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Smashingpmkns posted...

I think a good stance to take here is that the solution may not come from less guns, as that's almost impossible to enforce without impeding on someone's civil liberties, but the solution definitely does not reside in more guns.

Is it impeding? Or is it stating that like other rights, there are limitations to what extent they may be acted upon? After all, the first amendment does not protect sacrificial rituals, even if they are limited to animals sacrifices. That's not impeding upon liberties, it is a ruling that arose so as to protect others from it who do not or can not consent to such a thing. The first amendment also has restrictions like libel, slander and no protections when intentionally using speech to incite violence.

josifrees posted...

Build that wall to keep these welchers out

If this is the screen cap I saw from a year ago, the artist is Spanish.

Tmaster148 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Spooking posted...

Guns have been around for decades and we haven't had this level of mass shootings before. It was a rarity back in the day. What changed? The culture did.

I tend to agree that we had a culture shift and it is playing a role in this. I also believe that poor mental health + lack of mental health options + social stigmas + poor parenting is a formula for this, but this is just a layman observation.

If mental health was actually the problem. The US would have significantly more mental issues than other countries which it doesn't.

The US has decided to move away from safe gun ownership to please gun manufacturers who want to sell more guns.

Ding. It isn't that mental health issues are going untreated either that's the source, or else we would have had mass shootings at similar or higher rates for decades prior.

Asherlee10 posted...

Spooking posted...

Guns have been around for decades and we haven't had this level of mass shootings before. It was a rarity back in the day. What changed? The culture did.

I tend to agree that we had a culture shift and it is playing a role in this. I also believe that poor mental health + lack of mental health options + social stigmas + poor parenting is a formula for this, but this is just a layman observation.

Very few of these mass shootings have been carried out by anyone with a mental illness and when they had one, it was usually depression and most people with depression will only be violent towards themselves.

The issue is in fact cultural, as noted by several factors.

1) compared to his peers at the time, Ronald Reagan was still way crueler towards minorities by miles. This was followed by an increase in virulent views and stigmas against minorities over the next several decades and to the present. The views of the republican party nowadays is far, far, far to the right of where Reagan was.

2) decades of raising boys telling them not to cry and showing that the only acceptable emotion a man can act upon is anger. This has led to generations of men who can't cry or reveal any vulnerabilities, not even to their partners. This is also tied heavily to the fact that violence is glorified in our media, but mostly it's men who are being violent and towards those who have been perceived to have slighted them, regardless of how minor a slight it may have been. I am specifying men because they have committed all but 3-4 mass shootings. There's also a strong pattern among shooters of violence against others, particularly domestic violence against women (partners, parents, siblings).

3) echo chambers. Back in the 90s fox news won a court case that indicated they as a news network had no obligation to try and actually report on the truth, which was followed by that transformation where suddenly they and other networks like them have those "let's have 5 people sit around discussing the news but get off track to insult people" shows. Then there's the internet becoming widespread. And that has dark recesses and other, less hidden ones like 4chan. People can get exposed to ideas that send them searching for things that they end up accepting and they act on that anger, then end up deeper and deeper until they end up in areas that will radicalize them and make them completely unwilling to even acknowledge the same basic facts of reality as normal.

That all said, america in particular has a history of violence problems. The slave trade. Killing people who might be witches. Hanging of black people. Internment camps for Japanese citizens.

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Chicken posted...

You dont see mass shootings like this anywhere in the world

It does happen in other places in the world first of all. That aside, instead you see machete wielding maniacs, suicide bombers, traditional bombings, acid attacks, and people ramming crowds with vehicles all on a normal basis. Guess what, no matter the location, sick fucks will always find ways to be sick fucks.

Machetes don't kill nearly as easily as guns, most of the components for bombs are regulated, acid doesn't usually kill it permanently scars and maims if treated right away and oh it's not exactly easy to acquire, vehicles are heavily regulated.

You can't say "they will find another way" if those other ways have preventions, regulations or aren't as effective. Guns in the US don't even have their ownership tracked, nor can they be in some states.

Fishy posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Doing some reading, apparently it is VERY easy for people to scam artists like this, even when the seller has proof and everything. Paypal tends to side with the buyer in the majority of cases.

really? even after so much time? what are they like "whoops i forgot i hated this" and paypal is like "oh yeah sure dude np"

"This isn't what I paid for/ the quality is not up to the artist's standards"

And the latter is, in a twisted way like the guy is thinking, not entirely wrong.

Which is totally bs because they can succeed in doing so.

yusiko posted...

Ricemills posted...

because letting your son to go to mercenary school is a sign of good parenting.

helps train them for a future career.

A career? More like a one way ticket to being strung out on potions, converting triple triad cards into money to buy more potions. And still at level 1. For shame.

"I bought this sandwich 30 minutes ago and it's cold and half of it is missing. I demand you make me a new one with extra sides, or a refund."

Muaythai, you do realize violence is not a trait even uncommonly linked to autism? Being a victim of violence on the other hand IS commonly linked with autism.

Don't forget that whole "well regulated" part. Or the militia part. Or the state part. It means that they're meant for people to use and be trained in, to act in defense of the state should something meriting a response occur.

People saying "mental illness" without realizing that most mental illnesses and people with them aren't a threat to anyone besides possibly themselves, and that if properly treated even that isn't likely. Can't let anorexics have guns, I guess.

You know what strikes me as most odd? People saying we shouldn't limit gun rights in any way because the limitations will harm innocent people, not even if it means protecting kids. But because of a completely unfounded fear, most of those same people want to ban trans people from having basic rights or freedoms or even bathroom access, and to that end they will invoke the claim that it's to protect kids.

I guess trans women like myself are the REAL danger to kids, and not the easy and rapid access to guns that pervades our entire society in conjunction with our glorification of violence.

I also find it rather telling that I've never seen a man say that anyone convicted of domestic violence should be banned from gun ownership. And the reason isn't that domestic crimes are not felonious.

Meanwhile the US has third world conditions

So

Maybe don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house

Depends on the game but I've done so in the past. Multiple times in some games depending on the ease and how replayable they are.

The sudden acquisition of finances in excess of what is necessary to turn my life around, I must confess, is my deepest fear.

Guess I know what I'm reading when I get home

Sami1000 posted...

Vita_Aeterna posted...

Aren't we all?

We definitely are. There's no unconditional love.

Mr. Rogers but that's about it.

Pokemon paisley and Pokemon tartan
Pokemon marshmallow room and Pokemon fudge room
Pokemon east end boys and Pokemon west end girls

If during their encounter they suddenly decide to have sex, it's legal. They just can't have sex as a listed or guaranteed service for sale.

Same loophole that allows escorts to go on dates. They don't have to have sex, totally their choice.

You're not the boss of me

Conflict posted...

You haven't even been dating this girl for a month and you're talking about how you can "see yourself marrying her". Lol

Yeah, I don't want to demean you at all but this seems like it's just infatuation gone awry

Guerrilla Soldier posted...

we don't know but i'd assume he was a huge part of the war with wutai

Crisis Core confirmed he was there and a major part of why their campaign was successful.

Plus he no doubt completed missions all over the world, saving people and killing monsters and stopping threats.

Based off the synopsis I've read for the game where you play as a Turk against the former leader of AVALANCHE, I'm pretty sure sephiroth helped with that as well at a point or two.

The East end boys and West end girls

iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe if law enforcement stopped focusing on this Watergate nothing-burger scandal they could have prevented Patty Hearsts kidnapping. Sad! - Nixon

Shit

I don't know what I expected

chrono625 posted...

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yemmy posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?

why does this make you mad. really makes u think

dude clearly had white supremacist view points

Because people are looking for excuses as to why he did what he did. Using "White nationalist" makes zero sense cause he called almost all white people.

It's overlooking the real cause which was certainly severe mental illness.

And anyone saying other wise is being disengenuous.

You also can certainly have individuals who just say they're into something just to be apart of something.

Don't blame mental illness, there's hundreds of types of mental illness and statistically, people with them are less likely to be violent towards others. Even if you exclude suicide rates, people with mental illnesses are MORE likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the general population.

He was associated with a hate group and classmates have confirmed he was racist.

Hateful person with access to guns and training with them. That's something in common with most mass shooters.

Don't scapegoat mental illness.

yemmy posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Fair enough.

Though I believe you are blaming the wrong thing here.

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

I work in schools for a living. 2 of the 4 I go into, if someone shot it up, would have mostly ALL black victims. So I don't think race really motivated this.

The school has a large Jewish population. And regardless of if it was racially motivated, the fact remains that he is a domestic terrorist who was racialized and trained by a paramilitary hate group who will likely never be charged with anything due to the innate racist nature of our justice system.

Go_Totodile posted...

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asagi_mode_gone posted...

Stan often acts as the moral mouthpiece and Kyle is the backup. Then there's the whole "Stan face palms frequently because he wants to do the right thing but he has a moron for a father". Kyle doesn't have that depth with familial obligations in recent seasons besides watching out for ike.

Also, there's that Stan Darsh thing

Don't you fucking talk about Randy that way

Hes not. Stan quite literally thinks his dad is a moron.

Beat me to it.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

They can't agree on whether Larry the frozen ice man should be named Steve or Gorak.

Giant douche or turd sandwich, either

Stan often acts as the moral mouthpiece and Kyle is the backup. Then there's the whole "Stan face palms frequently because he wants to do the right thing but he has a moron for a father". Kyle doesn't have that depth with familial obligations in recent seasons besides watching out for ike.

Also, there's that Stan Darsh thing

yusiko posted...

the hardest boss in xenosaga 2 was orgulla
though i found her really easy when i did my shion solo challenge playthrough of the the series

Bersker lady is a push over just don't push the damage past 10% increments without making sure everyone is at least at 2/3rds health. With shions aoe heal it's a lot easier. Though momo was truly queen of the second game.

Even better is when you have to stealth through the entire thing and they have terribly placed checkpoints.

Tyranthraxus posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

My favorite are the ones where you're fighting the boss for a long enough time, and you use all your items on it thinking it's worth it, then you figure out its a scripted boss so you let yourself lose only to find out it wasn't a scripted boss in the first place and you're just garbage so you put the game down for a year while you think about your life.

Then you go back after a year and realize you forgot how to play and then you give up

lowkey this happened to me with Xenosaga 2

The hardest xenosaga 2 bosses were the last ones minus the final boss who you literally should not lose to.

Now then, margulis during the section where you first used Ziggy, that fight is hell. Even with the proper strategy there's no real easy way to beat him even if you grinded levels. Well, if you saved and grinded for a ton of those S and T point items and got momo a certain spell and got Ziggy to be able to use a finisher as a second ability. But that requires actually grinding for a long time against some of the tougher enemies in that area.

Most bosses have a steal and rare steal item. They also have a drop and rare drop. That boss had one of the best rare drops in the game. The ability extracted from it is only beat by the unique items like the swimsuit.

Tyranthraxus posted...

BlueBoy675 posted...

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Turbam posted...

What about when you lose easily
Think "oh, ok I'm supposed to lose this fight"
Then you get the game over screen?

Several enemies in kingdom hearts or similar games. Enemy has huge bursts of aoe attacks that aren't easily dodged or have tracking on them that limits your ability to dodge anything else they throw out. Or they have some secret weak spot you have to exploit but you wouldn't have any idea if it is your first time playing.

I can't think of a single KH boss that gave me the vibe I was supposed to lose

Sephiroth gave me this vibe that I was supposed to lose and then give up and go do something else lmao

This and a riku CoM boss but I'm struggling with the name

fenderbender321 posted...

What about battles where you can win by not attacking the enemy.

Are we talking dark knight cecil in ffiv or gogo the famed mimic in ffv? Or are we talking "literally just bait the enemy and make them fall off as they charge" types of battles where not fighting is the best way to get that to happen?

Turbam posted...

What about when you lose easily
Think "oh, ok I'm supposed to lose this fight"
Then you get the game over screen?

Several enemies in kingdom hearts or similar games. Enemy has huge bursts of aoe attacks that aren't easily dodged or have tracking on them that limits your ability to dodge anything else they throw out. Or they have some secret weak spot you have to exploit but you wouldn't have any idea if it is your first time playing.

yusiko posted...

i like the ones with a prize for winning or an alternate scene.
like in phantasy star 2

nei has to fight the boss neifirst solo and lose. then the rest of the party takes over the fight and nei dies from her injuries. but if you manage to win the fight as nei you get an alternate cutscene to explain how nei still ends up dying

The Disgaea series has had a few endings related to winning or losing certain fights.

Beat the level 3000 boss at the end of chapter 1 in D3? Secret ending. Really sad one. Only achievable on a ng+ or higher. Lose a fight against the prior stage and you get a ng+ and a silly ending which perfectly suits the character you lost to. Same with the end of chapter 1 boss in 2.

When they at least acknowledge it, they can be fun. The only time it ever really works consistently is one of those "fight them and if you win you get a title/ item/ when you win or lose your character gets a power up regardless and then the real fight begins" though even that last one requires the lead up in the story actually making sense in pacing and whatnot.

I got warned for saying something like this yesterday

Kineth posted...

Probably eating out of stress and because they're being wined and dined by whatever nepotistic influences are there.

Err, wouldn't Trump be the nepotist?

twitterfriends posted...

It can be fixed, do you realize how much food grocery stores and restaurants throw out unsold food?

France has it so that food can't be thrown out but has to be donated

You can't burn a person who burnt themselves.

... Or can you?

That's enough CE banter for the night.

Cosmic, it isn't mentally ill people who carry out these attacks. Most are sane. Under 3% of these attacks are linked to mentally ill people and often they were still linked to some hate group or other community that created an echo chamber calling for violence. Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence, and the extent of being perprators of such acts usually consists of suicide statistics. Plus the fact that mental illnesses are often plagued with impulsivity. By and large, only neurotypical people can actually plan and arrange for such attacks and carry them out months later. Please don't perpetuate that mental illness myth.

Malcrasternus posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

The answer to your question is nothing.

Thanks to the NRA....

So why hasn't anyone done it yet? Try to stay focused man.

If you can't answer the question, just say so. I'm only willing to put in as much effort as you are, and it's getting pretty obvious what your intent was in this topic.

They actually have hundreds of thousands to spend on security to secure the perimeter, check every single person, eject anyone who shouldn't be there or who is suspicious, etc. Meanwhile they say that arming a handful of teachers at school will suffice in stead of that.

Malcrasternus posted...

asagi_mode_gone posted...

*price is right loser horn*

Yep, pretty much summing up your efforts here for actual discussion.

You sure are testy. Are you properly hydrated?

As for the missing creature for mushroom rock road, either it's in the area that you can only access from the airship with the password godhand or it's in the path to the temple. It's a bird type, really rare spawn. Best spot to try for it is one of the shaded areas where the view of tidus is obstructed by a rock. Good luck. It's taken me hours to catch 10 of them before. Can take 20+ minutes to even find one even if you just run from every battle where you don't see one.

CommonStar posted...

lol comparing shootings to accidents. they do know one is intentional and the other isn't right?

Plus the whole "cars are made to transport people and things, guns are made to kill" thing.

Yes. Then breed with a wailord

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

And what's stopping someone with a gun to just waltz into one of those conferences? No one else has a gun, right?

I wonder what organization helped make this even be a possible hypothetical situation....

Gosh, I don't have any idea. $1?
*price is right loser horn*

Aww.

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. OMG ban gunz! Is and always will be a losing argument.

Gun *control* =/= "OMG ban gunz"

What gun control legislation would have prevented this past shooting?

Let's see. Ban on assault rifles. Ban on most semi-automatics probably which has already been proven to work
https://globalnews.ca/news/3784603/australia-gun-control-ban/

What's your strategy to stop mass shootings at schools in the future besides doing absolutely nothing other than complain about those that are actually trying to save children from being butchered? I'd love to hear your response

Assault weapons ban showed no effect on crime rates hence why it was never reenacted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/?utm_term=.814ee33972ec
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2018/02/awb.png

Crime rates... Not this one persons "6 or more people massacres" idea that they came up with. Furthermore the idea that 300 million people should be stripped of their rights over such a tiny number is ridiculous.

What merits it being a right? Second amendment aside, what argument is there to say that access to a firearm with immense destructive power even for a gun is a right?

On a related note, do you think universal healthcare is a right?