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TopicRumor: Metroid Prime trilogy remake + Super Metroid remake coming to Switch
adjl
12/03/19 2:51:28 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
didnt they just remake super Metroid on 3DS?


That was Metroid 2.
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TopicUS City to create Reparations Fund for Blacks...
adjl
12/03/19 2:51:12 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
adjl posted...
Poor white people would not receive reparations for the slavery of black people, no. Other varieties of income assistance? Sure. But not reparations for slavery.

Reparations for slavery should have happened 150 years ago. No one should get money just because their great great great great grandparents went through some horrible shit. What they really should do is help all poor people, regardless of race.


Realistically, yeah. While the impacts of slavery are still felt by black Americans, the fact of the matter is that that disadvantage is not unique to blacks and this money would be better spent on all low-income groups than on a token gesture that will be completely wasted on the black people that have managed to overcome their disadvantages.

TheWorstPoster posted...
pionear posted...
https://news.yahoo.com/us-city-pay-reparations-african-144159498.html

With a 3% Tax on Cannabis Sativa to pay into a fund for Blacks to have access to.

So will they/we get a 'Reparations' Black Card or some shhh...?


We already had reparations for Blacks. 875,000 men lost their lives over 150 years ago, just to free them from slavery.

Is that not payment enough, especially for something that absolutely NONE of them went through?


Are you really suggesting that the Civil War was only about slavery?
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TopicI finished only 19 games this year
adjl
12/03/19 1:19:03 PM
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Zeus posted...
I still haven't touched SMG2 since buying it.


You should really do that. It's a delightful game, as much as people like dumping on it because it's not that different from SMG. Personally, I was fine with that because the Galaxy concept still had plenty of opportunity for creative, enjoyable level designs in it, and I feel they did an excellent job tapping into that opportunity with the sequel.

Zeus posted...
And, in general, I think I should stop buying sequels to games where I own but haven't played the last entry.


That's about where I am too. I've considered both the new Fire Emblem and the new Luigi's Mansion, but I own and still haven't finished both previous games (I'm like 8 chapters in to FE14 Birthright, own but haven't touched Conquest, and haven't touched Dark Moon). I just can't justify buying a new game that's so much like one I already own and still have to play.

That said, Odyssey and Galaxy (either) are fairly different. Odyssey's a throwback to the SM64-style collectathon, whereas G2 continues G1's progression toward a purer 3D platforming experience (which culminates in SM3DL/W, which were basically just 3D NSMB games) with less emphasis on exploration. Personally, I would say that they're different (and excellent) enough to justify owning both without having beaten the other, but I get where you're coming from.
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TopicDo you think there should be a time limitation on pirating?
adjl
12/03/19 1:11:16 PM
#10
Hop103 posted...
Yes

It needs to be 3 years after the last game is released for a console or old abandoned computers (PC-98, Apple II, etc.).


That's ridiculously short. Nothing shorter than 10 years would be reasonable, and even that's pretty short given that plenty of companies don't remake their games that often and that's not even two console generations.
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TopicIf Trump and Macron didn't need those translators...
adjl
12/03/19 1:08:13 PM
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Johnny Eagle posted...
HornedLion posted...
This may be trivial... but...

Macron has a glass of water. Trump has a glass of Soda! Fucking Soda! We are embracing our high type 2 rates at this point.


..............."may" be trivial? >_>


It is trivial, but it nonetheless speaks to Trump's childishness. Not in a "impeach him now!" sort of way, but the sort of way that just makes one shake one's head in disappointed bewilderment.
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TopicIf Trump and Macron didn't need those translators...
adjl
12/03/19 12:34:04 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's always been the unstable superpower throwing it's weight around


You don't know much about your country's history, do you?
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TopicUS City to create Reparations Fund for Blacks...
adjl
12/03/19 12:30:40 PM
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Mead posted...
I get the idea behind it but dividing up government assistance programs based on skin color doesnt seem like the best direction for the country to head down

Id rather see them use the money to help low income areas, which often have many black residents so it would still help the black community without being discriminatory


While that would probably be more effective, the nature of reparations is that they're specific to the population that has been wronged, in an effort to compensate for that wrong. In the case of slavery and subsequent systemic racism in America, that line does get drawn on the basis of skin colour.

Now, the fact that it's applying to all black people and not just those with ancestral ties to slaves? That's pretty silly.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Reparations definitely are.


Not inherently. Reparations are (in theory) doled out based on association to some historical wrongdoing. It just so happens that a lot of historical wrongdoing has had a racial element to it because people have always been racist dickbags. There's no reason reparations couldn't be given out to, say, the residents of a mining town that lost a sizable number of residents in a mining disaster, paid out by all parties that can be associated with creating or profiting from the unsafe working conditions that triggered it.

CaptainStrong posted...
So what about poor white people? Do they not get any help just because they're white? That seems a little racist to me.


Poor white people would not receive reparations for the slavery of black people, no. Other varieties of income assistance? Sure. But not reparations for slavery.
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TopicDo you think there should be a time limitation on pirating?
adjl
12/03/19 11:22:24 AM
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Ogurisama posted...
adjl posted...
That is already the case. IP's expire and become public domain, which is why you don't have to pay Beethoven's estate every time somebody plays Ode to Joy. I believe the time frame is typically around 75 years, though, which obviously means it hasn't applied to any video games yet.
The problem is, that time frame is getting longer and longer every few years, and thats mostly cause of Disney.
So i looked it up, Mickey is public domain in 2024 i believe, so thats coming quick. I wouldnt be surprised if Disney trys to lengthen the time again.


I understand it with Disney. They have actually been producing their content for more than 75 years (Snow White was 82 years ago) and still use a lot of their older stuff today, so they rely on having control over that IP despite how old it is. That's why I think there should be provisions in there for extending copyright if the IP in question does actually get used. To bring it back to video games, I fully expect Mario to still be relevant in 50 years, and I don't think it's unreasonable for Nintendo to retain control over Super Mario Bros because of that (especially where they have been rereleasing it on a regular basis).

Would that mean we'd get games/movies/whatever churned out every X years purely for the sake of maintaining the copyright and not because they're going to be any good? Of course. But it would also mean that stuff that has actually been abandoned would become public domain much faster, which I think would be beneficial.
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TopicDo you think there should be a time limitation on pirating?
adjl
12/03/19 11:00:59 AM
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That is already the case. IP's expire and become public domain, which is why you don't have to pay Beethoven's estate every time somebody plays Ode to Joy. I believe the time frame is typically around 75 years, though, which obviously means it hasn't applied to any video games yet.

Now, should those laws be amended to account for the degradation of physical media and/or to cover a shorter time frame if the IP holder does nothing with the IP? I could get behind that. There's a whole lot of media out there that the creators have effectively abandoned yet still have copyright over, meaning anyone who's interested in checking it out today has no recourse but piracy. That's just not fun for anyone, really.
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TopicI finished only 19 games this year
adjl
12/03/19 10:57:03 AM
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Mead posted...
only?


I mean, according to Backloggery, Delta's got over 2300 unfinished games. At only 19 a year, it would take him 121 years to beat them all, and that's presuming he never buys another game again (which, because it's Delta, is about as likely as Trump never tweeting angrily about something again) and also that Backloggery has all of his games on it (which I don't think it does, since I seem to remember his Steam library being over 5000). 19 seems like a large number, but it falls far short of what Delta will have to average if he wants to beat all of his games in a single lifetime.
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Topicalanis morissette wasn't really singling about irony so much...
adjl
12/03/19 10:50:08 AM
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By definition, situational irony refers to a set of circumstances that you don't expect. Because of that, there's really no objective definition by which to call a situation ironic. That definition is always going to depend entirely on the expectations of the person using the term. If Alanis expected her wedding day to be sunny, rain would indeed be ironic.
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TopicMOM is responsible for KILLING her 2 KIDS as Police have RULED OUT XBOX One!!!
adjl
12/03/19 10:46:16 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
She is also accused of having sex with a dog.

And oddly, not accused of false statements to the police.
Trying to pin a murder-suicide on an 8 year old is pretty fucked up all on its own, too


To be fair, being convicted of a double homicide means any other charges are pretty irrelevant. Charging people with making false statements to the police is more common for people who haven't done anything else wrong, since it's generally a lesser charge than other criminal offences.
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TopicIn retrospect, 2019 was a horrible year for gaming
adjl
12/02/19 8:09:28 PM
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Press Y to honk.
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TopicSo I was on Reddit...
adjl
12/02/19 8:08:58 PM
#9
Lobomoon posted...
Gamerz4Justice posted...
Global warming causes extreme temperature variations and violent storms which we have seen. Everyone knows that unless theyre just trying to troll and start controversy.


So why does it called "warming"?


Because the average global temperature is increasing.
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TopicGucamelee 2 has one of the scummiest in game micro transactions I've seen
adjl
12/01/19 10:26:01 PM
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I think it was the first Dragon Age that was infamous for doing that kind of immersion-breaking DLC pitch. It's not particularly uncommon, sadly.
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Topicwhatever you're eating right now, the food i'm eating is better, ok?
adjl
12/01/19 9:09:07 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
adjl posted...
I'm not eating anything right now, unless you count my bottle of water.

You're not suppose to eat the bottle, silly...


But it adds such a nice crunchy texture.
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TopicArgh, I hate that my grandparents are in their 80s now.
adjl
12/01/19 9:06:04 PM
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My grandmother decided she was old when she was 82. She then spent the rest of her life insisting she was useless and basically refusing to do anything to actually live a life of her own, including refusing any sort of treatment for the depression she very obviously had. She died this past January at 98, after spending 6-7 years lying in a nursing home bed doing nothing. I'm honestly kind of glad she's gone now, since that was just such a miserable existence.
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Topicwhatever you're eating right now, the food i'm eating is better, ok?
adjl
12/01/19 5:01:51 PM
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I'm not eating anything right now, unless you count my bottle of water.
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TopicDo you date Outside your Race
adjl
12/01/19 3:26:12 PM
#69
Would I? Sure. Have I? No.
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TopicWhat kind of drunk are you?
adjl
12/01/19 3:22:32 PM
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Mostly just really talkative, and talking much faster. The upper end of my vocal range also increases by about a fifth, though I'm pretty sure that's mostly because I don't feel/care about the discomfort and also don't care as much about actually sounding decent (because I don't sound very good up there).
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TopicDo you like Paper Mario?
adjl
12/01/19 3:04:24 PM
#22
keyblader1985 posted...
People just didn't like Super Paper Mario because it was different.


Indeed. It's not actually a bad game if you can get past the "I wanted a real PM game!" thing that so many people got hung up on. Nothing amazing, but certainly worth playing.
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TopicC/D most pro life people are hypocrites
adjl
12/01/19 2:48:33 PM
#42
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.


You seem to have a hard time separating "abortions shouldn't be illegal" from "abortions should be 100% free for anyone who wants them." I'm not really sure why.
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TopicWhat's up with Walking Simulators with slowass walking?
adjl
11/30/19 9:31:41 PM
#34
bulbinking posted...
The best art is something which everybody can appreciate.


Ignoring that "best" is extremely subjective, "art" is not defined purely on the basis of the best stuff. Bad art is still art. Again, there's a very important distinction between "this isn't art" and "this is dumb."
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TopicWhy do women ghost instead of saying "this isn't going to work"?
adjl
11/30/19 9:26:02 PM
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Same reason men do it: Confrontation is hard and unpleasant. If you can reliably skip it altogether, the temptation is understandable.
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TopicWhat's up with Walking Simulators with slowass walking?
adjl
11/30/19 4:44:12 PM
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bulbinking posted...
True art needs to be an elevation of our ability to express feelings and ideas to one another. In actuality I consider art to be a scientific process of evolving interpersonal communication,


And that expression takes place whenever creativity is exercised. The mere process of being creative entails expressing subconcious opinions, ideas, and biases that the artist themself might not even be aware of, let alone able to express verbally. I don't disagree with your assessment, but I think you're gatekeeping way more than is necessary.

Do note that, while simply being creative is all that's needed to create art, that art isn't necessarily going to be at all interesting or impressive, or even worth creating. The postmodernist philosophy has some merit, but the vast majority of postmodern art is inane garbage. It's just important to separate "this isn't art" from "this is dumb."
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TopicShe's so fucking hot
adjl
11/30/19 2:43:12 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Nobody cares or needs to know what anyone finds attractive

Literally the point of the topic.


Eh, I'd say it's half that and half "you guys might enjoy this picture."
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TopicWhat's up with Walking Simulators with slowass walking?
adjl
11/30/19 2:39:40 PM
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bulbinking posted...
Even a highly skilled forgery is still art.


Debatable. Personally, I consider the only criterion needed to qualify as art to be the application of creativity. If you're just replicating something that already exists with no personal interpretive or creative steps, you aren't really producing art.

That said, producing a good forgery absolutely does require a tremendous amount of skill, in many cases comparable to that of the original artist. I won't disagree with that. Just that it's not a particularly creative process.
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TopicAlberta Education Minister proves she doesn't understand the Social curriculum
adjl
11/30/19 2:32:29 PM
#5
Oh, Alberta.
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TopicIf an employee asks to see your RECEIPT as you walk out, What would you do??
adjl
11/30/19 2:28:16 PM
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Given that I've shopped at costco regularly for decades, receipt checks aren't exactly new to me. Searching more invasively than looking over the receipt and glancing in the cart? That might be an issue. But I really don't care about the five seconds it takes to check the receipt.
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TopicHas anyone heard of financial independence?
adjl
11/29/19 4:28:37 PM
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Isn't this just plain old retirement planning? The basic concept of investing money until you can live off of the RoI without needing to work is nothing particularly new.
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TopicThose times listed to defrost turkeys are BS
adjl
11/29/19 4:25:06 PM
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I see what you're getting at, but even in context, it's still awkward wording. Even using a period instead of a comma would have clarified it. This way, it looks like the latter half of the sentence applies a condition to the first half (it was fine, except that the inner cavity was frozen), when in reality they are two separate ideas.
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TopicThose times listed to defrost turkeys are BS
adjl
11/29/19 3:57:23 PM
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I mean, this is what you said:

streamofthesky posted...
It came out fine, only the inner cavity was still partly frozen.


To me, that looks like "the inner cavity was still partly frozen" is describing how it came out, not how it went in. Evidently, that's not what you meant, which is good, but that's definitely what it sounded like.
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TopicThose times listed to defrost turkeys are BS
adjl
11/29/19 3:29:05 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
adjl posted...
streamofthesky posted...
And yet, it was


That's not how heat transfer works. If you haven't managed to warm up the thing that's right next to it past 32, you didn't warm that part to 165. That's a very significant temperature difference.

...It was frozen at the start. After hours in the oven, it was quite cooked.
Did you think I pulled it out of the oven and served it w/ the inside still frozen?!


Yes, that is what your initial statement sounded like.
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TopicDo you think school buses should have seatbelts?
adjl
11/29/19 3:16:34 PM
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CTLM posted...
You don't think seatbelts would do anything to improve their chances of surviving or reducing possible injuries? Last I knew, being rolled around inside any vehicle during a crash wasn't good for the body


Perhaps I phrased it poorly, I meant that my suggestion of making sure new buses have seatbelts without retrofitting old ones wouldn't improve the safety of old ones (since it'd do nothing to them at all). Obviously, adding seatbelts to older buses would make them safer.
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TopicThose times listed to defrost turkeys are BS
adjl
11/29/19 3:15:19 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
And yet, it was


That's not how heat transfer works. If you haven't managed to warm up the thing that's right next to it past 32, you didn't warm that part to 165. That's a very significant temperature difference.
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TopicDo you think school buses should have seatbelts?
adjl
11/29/19 3:01:49 PM
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They should definitely have them, but I'd be fine with applying that moving forward (new buses must have them) instead of retrofitting entire existing fleets. That'd make the cost a whole lot less prohibitive. It'd also do nothing to improve the safety of existing buses, but it's better than the current "it'd cost too much to do the whole thing so let's just do nothing at all" approach.
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TopicThose times listed to defrost turkeys are BS
adjl
11/29/19 1:16:29 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Destiny posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Let it cook about 50 min, still was a huge struggle to get the neck out, because it was a bit hot on the outer edge of the neck and still frozen on the inner side and stuck in, but I managed to torque the sucker out.
Definitely giving it another day to thaw next time...

don't cook a still frozen turkey

It came out fine, only the inner cavity was still partly frozen.

Also, you totally can cook a still frozen turkey. The important part is minimizing the time between > 40 degrees and less than 140 degrees.


If the inner cavity was still frozen, nothing close to that inner cavity was actually cooked.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/29/19 1:14:27 PM
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HornedLion posted...
theyre saying that the child was born autistic but they just so happened to regress after their vaccination COINCIDENTALLY.


And if we assume that said regression happens on a random day between the ages of 1 and 2, ~2% of autistic children will have seen that happen within a week of their MMR vaccine. Going by Link's numbers of 64,000 new diagnoses per year, that's 1280 people that would observe that every year purely because of random coincidence.

This is the null hypothesis, where we assume that whatever phenomenon you're observing can be attributed to random chance and not to anything significant that's going on. Every scientific study looking to draw any sort of meaningful conclusion has to reject the null hypothesis before attempting that, and that means having results that differ from what can be explained by random chance by a statistically significant margin (usually 5%). You're saying thousands of parents are observing this supposed coincidence? That's within the predictions of the null hypothesis, meaning that is not in fact reason to suspect that anything more than coincidence is going on. You get more than 1350 (1280*1.05) a year? Then maybe you've got something worth looking at.

HornedLion posted...
What I was doing was highlighting the fact that he has nothing to gain


And that is irrelevant to the claim that he's blown the whistle on some sort of major conspiracy. His motivations are entirely tangential to the facts he presented (which you have yet to share, incidentally). You should be outlining the details of said conspiracy, not trying to make him sound more credible.

HornedLion posted...
ASD has always been ASD. The only thing that has recently merged was the diagnosis of PDD. It is now a part of ASD.


Depending on how the statistics are being counted, past Autism diagnoses may not have included things like Asperger Syndrome that were treated as being distinct diagnoses from autism but are now included under the umbrella of ASD. As I said, though, I don't know how those are being counted for the purposes of comparing to historical data.

HornedLion posted...
n what you wrote... are you suggesting that when they turn the cameras off the child all of a sudden displays a bunch of ASD behaviors but coincidentally loses them(which doesnt happen in a ASD person) when the cameras are on?


No, I'm suggesting that even with smartphones, 99% of a child's daily life doesn't get recorded for the vast majority of people (and 99% is a generous estimate that presumes parents take an average of 15 minutes of video footage every day, which is pretty high). Odds are, unless the parent is specifically looking to record odd behaviours, they aren't going to capture them.
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TopicWhat's up with Walking Simulators with slowass walking?
adjl
11/29/19 12:40:31 PM
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GreenKnight127 posted...
I'm not saying there is no value to walking simulators. But I'm definitely saying that they have become the lazy man's replacement for reading a book and simply envisioning the adventure due to clever writing and (shocked expression) imagination.


There were people who said the same thing about books when the printing press made them readily available and people didn't have to rely on oral storytelling anymore. It's just a different storytelling medium, with its own advantages and disadvantages compared to others. It's not a replacement for anything.
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TopicI'm headed to GameStop to buy a Switch game. What should I buy?
adjl
11/28/19 12:21:21 AM
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I'd say Mario. Goose Game is worth grabbing, but it's digital-only and you're therefore not going to get it at Gamestop.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/28/19 12:17:09 AM
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HornedLion posted...
Except parents dont start recording kids only when they notice something is wrong. They have videos showing a kid exhibiting no ASD behaviors, and then videos post vaccination showing the loss of speech, eye contact, name response, etc.


The key point is that the absence of evidence is not conclusive proof of absence. All their video evidence indicates is that they have no pre-vaccination video evidence of ASD behaviours, not that those behaviours weren't there.

HornedLion posted...
Dr. William Thompson is the CDC whistleblower with nothing to gain and all to lose by doing so.


That's a name. A citation would include the data he released. Talking about how he has nothing to gain contributes nothing to your position and is another example of that pathos I criticized you for earlier.

HornedLion posted...
Are you saying that Im the only one finding numerous people at my 3 most recent jobs, and in everyday life, with this same story?


No, I'm saying that approximately 2% of parents with an autistic child can be expected to see that timing purely through random chance. That means it's not the mere existence of people seeing that timing you should be fixating on, but rather making a statistical comparison (the people you've met at work are not an adequate sample size to draw a credible conclusion) between the actual number and that 2% (the null hypothesis, in this study).

HornedLion posted...
But all big pharma wants you to know is that vaccines didnt do it. We dont know what causes autism... but all we can say is that its definitely not our vaccines.


And if somebody had published a fraudulent study saying that chicken caused autism instead, Big Chicken wouldn't be able to tell you what actually caused it but would say that it wasn't their chicken. It's not the responsibility of whatever entity you're baselessly blaming for a problem to offer a solution to that problem if they aren't actually causing it. That's just a silly thing to suggest.

HornedLion posted...
theres still a s*** ton more people with an ASD child than there was 20 years ago.

1/5,000 in 1975 compared to 1/59 today. Ignoring the increase in number of vaccines today versus back then... it still should be a cause for concern.


It is indeed. A sizable chunk of that increase is likely due to refining the diagnostic criteria such that you're simply getting more diagnoses, plus merging the whole spectrum under one disorder name is going to skew comparisons (I don't know if that 1/5000 figure you're giving is specifically for autism or if it's been adjusted to count everything that would be called ASD today), but there does definitely seem to be an uptick in autism diagnoses. It's concerning, but epidemiologists are studying it. It's best to just relax and let them figure it out. They'll get there eventually.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/27/19 10:41:27 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Except as I stated the testimonies of thousands of parents,


Which are less than reliable, as I've outlined.

HornedLion posted...
the video evidence which many have of notable changes in behavior,


Which is also unreliable due to not being a remotely comprehensive picture of the "before" state. It's useful for doctors to identify the emergence of symptoms, but it doesn't capture everything that might have happened prior to the parents becoming concerned. For something as subtle as a developmental disorder, signs and symptoms are usually around for a while before somebody notices something, unless they're looking really closely the whole time.

HornedLion posted...
and even a whistleblower complaint from the CDC reporting that data has been manipulated to hide findings of a link.


Which I'll need to see a citation on. Preferably with details on the alleged data manipulations.

HornedLion posted...
but an industry with lots to lose if he isnt shut up or discredited.


The thing I don't get about the conspiracy angle is that Big Pharma really wouldn't be hurt by a conclusive link between vaccines and autism. The overwhelming medical consensus would continue to be that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks, so the only people that would choose not to vaccinate are the ones who currently think that autism is worse than polio (who aren't vaccinating anyway). Meanwhile, they've got another potential revenue stream to tap into by offering pharmaceutical treatments for autism or coming up with a premium vaccine with a lower risk that they offer at a higher cost. It would be a minor setback at worst. Certainly not anything worth the massive cover-up that would be required to silence every single doctor in the world that's found a credible link (and many, many scientists have gone looking for that link since Wakefield's paper).

HornedLion posted...
None of that means anything when everyone has a sophisticated video recording device known as a smart phone.


Which they turn on when their baby does something cute. They don't have that camera running all the time, so they aren't going to capture every odd behaviour or developmental delay that might be possible to pick up. Again, you need a comprehensive record of the "before" state if you want to definitively state that there was nothing unusual going on then.

I should also make the point of looking at basic probabilities: If we presume that autism symptoms are going to show up between the ages of 1 and 2, then "within a week of their MMR vaccine" actually refers to a solid 2% of that time frame. That number only grows if we start to include other vaccines around that time. That means you are going to get a few hundred people per year noticing autism symptoms within a few days of their kid's vaccine through sheer random chance, without needing to infer any sort of causal relationship for that.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/27/19 5:43:02 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Then what are you going on about then?


That there is no substantiated link between vaccines and autism. I've never suggested anything more than that, aside from saying that the risks of vaccines are far outweighed by the benefits (which we agree on).

HornedLion posted...
I hope you know that anecdotal evidence is still evidence.


Evidence that should be used only when it's the best you've got, because it's significantly less credible than anything more empirical. Actual epidemiological studies - with concrete data - have failed to reveal a link between vaccines and autism, despite countless attempts since Wakefield's fraudulent study was published in 1998. That means nobody should be deferring to subjective anecdotal assessments that were conducted in hindsight. Those are substantially less credible than actual studies.

HornedLion posted...
You understand that for you to be correct it would mean that ALL those parents recollection had to ALL been wrong. And that they all unanimously misrepresented what happened. With no exception.


Yes. It is significantly more plausible that a couple thousand people (if that) made a retrospective subjective assessment inaccurately than that they actually observed a definite correlation that empirical studies have failed to find. Especially considering the emotional distress of the diagnosis and the fact that they had been primed to suspect the vaccine by the ongoing controversy. Especially also considering that parents will tend to be extra vigilant about any oddities in their child's health after the vaccine because of the flu-like symptoms that tend to follow any vaccine, meaning there's a good chance they'll notice something wrong that they hadn't noticed before.

HornedLion posted...
This includes things like never having a seizure but suddenly having their first seizure within hours of being vaccinated.


Yes, seizures are included in the list of potential adverse vaccine reactions, which makes a lot of sense to anyone that knows that febrile seizures are a thing. Not sure what seizures are supposed to have to do with autism, though.

HornedLion posted...
My stance is that it seems certain families have a genetic disposition for the virus, and things within the environment trigger it.


"The virus" being the inactivated virus in the vaccine? Were that the case, the actual disease would also cause autism, making it a pretty moot point. That would also likely have been picked up in one or more of the studies that have searched for a link. I don't think there's much to that theory.
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TopicWhy am I so bad at video games?
adjl
11/27/19 3:51:27 PM
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Being good at PvP games generally boils down to understanding and predicting other people's behaviour, which you haven't exactly shown to be a strong point of yours.
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TopicTurkey Cake.
adjl
11/27/19 1:54:49 PM
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I'm impressed that she did that almost entirely with cake and butter cream, just using marzipan for the final coating and some smaller details. So many of these art "cakes" are more rice krispie square, fondant (and other modelling substances that don't taste great), and plywood than they are actual cake.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/27/19 1:06:55 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Nitpicking details such as this, when the message was clear that the digestive system is a natural process VS not a natural process, is something that makes one not take you seriously.


Except I spent a solid paragraph prior to that explaining why the whole "natural process" thing was irrelevant. It doesn't matter how naturally you take botulinum into your body. The harm you suffer is going to be proportional to the dose, which is true for literally every toxin. Exposure route also plays a role, but that varies from toxin to toxin and "natural" routes (a meaningless distinction because virtually every exposure route occurs in nature) are not inherently any safer than "unnatural" ones.

My point with that addendum was that that that comment from you was very transparently melodramatic fearmongering. You write a phrase like "taking an bunch of chemicals directly into the bloodstream," and people are going to imagine you clutching your pearls while you say it and dismiss your concerns accordingly. Pathos like that has no place in a discussion of public health, nor does the naturalistic fallacy (protip: botulinum toxin is among the most potently toxic substances known to mankind and is also completely natural).

HornedLion posted...
Ive seen no mention or response to my statement about The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).


Why would I need to respond directly to that? I've said on multiple occasions (including this topic) that you're grossly misrepresenting my position if you believe that I don't think vaccines have any side effects whatsoever. The mere existence of a vaccine injury compensation program does nothing to affect my position.

HornedLion posted...
Look, it seems like Robert De Niro is another one of those emotional parents.


So it would seem, yes. Having a child diagnosed with a developmental disorder is distressing. When distressing things happen, people start to look for explanations because "it just happened for no reason" is a lot harder to accept than being able to pin the blame on something. So along comes this one study that suggests that maybe vaccines cause autism. He doesn't necessarily say "that's definitely true," but he starts thinking about how his kid was doing before and after being vaccinated. Memories being subjective and highly prone to external biases, that process is likely to result in overestimating the post-vaccination symptoms and ignoring pre-vaccination ones.

Is he hysterical? No. Does that mean his recollection of his son's developmental progress is infallible? Also no.

HornedLion posted...
How can his knowledge of his son before and after the MMR vaccine be trusted when hes sooooo emotional?


It can't, unless he's been empirically documenting all relevant details. Subjective, anecdotal assessments like that aren't credible, especially when emotional distress comes into play. It's just too easy for people to make errors in forming them. You need empirical, statistical data to identify a genuine correlation, and even then that's only a correlation and not a conclusive causal link. Anecdotes can inspire that investigation, but they should not be treated as being more credible than investigations that have already taken place and failed to support them.
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TopicOh my god mary elizabeth winstead is just so hot
adjl
11/27/19 12:23:11 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Different strokes for different folks.

I have a thing for Cher.


Thank you for Chering.
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Topicweather elitism
adjl
11/27/19 11:29:20 AM
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Zeus posted...
Sahuagin posted...
what kind of reaction should I have when people complain about +11C when I've experienced -35C? or the pain of having severe bronchitis and inhaling -28C air. like daggers in the throat. you should be talking about weather ignorance.


Man, take your wack-ass Celsius out of here! Ain't nobody knows how to convert that shit! All I know is that it can get below -30 here although even -10 or -15 is really fucking cold.


You don't really need to convert -35. -40 is the equivalency point, so -35C is close enough to -35F (-31, to be precise) that you can react as though they were the same temperature.
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TopicFor anyone that likes Stardew Valley, the 1.4 update comes out Nov. 26 for pc.
adjl
11/27/19 11:22:31 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
joemodda posted...
Nice... I hope it adds tons more endgame stuff. Kinda got bored around the end of year 2

I feel like the big problem is that, by the end of year 2, you've probably automated most of your farm, beaten the dungeons, and the only thing left to buy is the stuff from the wizard... but the most expensive stuff leaps from 1 mil (the statue and the obelisks) and 2 mil (the recall wand) straight to 10 mil (the gold clock).

I always hit the end and intend to grind my way to the clock, but I've never yet managed to keep my attention long enough to grind it out before getting bored and stopping.


To be fair, income jumps pretty exponentially once you start getting into Ancient Fruits and their wine, so that jump isn't nearly as bad as it seems at first glance. That said, filling a whole farm with Ancient Fruits is quite the endeavour that you basically spend a full year working toward because you don't want to plant them later than early spring, and even once you get there, that's nearly a whole month of waiting for that first crop (fertilizer+Agriculturist can cut it down to 20 days) and a full week between harvests, and there's not much else to do during that downtime.
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TopicRob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl
11/27/19 12:26:29 AM
#45
HornedLion posted...
So, to my point, a child exhibits excellent eye contact, speech, name response... all things incompatible with ASD and then they lose it all after their vaccination. Thats a clear cause and effect.


No, that's a clear correlation (provided it is actually that clear, which is very difficult when you're dealing with subjective assessments performed in hindsight). Correlations are not causal relationships. They can be reason to investigate further to identify a causal relationship, but you cannot presume cause and effect with just a correlation. Look up the Bradford Hill Criteria if you want to learn more about the distinction and how it's applied to matters of public health.

HornedLion posted...
Is it that preposterous to think that a child under the age of 1 cannot have honey, pure... organic... natural honey(that gets filtered through the digestive system) because their body cannot handle it and possible bacteria that weve all been exposed to and inhabit us... but its okay for them to take a bunch of chemicals directly into the bloodstream with no ill effect?


All honey - however natural or organic - contains a known quantity of C. botulinum spores (that is, the dormant form of the bacterium that causes botulism). That concentration is too low to be dangerous to adults, but high enough to be dangerous to the undeveloped infant immune system. Filtering it through the digestive system has nothing to do with that, nor does it being "pure" or "natural." Ingesting a quantity of botulinum spores that is more than your immune system can handle will make you very, very sick. Why you're comparing something that has been conclusively found to be a serious risk with a well-documented and understood mechanism to something as vague as "a bunch of chemicals" with no identified mechanism of harmful action, I really don't know.

Also, most vaccines are delivered intramuscularly, not "directly into the bloodstream." Off-hand, I can't think of any intravenous vaccines. If you want to be taken seriously, you should probably try to get your facts straight and avoid jumping into transparent, melodramatic emotional appeals like that.
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