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UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 1:28:35 PM #52:	M_Live posted... The Shining is objectively a better film than Sharknado. You can prefer one to the other, but to abjectly disregard quality is just wrong. I hate when people act like art has to completley lack objectivity, it would make criticism meaningless. lol no it's not. You're just saying "I like it more, therefore the opinion is objective." it's so arrogant. Objectivity has absolutely nothing to do with criticism. Quite the opposite, if there were objectively true opinions then there would be no such thing as criticism. By your logic PewDiePie is objectively the greatest youtuber ever because he's popular You say "abjectively disregard quality!" When quality is also subjective You're just acting childish, saying anyone who disagrees with you is wrong rather than just different to yourself. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950379296] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>M_Live posted... </cite> <quote>The Shining is objectively a better film than Sharknado. You can prefer one to the other, but to abjectly disregard quality is just wrong. I hate when people act like art has to completley lack objectivity, it would make criticism meaningless.</quote>lol no it's not. You're just saying "I like it more, therefore the opinion is objective." it's so arrogant. Objectivity has absolutely nothing to do with criticism. Quite the opposite, if there were objectively true opinions then there would be no such thing as criticism. By your logic PewDiePie is objectively the greatest youtuber ever because he's popular You say "abjectively disregard quality!" When quality is also subjective You're just acting childish, saying anyone who disagrees with you is wrong rather than just different to yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:29:36 PM #53:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're just saying "I like it more, therefore the opinion is objective." it's so arrogant. No, actually it's like saying it uses more advanced filmmaking techniques, better acting, better writing, better themes, etc etc, and so it is objectively a better made movie. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379333] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're just saying "I like it more, therefore the opinion is objective." it's so arrogant.</quote>No, actually it's like saying it uses more advanced filmmaking techniques, better acting, better writing, better themes, etc etc, and so it is objectively a better made movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameGodOfAll 02/07/21 1:30:04 PM #54:	UnfairRepresent posted... By your logic PewDiePie is objectively the greatest youtuber ever because he's popular Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity. --- My Words Were True And Sheamus Made You Believe! https://imgur.com/Fc39f <cite>GameGodOfAll posted [p:950379352] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>By your logic PewDiePie is objectively the greatest youtuber ever because he's popular</quote>Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:31:40 PM #55:	GameGodOfAll posted... Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity. UR never actually bothers to understand the arguments he gets into. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379398] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>GameGodOfAll posted... </cite> <quote>Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity.</quote>UR never actually bothers to understand the arguments he gets into. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 1:32:37 PM #56:	GameGodOfAll posted... Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity. He's claiming TLOU2 is objectively good because it was popular, therefore the opinions of people who like it are objective truths. RadiantJoyrock posted... No, actually it's like saying it uses more advanced filmmaking techniques, better acting, better writing, better themes, etc etc, and so it is objectively a better made movie. "Better" is not objective And "more advanced techniques" =/= "better techniques" It's all subjective. Quality is subjective, "better" is subjective. I can kinda see your point on some things. Like EG short loading times and unskippable cutscenes etc. While subjective it's hard to argue reasonably that long loading times and no optional ability to skill cutscenes is a good thing. No my knowlege there's no mod to Hotline Miami that adds a 2 minute loading screen after death But TLOU2 is awful for that, long loading times and unskippable forced walking sections. And quality of content is and always will be subjective opinion. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950379424] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>GameGodOfAll posted... </cite> <quote>Where in the WORLD are you getting that from? He's talking about quality, not popularity.</quote>He's claiming TLOU2 is objectively good because it was popular, therefore the opinions of people who like it are objective truths. RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>No, actually it's like saying it uses more advanced filmmaking techniques, better acting, better writing, better themes, etc etc, and so it is objectively a better made movie.</quote>"Better" is not objective And "more advanced techniques" =/= "better techniques" It's all subjective. Quality is subjective, "better" is subjective. I can kinda see your point on some things. Like EG short loading times and unskippable cutscenes etc. While subjective it's hard to argue reasonably that long loading times and no optional ability to skill cutscenes is a good thing. No my knowlege there's no mod to Hotline Miami that adds a 2 minute loading screen after death But TLOU2 is awful for that, long loading times and unskippable forced walking sections. And quality of content is and always will be subjective opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 02/07/21 1:33:30 PM #57:	ITT: Joe calls out the trash and the kids who play in the garbage get upset. --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:950379462] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>ITT: Joe calls out the trash and the kids who play in the garbage get upset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:35:30 PM #58:	UnfairRepresent posted... And "more advanced techniques" =/= "better techniques" Wrong. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379521] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>And "more advanced techniques" =/= "better techniques"</quote>Wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:35:52 PM #59:	UnfairRepresent posted... He's claiming TLOU2 is objectively good because it was popular, therefore the opinions of people who like it are objective truths. That's actually not what he's claiming at all. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379530] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>He's claiming TLOU2 is objectively good because it was popular, therefore the opinions of people who like it are objective truths.</quote>That's actually not what he's claiming at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 1:37:38 PM #60:	RadiantJoyrock posted... Wrong. RadiantJoyrock posted... Wrong. Yeah this is where I disagree with you completely. "It's new and 'avanced'" doesn't mean it's better quality by default. That's just pure unfiltered close-minded arrogance and a deeply unhealthy way to look at the world and others. What are you going to do next time you cook an "Objectively high quality dinner" for your friends and they all hate it because it tates shit? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950379585] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong.</quote> RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong.</quote>Yeah this is where I disagree with you completely. "It's new and 'avanced'" doesn't mean it's better quality by default. That's just pure unfiltered close-minded arrogance and a deeply unhealthy way to look at the world and others. What are you going to do next time you cook an "Objectively high quality dinner" for your friends and they all hate it because it tates shit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:41:27 PM #61:	UnfairRepresent posted... "It's new and 'avanced'" doesn't mean it's better quality by default. Wrong. A more advanced technique is going to be better overall. There may be better uses for an older technique, and using advanced techniques doesn't automatically make your movie or game better, but that doesn't change that different techniques absolutely can be objectively better. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379687] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>"It's new and 'avanced'" doesn't mean it's better quality by default.</quote>Wrong. A more advanced technique is going to be better overall. There may be better uses for an older technique, and using advanced techniques doesn't automatically make your movie or game better, but that doesn't change that different techniques absolutely can be objectively better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 02/07/21 1:44:58 PM #62:	I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered. I feel like most of the people raging against the game were kids that never played warcraft 3 in their lives. <cite>Atralis posted [p:950379798] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered. I feel like most of the people raging against the game were kids that never played warcraft 3 in their lives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:50:23 PM #63:	Atralis posted... I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered. The problem is that it actually screwed up a lot of things in the game, and changed gameplay notably <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950379979] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Atralis posted... </cite> <quote>I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered.</quote>The problem is that it actually screwed up a lot of things in the game, and changed gameplay notably </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 1:50:37 PM #64:	RadiantJoyrock posted... Wrong. A more advanced technique is going to be better overall. Yeah this is just pure arrogance. New doesn't mean better Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better. CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. This is total nonsense. And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing. That's crazy Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques." It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude. Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here: "There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews." I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one My favorite game of all time is FFIX. I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game. It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it. That's life dude. Different strokes. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950379989] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong. A more advanced technique is going to be better overall.</quote>Yeah this is just pure arrogance. New doesn't mean better Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better. CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. This is total nonsense. And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing. That's crazy Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques." It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude. Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here: "There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews." I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one My favorite game of all time is FFIX. I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game. It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it. That's life dude. Different strokes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 1:52:24 PM #65:	Atralis posted... I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered. I feel like most of the people raging against the game were kids that never played warcraft 3 in their lives. I haven't played the game but I think you're being unfair. It was missing content that was in the original, they advertised things that then weren't in the game and they took the original off sale to promote buying the new one. Even if you personally enjoyed it, I don't see how you can claim the people who didn't like it "Where just kids who never played it before!" especially considering the loudest voices were 35+ year olds who were mad that the original was better --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950380055] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Atralis posted... </cite> <quote>I actually liked wc3 reforged. I get how people that were still playing the old game would be put off by the changes but if all you wanted was the wc3 campaign with better graphics then reforged delivered. I feel like most of the people raging against the game were kids that never played warcraft 3 in their lives.</quote>I haven't played the game but I think you're being unfair. It was missing content that was in the original, they advertised things that then weren't in the game and they took the original off sale to promote buying the new one. Even if you personally enjoyed it, I don't see how you can claim the people who didn't like it "Where just kids who never played it before!" especially considering the loudest voices were 35+ year olds who were mad that the original was better </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 02/07/21 1:53:29 PM #66:	RadiantJoyrock posted... The problem is that it actually screwed up a lot of things in the game, and changed gameplay notably I played the entire reign of chaos campaign through and I didn't notice any changes to the gameplay. I honestly feel that the game was review bombed by people that never once played the classic campaign and were just looking for something to dump on. <cite>Atralis posted [p:950380097] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>The problem is that it actually screwed up a lot of things in the game, and changed gameplay notably</quote> I played the entire reign of chaos campaign through and I didn't notice any changes to the gameplay. I honestly feel that the game was review bombed by people that never once played the classic campaign and were just looking for something to dump on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 02/07/21 1:54:01 PM #67:	UnfairRepresent posted... CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. No, but newer CGI techniques are objectively better, which is what the actual argument is. Just like techniques and style for hand drawn animation can be objectively better or worse. <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:950380111] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated.</quote>No, but newer CGI techniques are objectively better, which is what the actual argument is. Just like techniques and style for hand drawn animation can be objectively better or worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 2:00:43 PM #68:	RadiantJoyrock posted... No, but newer CGI techniques are objectively better No... That's not that works. That's not how any of this works. That's just arrogance, not objectivity. "Better" is always an opinion. It's how you percieve something and how it's done. That's almost the definition of art. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950380323] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>RadiantJoyrock posted... </cite> <quote>No, but newer CGI techniques are objectively better</quote>No... That's not that works. That's not how any of this works. That's just arrogance, not objectivity. "Better" is always an opinion. It's how you percieve something and how it's done. That's almost the definition of art. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 02/07/21 2:01:27 PM #69:	That may be the worst list ever <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:950380350] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>That may be the worst list ever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 5:23:28 PM #71:	Godnorgosh posted... Haven't played most of these but there is no way TLoU deserves to be on that list, despite the overblown flaws and the whining about it It was a pretty meh game. I think there were just so few games of note last year that's hard to think of many that were worse. Let alone 10 of them. You'd have to like to go Steam and look at crappy asset flipped indy games no one has heard of to build up that list. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950386727] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>Haven't played most of these but there is no way TLoU deserves to be on that list, despite the overblown flaws and the whining about it</quote>It was a pretty meh game. I think there were just so few games of note last year that's hard to think of many that were worse. Let alone 10 of them. You'd have to like to go Steam and look at crappy asset flipped indy games no one has heard of to build up that list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Illuminoius 02/07/21 5:29:05 PM #72:	how many shitty skits and unedited stream clips did he use to pad this video out to an hour in length? <cite>Illuminoius posted [p:950386921] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>how many shitty skits and unedited stream clips did he use to pad this video out to an hour in length? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 5:30:26 PM #73:	Illuminoius posted... how many shitty skits and unedited stream clips did he use to pad this video out to an hour in length? Not that many? Maybe like 7/8 minutes? Video didn't really feel padded IMO. Except maybe that part where he "attacked" other Joe for the free to play thing. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950386973] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Illuminoius posted... </cite> <quote>how many shitty skits and unedited stream clips did he use to pad this video out to an hour in length?</quote>Not that many? Maybe like 7/8 minutes? Video didn't really feel padded IMO. Except maybe that part where he "attacked" other Joe for the free to play thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 02/07/21 5:35:28 PM #74:	Having TLOU2 on that list automatically makes it a joke list. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:950387133] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Having TLOU2 on that list automatically makes it a joke list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 02/07/21 5:40:47 PM #75:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... I forgot F&F Crossroads even existed. That made me rewatch his review with Other Joe as Olive Garden Vin Diesel lol. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:950387293] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>I forgot F&F Crossroads even existed.</quote> That made me rewatch his review with Other Joe as Olive Garden Vin Diesel lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 02/07/21 5:40:53 PM #76:	First Worst Games of 2020 list I saw that didn't include WWE Battlegrounds. --- If reading my posts gives you an erection lasting longer than four hours, you're welcome. <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:950387297] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>First Worst Games of 2020 list I saw that didn't include WWE Battlegrounds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 02/07/21 5:41:28 PM #77:	tbh, I haven't followed Angry Joe's stuff after seeing that in each review of his, he spoils the story of the game he's reviewing, so it's better to watch his reviews after playing a game you're interested in (if you care about spoilers), which defeats the purpose of a review in the first place. anyway, I disagree with TLoU2 being on the worst list, but to each their own. I laugh when people get dramatic and say stuff like, TLoU2 betrayed its characters, fans, etc., though - it's just a game, whether you like it or not; you're not always going to like the direction(s) a story takes, and that's fine, but some people feel personally attacked by it. --- The means of production should belong to the collective unconscious <cite>g0ldie posted [p:950387324] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>tbh, I haven't followed Angry Joe's stuff after seeing that in each review of his, he spoils the story of the game he's reviewing, so it's better to watch his reviews after playing a game you're interested in (if you care about spoilers), which defeats the purpose of a review in the first place. anyway, I disagree with TLoU2 being on the worst list, but to each their own. I laugh when people get dramatic and say stuff like, TLoU2 betrayed its characters, fans, etc., though - it's just a game, whether you like it or not; you're not always going to like the direction(s) a story takes, and that's fine, but some people feel personally attacked by it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 02/07/21 5:43:29 PM #78:	There's another Joe? Does he just make friends with joes so he can be the angry one? --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:950387387] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>There's another Joe? Does he just make friends with joes so he can be the angry one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 02/07/21 5:44:39 PM #79:	On my World of Warcraft account, I have the mount that you get for buying Warcraft 3: Reforged. It's the only mount that I regret having. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:950387421] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>On my World of Warcraft account, I have the mount that you get for buying Warcraft 3: Reforged. It's the only mount that I regret having. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 02/07/21 5:44:51 PM #80:	from what I've seen, "Other Joe" seems pretty chill --- The means of production should belong to the collective unconscious <cite>g0ldie posted [p:950387430] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>from what I've seen, "Other Joe" seems pretty chill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 5:47:50 PM #81:	g0ldie posted... I laugh when people get dramatic and say stuff like, TLoU2 betrayed its characters, fans, etc., though - it's just a game, whether you like it or not; you're not always going to like the direction(s) a story takes, and that's fine, but some people feel personally attacked by it. Eh I get it. People felt invested in the characters and lore and worldbuilding of the original game now don't give a shit about it or the sequels because they thought the game was so bad. It's about care and investment I suspect you might be one of them if you didn't like the game. If TLOU3 featured MAjor spoilers for TLOU1/2 ~~Joel coming back and revealing he's not dead, them making a cure for Zombies out of baking Soda so they decide to go Ibiza for a party and then Abby marries a bear.~~ You'd be joining in the "The creators betrayed the series" talk. I never was that invested so TLOU2 being mediocre with a bad story never bugged me that much but I was a big fan of Mass Effect and the terrible ending to ME3 really did feel like a gutpunch that permentantly damaged my ability to love and enjoy one of my favorite game series. It's the same prinicpal. I get it. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950387518] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>g0ldie posted... </cite> <quote> I laugh when people get dramatic and say stuff like, TLoU2 betrayed its characters, fans, etc., though - it's just a game, whether you like it or not; you're not always going to like the direction(s) a story takes, and that's fine, but some people feel personally attacked by it.</quote>Eh I get it. People felt invested in the characters and lore and worldbuilding of the original game now don't give a shit about it or the sequels because they thought the game was so bad. It's about care and investment I suspect you might be one of them if you didn't like the game. If TLOU3 featured MAjor spoilers for TLOU1/2 Joel coming back and revealing he's not dead, them making a cure for Zombies out of baking Soda so they decide to go Ibiza for a party and then Abby marries a bear. You'd be joining in the "The creators betrayed the series" talk. I never was that invested so TLOU2 being mediocre with a bad story never bugged me that much but I was a big fan of Mass Effect and the terrible ending to ME3 really did feel like a gutpunch that permentantly damaged my ability to love and enjoy one of my favorite game series. It's the same prinicpal. I get it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 5:48:59 PM #82:	There's another Joe? Does he just make friends with joes so he can be the angry one? I wish, that would be funny. But yeah, Other Joe has been a staple of the show for a decade and seems pretty chill. I absolutely love that they didn't give him a nickname like Muscle Joe or Happy Joe or something, just literally "Other Joe" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950387554] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote><quote>There's another Joe? Does he just make friends with joes so he can be the angry one?</quote>I wish, that would be funny. But yeah, Other Joe has been a staple of the show for a decade and seems pretty chill. I absolutely love that they didn't give him a nickname like Muscle Joe or Happy Joe or something, just literally "Other Joe" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 5:53:14 PM #83:	The Last of Us 2 is an objectively good game with a highly controversial plot. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950387676] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>The Last of Us 2 is an objectively good game with a highly controversial plot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameGodOfAll 02/07/21 5:55:56 PM #84:	hockeybub89 posted... The Last of Us 2 is an objectively good game with a highly controversial plot. Controversial in the same way wearing a mask is controversial. Idiots who don't like it turning it into an actual "thing" instead of just not liking it and moving on. --- My Words Were True And Sheamus Made You Believe! https://imgur.com/Fc39f <cite>GameGodOfAll posted [p:950387767] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>The Last of Us 2 is an objectively good game with a highly controversial plot.</quote>Controversial in the same way wearing a mask is controversial. Idiots who don't like it turning it into an actual "thing" instead of just not liking it and moving on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 02/07/21 5:56:19 PM #85:	Yeah! Fuck Tlou2. AJs alright. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:950387777] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Yeah! Fuck Tlou2. AJs alright. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 5:57:13 PM #86:	hockeybub89 posted... objectively good game No that's subjective with a highly controversial plot. True. Lots of people love very basic by the numbers storytelling with no thought or nuance. But even plot aside the gameplay is entirely mediocre. As Joe said, what did TLOU2 bring to the table in terms of game mechanics that wasn't in TLOU1 or over a dozen other much better games? More forced walking sections? Longer loading times? Plenty of games with bad plots thrive, like rememeber Condemned: Criminal Origins? That's a great game. GameGodOfAll posted... Controversial in the same way wearing a mask is controversial. Idiots who don't like it turning it into an actual "thing" instead of just not liking it and moving on. Erm, this topic alone including your post demonstrates that it's TLOU2 fans who are turning support/dislike of it into a "thing" not the dudes who didn't like it. Who have all moved on to better games. Notice the fans of the other games on the list aren't melting down over other people not liking what they liked? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950387804] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>objectively good game</quote> No that's subjective <quote> with a highly controversial plot.</quote> True. Lots of people love very basic by the numbers storytelling with no thought or nuance. But even plot aside the gameplay is entirely mediocre. As Joe said, what did TLOU2 bring to the table in terms of game mechanics that wasn't in TLOU1 or over a dozen other much better games? More forced walking sections? Longer loading times? Plenty of games with bad plots thrive, like rememeber Condemned: Criminal Origins? That's a great game. GameGodOfAll posted... </cite> <quote>Controversial in the same way wearing a mask is controversial. Idiots who don't like it turning it into an actual "thing" instead of just not liking it and moving on.</quote> Erm, this topic alone including your post demonstrates that it's TLOU2 fans who are turning support/dislike of it into a "thing" not the dudes who didn't like it. Who have all moved on to better games. Notice the fans of the other games on the list aren't melting down over other people not liking what they liked? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tactical_Spork 02/07/21 5:58:21 PM #87:	Isnt this guy a sexual predator --- butthole666 https://imgur.com/6GJoJ <cite>Tactical_Spork posted [p:950387854] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Isnt this guy a sexual predator </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 5:58:44 PM #88:	Here we go with UR saying opinions are subjective and then explaining to the class how his opinion is the correct one. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950387867] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Here we go with UR saying opinions are subjective and then explaining to the class how his opinion is the correct one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drrobotniks 02/07/21 5:59:42 PM #89:	Tactical_Spork posted... Isnt this guy a sexual predator no <cite>Drrobotniks posted [p:950387896] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Tactical_Spork posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt this guy a sexual predator</quote>no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 6:00:53 PM #90:	Tactical_Spork posted... Isnt this guy a sexual predator No that entire story was bullshit and the lady who said it retracted it and backtracked the moment Joe proved she was lying Wasn't even like a ProJared or Pyrocynical thing where it turned out he was a weirdo. Joe really just didn't do anything hockeybub89 posted... Here we go with UR saying opinions are subjective and then explaining to the class how his opinion is the correct one. Strawman, I never said. In fact I literally went out of my way to talk about subjectivity: UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah this is just pure arrogance. New doesn't mean better Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better. CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. This is total nonsense. And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing. That's crazy Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques." It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude. Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here: "There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews." I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one My favorite game of all time is FFIX. I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game. It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it. That's life dude. Different strokes. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950387934] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Tactical_Spork posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt this guy a sexual predator</quote> No that entire story was bullshit and the lady who said it retracted it and backtracked the moment Joe proved she was lying Wasn't even like a ProJared or Pyrocynical thing where it turned out he was a weirdo. Joe really just didn't do anything hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Here we go with UR saying opinions are subjective and then explaining to the class how his opinion is the correct one.</quote> Strawman, I never said. In fact I literally went out of my way to talk about subjectivity: UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah this is just pure arrogance. New doesn't mean better Advanced and complicated doesn't mean better. CGI isn't better than hand-drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. Mo-Cap isn't better than drawn animation because it's newer and more complicated. This is total nonsense. And an absolutely pathetic attempt to bend over and claim TLOU2 is "Obectively good" and everyone who didn't agree with you is "Wrong" for not agreeing. That's crazy Especially considering I'd put money down now that there are a ton of films and games you would say are complete shit that on release were using new and advanced "techniques." It's just so so so so God damn dumb and such a childish way to view the world and differing opinions. You need to open your mind more dude. Gonna steal a Zero Puntuation quote here: "There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game, as you can tell from reading reviews." I think you should look up the word "objective", because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one My favorite game of all time is FFIX. I'm not losing any sleep over the millions of people who didn't like it nor am going to call them wrong for disagreeing nor am I going to handwave the MANY problems and criticisms with the game. It's not better than other games objectively because I like it and it's not better than the games of the 80s and 90s because it's newer. I just really liked it. That's life dude. Different strokes.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 02/07/21 6:02:14 PM #91:	I think a story came out from a young woman about how AJ used his influence to creep on her and make her feel cornered and uncomfortable, but iirc, some people were saying that there were some issues with her story, and I don't know what happened after that --- The means of production should belong to the collective unconscious <cite>g0ldie posted [p:950387973] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>I think a story came out from a young woman about how AJ used his influence to creep on her and make her feel cornered and uncomfortable, but iirc, some people were saying that there were some issues with her story, and I don't know what happened after that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 6:04:13 PM #92:	UnfairRepresent posted... As Joe said, what did TLOU2 bring to the table in terms of game mechanics that wasn't in TLOU1 or over a dozen other much better games? More forced walking sections? Longer loading times? Why do games have to bring anything new to the table? TLOU2 was an improvement on the first games mechanics in every way and continues Naughty Dog's history of being among the best looking games on a console in a given year. If FromSoft made 25 Bloodborne sequels with only graphical upgrades and new enemies/setting, I'd give all of them 10/10. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950388038] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>As Joe said, what did TLOU2 bring to the table in terms of game mechanics that wasn't in TLOU1 or over a dozen other much better games? More forced walking sections? Longer loading times?</quote>Why do games have to bring anything new to the table? TLOU2 was an improvement on the first games mechanics in every way and continues Naughty Dog's history of being among the best looking games on a console in a given year. If FromSoft made 25 Bloodborne sequels with only graphical upgrades and new enemies/setting, I'd give all of them 10/10. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 6:07:38 PM #93:	g0ldie posted... I think a story came out from a young woman about how AJ used his influence to creep on her and make her feel cornered and uncomfortable, but iirc, some people were saying that there were some issues with her story, and I don't know what happened after that She backtracked when she was caught lying. Said she never accused Joe of sexually assaulting her (Which is kind of wishy washy since while arguably hyperliterally true he did accuse her of being a creep sexually harrasing her and said things like "Hopefully other girls won't face the abuse I did due to my story!") and took back her claims. Basically all the details that can be verified were proven to be untrue. Like her having her phone taken away and not being allowed to leave, just flat out didn't happen. And other people at the event deny anything happened. Other Joe also claims to have been with Joe the entire time the girl was there and nothing happened (although obviously biased source is biased) The entire story seems DOA. It's he said she said when she is a confirmed liar who already backtracked. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950388160] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>g0ldie posted... </cite> <quote>I think a story came out from a young woman about how AJ used his influence to creep on her and make her feel cornered and uncomfortable, but iirc, some people were saying that there were some issues with her story, and I don't know what happened after that</quote>She backtracked when she was caught lying. Said she never accused Joe of sexually assaulting her (Which is kind of wishy washy since while arguably hyperliterally true he did accuse her of being a creep sexually harrasing her and said things like "Hopefully other girls won't face the abuse I did due to my story!") and took back her claims. Basically all the details that can be verified were proven to be untrue. Like her having her phone taken away and not being allowed to leave, just flat out didn't happen. And other people at the event deny anything happened. Other Joe also claims to have been with Joe the entire time the girl was there and nothing happened (although obviously biased source is biased) The entire story seems DOA. It's he said she said when she is a confirmed liar who already backtracked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 6:08:40 PM #94:	Just because I don't like something doesn't means it's bad. I can dislike something which is objectively good. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950388195] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>Just because I don't like something doesn't means it's bad. I can dislike something which is objectively good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 02/07/21 6:12:36 PM #95:	UnfairRepresent posted... She backtracked when she was caught lying. Said she never accused Joe of sexually assaulting her (Which is kind of wishy washy since while arguably hyperliterally true he did accuse her of being a creep sexually harrasing her and said things like "Hopefully other girls won't face the abuse I did due to my story!") and took back her claims. Basically all the details that can be verified were proven to be untrue. Like her having her phone taken away and not being allowed to leave, just flat out didn't happen. And other people at the event deny anything happened. Other Joe also claims to have been with Joe the entire time the girl was there and nothing happened (although obviously biased source is biased) The entire story seems DOA. It's he said she said when she is a confirmed liar who already backtracked. thanks. I just remember the initial story when someone posted it on this board, and AJ's response to it. --- The means of production should belong to the collective unconscious <cite>g0ldie posted [p:950388331] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>She backtracked when she was caught lying. Said she never accused Joe of sexually assaulting her (Which is kind of wishy washy since while arguably hyperliterally true he did accuse her of being a creep sexually harrasing her and said things like "Hopefully other girls won't face the abuse I did due to my story!") and took back her claims. Basically all the details that can be verified were proven to be untrue. Like her having her phone taken away and not being allowed to leave, just flat out didn't happen. And other people at the event deny anything happened. Other Joe also claims to have been with Joe the entire time the girl was there and nothing happened (although obviously biased source is biased) The entire story seems DOA. It's he said she said when she is a confirmed liar who already backtracked.</quote>thanks. I just remember the initial story when someone posted it on this board, and AJ's response to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 6:12:50 PM #96:	hockeybub89 posted... Why do games have to bring anything new to the table? TLOU2 was an improvement on the first games mechanics in every way and continues Naughty Dog's history of being among the best looking games on a console in a given year. If FromSoft made 25 Bloodborne sequels with only graphical upgrades and new enemies/setting, I'd give all of them 10/10. I notice a pattern with TLOU2. Every time some critizes it, they can give details and go into examples. Anytime someone defends it, they can't. They just go "It's good." "They did good things." "They improved it." In what way were the mechanics improved? Let alone every way? Anyway that aside, no you're right, a game doesn't have to innovate. It can be generic and dull and boring and just repeat the same tired shit over and over knowing there's always going to be an audience for mainstream claptrap. But as a gamer that kinda sucks. You want new ideas and new innovations, that's how games get better and more interesting. This is why TLOU2 is so generic and meh. It's hard to get excited about something that does nothing expect spin the wheels. Far Cry 3 was over a decade ago and had a better story, better characters, better gameplay, better loading times, more freedom. Since then Far Cry Primal, 4, 5, new Dawn and TLOU2 just do the same shit again but worse. Some people just watch the latest Hollywood superhero movie and love it every time. Some people watch lots of movies and like plot and characters and new ideas and things happening. Some people try different foods and drink and get bored if they eat the samething every day. Others eat 500 Wal-mart Microwave pizzas a year. It's just different kinds of people and different kinds of mindsets. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950388342] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do games have to bring anything new to the table? TLOU2 was an improvement on the first games mechanics in every way and continues Naughty Dog's history of being among the best looking games on a console in a given year. If FromSoft made 25 Bloodborne sequels with only graphical upgrades and new enemies/setting, I'd give all of them 10/10.</quote> I notice a pattern with TLOU2. Every time some critizes it, they can give details and go into examples. Anytime someone defends it, they can't. They just go "It's good." "They did good things." "They improved it." In what way were the mechanics improved? Let alone every way? Anyway that aside, no you're right, a game doesn't have to innovate. It can be generic and dull and boring and just repeat the same tired shit over and over knowing there's always going to be an audience for mainstream claptrap. But as a gamer that kinda sucks. You want new ideas and new innovations, that's how games get better and more interesting. This is why TLOU2 is so generic and meh. It's hard to get excited about something that does nothing expect spin the wheels. Far Cry 3 was over a decade ago and had a better story, better characters, better gameplay, better loading times, more freedom. Since then Far Cry Primal, 4, 5, new Dawn and TLOU2 just do the same shit again but worse. Some people just watch the latest Hollywood superhero movie and love it every time. Some people watch lots of movies and like plot and characters and new ideas and things happening. Some people try different foods and drink and get bored if they eat the samething every day. Others eat 500 Wal-mart Microwave pizzas a year. It's just different kinds of people and different kinds of mindsets. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 6:15:09 PM #97:	hockeybub89 posted... Just because I don't like something doesn't means it's bad. I can dislike something which is objectively good. There is no such thing as objectively good or bad. It's all subjective. It's all opinion. You're confusing objectivity with popularity. . A loading screen that takes 14 seconds is objectively less loading than one that takes 44 Whether or you liked Jesse the dymanic and facinating mutifasceted character that he was who makes you ask deep and probing questions about yourself as a person... Is subjective. I hate this whole "This opinion is an objective fact because it's mine!" thing. It's so childish, close minded and arrogant --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950388436] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Just because I don't like something doesn't means it's bad. I can dislike something which is objectively good.</quote>There is no such thing as objectively good or bad. It's all subjective. It's all opinion. You're confusing objectivity with popularity. . A loading screen that takes 14 seconds is objectively less loading than one that takes 44 Whether or you liked Jesse the dymanic and facinating mutifasceted character that he was who makes you ask deep and probing questions about yourself as a person... Is subjective. I hate this whole "This opinion is an objective fact because it's mine!" thing. It's so childish, close minded and arrogant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 6:25:18 PM #98:	UnfairRepresent posted... I notice a pattern with TLOU2. Every time some critizes it, they can give details and go into examples. Anytime someone defends it, they can't. They just go "It's good." "They did good things." "They improved it." In what way were the mechanics improved? Let alone every way? Anyway that aside, no you're right, a game doesn't have to innovate. It can be generic and dull and boring and just repeat the same tired shit over and over knowing there's always going to be an audience for mainstream claptrap. But as a gamer that kinda sucks. You want new ideas and new innovations, that's how games get better and more interesting. This is why TLOU2 is so generic and meh. It's hard to get excited about something that does nothing expect spin the wheels. Far Cry 3 was over a decade ago and had a better story, better characters, better gameplay, better loading times, more freedom. Some people just watch the latest Hollywood superhero movie and love it every time. Some people watch lots of movies and like plot and characters and new ideas and things happening. Some people try different foods and drink and get bored if they eat the samething every day. Others eat 500 Wal-mart Microwave pizzas a year. It's just different kinds of people and different kinds of mindsets. The Last of Us 1 did nothing new and people like Angry Joe sang an entirely different tune. Innovation basically died a long time ago and that's okay. Everything has pretty much already been done before. Name a single critically acclaimed or UnfairRepresent-acclaimed piece of media of the past 15 years and I can guarantee you it wasn't innovative. Humanity was going to run out of ideas eventually. We've been making video games for 50+ years and writing stories for thousands. You're still throwing around a lot of subjective words and framing things in a way to make it sound like truth. "Some people just like boring, awful shit and applaud whatever they are told to like, while others prefer to think and experience new things." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950388823] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I notice a pattern with TLOU2. Every time some critizes it, they can give details and go into examples. Anytime someone defends it, they can't. They just go "It's good." "They did good things." "They improved it." In what way were the mechanics improved? Let alone every way? Anyway that aside, no you're right, a game doesn't have to innovate. It can be generic and dull and boring and just repeat the same tired shit over and over knowing there's always going to be an audience for mainstream claptrap. But as a gamer that kinda sucks. You want new ideas and new innovations, that's how games get better and more interesting. This is why TLOU2 is so generic and meh. It's hard to get excited about something that does nothing expect spin the wheels. Far Cry 3 was over a decade ago and had a better story, better characters, better gameplay, better loading times, more freedom. Some people just watch the latest Hollywood superhero movie and love it every time. Some people watch lots of movies and like plot and characters and new ideas and things happening. Some people try different foods and drink and get bored if they eat the samething every day. Others eat 500 Wal-mart Microwave pizzas a year. It's just different kinds of people and different kinds of mindsets.</quote>The Last of Us 1 did nothing new and people like Angry Joe sang an entirely different tune. Innovation basically died a long time ago and that's okay. Everything has pretty much already been done before. Name a single critically acclaimed or UnfairRepresent-acclaimed piece of media of the past 15 years and I can guarantee you it wasn't innovative. Humanity was going to run out of ideas eventually. We've been making video games for 50+ years and writing stories for thousands. You're still throwing around a lot of subjective words and framing things in a way to make it sound like truth. "Some people just like boring, awful shit and applaud whatever they are told to like, while others prefer to think and experience new things." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unite 02/07/21 6:32:25 PM #99:	The last of us 2 uses the LGBT community as a shield to make it immune from criticism. Any shade thrown towards this game is seen as bigotry. Neil was smart in that way making it so he and fans of this game would have moral high ground. <cite>Unite posted [p:950389103] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>The last of us 2 uses the LGBT community as a shield to make it immune from criticism. Any shade thrown towards this game is seen as bigotry. Neil was smart in that way making it so he and fans of this game would have moral high ground. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/07/21 6:35:50 PM #100:	UnfairRepresent posted... There is no such thing as objectively good or bad. It's all subjective. It's all opinion. You're confusing objectivity with popularity. . A loading screen that takes 14 seconds is objectively less loading than one that takes 44 Whether or you liked Jesse the dymanic and facinating mutifasceted character that he was who makes you ask deep and probing questions about yourself as a person... Is subjective. I hate this whole "This opinion is an objective fact because it's mine!" thing. It's so childish, close minded and arrogant No, I'm actually saying the facts don't care about my feelings or yours. Deadly Premonition is an objectively bad video game that I like. Civilization IV is an objectively good game that I do not like. There are objective qualities and subjective qualities. Otherwise, you're saying the only difference between The Room and a Kubrick film is popular opinion. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:950389239] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>There is no such thing as objectively good or bad. It's all subjective. It's all opinion. You're confusing objectivity with popularity. . A loading screen that takes 14 seconds is objectively less loading than one that takes 44 Whether or you liked Jesse the dymanic and facinating mutifasceted character that he was who makes you ask deep and probing questions about yourself as a person... Is subjective. I hate this whole "This opinion is an objective fact because it's mine!" thing. It's so childish, close minded and arrogant</quote>No, I'm actually saying the facts don't care about my feelings or yours. Deadly Premonition is an objectively bad video game that I like. Civilization IV is an objectively good game that I do not like. There are objective qualities and subjective qualities. Otherwise, you're saying the only difference between The Room and a Kubrick film is popular opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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