Current Events > this school shooting is bothering me a lot more than others

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i think its because i was so close to this one

there's a guy at work who's kid got shot and was in surgery

one of my closer co-workers has two little siblings that were in the building that the shooter was in and had to run past dead bodies to get to safety

a guy that lives down the hallway said that he works at the school and is going to 3 funerals tomorrow

i just saw a clip on the news of a funeral being held at a Temple that i drive by every day

i can't imagine what these families are going through
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Vamp_Aubrey posted...

i think its because i was so close to this one

there's a guy at work who's kid got shot and was in surgery

one of my closer co-workers has two little siblings that were in the building that the shooter was in and had to run past dead bodies to get to safety

a guy that lives down the hallway said that he works at the school and is going to 3 funerals tomorrow

i just saw a clip on the news of a funeral being held at a Temple that i drive by every day

i can't imagine what these families are going through

The sad thing is, you'll probably might have to go through this again in a different location. We all might because guns are worth more than the lives of people.

They're all unbelievably horrible but people in this country don't want to fix the problem. Mental health care and guns are both things we could make better but we don't do either. It'll be hard to fix for sure but people are content with not even trying, and its absolutely pathetic.
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I used to work with somebody who lost both parents in the 2015 Tunisia beach shootings, which left me in a similar position to you. The guy came to see me, I remember him knocking on my door and I opened it and didn't know what to say, I was lost for words.
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the one that fucked me up was Sandy Hook. I mean jesus it was like 6-7 year olds, cornered in the back of a classroom getting shot like fish in a barrel.

ImAMarvel posted...

proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause

This guy shooting up a school had nothing to do with white nationalism. You're just wanting to turn this into an anti trump thing.
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yea, to help cope with a lot of the tragedies in this world, it's easier to imagine victims as being these remote people you might never have interacted with, until you or someone you know was affected, and the illusion is wiped away.

like, a friend of a friend died at the Las Vegas shooting and that ended up getting to me more than some of the others
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boxington posted...

yea, to help cope with a lot of the tragedies in this world, it's easier to imagine victims as being these remote people you might never have interacted with, until you or someone you know was affected, and the illusion is wiped away.

like, a friend of a friend died at the Las Vegas shooting and that ended up getting to me more than some of the others

shit I live thousands of miles away from the las vegas shooting and even I knew a few people who were there. luckily, all made it out ok.
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GregShmedley posted...

Fair enough.

Though I believe you are blaming the wrong thing here.

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

I work in schools for a living. 2 of the 4 I go into, if someone shot it up, would have mostly ALL black victims. So I don't think race really motivated this.
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i don't think i would be strong enough to go back to school ever again if i was one of these survivors
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Quite a few posters here seem to have some sort of relation to a lot of these shooters. I'm pretty sure a GameFAQ's poster survived the Dark Knight Rises shooting.

Vegas hit me bad. I always wanted to go there. Now it's gonna be in the back of my mind if I ever go there. That a lot of people were gunned down just over there from that big hotel.
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ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?
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yemmy posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?

why does this make you mad. really makes u think

dude clearly had white supremacist view points
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smh

the guy that lives down the hall broke down and started crying earlier
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yemmy posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Fair enough.

Though I believe you are blaming the wrong thing here.

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

I work in schools for a living. 2 of the 4 I go into, if someone shot it up, would have mostly ALL black victims. So I don't think race really motivated this.

The school has a large Jewish population. And regardless of if it was racially motivated, the fact remains that he is a domestic terrorist who was racialized and trained by a paramilitary hate group who will likely never be charged with anything due to the innate racist nature of our justice system.

Paper_Okami posted...

yemmy posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?

why does this make you mad. really makes u think

dude clearly had white supremacist view points

Because people are looking for excuses as to why he did what he did. Using "White nationalist" makes zero sense cause he called almost all white people.

It's overlooking the real cause which was certainly severe mental illness.

And anyone saying other wise is being disengenuous.

You also can certainly have individuals who just say they're into something just to be apart of something.
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ImAMarvel posted...

it's not even just that it happened here in florida for me. it's that this is proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause,

fuck on outta here.
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ImAMarvel posted...

GregShmedley posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

it's not even just that it happened here in florida for me. it's that this is proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause, yet trump is cutting funding investigating these sorts of people, yet focusing on islamic terrorism instead when this is arguably more dangerous.

i just want these sorts of people to see that this is essentially what they're supporting and fueling for once instead of acting like they're fighting for some noble cause

Didn't it turn out to be false that he was a white nationalist?

https://goo.gl/FtwAM6

obsessed with race, violence and guns

Ironic how CNN says this lol

myzz7 posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

it's not even just that it happened here in florida for me. it's that this is proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause,

fuck on outta here.

You don't think white supremacists and ultra nationalists are a danger?
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It is incorrect to pin this on white nationalism or the alt right or whatever as "proof these movements are dangerous"

Unless there's information that confirms or at least suggests the shooting was specifically motivated by those viewpoints. Because it's not like school shootings need those motivations anyway, lots of them have happened without them.

If you need to look somewhere for proof of the dangers of racism and nationalism and such, nazi germany tends to be a pretty good starting point. It's already obvious to a lot of people where all this boiling over hate and racism can lead and has in the past. Don't need to piggyback on school shootings to make that point.

There's plenty to rail against Trump and his party over regarding this shooting though, but unless there's clear evidence to suggest this shooting was motivated by alt-right ideals, that's not one.
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Tmk posted...

It is incorrect to pin this on white nationalism or the alt right or whatever as "proof these movements are dangerous"

Those movements are dangerous. Any movement that considers another race inferior is dangerous.

IB one of you guys says buh wuh abouu BLM?!
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What bothers me the most was the signs were all there he was a disturbed kid. But instead of helping out his mental state, people instead let it fester until this shit happened. Everyone dropped the ball on this shit show. (The shooter is still the biggest person at fault)
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ImAMarvel posted...

it's not even just that it happened here in florida for me. it's that this is proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause, yet trump is cutting funding investigating these sorts of people, yet focusing on islamic terrorism instead when this is arguably more dangerous.

i just want these sorts of people to see that this is essentially what they're supporting and fueling for once instead of acting like they're fighting for some noble cause

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672

Following misrepresentations by a white nationalist leader and coordinated efforts by internet trolls, numerous researchers and media outlets spread a seemingly false claim that the man charged with killing more than a dozen people at a Florida high school belonged to an extremist group.

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Paper_Okami posted...

Those movements are dangerous. Any movement that considers another race inferior is dangerous.

This is like people saying "2 + 2 = 7!" and then someone says, "No it doesn't" to which they reply, "OH SO YOU THINK 7 ISN'T A NUMBER? I BET YOU CRY WHEN YOU SLEEP WITH PROSTITUTES"
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

it's not even just that it happened here in florida for me. it's that this is proof of the sort of danger white supremacist and nationalist attitudes can cause, yet trump is cutting funding investigating these sorts of people, yet focusing on islamic terrorism instead when this is arguably more dangerous.

i just want these sorts of people to see that this is essentially what they're supporting and fueling for once instead of acting like they're fighting for some noble cause

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672

Following misrepresentations by a white nationalist leader and coordinated efforts by internet trolls, numerous researchers and media outlets spread a seemingly false claim that the man charged with killing more than a dozen people at a Florida high school belonged to an extremist group.

4chan is the cesspool of the internet.
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Darmik posted...

Quite a few posters here seem to have some sort of relation to a lot of these shooters. I'm pretty sure a GameFAQ's poster survived the Dark Knight Rises shooting.

Yeah that was Raptor, aka one of the lead mods.
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Tmk posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

Those movements are dangerous. Any movement that considers another race inferior is dangerous.

This is like people saying "2 + 2 = 7!" and then someone says, "No it doesn't" to which they reply, "OH SO YOU THINK 7 ISN'T A NUMBER? I BET YOU CRY WHEN YOU SLEEP WITH PROSTITUTES"

no, that's not the same at all.
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chrono625 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

yemmy posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?

why does this make you mad. really makes u think

dude clearly had white supremacist view points

Because people are looking for excuses as to why he did what he did. Using "White nationalist" makes zero sense cause he called almost all white people.

It's overlooking the real cause which was certainly severe mental illness.

And anyone saying other wise is being disengenuous.

You also can certainly have individuals who just say they're into something just to be apart of something.

Don't blame mental illness, there's hundreds of types of mental illness and statistically, people with them are less likely to be violent towards others. Even if you exclude suicide rates, people with mental illnesses are MORE likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the general population.

He was associated with a hate group and classmates have confirmed he was racist.

Hateful person with access to guns and training with them. That's something in common with most mass shooters.

Don't scapegoat mental illness.

Paper_Okami posted...

no, that's not the same at all.

It's exactly the same. You tried to refute what I said by asserting something I never denied, then made a random assumption about people.
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Parkland is a rich city.

Lots of rich folk there.

Sadly this country responds to money. Change in these kind of thing doesn't occur until rich folks get hurt.

Same reason the war on drugs isn't as heavily fought in rich neighborhoods. Because if it did, reform would be a stone's throw away.
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Teddytalks posted...

The sad thing is, you'll probably might have to go through this again in a different location. We all might because guns are worth more than the lives of people.

Bruh. This has been happening for alooong time. Back when I was in elementary school (like five years out of college right now). It's not any different. It's not common.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

chrono625 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

yemmy posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

yemmy posted...

I mean if the dude wanted to kill black people (or minorities), there's hundreds of high schools that have a shit ton more black people than that.

doesn't matter. he was a white supremacist who killed a bunch of white people anyway. those types are dangerous regardless of the color of anyone's skin.

according to the link i posted, he hated white women who were in interracial relationships anyway

I'm not disagreeing with you, but obviously him going apeshit was not motivated by race, but you still find a reason to bring Donald Trump into this in the same sentence.

Now you're gonna say he wanted to shoot white girls who fuck minorities. Reach a little further why don't you?

why does this make you mad. really makes u think

dude clearly had white supremacist view points

Because people are looking for excuses as to why he did what he did. Using "White nationalist" makes zero sense cause he called almost all white people.

It's overlooking the real cause which was certainly severe mental illness.

And anyone saying other wise is being disengenuous.

You also can certainly have individuals who just say they're into something just to be apart of something.

Don't blame mental illness, there's hundreds of types of mental illness and statistically, people with them are less likely to be violent towards others. Even if you exclude suicide rates, people with mental illnesses are MORE likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the general population.

He was associated with a hate group and classmates have confirmed he was racist.

Hateful person with access to guns and training with them. That's something in common with most mass shooters.

Don't scapegoat mental illness.

Lol. Just LOOK at the pictures of mass murderers and serial killers.

The same deranged smile and empty eyes.

People who are CLEARLY mentally ill and unstable.
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