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I'm leaving CE again, This shit literally disgusts me and makes me feel ill

You're sounding disgusting

Like you're really showing your true colors here, damn. What the fuck dude?

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There's no reason that shit needs to be shared online unless you're literal human trash looking for clout and trying to abuse your power.

Strongly disagree. I think it's worse than ever, with reality television shows, fan "armies," Youtube and Twitch elevating people to different tiers of celebrity, etc.

I also mentioned in the one music thread that this generation likes to cherrypick their musical tastes rather than hype fixating on specific genres. People are more a fan of specific artists than actual genres, which I see as a form of celebrity worship.

_Rinku_ posted...

This movie was played very straight. I'm tempted to try to look up the title but I'm not sure I can mentally handle that right now. I'm not the edgelord that teenage me was lol

Maybe you're thinking of Aftermath. It's basically just a shock film. Kissed is more like a romantic drama.

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The point is nobody should be targeted and have themselves shared online without their consent. Ever. It's not about teaching lessons when it's irreversible once it's online. Even if a lesson is "learned," the repercussions never cease to exist.

I also didn't say in all cases drug abuse is directly correlated to SES, but I'm saying in cases where it is. It's similar to the joke "i'M noT LibErAl, I'M LefTisTs" make about "liberals" being classist towards poor people in rural areas. It's very, very similar and not shows their lack of self awareness.

I also am not comparing anyone to toddlers. I don't think anybody should be targeted with digital vigilantism - drug dependent, drug free, mentally stable or unstable. Everybody should be given fair ground to defend themselves and ample space to better themselves and learn -- but people who are under the influence of a mind altering substance or can't think clearly at the moment should not be treated as though they're in complete control of themselves. That's not offensive or treating anybody like a toddler. You sound like some crazy ass libertarian conservative right now with some personal responsibility bullshit. If somebody's mind is literally altered at the moment that's not fair grounds. The dementia example is a great example of that.

And if a person's drug abuse stems from being a coping mechanism for dealing with poverty - then yes, it's incredibly classist to target them specifically.

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I mean - if you're going to say something like that, should we just go ahead and make elderly people with severe dementia "totally accountable" for dumb or ignorant shit they say? You can tell a lot of people who are recorded in videos in public freak outs have signs of drug abuse or untreated mental disorders. To answer your question simply - yes, that should be a get-out-of-jail-free card. They should just be ignored - not instigated further. It's likely a fragile person thrashing in a corner and not a certified bully.
To give a real life example - there was a dude who lived in the town I grew up in who had his entire family die in a barn fire. As an adult he carried around a photo of a family member and a photo of Elvis Presley - and he'd talk to them in public, oftentimes having screaming "arguments" with them. When I was a kid we thought this was the funniest shit ever, and I've heard stories of other people going so far as to provoke him - usually leading to him threatening violence. He was incredibly unstable. Even if the dude was an asshole a lot of the time - what good would provoking him or trying to make him "accountable" do?

If people claim the point of recording people in public is teaching them a lesson or holding them "accountable," what lesson is being taught to someone who requires a lot of special attention to actually change? People who have bigger shit going on that they need help changing? The whole idea of "teaching people lessons" is just some excuse - because in most cases that's not at all the sincere end goal of people recording. They usually just want to get some clout or exert their own power and influence over others. You can temporarily embarrass a person or confront them without making it a public spectacle online. I've done it plenty of times with people treating workers poorly.

If you don't get adequate B12 in your diet, if you lack adequate intrinsic factor, you have pernicious anemia, or you had a portion of your bowel removed that's responsible for absorbing B12.

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I also said in some examples. It's a common-ass thing for "I'M a LeFtISt Not LiBeRal" people. Same goes with military and how recruiters target low-income areas with the promise of free education, and the percentage of people who enlist who are POC. Same goes with defending digital vigilantism and doxxing people online for their ignorant actions in public, when plenty of times those people being filmed are victims of mental illness or substance abuse.

It's fine to hate the concept or hate the system - but when you're ignorantly projecting that hate onto individuals you're bound to commit some accidental racism or classism.

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The reasons people dislike landlords are usually exaggerated caricatures and those people need to touch grass

mario2000 posted...

"My experience is indicative of everyone's"

Not what I said. I'm saying that people who say those things are referring to specific types of landlords or corporate entities and not the actual concept itself. It's short sighted and super willfully ignorant.

The whole landlord thing with "I'M A lEfTisT NoT LibErAl"s online is so insanely corny, paints a sweeping generalization, and *surprise surprise* is classist or racist in some rare cases.

Sure gentrification and slumlords are bad, and big corporate entities buying up properties solely for speculation or exploitation are bad - but smaller renters are not an issue. I honestly love that I don't have to worry about yard work, repairs, upkeep, etc. and I have someone else do all that shit for me. Even before I lived at an apartment - the couple my ex and I rented from were always there when I needed them, they were always on top of paying for repairs or reimbursing anything that her and I did, etc. That's a huge weight off my shoulders. My girlfriend and I are terrible with time management and keeping up with basic chores -- I can't imagine how much worse it would be if we were home owners and had to deal with bullshit like cleaning gutters, routine maintenance, etc. Plus it'd cost a lot, lot more to be paying independent contractors for all those services privately.

As for the classism/racism thing -- my friend/coworker rents from an older immigrant who was literally just a handyman before he moved here to the US, and his English is really poor. Renting is utilizing his skillset and giving him reliable income - when he's struggled to keep employment otherwise here in the US. He also isn't living high on the hog, abusing his power, or neglecting his renters at all.

hard nay

Videodrome: 9.6/10
Dead Ringers: 9.2/10
A History of Violence: 9/10
Scanners: 8.3/10
The Brood: 8.1/10
Existenz: 5.7/10

She's broken because she BElieVEd

I'm mostly Polish. Kinda indifferent about it. I love sauerkraut pierogi and potato pancakes, though.

BignutzisBack posted...

Counterpoint: Gabagool

point taken.
Americans just eat triple cheeseburgers, Asians are just poors that eat silkworms -- but nothing compares to this cheese that smells like dick that hasn't been washed in two months, and is made with the bacteria from my great nonna's dirty feet. Just add some black pecka and it's perfetto

for doing shit that they chastise Americans for doing.
Like I see people constantly saying you're an asshole for making fun of Italian's pride and love of their food, as if food isn't an important part of all cultures -- and when that nationalist pride is treated totally differently in the context of the United States.

They can sit there and make totally classist comments about food, like talking about the *preservatives* in food - as if their entire countries in Europe aren't the size of some medium-sized states in the US. Food literally has longer to travel in the US - it's not a difficult concept to grasp. The most commonly used preservatives are things like ascorbic acid anyways.There's this huge willful ignorance of food science in general - like additives where in studies the amounts needed to consume are hundreds or thousands of times greater than what we typically consume are banned in Europe, so it must just be Americans intentionally harming themselves or something.

Or America aside, they'll make fun of Asian countries for eating insects, or make jokes about Asian countries eating bats and dogs and shit. Hell - the whole idea that spices are for those in poverty and that quality should "speak for itself" is some horribly classist attitude that's super European and has even been adopted by Euro-worshipping Americans in the "fine dining" community.

Then acting like local food or privately owned businesses don't exist in the US - cause it's "all McDonalds"? Like every single grocery store and farmer's market doesn't have a bakery? Nope - we all just eat Wonder Bread here. Or when they say that American cuisine is derivative - as if we're literally not a nation built upon immigration and annexing our indigenous people? Stuff like soul food, Cajun, Creole, etc. are distinctly American and you're not going to properly find them anywhere else: they're an amalgamation of various influences and utilizing what's regionally available, and differ enough for their source material to warrant their own categories. Then the hypocrisy involved when you talk about how tomatoes and potatoes and many other plants literally came from South America and Europe claims them as their own?

We talk about America like we're the big, bad imperialists. Which - sure. But Europe were the OG imperialists and are guilty of so much of the same shit, even if many of the countries currently have better social programs. They still have just as much classism, nationalism and national pride, and prejudice as the United States. And Greece and Rome really were the bad guys in Western history -- but we paint them as "the birthplace of civilization" blah blah blah.

Online Europeans are literally just a bunch of hooligans committing crimes, seeing America committing crimes and pointing their finger at them to skirt responsibility for their own transgressions.

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My own thoughts, being 36, wholly detached, and haven't been to a punk or hardcore show in like 10 years:

Nothing has ever died. Although I don't get into music like I used to - there's still relevant music in nearly any genre, as someone else in the thread already stated. There's still plenty of hardcore music being made, plenty of Kinsella-inspired emo music and midwestmo stuff, plenty of lame metalcore and deathcore bands (many older bands even changed their styles and have wide commercial success, like Bring Me the Horizon and Pierce the Veil and whatever else), djent bands, pop punk revival stuff (even with big commercial names attached), dozens upon dozens of offshoots of rap and hip hop subgenres, lame indie rock/indie rock adjacent stuff -- some of which are insanely commercially successful bands like that Maneskin band, tons of indie pop/folk pop type stuff that's still incredibly popular, and (embarrassingly enough) people are still making folk punk music. That's just like touching the iceberg of stuff that I'm aware of.

Yes, it's true that you listen to "modern alternative" stations and they're still playing stuff from like the late '90s and '00s -- but there's still some new music that's insanely popular. Even with rap music it's such an exciting time with artists like Kendrick, Megan, J Cole, etc. (among many other artists that could arguably be in that category) in the last 10-15 years making some of the best music the genre's ever seen. Women rappers in particular have been killing it the last five or so years. People who deny this are just bringing boomer energy and refuse to like anything new.

Even on TikTok and other apps - there's this weird, lame late '90s revival going on right now - and we're seeing newer artists drawing influence from nu metal bands, and bands that had been mostly irrelevant in the mainstream for almost two decades (like the Deftones) suddenly having huge resurgences of popularity.

My only major complaint about the newer generation is that between a weaning relevance of message boards (outside of Reddit), the chokehold streaming services have on peoples' perceived music selection (as well as fewer and fewer people using filesharing programs, the DMCA making Google blog search null, etc.) - I feel like so many people cherry pick a ton from different styles and genres and there isn't the same hyperfixation you'd see with Gen X and Millennials. My coworker who has like 8 kids, all ranging from like 12 to 23, said they don't have the same concepts of like "posers," "guilty pleasures," etc. like older generations had -- and people moreso like artists than genres.

random_man9119 posted...

Stuff like this is great advice... But kind of useless if you don't even get matches to begin with... Which I'm sure I'm not the only one with that reason for hating daring apps...

I guess I've never used tindr. My experience is more through back when OKCupid was a thing and through sex/adult dating sites.

I thought mine was neutral, but my girlfriend said it's slightly positive.

I'm not reading this whole thread. But I will say I disagree a ton about them being bad.
I literally would've had zero dates and had sex zero times (aside from craigslist casual, etc.) if it wasn't for dating sites. I would likely be a virgin and an incel at this moment if it wasn't for them.

Dating sites are great because you can get to know a little about a person from reading their bio. Offline you can't just assume a ton of shit about a person by just looking at them at a show or bar or wherever the fuck people meet people -- so you're likely required to small talk if you're approaching total strangers. As for people who aren't total strangers - there's a bigger fear or rejection and awkwardness, especially in workplace settings. You don't know how the other person will reciprocate because you don't know what exactly they're looking for without knowing them incredibly well; on dating sites you know everyone is either there for dating or sex, so you can assume those two things when engaging in conversation. Without that foreknowledge I'd be even less likely to talk or flirt with someone offline, especially if I fear it could be misconstrued as sexual harassment or create future awkwardness.

Like if you say you hate dating sites - what's your alternative? Because approaching strangers or rolling the dice with acquaintances offline is way, way more difficult and carries much bigger risk.

As for my advice with dating sites just ask questions, man. If there's anything in a profile that could prompt a question - use it. It gets your foot in the door and you'll be more likely to get a response and at least a shot at an ongoing conversation -- it also shows women that you're willing to take the time and listen. I'm fat and out of shape, constantly broke, barely ever made any money above the poverty line until a few years ago, put zero effort into updating my wardrobe ever, am not successful by anybody's standards, etc. or whatever other crap incels try and say guys need -- and I don't have any troubles online on dating sites at all.

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Thanks for that list! Didn't know about any of those other than this one, which I actually had recently put it on my watchlist. I've also had those Jodorowsky films to watch for a while now but haven't yet. Never heard of "Santa sangre" though.

Thanks! Take Shelter is incredibly sad and potent. Also Santa Sangre is on a tooon of streaming services and should be easy to find. I'm pretty sure it's on Tubi, HBO Max, and Hulu at the very least.

Escorts in really sketchy neighborhoods late at night when I was younger. Definitely had people scoping me out from motel windows. Left a few times based on bad vibes and always carried a knife on me.

Also - just adding to my Gen 3 dislike - I think Rayquaza/Groudon/Kyogre are the ugliest legendary trio and look way too busy with all their weird lines and shit. The Regis are also hideous and useless.

Hydreigon > Goodra > Kommo-o > Baxcalibur > Garchomp > Tyranitar > Dragapult > Salamence > Dragonite > Metagross

hot take here. I love Hydreigon - it's my favorite dragon type. Never was familiar with Goodra until Scarlet/Violet and it quickly became one of my favorites on my team, and I actually like its design. I think Kommo-o is unfairly hated, and I love its name since it's one of the things my girlfriend calls our cat, Kokomo. Baxcalibur is cool AF and I love ice types. Garchomp is aiiight but seriously love, love, love using him when playing randomizers/trying to nuzlocke. Tyranitar and Dragapult are alright. Salamence and Dragonite are basic and boring AF. I hate Metagross and don't understand its love (just like I absolutely HATE HATE HATE Blaziken. I kinda just hate Gen 3 and don't get why it's so beloved).

No. Even if I'm making double what I make - it's not worth the treatment from customers and society. Plus the jobs just suck and are emotionally draining - even moreso than mine in healthcare.

Machamp (no guard. Dynamic punch / knock off / stone edge / drain punch) big root
Heracross (moxie. Megahorn / endure / reversal / trailblaze) focus band
Emboar (reckless. Flare blitz / wild charge / head smash / low sweep) shell bell
(ACE) Meowskarada (tera-type fighting) (protean. Flower trick / play rough / foul play / brick break) Expert belt
Kommo-o (overcoat. Clangorous soul / aura sphere / dragon pulse / rest) throat spray
Hitmonchan (iron fist. Ice punch / power-up punch / mach punch / bullet punch) razor fang

https://youtu.be/KAwyWkksXuo

what about this one

Felidae (1994) - German animated film about a cat investigating cat murders happening in his new neighborhood.

Toto the Hero (1991) - a film about a guy recounting his childhood and his theory that he was swapped at birth to have a better life.

Santa Sangre (1989) - whenever people talk about Jodorowsky they always talk about El Topo or The Holy Mountain. I can't speak for El Topo - but The Holy Mountain is such a weird mess of symbolism without an easy to follow narrative. Santa Sangre is his attempt at a campy horror film and a much easier to follow narrative. Honestly one of my favorite horror films ever. It's about a boy who belongs to a circus family and watches his mother murder his father and his mistress and consequently has a mental breakdown that follows him into adulthood.

My Life as a Dog (1985) - very good Swedish coming of age film.

Kissed (1996) - a movie about a woman who works at a morgue and finds out she's into necrophilia. it's not played as a horror film or a shock film or anything, though - it's played totally straight, with romantic music and a tone of seriousness.

Take Shelter (2011) - really great film about mental illness. can't say much else without spoiling.

Sleeping Dogs Lie (2006) - overlooked Bobcat Goldthwait film about a woman who's about to get married and tells her fiance about how she fellated her dog one time out of curiosity in college, and after she tells him her life starts to fall apart. Not a bad film, but nobody ever talks about this film like they do God Bless America and World's Greatest Dad.

Ma Mere (2004) - very weird French film about a guy whose father dies and he gets into like, weird kink and sex counterculture stuff with his mother.

Social Misfits (2001) - a movie where tons of troubled kids with different legal and mental health struggles are locked up in a camp together. One good Letterboxd comment said it's like if Larry Clark made The Breakfast Club.

Bamboozled (2000) - my second favorite Spike Lee film that was kind of misunderstood upon release, but in recent years is starting to get a cult following and the respect it deserves. It's about a television writer who is trying to get fired so he writes a minstrel show for television, but instead of getting him in trouble it becomes a national hit.

Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer: Part 2 (1998) - the first film is a masterpiece and nails its atmosphere perfectly. This sequel is kind of like Pet Semetary 2, in that its ineptitude and just bonkers and off-the-wall acting and writing makes it a total fever dream.

The Manson Family (1997) - Jim Van Bebber's weird fake documentary/super gory re-enactment of the Manson murders from the perspective of each of the family members. It's one of my favorite horror films ever. Its only major flaw is the weird, very 90's Nu-Metal bookending with the mall goth kids obsessed with Charles Manson.

Pet Shop (1995) - I guess in the '90s Full Moon entertainment (Puppet Master films) tried making a smaller studio that focused on childrens' movies? This movie is a kid's movie about a pet store owned by aliens selling other aliens disguised as pets.

El_Lingo posted...

My dad got us to watch Harold and Mauve once. It was absolutely horrible. Somehow we managed to watch it until the granny banging part and my dad just turned it off in shame. I guess he had watched it a long time ago and forgot most of it lol

Harold and Mauve is probably the strangest, but Cuck is close too. I watched it with a friend as a bad movie to laugh at and it was seriously the worst movie watching experience I've ever had. You get to see a whole lot of incel hairy nipples and many MANY sad jerk off scenes. And don't even get me started on his nude grandma, I purged that from my memory.

If it was a gross out comedy movie then it would be one thing, but no, the whole movie is played dead straight.

I had the same experience with cuck. I wanted a comedy and came out confused as to how it took itself seriously

Nah. Only use Barrett and cid

Calipers, weight over time charts, and your eyes aren't expensive.

Anteaterking posted...

If there's anything CE likes more than fat shaming, it's taking some stance they perceive other people on CE to have and making a topic all about how they not only don't dislike something but actually prefer it.

Okay. I do concede to that. I do see that quite a bit.

catfan2008 posted...

this is a ce topic

Probably true, although the topic creator wouldn't be talking about UBW, unexpected weight-loss, unplanned weight-gain or anything like that as indicators - they'd probably just talk about muscle-mass, etc.

Anteaterking posted...

what a CEman thing to say

I know you're just trying to get a response out of me, but that doesn't even make sense. CE is so incredibly fat-shamey.

__starsnostars posted...

What would you choose between a 200 lb man and a 400 lb man?

I mean I know this is some shitposting kind of response, but 200 is like perfect for a dude. Being a bigger framed and somewhat taller man - when I was in my best shape that's about what I was.

catfan2008 posted...

What is the woman was 5'0

doesn't matter or change anything.

hit or miss I guess they never miss huh? got a boyfriend I bet he doesn't kiss ya

facts.

PepsiWithCoke posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/6/AAV-UTAAEXZW.jpg

I'm just picturing someone rubbing his crotch through those little pleather pants and him giving a sheepishly coy smile and tee-heeing.