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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 7:14:30 PM
#120
hockeybub89 posted...
Bloodborne was not innovative. It is neither boring nor bland.
Ok?
TLOU2 was.

See. Your "they had no choice other than to be boring and bland" doesn't even work in your own argument that it's impossible to not just repeat the same old shit

Hell Bloodbourne and Sekiro only exists because Dark Souls was getting old so they tried new ideas to revamp the the game, focus on speed and guns no shield and stealth respectively.

Maybe TLOU2 could have tried giving Abby control over the dog? With some new gameplay mechanics, make the dog somewhat OP and then make it hit harder when Ellie kills it. Taking that away from you.
Off the top of my head but they couldn't be assed. To try anything.


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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 7:00:21 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...


I get up in the morning because I'm pretty sure I haven't consumed every piece of art in human history yet and people are putting out new work everyday.
And yet at the same time you claim TLOU2 has to be boring and bland and dull because it's impossible for it not be.

Hence why I don't believe you.

g0ldie posted...
it feels like people conflate ND calling out the haters (people who send death threats, complain about lesbian relationships, Abby's buffness, etc.) with them attacking people who just don't like the game.

like, there's nothing to suggest that ND criticized/attacked people for just not being into TLoU2, but now they're somehow using their characters who might belong to some marginalized group, or another, as some kinda shield for any kinda critique, whether it's valid or not.
I wasn't talking about Naughty Dog, I was talking about TLOU2 fans including in this topic.

It's a common defense to go "You're just saying the gameplay is dull and too long because Ellie is gay!" even though she was gay in the first game.

I don't think that was Naughty Dog's intention but without a doubt a lot of TLOU2 fanboys are doing it.

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:48:25 PM
#106
g0ldie posted...
smh @ at these conspiracies.

the people who are called out for being homophobic/transphobic, and so forth, are the ones who complain about the game being "woke", "SJW", and/or being full of "politics".

even though they're not views that I necessarily share, but there are a number of things you can criticize the game for without coming off as being bigoted - too long, too dark/bleak, walking simulator, boring, contrivances/coincidences, etc.

basically any criticism that you might throw at the game if basically everything about it was the same, but the main characters were male and straight.
I think his point is that people who bring up the complaints such as the boring gameplay, too long, terrible story, lazy enviroment design, bland characters, awful pacing etc are often dismissed as being bigoted as a lazy deflection to avoid those views.

They're not "coming across as bigoted." they're just being called it.

I mean users in this topic alone have openly said anyone who dislikes it is doing so to go against being woke.


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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:45:57 PM
#105
hockeybub89 posted...
No, I'm actually saying the facts don't care about my feelings or yours.

Opinions aren't facts.


Deadly Premonition is an objectively bad video game that I like. Civilization IV is an objectively good game that I do not like.

No those are opinions



There are objective qualities and subjective qualities.

Hyperliterally there aren't.

On some level I think I can agree in that there are some things so absurd I think no one would subjectively hold them

IE: A game with a 2 minute loading screen is better than the same game with a 3 second loading screen.

But on those aspects, TLOU2 is terrible. Long loading times and forced walking sections

Whether or not gameplay, story, characters, art design, sound design, use of color, control scheme etc is "Good or bad" is not objective, that's purely subjective.


Otherwise, you're saying the only difference between The Room and a Kubrick film is popular opinion.

No quite the opposite. That's what you're saying. You're saying The Shining and by extention PewDiePie and Donald Trump and McDonalds are objectively great things because they are popular and a lot of people like them.

And The Room is objectively bad because it's unpopular and a lot of people dislike it.

I'm saying there is no objective truth, only subjective perspectives. You can like or dislike something. Someone else will have a different experience.

Pizza doesn't objectively taste good because you like it and a lot of people agree with you.

You gotta be more open midned man. Things aren't objective just because you agree with them. That's the height of arrogance, boarderline religious fanaticism

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:39:15 PM
#102
hockeybub89 posted...
The Last of Us 1 did nothing new and people like Angry Joe sang an entirely different tune.

Because people have different opinions on different things. He liked the first one mainly for its story, he didn't like the story of this one and the lack of innovation following the generic gameplay of the first.



Innovation basically died a long time ago and that's okay.

Not only is that not true, it's also not okay


Everything has pretty much already been done before. Name a single critically acclaimed or UnfairRepresent-acclaimed piece of media of the past 15 years and I can guarantee you it wasn't innovative. Humanity was going to run out of ideas eventually. We've been making video games for 50+ years and writing stories for thousands.

Wut that's insane logic. Pressing buttons doesn't mean something can't be innovative.

Far Cry 3 was innovative despite building off FC2's gameplay because it added things. Wingsuits, wild animals that can attack you and enemies, outposts that can be attacked in multiple ways. It gave the MC a storyarc and made the 1st person perspective relevant.

Then 4/5/ND just did the same thing. They didn't continue adding new ideas or trying something different

Ass Creed 2 was innovative despite building off AC1, more buildings to climb, the villa, new equipment, more open ended missions.

Games like Shadow of the Colossus, Obra Din, Get Even, This War of Mine, Papers Please all try new things or new ways to tell stories.

The argument of "It's okay to be dull and generic because it's literally impossible not to be dull and generic so why do the effort of trying to be interesting or having passion for new ideas or improvements to existing ones." is so monumentally stupid on such a fundamental level that out of respect to your intelligence I refuse to believe that you actually think that.

A toddler wouldn't even accept that logic if you fed him Pizza 9 days in a row and then claimed there was nothing other than pizza to eat in the world so there's no point in trying anything different.

If you really believed this was the apex of humanity and nothing new or different can or ever will be created so everything no matter what is the best it can ever be or worse, you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning. What would be the point?

You're still throwing around a lot of subjective words and framing things in a way to make it sound like truth. "Some people just like boring, awful shit and applaud whatever they are told to like, while others prefer to think and experience new things."

Yes?

Your point?

Opinions are subjective. That is truth.

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:15:09 PM
#97
hockeybub89 posted...
Just because I don't like something doesn't means it's bad. I can dislike something which is objectively good.
There is no such thing as objectively good or bad. It's all subjective. It's all opinion.

You're confusing objectivity with popularity.
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A loading screen that takes 14 seconds is objectively less loading than one that takes 44

Whether or you liked Jesse the dymanic and facinating mutifasceted character that he was who makes you ask deep and probing questions about yourself as a person... Is subjective.

I hate this whole "This opinion is an objective fact because it's mine!" thing. It's so childish, close minded and arrogant

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:12:50 PM
#96
hockeybub89 posted...
Why do games have to bring anything new to the table? TLOU2 was an improvement on the first games mechanics in every way and continues Naughty Dog's history of being among the best looking games on a console in a given year.

If FromSoft made 25 Bloodborne sequels with only graphical upgrades and new enemies/setting, I'd give all of them 10/10.

I notice a pattern with TLOU2.

Every time some critizes it, they can give details and go into examples.

Anytime someone defends it, they can't. They just go "It's good." "They did good things." "They improved it."

In what way were the mechanics improved? Let alone every way?

Anyway that aside, no you're right, a game doesn't have to innovate. It can be generic and dull and boring and just repeat the same tired shit over and over knowing there's always going to be an audience for mainstream claptrap.

But as a gamer that kinda sucks. You want new ideas and new innovations, that's how games get better and more interesting.

This is why TLOU2 is so generic and meh. It's hard to get excited about something that does nothing expect spin the wheels.

Far Cry 3 was over a decade ago and had a better story, better characters, better gameplay, better loading times, more freedom. Since then Far Cry Primal, 4, 5, new Dawn and TLOU2 just do the same shit again but worse.

Some people just watch the latest Hollywood superhero movie and love it every time. Some people watch lots of movies and like plot and characters and new ideas and things happening.

Some people try different foods and drink and get bored if they eat the samething every day. Others eat 500 Wal-mart Microwave pizzas a year.

It's just different kinds of people and different kinds of mindsets.

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:07:38 PM
#93
g0ldie posted...
I think a story came out from a young woman about how AJ used his influence to creep on her and make her feel cornered and uncomfortable, but iirc, some people were saying that there were some issues with her story, and I don't know what happened after that
She backtracked when she was caught lying.

Said she never accused Joe of sexually assaulting her (Which is kind of wishy washy since while arguably hyperliterally true he did accuse her of being a creep sexually harrasing her and said things like "Hopefully other girls won't face the abuse I did due to my story!") and took back her claims.

Basically all the details that can be verified were proven to be untrue. Like her having her phone taken away and not being allowed to leave, just flat out didn't happen.

And other people at the event deny anything happened. Other Joe also claims to have been with Joe the entire time the girl was there and nothing happened (although obviously biased source is biased)

The entire story seems DOA. It's he said she said when she is a confirmed liar who already backtracked.

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 6:00:53 PM
#90
Tactical_Spork posted...
Isnt this guy a sexual predator

No that entire story was bullshit and the lady who said it retracted it and backtracked the moment Joe proved she was lying

Wasn't even like a ProJared or Pyrocynical thing where it turned out he was a weirdo. Joe really just didn't do anything

hockeybub89 posted...
Here we go with UR saying opinions are subjective and then explaining to the class how his opinion is the correct one.

Strawman, I never said.

In fact I literally went out of my way to talk about subjectivity:

UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah this is just pure arrogance.

New doesn't mean better
Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better.

CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated.
Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated.

This is total nonsense.

And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing.

That's crazy

Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques."

It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude.

Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here:

"There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews."

I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one

My favorite game of all time is FFIX.

I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game.

It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it.

That's life dude. Different strokes.


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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:57:13 PM
#86
hockeybub89 posted...
objectively good game

No that's subjective


with a highly controversial plot.

True. Lots of people love very basic by the numbers storytelling with no thought or nuance. But even plot aside the gameplay is entirely mediocre.

As Joe said, what did TLOU2 bring to the table in terms of game mechanics that wasn't in TLOU1 or over a dozen other much better games? More forced walking sections? Longer loading times?

Plenty of games with bad plots thrive, like rememeber Condemned: Criminal Origins? That's a great game.

GameGodOfAll posted...
Controversial in the same way wearing a mask is controversial. Idiots who don't like it turning it into an actual "thing" instead of just not liking it and moving on.


Erm, this topic alone including your post demonstrates that it's TLOU2 fans who are turning support/dislike of it into a "thing" not the dudes who didn't like it. Who have all moved on to better games.

Notice the fans of the other games on the list aren't melting down over other people not liking what they liked?

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:48:59 PM
#82
There's another Joe? Does he just make friends with joes so he can be the angry one?
I wish, that would be funny.

But yeah, Other Joe has been a staple of the show for a decade and seems pretty chill.

I absolutely love that they didn't give him a nickname like Muscle Joe or Happy Joe or something, just literally "Other Joe"

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:47:50 PM
#81
g0ldie posted...


I laugh when people get dramatic and say stuff like, TLoU2 betrayed its characters, fans, etc., though - it's just a game, whether you like it or not; you're not always going to like the direction(s) a story takes, and that's fine, but some people feel personally attacked by it.
Eh I get it.

People felt invested in the characters and lore and worldbuilding of the original game now don't give a shit about it or the sequels because they thought the game was so bad. It's about care and investment

I suspect you might be one of them if you didn't like the game.

If TLOU3 featured *MAjor spoilers for TLOU1/2*

Joel coming back and revealing he's not dead, them making a cure for Zombies out of baking Soda so they decide to go Ibiza for a party and then Abby marries a bear.

You'd be joining in the "The creators betrayed the series" talk.

I never was that invested so TLOU2 being mediocre with a bad story never bugged me that much but I was a big fan of Mass Effect and the terrible ending to ME3 really did feel like a gutpunch that permentantly damaged my ability to love and enjoy one of my favorite game series.

It's the same prinicpal. I get it.

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TopicHoly shit, England just got rocked by Scotland
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:37:20 PM
#19
Also to be fully fair to Ireland, the only reason they lost is that they got red carded like 15 minutes into the game when a dude smacked someone in the face.

Pretty sure if they had a full team they would have won. They're stronger on paper. But just like England yesterday, absolutely no discipline.

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TopicHoly shit, England just got rocked by Scotland
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:34:24 PM
#17
spikethedevil posted...
Damn was rooting for Ireland. Kind of odd that Northern and Republic share a team in Rugby but not in Football.
I think it's because if NI had it's own Rugby team they would be spanked by everyone everywhere all the time.

Sharing a club means that the best players in NI can join the team and bolster it but not pretend that they could make an entire team on their own.

Where as football is so popular, Northern Ireland can scrape a team together.

Even Italy would beat a Northern Ireland Rugby team.

People often ask "How come Fiji has never beaten England in Rugby" and it's because there's only like a pool of 600,000 adults to choose from. And how many are males between 18 and 35? Like 190,000?

And it's the same deal.

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02/07/21 5:30:26 PM
#73
Illuminoius posted...
how many shitty skits and unedited stream clips did he use to pad this video out to an hour in length?
Not that many?

Maybe like 7/8 minutes?

Video didn't really feel padded IMO. Except maybe that part where he "attacked" other Joe for the free to play thing.

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TopicHoly shit. Resident 'Welcome to the family son' Evil 7 is now over 4 years old.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:26:55 PM
#8
eston posted...
That feels about right. They've released multiple RE games since then
Well 2 is multiple I guess, but seems a little hyperbolic.

Between 2000 and 2004 they released 9 games.

Add a couple of weeks and make that 10

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TopicHoly shit, England just got rocked by Scotland
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:25:29 PM
#14
And Wales just upset Ireland too. 21 - 16

Been a good weekend for the lesser parts of the UK.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:23:28 PM
#71
Godnorgosh posted...
Haven't played most of these but there is no way TLoU deserves to be on that list, despite the overblown flaws and the whining about it
It was a pretty meh game.

I think there were just so few games of note last year that's hard to think of many that were worse. Let alone 10 of them.

You'd have to like to go Steam and look at crappy asset flipped indy games no one has heard of to build up that list.

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TopicHoly shit. Resident 'Welcome to the family son' Evil 7 is now over 4 years old.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:21:54 PM
#4
Garioshi posted...
Resident Evil has never been bad outside of CV and Umbrella Corps
Umbrella Corps
RE5
RE6
RE Dead Aim
RE Survivor
Survivor 2
Operation Raccoon City.

And although not "bad" games like Outbreak 2, Gaiden, RE4, Umbrella/Darkside chronicles. While not "bad" are just ok.

RE7 felt like a return to form. It took the decent storytelling of Rev 2 but the atmosphere of the original trilogy mixed in with more modern game design. Inspired by popularity of P.T, they picked up the ball and ran with it.

It was good.

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TopicHoly shit. Resident 'Welcome to the family son' Evil 7 is now over 4 years old.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 5:13:23 PM
#1
Feels like it was only 8 months or so ago that Resident Evil got good again.

Then they followed it up with the excellent RE2make and the pretty good RE3make.

Time flies man. That still feels like a new game to me

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TopicScenario: Carlos turns up at your home, carrying an unconcious Jill Valetine
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 3:32:19 PM
#7
Dark_SilverX posted...
what is a Nemesis
A giant mutant zombie thing with a parastite in it that dedicates its life to trying to kill Kill Valentine and her friends.

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TopicScenario: Carlos turns up at your home, carrying an unconcious Jill Valetine
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 2:47:09 PM
#4
PipeHam posted...
No idea what you're talking about, or who Carlos is or Jill Valetine
Valentine*

It was a typo

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 2:42:05 PM
#1
Would you let her stay at your place?


And says she's been infected by the NE-T virus after being penetrated by Nemesis and she needs a place to rest while he goes and finds a cure.

He says he was going to leave her at the church but it's full of zombies and not safe so he came here.



Would you look after infected Jill in your home? Or tell him to get lost?

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02/07/21 2:00:43 PM
#68
RadiantJoyrock posted...
No, but newer CGI techniques are objectively better
No... That's not that works. That's not how any of this works.

That's just arrogance, not objectivity. "Better" is always an opinion. It's how you percieve something and how it's done. That's almost the definition of art.

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02/07/21 1:52:24 PM
#65
Atralis posted...
I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered.

I feel like most of the people raging against the game were kids that never played warcraft 3 in their lives.
I haven't played the game but I think you're being unfair.

It was missing content that was in the original, they advertised things that then weren't in the game and they took the original off sale to promote buying the new one.

Even if you personally enjoyed it, I don't see how you can claim the people who didn't like it "Where just kids who never played it before!" especially considering the loudest voices were 35+ year olds who were mad that the original was better

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02/07/21 1:50:37 PM
#64
RadiantJoyrock posted...
Wrong. A more advanced technique is going to be better overall.
Yeah this is just pure arrogance.

New doesn't mean better
Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better.

CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated.
Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated.

This is total nonsense.

And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing.

That's crazy

Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques."

It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude.

Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here:

"There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews."

I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one

My favorite game of all time is FFIX.

I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game.

It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it.

That's life dude. Different strokes.

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TopicScenario: Your teenage daughter is drawing weird pictures of Disney characters.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:39:08 PM
#9
monkmith posted...
then suggest she use a pseudonym and to never meet her fans.
Good advice

Also never talk directly to your fans.

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02/07/21 1:37:38 PM
#60
RadiantJoyrock posted...
Wrong.

RadiantJoyrock posted...
Wrong.
Yeah this is where I disagree with you completely.

"It's new and 'avanced'" doesn't mean it's better quality by default.

That's just pure unfiltered close-minded arrogance and a deeply unhealthy way to look at the world and others.

What are you going to do next time you cook an "Objectively high quality dinner" for your friends and they all hate it because it tates shit?

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02/07/21 1:32:37 PM
#56
GameGodOfAll posted...
Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity.
He's claiming TLOU2 is objectively good because it was popular, therefore the opinions of people who like it are objective truths.

RadiantJoyrock posted...
No, actually it's like saying it uses more advanced filmmaking techniques, better acting, better writing, better themes, etc etc, and so it is objectively a better made movie.
"Better" is not objective

And "more advanced techniques" =/= "better techniques"

It's all subjective. Quality is subjective, "better" is subjective.

I can kinda see your point on some things. Like EG short loading times and unskippable cutscenes etc. While subjective it's hard to argue reasonably that long loading times and no optional ability to skill cutscenes is a good thing.

No my knowlege there's no mod to Hotline Miami that adds a 2 minute loading screen after death

But TLOU2 is awful for that, long loading times and unskippable forced walking sections.

And quality of content is and always will be subjective opinion.

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02/07/21 1:28:35 PM
#52
M_Live posted...
The Shining is objectively a better film than Sharknado. You can prefer one to the other, but to abjectly disregard quality is just wrong. I hate when people act like art has to completley lack objectivity, it would make criticism meaningless.
lol no it's not.

You're just saying "I like it more, therefore the opinion is objective." it's so arrogant.

Objectivity has absolutely nothing to do with criticism. Quite the opposite, if there were objectively true opinions then there would be no such thing as criticism.

By your logic PewDiePie is objectively the greatest youtuber ever because he's popular

You say "abjectively disregard quality!" When quality is also subjective

You're just acting childish, saying anyone who disagrees with you is wrong rather than just different to yourself.

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TopicAngry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:21:57 PM
#48
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Lol no there's not

Are you a robot?


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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:17:51 PM
#43
RadiantJoyrock posted...
It's an objectively bad opinion.

Didn't like the game? That's fine and completely understandable. Call it the second worst game of the year? Now you're a joke.
"if you don't like what I like then you're objectively wrong! How dare anyone think differently to ME!"

Jeez how arrogant can you be?

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:15:33 PM
#39
RadiantJoyrock posted...
Comparing a full price game to a free game. Try again.

The cosmetics are completely optional, do not effect the gameplay in any way, and you get a shit ton of content absolutely free. There is no argument for them making the game bad that does not make you look and sound extremely entitled.

LOL

"I think this is bad" "OMG You're so ENTILTED To think that!"

Try that on your friend.... Oh wait... Try that on someone online next time you see a movie.

"I didn't like Spiderman 14"
"OMG you're so entitled!"

Yeah you can think a game is bad for being boring, generic and having incredibly harmful and stupid marketing practices designed to hurt the vulnrable that have knock on effects justifying said bad practices and actively making the games industry worse

And there is 0 entitlement in openly saying you dislike this and encouraging others not to roll over so they can stomp on the other side of your face.

Honest question: Do you believe anybody is paying $100 for a red skin gun who isn't either an addict, someone who made a mistake or a child who got control of their parents bank details?

If your answer is yes then you're deluding yourself.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:11:08 PM
#34
^Case and point.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:10:40 PM
#8
lzual posted...
@UnfairRepresent this topic is for you bro
What have I lied about?

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 1:06:45 PM
#32
YourDrunkFather posted...
How triggered do you have to be to put TLOU2 as the literal second worst game of 2020?
It was the 3rd worst game from 2020 that I played too. Although I only played 14 games that came out in 2020.

It just wasn't a good year for gaming TBH. All around mediocrity. There were no truly awful or truly masterpiece games of note. Possibly covid played a hand in that

My best of 2020 list BTW:

14.Vanquish (Game literally didn't work)
13.Walking Dead Season 4
12.The Last of Us 2
11.Bayonetta.
10.FF7R
9.DBZ Kakarot
8.Catherine: Full Body
7.Mafia 3: Definitive Edition
6.Doom Eternal
5.Ghost of Tusshima
4.Dead Or School
3.The Outer Worlds
2.Metro Redux (yes I'm counting it as one game)
1.Residen Evil 3 Remake.

But before RE3make gets to feel good about itself, it's more that this was just a bad year for gaming as I said. It wasn't even as good as RE2make. In fact I'm tempted to put Metro Redux above it, the only reason I didn't is that it was kinda janky were as RE3make was pretty consistent in gameplay/glitches. I never had any problems anyway.

Just reverse it to get the worst list lol

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 12:51:25 PM
#5
ApherosyLove posted...
Carry on.
How would you react if she wasn't? Or if the numbers shot down?

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 12:43:44 PM
#28
Shablagoo posted...
In technical terms, its at the forefront of gaming. Visuals, sound design, facial animation, etc. Theres no denying that, regardless of your feelings on the story or gameplay or voice acting or whatever else.

Erm yes you can deny that. Quite easy.

I don't even think the sound design in Last of Us 2 is that good. Cry of Fear has better use of sound and that's a free game made by largely 1 person.

And "Visuals" is debatable as fuck. If you mean like graphical fidelity? Framerate, resolution etc. Then yeah it's high but that doesn't translate to a game being good. Art design goes a long way and lots of the visuals in TLOU2 are bland and dull.

Grays, boring enviroments, boring character designs. There is no clever use of graphics to achieve anything unusual or interesting moments. Something like Sonic 3 or This War of Mine is much lower in resolution but has a much stronger art design that fits the theme and fun of the game.

"This game is better because it has a higher resolution" is a strange take to me. Those crappy PS2/PS3 games you played a decade ago had better graphics than the ones that came a decade before it, how come you're not coming over them?

Or are you're saying the TLOU2 is objectively great due to visuals while at the same time saying the visuals are are complete shit in 10 years when games with better graphics come out?

It seems like such a strange stance to me. The kind of person who would call Order 1886 a masterpiece.

It's such a mechanical approach. "Can we quatify something into numbers? Yes? Well then the thing with higher numbers is better by default no matter what. You're not allowed to think or argue with the numbers."

Maybe Ensign Vorik would agree with you

Silent Hill 2 is near 20 years old and has better art direction and sound design despite being far more primative in terms of numbers, because the people who made it actually cared.

RadiantJoyrock posted...
Which is idiotic. The prices are ridiculous, but the game is free, and gives a ton of content for free, so they can charge as much as they want for skins and it won't be a reason to hate the game.
I disagree

"These shitty businsess practices that take advantage of people are okay" is a very bootlicker defense that only exists in the realm of gaming. No other market would accept that nonsense.

People should be complaining about it more, not less. All normalizing it does is submit so other companies can continue to do the same only worse and make the practice common.

Just look at what happened between Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War to see that.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 12:21:52 PM
#24
jason19192 posted...
Valorant is free to play.
That's not an excuse for bland, boring generic gameplay and terrible microtransactions. It's still bad

VerisimiIitude posted...
People are really upset about The Last of Us part 2. Havent personally played it yet but it really seems to be a love it or hate it affair.

Not really?

That's just what people who love it claim. In reality most people thought it was meh, that's actually the largest camp.

It's just that the guys who love it get really angry and scream real loud at people who don't. So it seems more polaralizing than it is.

Look how angry Joe (no pun intended) made users in this topic just by not liking it.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:26:53 AM
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jason19192 posted...
I think Joe gets a bad rap because he hardly has any critical thinking and just follows the popular opinion on the internet.
I like that you're saying that in the same topic that has people screaming at him for not liking TLOU which is wrong because the popular opinion is to like it.

Joe likes Triple A games sure, but he has a track record of being honest and liking some games most people didn't and disliking some games that are very popular.

Dude is pretty consistent and I don't see how he lacks "Criticial thinking" when his reviews are usually like 30/40 minutes long, packed with praise and criticism of everything from gameplay to story to grapics to lighting to performance to ports.

Can't say I agree with you on this one.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:21:42 AM
#3
Alteres posted...


Some of those artists make insane money.
Yeah that was the inspiration for this topic.

I know someone who is making 10+ Grand a month just drawing stupid pictures that aren't even that good.

I admit I'm a little jealous because I can't draw for shit.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:19:27 AM
#17
M_Live posted...
Lmao @ putting tlou2 on a worst list. Regardless of how you feel about the story, its objectively a well made game
I wish people would stop saying "Objectively" or "Regardless of how YOU feel" to mean "In my opinion."

It makes you come across so damn arrogant and close minded.

Any opinion on TLOU2 or any other game is subjective

Doe posted...
Angry Joe is like the videogame equivalent of Nostalgia Critic so no thanks lmao


He's way better than the Nostalgia Critic IMO.

Less skits and they are shorter, actually has some intelligent commentary on games, respects single and multiplayer. Still has genuine passion for games after over a decade of doing this shit.

I think Joe gets a bad rap due to his obnoxious "pretending to be mad" performative screaming.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:16:04 AM
#1
Your 16 year old daughter's other parent is concerned after discovering weird pictures on your daughter's laptop. Of things along the lines of Elsa with huge feet or Tiana as 700 foot tall giant destroying San Francisco like a Kaiju or Gaston and Flynn Rider going skiing together using boots made from The Beast's hide.

This artwork has been shared online and the other parent wants you to talk to your daughter about it.

"But daaaad. You're the one who's always saying how like important it is to get a job. I'm getting like over $8,700 a month in comminsions while my friend Brad is making like $7.25 an hour to like stack shelves all day. What's like, wrong with that?" Your daughter says while trying to hide her latest artwork.



None of them are nude or sexual, or even seemingly erotic to the uninitialted. But you can immediately tell these are all fuel for perverted weirdos with incredibly specific fetishes.

How do you react?
What do you do?

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:06:12 AM
#7
Alteres posted...
I was going to ask what is wrong with Valorant
Y....yo....you could watch the video and find out?

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TopicBiden's approval rating among Republicans is 11%
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 11:04:50 AM
#128
I kinda have to agree.

The "unity" talk is pointless among people who

  1. Hate you
  2. Openly refuse to accept reality and believe whatever they want
What did Churchil say? "You do not negociate with a tiger when your head is in it's mouth."

Every call for "unity" is just going to be met with a slap in the face.

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TopicReddit makes no sense in regards to celebrity leaks
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 10:46:29 AM
#3
The worship and stalking/harrasing of celbrities is fucking weird to me

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TopicUK army is terrible and useless for Nato claims report.
UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 10:44:28 AM
#38
Solid Sonic posted...
You're saying their millitaries are weak?

Canada I think is true. Can't speak to Australia's military.
Australia's military is weak but no that's not what I am saying. It's just no one ever talks about or cares about what Australia and Canada were up too in either war. Because they were both small players and pretty much England's pet dogs.

Japan cared so little about Australia that in their planned invasion of it (which never occured) they flat out had prefectures and supply lines penciled in for the middle of the outback...

Anyone who knows anything about Australia knows how idiotic that is.... Japan cared so little about them that their invasion plans would fail a GSCE Geography homework assignment.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 10:40:10 AM
#1
https://youtu.be/n80S2Y9Jrmw?t=79

10. Crucible
9. Hyperscape
8. Madden 2020
8. Fifa 2020 (Switch)
7. Valorant
6. Predator: Hunting Grounds
5. Cyberpunk 2077
4. Warcraft 3: Reforged
3. Marvel's Avengers
2. The Last of Us: Part 2
1. Fast and Furious: Crossroads

Lol @ putting Warcraft 3 above Last of Us 2.

I haven't played it so I can't judge myself but you just know that's going to cause some severe "REeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"ing from fanboys on both sides.

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UnfairRepresent
02/07/21 10:32:50 AM
#35
Canada and Australia too for the record, didn't really do anything wrong and just kinda got dragged into it.

But no one seems to care about them.

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