life is like in America because they live separate lives in large part. American history pretty clearly shows that as long as school assignments are based on residency and as long as Supreme Court precedent still says you can't use racial quotas/reassignments in schools, housing segregation has to be tackled first. That can be addressed through getting rid of restrictions on multifamily buildings and other forms of zoning with a disparate impact, dramatically increasing the stock of affordable housing, greatly increasing enforcement of anti-discrimination laws, and increasing investment in both majority black and majority white areas so that it's not all sticks and no carrots for white communities and people can feel comfortable staying in their current communities.

Then you can tackle the schools by increasing the general funding of schools, decoupling school funding from racialized factors like zip code and wealth, utilizing strong federal incentives to voluntarily desegregate within X number of years etc.

Thats a pretty detailed list of things to consider. I will refrain from throwing out a knee-jerk response. This is will take a while to unpack.

Thanks again.

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Maybe I should pass this along to my black neighbors who were out celebrating...

EnragedSlith posted...

Whole lotta racists itt getting them tags.

Kaeps right, and if you disagree, youre a bitch.

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ohiostate124 posted...

Reported

^ Let's all point and laugh at this triggered racist, lol.

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Kaepernick's bilogical mother is white, so according to his tweet he enslaved himself.

Imagine carrying water for this dumbass.

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Hes a stupid fuck. None of us enslaved his ancestors.

meanwhile every day women are grabbed and forced into sex slavery human trafficking. But he wont say shit about that because it doesnt fit his agenda

DontHateMe posted...

shut the fuck up

Lmao @ that suspension.

SackorPick is an Uncle Tom and it's sad people hang on his every word.

Have we gotten to the fact thar Kaep wore a Castro tshirt while he was in an interview in Miami, and praised him as a leader? Or have we not mentioned that yet?

because its just such a hilarious meme. There are plenty of other actual good activists to hitch your wagon to, not the attention whore whos girlfriend called ray lewis an uncle tom and who loves to praise dictators while in the city with the most populous cuban refugee count in the country.

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PRIVILEDGE!

*signs deal with Nike, basically supporting their sweatshops*
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Dude is a total fraud who only cares about money.

Never seen people triggered so much

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So he assumes that because someone is white that their ancestors had slaves? Sounds racist to me

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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Never seen people triggered so much

It comes so easy to these sad, pathetic racist salt-right types.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I am equal opportunity.

I ignored Trump's speech.
I'll ignore Kaepernick's as well.

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ohiostate124 posted...

Booker T. Washington was propped up by prominent white people in his day because he was "safe". He knew his place therefore he wasn't threatening to the status quo. He didn't think that blacks should try to achieve higher education and should instead focus on learning trades in order to win the respect of whites. It's no wonder why W.E.B Dubois, one of the preeminent scholars of his day (not just among black people) disagreed with Washington.

Washington urged blacks to suck it up and accept discrimination for the time being. Mind you this was during a time where blacks were Jim Crow was in full effect and blacks being brutalized with impunity.

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Ok let me put this perspective

Let's say you are a backup QB in the NFL
-gets blackballed for kneeling
-make huge campaign around it, even involving Nike
-have your agents reach out to NFL owners multiple times, until they schedule to send scouts for 31 teams to watch you workout to possibly sign you back into the NFL
-the very same morning that this workout was supposed to take place you alert the NFL that there was a change of plans and that instead of going to the Mercedes Benz stadium to do your workout that you will be throwing a ball around a high school venue that is over an hour away.
-oof strawmanning me because I used Stephen A Smith as an example of one person calling out Kaeps BS while not refuting any real point I made.

CE gonna CE

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ohiostate124 posted...

Ah yes, the Uncle Ruckus of his day.

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AlmightyCheeks posted...

So he assumes that because someone is white that their ancestors had slaves? Sounds racist to me

I don't think that's it chief
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ohiostate124 posted...

Prop up all the Uncle Ruckuses all you want. Rationalize your racism six ways to Sunday. Fall back on your "black friend" defense.

We still see you. We'll never stop calling you out.

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ohiostate124 posted...

The lesson of "this guy had the same views as me during the Jim Crow era" is not what you think it is.
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Finis-XII posted...

Prop up all the Uncle Ruckuses all you want. Rationalize your racism six ways to Sunday. Fall back on your "black friend" defense.

We still see you. We'll never stop calling you out.

Reported for racism

The lesson of "this guy had the same views as me during the Jim Crow era" is not what you think it is.

lol absolutely buried

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MutantJohn posted...

lol absolutely buried

Lmao. Not buried whatsoever. You all are just ignorant.