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Looks like 2/3rds of CE approve

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I don't believe the staff called him a Karen but mucho respect if they actually did

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Oh. Metro Redux Last Light does it too with Pavel.

Who as I said earlier was a great character.

Although they don't switch up the gameplay at all.

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"It doesn't count!"

k...

Sure if you don't count al the other games that already did the same stuff spanning over 20 years then it was very innovative I guess.

Also cars are a really cool brand new invention if you ignore the past 140 years.

I guess that's where we differ. I just accept things that are true.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Oh god. People, we are in serious trouble. The damage Trump started is continuing to grow even without him.

Trump didn't start any of this shit

He's a sympton. Not a small sympton but still a sympton of the problem where you tell people "Reality doesn't matter, believe whatever you want"

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lww99 posted...

@UnfairRepresent

just thought about the innovative comment

cant think of many games where you play as protagonist and antagonist. Not even sure which is which anymore lol

Off the top of my head:

Eternal Darkness
Shadow of the Colossus
KOTOR
Medal of Honor Warfighter
No Way Out
FF7
Debatably GTA5
Get Even
Dragon Age Origins
Mortal Kombat VS DC/MK9/10/11
If you count across games Baldurs gate 1/2 and Mafia 1/2

Every RTS and Tournament fighter ever made.

I might be with ya if the they actually innovated the gameplay at all. But "The game switched perspective at one point" isn't an innovation. It's quite common.

I mean Shadow of the Colossus is 16 years old. Had like 3 cutscenes with dialogue in the entire game and only like 5 characters, one of which is a horse and they managed to pull of a deeper story than TLOU2 and let you switch perspective to the "Antagonist" who arguable isn't even evil AND changed up the gameplay style for something that works thematically and as inverse for the general gamplay of the game (Which was groundbreaking gameplay at the time)

Man that was such a good game for the industry as a whole.

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"It isn't our place to judge what she said" is like the worst take you can have on an elected official.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

They never played the game. TLOU2 is one of the greatest games released in this day and age.

I played the game. IT was completely mediocre and generic

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CanuckCowboy posted...

What kinda dick actually cares? See above.

Ms Pierre-Brissot and her social circle

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I'll be shocked if Dems don't back down

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IronWolf87 posted...

How did I get a gf?

Covid made her desperate

How am I having sex?

With your dick

Since when did I not live behind the dumpster at Taco Bell?

Maybe you do.

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Yazarogi posted...

Darmik has taken the better approach and refuted everything youve said about it.

No he hasn't.

Darmik posted...

Yeah indie and low budget games tend to be a bit more unique due to their lower budgets. If you only want innovation or uniqueness out of games stay away from AAA.

The rest of your point is typical drivel that isn't worth responding to.

That was Darmik's "refute"

"I'm not going to respond to any of those points and other games are dull too so it's not fair to call this one dull"

GGOA did the same thing too.

None of you can actually respond to even the most basic questions about the game.

But at least you admit you're acting like a dumb fanboy.

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God damn Jasper is a dick too

Half the cast of this show are just assholes

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A PAIR of twin girls has been hailed a "medical sensation" after being born more than three months apart.
The non-identical sisters have such a big birth gap that they were actually born in different years.

Mum Oxana went into labour initially at just 26 weeks pregnant and gave birth to Liana prematurely on November 17, 2018. She weighed just 2lbs. Three months later, she finally gave birth to Leonie - four days after her initial due date.

A spokeswoman for Holweide hospital in Cologne said: "After the birth of the first twin, the cervix closed again and the unborn sister could remain in the womb."

As contractions ceased, doctors decided that Oxana could carry her second baby girl to term. Maternity chief Dr Uwe Schellenberger said: "The conditions were very good as well due to the existing second placenta and we wanted to try to let the second child mature as long as possible in the womb."

Leonie was born a total of 97 days difference with her twin sister Liana and was born weighing 8.1lbs.
Dr Schellenberger said: "It's also a rare case for our maternity clinic, but it was not the first time that twins were born on different days at the Holweide hospital.

"But the time difference of 97 days is unique for us and also special worldwide."

According to the hospital, the girls may have broken a world record.

"Such a 'two-time twin birth' is very rare worldwide," the spokeswoman explained. "According to our own research, twins with a time difference of 87 days were born in Ireland in 2012."

Liana spent her first few weeks in a neonatal care unit at the hospital where she stayed until she was strong enough to go home.

Both girls now weigh around 12.5lbs and have developed well.

The spokeswoman said that they've both been reunited at their family home and are set to grow up healthy. Last year, we reported the story of Vicky Green, who made history at the time by having twins 12 days apart/. Her babies hold the record for twins born the longest time apart in England.

Full Article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/8882735/twins-born-97-days-apart/



Dat's crazy

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

She must have some old money

Do you mean literally? Or that she's rich?


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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

This isn't a defence

Get used to it

The defenses so far are:

1. Anypoint made is not "valid" for reasons I can't explain
2. "Another game did that too."

That's it. v_V

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ghostblob posted...

It's better than Oblivion

I prefer the guild questlines in Oblivion

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garan posted...

I enjoyed the immense world I could explore, but I hate the combat in ES games. 7/10, not a great game to me.

Stealthy Archery is great

Everything else is a mess

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PaunchyTurtle53 posted...

I enjoyed all three games, but for the love of God play them in order.

I think it doesn't really matter when you play Exodus since it kinda...

Well I can't say without spoiling.

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Darmik posted...

It's not identical to every game ever though. Feel free to get gifs of Mafia and Metro that look as impressive as the one posted earlier. I've played Metro Exodus and it's nowhere near as dynamic as TLOU2.

Try Metro Last Light. It's less janky than Exodus

And you've switched horses. "it's less dynamic" is absolutely unquantifable and a lazy evasion of the gameplay being the same.

Darmik posted...

Yeah indie and low budget games tend to be a bit more unique due to their lower budgets. If you only want innovation or uniqueness out of games stay away from AAA.

This is a weak ass defense. "Yeah it's generic, boring and bland but that's absolutely fine because it's Triple A"

Why does being Triple A give you a pass to being lazy and dull and generic as a criticism?

Hell you've switched horses. This started out as people claiming the gameplay was unique. Now you're admitting it's generic and dull but claiming it has no choice. Which isn't true.

The rest of your point is typical drivel that isn't worth responding to.

"I have no counter argument so I will insult you and run away"

Uhuh. Funny how none of the people making basic criticisms have to do that but all the people who claim to love the game do

You still haven't even said what you want the Ellie and Abby playstyles to be. There's a difference between whining and constructive criticism. Try the latter and you'll have more content worth responding to. See? I am making some constructive criticism.

The only content you're ignoring are the points you can't counter and it's obvious as fuck. Covering it with insults just makes you look childish.

You've turned the entire discussion about TLOU2 into a singlular point about it's dull combat and even then your "defense" is " some other games are dull too."

Which is silly.

You just can't retort even the most basic criticisms.

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You can play it without playing the first 2 games since it kinda pisses on them and ignores them (at least in narrative)

It's got some fantastic character moments. But its plot is a mess and the gameplay is janky as hell. It's just not polished.

I'd say play Metro 2033 and Last Light first, then play Exodus if you enjoyed those.

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Gamerguymass posted...

I don't give a shit if a bunch of stuck up rich people with overinflated egos get their panties in a twist if I use the wrong fork.

Do you give a shit about how you're making your daughter and her fiancee look?

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I hear Spiritfarer is good

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Darmik posted...

You haven't actually said what you think it should be at all. Just that it's bad and generic they are the same because uhh,,,?

There's no ideas or innovation at all? It's just identical to every other game ever?

I was playing Primal from 2003 the other day and they made a concerted effort to make Jen and Scree play differently. That's 18 years old. The guy who voiced Scree is dead.

Darmik posted...

So what were the innovative games from last year that you like again?

I only played about a dozen games that came out last year and most of them were re-releases. Hell part of the problem is that the combat/stealth played exactly the same as Mafia 3 and Metro Redux.

At least Metro had the Gas Mask mechanic. They tried something, albeit not much.

I dunno why you think this is a defense of TLOU2 being bland tho.

Obra Dinn from 2019 is probably the most recent innovative game I can think of that I played. And that was largely 1 guy had more creativity and better character writing than the hundreds of millions of dollars that went into TLOU2 just to do same old same old.

Going back to my older point I can imagine Pavel and Kahn having a conversation about something that has nothing to do with the plot in Metro.

Can you imagine Jesse and Pregnant lady doing the same?
Or Ellie's girlfriend and Manny?

They only exist to fill spots on a trope checklist.

Fuck Pavel could run rings around anyone in The Last of US 1 or 2 in personality and he had like 20 minutes screen time

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Darmik posted...

So do Ellie and Abby

Cool

I played Stealth so I didn't notice a thing.

Darmik posted...

I just don't see the game being more innovative if Ellie played like a stealth game and Abby played like a brawler. Just doesn't seem like a good fit. Doesn't really fit the world of TLOU either when everyone fights dirty regardless of their strength.

Strawman, I never said one had to a stealth and one had to a brawler.

I just said they didn't even bother to do anything other than the generic. Which is true.

There was 0 innovation. They didn't care because they knew their target audience didn't care.

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SkittyOnWailord posted...

I know about having to eat with certain silverware in the correct order. I would look it up before going to such a high-end dinner, so that wouldn't happen. Other than that, I have no problem here.

That just makes you using the wrong fork even worse.

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Darmik posted...

Do you complain that Leon and Claire play the same in RE2?

I wish they did a little but at least they have different weapons.

Also not a fair comparison since the RE1 and 2 the different characters were designed for replay value.

I don't think characters need to drastically play different. The game is the game.

They don't "need" to.

But it's a shame they don't and just goes towards the game being generic.

You're being kinda ridiclous here. You took 1 of the many complaints about TLOU2 which is "The gameplay is incredibly generic"

Took one of the facets of that complaint "Everyone plays the same with no difference to who they are."

And then go "Well another game did that, therefore it's fine and all criticisms are wrong"

Which is crae.

It's still bland and generic

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Darmik posted...

Melee combat as well. Also the general animations of the character.

Which basically covers everything where it would be relevant.

Except gameplay.

You know the thing we're talking about. Abby and Ellie gameplay was identical. Same as TLOU2 and every other game with the same deal

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Darmik posted...

I think he means she plays the same. But even then they give her a knife and her kills and animations do indeed reflect her size.

I actually liked that touch. But its exclusive to takedown moves

Guess he wants a different gameplay style with her or something

Would have been nice.

But the game was just full on generic gameplay. The TLOU1 DLC did the same thing.

but it's Unfair. He likes to whine and get into arguments over his whining.

"I have no counter so I will insult you."

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TheShadowViper posted...

Literally an idiot plot.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotPlot

Agreed

lww99 posted...

definitely! I enjoyed this one more than Ellies.

MGS always did well with them too

The End was such a fun idea for a boss fight.

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Manny was my fave character

Well 2nd to the dog.

He was the only character in the game who wasn't an inconsistent idiot.

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Total_Lost2 posted...

Just curious as I couldn't really remember it being spelled out in the previous posts (and zoned out in regards to the CP2077 discussion) basically repeating that it is dull, bland and generic: in what way? I saw the references to other games, but is it just that it isn't innovative in it's combat or is there something else?

It's kinda all of it.

Same old combat, same old stealth, same old crafting, same old weapons, same old enemy AI, same old See through walls vision, same old take downs.

No new game mechanics, no reference to Ellie being a little girl, she plays the same as large male trained mercs from other games.

That's the dull bland, generic. It's just what we've done in other games again. And if you've played other games it's so familar and easy and plain.

Fry Cry 3 is 8 years old and was more innovative, Deus Ex HR is 9 years old and more innovative.

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Your daughter tells you that she has gotten engaged and her fiancee is Ms Pierre-Brissot, the CEO of Terragrigia Corp. You've never met her but you know of her, she's worth over 864 million dollars. With businsess interests all over the globe. You also know she's 15 years older than your daughter.

You finally get to meet her after you're invited to a dinner full of various rich, influentional and respected businsessmen. You look around and the clothes alone that the influentional men and women are wearing are worth more than your home. They all loudly boast about their exploits and bemoan the minor inconviences in life that they hate as food is brought to the table.

You grab a fork and tuck in. The food is delicious but suddenly everyone turns and looks at you like you have slugs crawling out of your nose.

Ms Pierre-Brissot says a curt "Excuse me." and leaves the room. That's the first and so far only thing she's ever said to you.

"Dad... You just started eating with a dessert fork, not a lunch fork. Come on, everything you do here reflects on me." Your daughter says under her breath, looking downcast.

You find it hard to believe she's in this relationship for any reason other than that juicy succulent bank account that's only a few months away from becoming a joint one.



How do you react?
What do you do?

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Darmik posted...

There hasn't been an innovative AAA game in almost a decade now. Pretty much all of them build and refine on what's popular or combine take things from other games and combine them in a new way.

It's not even really a criticism. TLOU2 did not market itself as a new innovation. It marketed itself as an intense cinematic shooter. Which it is.

This is such a lame defense

"IT doesn't matter that it's dull bland and generic because it didn't market itself on not being dull bland and generic."

Not only do I disagree, this entire rabbit hole stemmed from a guy claiming it's combat was unique and innovative, so you're just disagreeing with that.

I also think "Well other games didn't bother isn't" isn't a rebuttal of a game being dull, bland and generic.

It's just same old shit with 0 new ideas.

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Yazarogi posted...

I mean, if you had valid criticism

What makes a criticism valid? Especially considering you're ignoring all of them.

instead of something that boils down to an opinion with something that could apply to any of the games you've already mentioned it wouldn't be a problem.

You sure could. And if we were talking about those games that might be a relevant point.

But the point here was that were discussing that the combat gameplay is generic as hell. You denied it but couldn't explain how it was different. Now you're arguing "Well if it's generic here it's generic in those games too." And it is.

Some of those games get away with it due to new Mechanics like Deus Ex
Others get away with it due to being so old that it was fresher at the time, like Far Cry.
Others get away with it because the game isn't a slog and doesn't take itself seriously.

And others don't get away with it at all and are equally as dull and generic in terms of combat. What's your point?

Instead you're just lying about the game

What did I say that was a lie?

you keep saying this and not backing it up.

and talking about it as if it's a fact the game is bland, or that it's not mature, or that the characterization isn't good.

I never denied that it was an opinion but I've given a lot of details and examples to back that up. Meanwhile your camp cannot do the same.

Which says it all to me.

Battlefield Earth being a bad movie isn't a "fact" either but we're capable of understanding reality.

You can think that but it wouldn't hold true for me. I can think it's a masterpiece and it doesn't hold true for you. I haven't tried to say you HAVE to like the game,

No one said you're not allowed to like the game dude. In fact my very first post in the topic was saying it's good if you did.

I just want the criticism to be valid. You haven't said one thing that points to that so that's why we're still here going around in stupid ass circles.

What does this even mean? I've pointed out tons of examples of boring game design, lazy enviroments, bland uninteresting characters, lazy tropes for the sake of tropes, padding, poorly explored themes, nonsensical decisions, pacing issues, no new ideas/game mechanics and given examples for all of them

You've ignored every single one, ignored every question and just gone "It's not valid." without explanation.

In fact the only one who has lied is you when you said the gameplay is unique and then 5 seconds later couldn't back up and swiveled to "Well if it's generic here, it's generic in other games too!"

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Yazarogi posted...

The game is a masterpiece. You don't think so, but don't try to tell me how I feel about it. That's pretty fucked up for you to do.

No one did that

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

This conversation with Yazarogi encapsulates everything frustrating about the fans of this game.

Yup.

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I should point out for the record that I didn't see any of the marketing for the game and really don't care much about it.

I never really look at any marketing for video games or films. They often spoil shit and even when they don't they (For me) don't really excite me as much as just remind me the thing exists.

I care about the final product.

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Yazarogi posted...

No you didn't provide any examples that proved any point you were trying to make that couldn't be considered an opinion

Wut? Yes I did.

The game mechanics example is objective. Not an opinion.

The Augmentations in Deus Ex, the wilfelife that you can manipulate/Alarm system in Far Cry 3. Inserted to spice up the generic gameplay. TLOU2 didn't have any new gimmick to bring to the table

That's not an opinion.

Yazarogi posted...

and the game isn't bland. The game has great characterization and explores themes in a mature and amazing way.

And yet niether yourself nor anyone who holds this opinion can elaborate on it whatsoever and all run away from and evade even the most basic and simple questions about the plot or characters or comparisons to other, far far far far superior media.

I challenged you earlier to not say things are fleshed out unless you can explain what you mean when you say that. And you can't do it.

I don't think there is anything to be embarrased about by liking bland dull media, But I do think it's embarrasing to pretend that you don't and take it personally when questioned.

It's like when Harry Potter fans claim it's not a childrens book.

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Yeah you evaded all points and questions directed at you in an extremely childish way.

Everything I've said has been detailed with direct examples and explanations for why. All you can do when asked direct questions about the weak writing and generic game play/characters is say "no" and run off.

Just like a second ago you argued the combat gameplay was fleshed out and unique. Yet you cannot explain a single detail about it that was unique or different. While at the same time you dismiss the other games that have the exact same combat except they at least tried a new mechanic or two and kept the gameplay consistent to the player character.

Ellie being a little girl is not reflected in the gameplay because it's copy-pasted from other games with nothing new. The AI is braindead because it's copy-pasted from other games with nothing new. The Enviroments often make little sense because they are copy-pasted from other games with nothing new.

It's just bleh.

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Yazarogi posted...

Having played all those games you listed, not one of them had combat as fleshed out as TLoU2.

I'm going to challenge you from now on that any time you say something about TLOU2 is "Fleshed Out" you actually have to explain how and in what way it is.

You keep just saying stuff but not really making a point.

I really want to know, who played this game and whose just shitting on it based on watching youtube videos.

I played it and the only youtube videos I saw where the ones of that guy going ham as Ellie killing everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meseu276SSs

The game is bland.

Also, a certain user in this thread is definitely being a hypocritical jack ass and homophobic as fuck as well as racist. Saying that based off their own statements so it's not just a "YOUR RACIST" response just because, its their OWN words that have solidified that argument for me.

Also "no u" isn't an argument.

Hope that's not directed at me

Mentioning all those games as if they do anything better then TLoU doesn't make it so, coming from a person who played a majority of those games to completion I simply disagree with the statement.

I think you're kinda missing my point.

They do the exact same thing. Whether or not it's better is neither here nor there if it's been done to death. The Orphans in Oliver didn't argue over who got the best gruel.

That being said, Deus Ex was way better. So much more open ended and actually had innovations based on your augments and loadout.

It managed to give you the literal ability to turn invisible and silence your footsteps without making it OP.

Far Cry 3 introuced the Animals as hazards and had the whole Alarm system, operating more EXP (and challenge) for a silenced outpost takeover vs taking out the alarms vs guns blazing. Last of Us 2 had nothing like that, it brought nothing to the table. There wasn't a single new game mechanic or gameplay innovation. Ellie controls exactly the same as a 240 pound 6 foot 5 expert survivalist with military training and raw power.

Because that's how every other game operates.

its pretty pointless to continue the conversation because you'll continue to lie and provide weak examples that don't actually prove your point. It's pointless to continue this conversation because certain homophobic racists have decided what they wanted to feel about the game. Have a good day.

What did I lie about?

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I kinda agree with him on the trans thing.

The social commentary there was awful.

Yazarogi posted...

I think art is subjective and this game wasn't your cup of tea. The gameplay isn't basic, you'd be hard pressed to find a game that has combat as good as this one. The sheer number of ways you can kill, use the environment to your advantage, etc. is amazing. The stealth is and prone mechanics is awesome. Nook and crannies you can crawl through to ambush enemies or if you want to go rambo (barring specific segments) you can.

You're kidding right? Putting aside the original game. Look at Horizon Zero Dawn, Every Far Cry Game, Deus Ex HR/MD, MGS5, Mafia 3, Ass Creed, Dishonored.

The whole "Stealth, craft, shoot, preanimated backstab" gameplay thing is old hat. It's generic as hell. And this brought NOTHING new to the table. Everying you just listed is in dozen of other games, some over a decade old. Meanwhile the problems are the same. The AI is braindead and easy as fuck to break, there's no clever innovations or things to shake it up.

I agree that it's fine. It's "that generic combat you've seen a thousand times" done well. But it's still generic and dull and if you're even slightly good at video games, ridiclously easy because you've done it before.

There are flash backs which aren't filled with depressing, hateful, revenge messages. and poignant moments between characters before shit pops off.

Yeah? And?

They're all bland as hell, just there to move into the next trope and absolutely kill replay value.

It covers pretty much every spectrum of emotion at least once during the game,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VtGaMrkhYM

while it does focus on revenge. If you say a game like TLoU2 is bland simply because of the theme there is a whole genre of work with amazing works like The Count of Monte Cristo that you'd have to hate as well.

This is such a dumb argument on more than one front.

1. No one said the game was bland "simply because of the theme of revenge"
2. And something with a theme of revenge could be good or bad depending on quality.

The Count of Monte Cristo is a classic because it's a wonderful story with deep characters. As I challenged earlier there isn't a single pair of character in TLOU2 you can imagine having a conversation about anything other than the plot of the game, that's all they exist for.

The characters are sufficiently fleshed out,

Couldn't disagree further

Also comparing it to UP is laughable, as the first game never presented itself as a happy go lucky cheery thing and neither did the sequel.

I never said they did? What kind of counter is that? I said maturity has nothing to do with morbid actions. UP was used as example of something way more mature than TLOU2 despite having nothing that bad in it.... Except they kinda murder Muntz I guess. Which is the weakest part of the film.

God damn, how can you say that's bland and unoriginal?

For all the reasons I've stated through out the topic?
Christ GOD3 did that better with an actual character arc and that game was a goof

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I'd go Silent Hill 2 all the way. In fact it's my favorite horror game of all time

SH4 had a decent story and I reccomend watching a let's play of it, but as a game it is AWFUL.

It's the only SH (of the main 8) I'd say is a bad game.

Unkilling enemies that hound you in a game about atmosphere and exploration.
Really terrible limited inventory
Really terrible save system
All to make you keep going back to the room which is a slog
Tons of backtracking
Escort quest, the success of which effects the ending.

It's like a checklist of bad game design 101. Just needs unskippable cutscenes and a water level

Walter is a good character and the game isn't without its moments. But it's just a bad video game.

IT was never originally supposed to be a Silent Hill game and it shows
And you can see why the series left Japan the moment it was finished. They were out of juice.

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xXfireglzXx posted...

, but why is it so difficult to accept that a story is more or less nuanced depending on the background of the individual playing it?

I wouldn't deny that but I would say it's a weak defense of a product

I'm reminded of someone who argued Silent Hill 4 is the best game in the series if you live in a tiny apartment that you hate.

That may be true for that person but I still think that's not a defense of SH4's giant flaws

Battlefield Earth isn't a good movie if you relate to it.

xXfireglzXx posted...

it just feels nutso to take something as reasonable as a dissenting opinion regarding something as divisive as TLOU2 and use it as some sort of condemnation of their character.

I agree with this 100%

People who take disagreements on media as personal attacks are weird

in the top 10 topic GGOA running in and screaming that everyone is stupid just was so bizarre and silly

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Zikten posted...

If I was relying on her to keep me safe and that's where she said we need to go, then so be it. In a zombie apocalypse I'd stick with the heroes so I don't die, wherever they go

Well I kinda meant what if it was like.

Claire: "We need to split up. Barry you take the luxury hotel, I'll take the sewer"

Would you still go with Claire?

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Yazarogi posted...

But this is what AsucaHayashi seems to be saying... like the whole game is pandering to that specific trait. It's dumb.

He's arguing that the gay and trans characters are there to score brownie points for progressives and have no real bearing on the plot or themes of the game

And that the marketing focusing on them demonstrates that

He's probably not wrong TBH but that's not what makes the game bland

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xXfireglzXx posted...

This whole "How can anyone hate X" or "How can anybody not like X" shit needs to stop. People are not a monolith. Just accept(or ignore) dissenters and move on.

Or better yet. Disney's Recess is on Netflix. Go find the episode where TJ is freaking out because someone doesn't like him and see if there's a moral that you can take to heart.

I dunno.

I think there is value In talking to people who disagree with you and learning other perspectives or things you didnt notice yourself

"Just ignore everyone and run away" sounds like a ticket to a dull life and doing a huge favor for cult-religious Indoctrination to me

I'm sure a lot of MAGA guys followed that advice

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Yazarogi posted...

https://youtu.be/S1EqciwkyJU
FUCK THIS GAME PUSHING A STRAIGHT AGENDA

do you realize how fucking stupid you sound now?

Ehhh this is unfair

Days Gone has an entire plot that revolves around Deacon's wife and inability to come to terms with her probable death

Putting there relationship in the trailer is super relevant to the games plot

And I'm on your side BTW, who cares if Ellie is a breast girl? It's a dumb thing to be mad about. Doesn't stop her being bland

But Days Gone is not a good comparison

Would only be comparable if the plot of TLOU2 was Ellie looking for her girlfriend

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